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I understand that in it's current state it is a beta with only abut 8 hours of work in it. However, it's not very good. 2 of the 3 questions I asked it came back with "Fine, fine, I quit." and "I'm emailing you my resignation." after waiting for about 5 minutes each. The one question it responded to was, "How's the weather looking today?" to which it gave me the local weather for Baltimore... I live in Florida. GPS was enabled but it didn't even try to use it. It also took about 5 minutes for it to respond to that question as well.
Pretty fail at the moment.

Androidsims said:
I understand that in it's current state it is a beta with only abut 8 hours of work in it. However, it's not very good. 2 of the 3 questions I asked it came back with "Fine, fine, I quit." and "I'm emailing you my resignation." after waiting for about 5 minutes each. The one question it responded to was, "How's the weather looking today?" to which it gave me the local weather for Baltimore... I live in Florida. GPS was enabled but it didn't even try to use it. It also took about 5 minutes for it to respond to that question as well.
Pretty fail at the moment.
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I know I just love how I phones are loosing their pull. Im just amazed on how adaptive android can be due to its community
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its really good, for only 8 hours of work. Although it is kind of slow, but the answers seemed to work for me

Search "voice actions" on market
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Androidsims said:
I understand that in it's current state it is a beta with only abut 8 hours of work in it. However, it's not very good. 2 of the 3 questions I asked it came back with "Fine, fine, I quit." and "I'm emailing you my resignation." after waiting for about 5 minutes each. The one question it responded to was, "How's the weather looking today?" to which it gave me the local weather for Baltimore... I live in Florida. GPS was enabled but it didn't even try to use it. It also took about 5 minutes for it to respond to that question as well.
Pretty fail at the moment.
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Lol im in baltimore and i asked the weather and waited 5 minutes and got nothing. You must have got my answer.
I understand this is not complete yet but I have to say I am dissapoint.
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I'm sure it would provide the weather even if you said "I don't want to know the weather today."

This app is so ****ing worthless its not even funny. I gave it a thourough testing and it was 0/20. Not one right answer, not even close. It knows what you said exactly though which is weird.
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I think this whole concept is a stupid gimmicky worthless waste of time altogether, just designed to be a "Look what I can do!" advertisement.
I mean when you're on a bus or train, sitting in a restaurant, waiting at the barber/salon for a haircut, standing in line at the DMV or the Post Office or whatever, are you really going to start conversing with your phone like a weirdo and have everyone staring at you like you sprouted a second head?
It's not another person, it's not your best buddy (and if it is you have even more serious social problems than I do). It's a PHONE. Use your fingers to push the many buttons and poke the touch-screen. Jesus.
But, even if it's more-or-less useless, I guess I can see why it's important for Android to have the same big shingy bells and whistle that the iPhone does, for the sake of publicity and bragging rights.

im pretty sure the download i had said 'beta'. obviously its a ways behind Siri, but i think it has excellent potential. the voice recognition does well, but results are ridiculous. hell if it googled your voice command it would be able to tell you more. i would love an app that could tell me whatever i wanted to know while i was driving. i use the voice commands all the time. i text ALOT by voice. sometimes its more convenient when im doing somethin. if i could hit iris and tell it to move my 430 meeting to tomorrow, that would be the bees knees. i think u could sell it and make a pretty penny too. that being said, i think it would be hard for an android app to be that integrated into so many different devices. ONLY the 4S is capable of Siri (atm). Maybe if Googorola developed it, either or. Its absolutely possible and we do have some genuis people developing for android.

I am a bit suprised that this new app is being slated as the Siri Killer when Android has a few apps that both predate Siri and are more advanced.
Speaktoit is the one that I like myself but there are a few on the market.
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I think siri is just a jimmick. A voice recognition app isn't a reason to buy a phone. If that's your main selling point, you've got nothing. Just my 2 cents
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Endoroid said:
I think siri is just a jimmick. A voice recognition app isn't a reason to buy a phone. If that's your main selling point, you've got nothing. Just my 2 cents
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This is true, the problem is that iSheep are raving about it like, "lol i asked siri if she was gay my phone is better then some crap android"
I can honestly say, I thought it was cool at first as my girl has a 4S. But it's pretty useless honestly and google voice search does the same thing, better. You just can't ask Android a question, you have to say your search 9 times out of 10 which is fine...

1-star-reviews are bloody frustrating

ARGH!
It is so frustrating to code for Android, if people rate apps bad because they don't read the bloody description!
For example, I have an app that mutes the media volume (and does not do anything else!) and somebody complaints that my app doesn't do anything then showing the android volume popup.
Or people rate the medium version of Hack me if you can bad, because they can't solve it.
I guess most of them don't know, that 1-star reviews are really bad for us developers. And if it is a paid app, that also means less income!
But they don't think about it and just do it with one click.
I do understand, that the 1-star option is a must, especially if an app is not working and the developer doesn't response (I mean, that is why we enter an email address!), it is totally okay to give such a bad review.
But most people don't think about it. Best example is the WiiRemote Controller by ccp creations - either people complain that is not working on their phone (because the manufactor removed the functionallity) or because no Wii Games are included. I mean, WTF?
Sorry for spamming, but I think I am not the only one who is frustrated by that. Leave a comment if you want to

The ones I hate are the ones who ding an app because of "no apps to SD"...even if the bloody app is like 2Mb in size...a whole 2MB!!!
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And if your app uses widgets, you simply can't move it to the SD - but you're right, I have seen a lot of these, too....

hmm.. not true, there are many widgets that works even when they are on SD
i got many of them running
To name a few Learn from Go Team, they have a lot of widgets that runs fine even when the App is installed on SD

An app that does nothing but mute volume is a waste of space and deserves a 1 star review IMO.
The Android market has enough junk in it and developers don't seem to care. That's why users barely pay attention anymore. Everyone assumes the worse.
I only have two ratings I use. 1 star and 5 star. Ive yet to meet this mythical flawless app. Paid apps tend to be buggier and less supported than free apps on android and WP7, actually, so people are much harsher towards them.
And do you serious expect me or anyone to hold a rating for an email response? Did you email those users and wait for responses from them before posting this topic?
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@AllGamer: Do you know how to achieve that? Because according to the Developer Guide this is not possible.
@N8ter: If you think it is a waste of space, well don't download it and don't rate it. For other people it is useful, in this case it mutes the media volume, which is normally not muted. So eg. you're sitting in a bus and don't want to annoy other people, you can mute your game sounds with one click.
Yes, you might find it not useful, but still 1-star ratings should be avoided at all costs (unless it is a buggy app AND the developer is not responding)

When developers stop bloating the marketplace with trash then the ratings will stop being so negative. People are frustrated. That's why they have such low attention spans.
Seriously an app to mute volume? You have to back out of your game to run the app, so it's not one click. It's a useless app and you're better off just depressing the volume rocker. Which accelerates and gets it done faster than backing out, tapping the icon, and going back into the app. I don't see any usability advantages to that.
You can publish why you want. But don't complain about the ratings.
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N8ter said:
When developers stop bloating the marketplace with trash then the ratings will stop being so negative. People are frustrated. That's why they have such low attention spans.
Seriously an app to mute volume? You can do that with the volume rocker on most every phone without even unlocking the phone.
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Like I said, the media volume, that is not the ringer volume. But I don't want to discuss whether this app is useful or not, it is about the ratings.
And you can't say the WiiRemote app is not useful, but still people give it bad ratings. Same with the Hack me if you can app - people give bad ratings because they don't read the description (the first sentence is that people shouldn't download the app, if they don't know what adb, logcat etc means) and still I am gettings mails everyday asking me why this app asks for a serial -.-
/edit: No, you click on this app *before* you start the game.

That depends on why the app received those ratings. You're starting an apples and oranges comparison now.
If you expect them to not download because they don't know what adb means then why is it not published on xda instead of the android market.
Most phones have an option to vibrate when silenced so keeping the ringer on is useless. If you don't wan them hearing your game sounds you probably don't want them hearing your ringtones either. Hard to miss a call vibrate when the phone is in both your hands anyways. Games don't use the vibrator that much to miss the call (and it would pop up on the screen anyways).
Again, it's absolution to a non issue. That's why people call it useless. I've read a lot of the reviews.
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As an educator and former support desk supervisor for a 1000 seat call center I believe those responding inappropriately to applications are immature and/or ignorant. The former is understandable but barely bearable and coupled with ignorance it makes for an unhappy experience for everyone else. I'm proposing a matrix for apps. and 15 or 20 associates from your ranks or readership to review apps if in fact this can be done at xda. Xda could conceivably be the stopping place for accurate reviews based on a matrix.

All devs care about ratings. Don't get me wrong. I just think your expectations are out of line. People will not wait for email responses before rating free apps, and since app markets let you edit ratings they will always rate low and raise the rating only if the app improves or becomes useful.
Low ratings for niche apps ensure that more broadly useful apps surface higher for that broader user base.
The fact that your volume app is low rates means its only useful to a very small number of people. The ratings simply reflect that.
Ratings reflect more than quality, they affect scope and usefulness as well. When you accept that, it will be less of an issue for you to swallow it.
Obviously you're new to this.
Example: the app that put ads in your notification bar would never have been fixed if people simply uninstalled and didn't rate or report it, or rated it highly because it worked well ads notwithstanding.
The problem is more the rating system than the ratings. A star system works better for your personal music library than an online app store, IMO.
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As an educator and former support desk supervisor for a 1000 seat call center I believe those responding inappropriately to applications are immature and/or ignorant. The former is understandable but barely bearable and coupled with ignorance it makes for an unhappy experience for everyone else. I'm proposing a matrix for apps. and 15 or 20 associates from your ranks or readership to review apps if in fact this can be done at xda. Xda could conceivably be the stopping place for accurate reviews according to a matrix.
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That's useless because XDA readers are not a typical representation of the average consumer. All that data would be less than marginally useful IMO.
As an educator and support center supervisor you should know this (and how to paragraph).
The market reviews are doing the OP a favor by suggesting he should focus on other projects.
Sometimes obvious clues aren't so obvious, though. I'm sure Microsoft can still be selling the Kin, and Nokia can be trying to push Symbian in the US, among other things. After all, a few people did rate them 5 stars. Right.
Part of being a developer is knowing how to manage your obligations an knowing when it's time to drop something and move on. Crying about reviews can and likely will do nothing but harm your reputation as a dev (and attract more negative reviews, just to spite you in some cases).
It's not an easy thing to do, but it's part of the profession. Being an indie developer is hard as ****.
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Well, it is not about the app, but about the ratings. And I absolutely agree with mtd076.
Btw n8ter, the Muter app has an avarange rating of 4.7 and the Hack me if you can app *was* on xda (even on the frontpage). So, this discussion is getting way too offtopic...

I told you I read some of the reviews and looked at the download numbers.
This thread is pops up every 6 months or so.
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LordLugard said:
The ones I hate are the ones who ding an app because of "no apps to SD"...even if the bloody app is like 2Mb in size...a whole 2MB!!!
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you have a Nexus S. which means you have 15 GB of storage, and no SD card. what you fail to realize is not everyone has your phone. a very large amount of phones have small on board storage, and so those users (did I say users? I mean app developer's CUSTOMERS) NEED the app 2 sd option. and no, we don't all have the option of a phone with lots of storage, and even if we do, some of those phones have other limiting factors that some of us consider even worse. the fact is, there really are no excuses left for those devs that still fail to offer their customers the app 2 sd option.the feature debuted with Froyo, around a year and a half ago. ironic to hear people complain about version fragmentation, yet havent yet supported a good feature that's over a year old.
some devs simply fail to understand the fact that not all customers are like them, and use the phone they use. and they fail to serve these customers. which hurts the dev's reputation, and sales. good devs learn from this mistake, and adapt their product accordingly for success. bad devs, instead, blame their customers for the problem and ignore it, quickly developing bad word of mouth (ratings).
I'm not usually a promoter of capitalism, but seriously, welcome to the free (Android) market, folks. success is what YOU make it.

A lot of mid ranged phones come with < 400mb device storage but support to 32 gb SD cards as well. Think of phones like the Aria, as well as people on older "high end" phones who haven't upgraded. Nexus Ones, for example. Lots.of high end HTC phones came with relatively little internal storage as well.
You can always package the widget independently like the catch notes development team does for those people.
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Falkner09 said:
some devs simply fail to understand the fact that not all customers are like them, and use the phone they use. and they fail to serve these customers. which hurts the dev's reputation, and sales. good devs learn from this mistake, and adapt their product accordingly for success. bad devs, instead, blame their customers for the problem and ignore it, quickly developing bad word of mouth (ratings).
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Completely agree. People will download your app for the sole reason of rating it down, and then uninstall without even opening it duebto bad word of mouth. This happens all the time with some popular apps... browsers. Launchers. Messaging clients. etc. All deal with that.
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N8ter said:
Completely agree. People will download your app for the sole reason of rating it down, and then uninstall without even opening it duebto bad word of mouth. This happens all the time with some popular apps... browsers. Launchers. Messaging clients. etc. All deal with that.
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that... isn't what I said at all. and I doubt any sizeable number of people are doing what you're saying. no one trolls the Market just for that reason. I was actually saying that bad word of mouth prevents people from downloading flawed apps, which is exactly how it's supposed to work.

I never said you said it. I said I agree with you and addes my own thought afterwards.
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[Q] siri for droid bionic

I was just wondering with all the talent an experience the developers on this site have. If they could build a program similar to siri on iphone 4 s. Our phones can already do some of what siri can do on the iphone 4s. It would just be nice to see a good developer make it more similar to siri .we can hold down the search button and make a few commands but I would like to be able set appointment by voice and also get a response back when asking about weather etc.

Try downloading Speaktoit Assistant from the Android Market. She's very similar to Siri, you can even name her Siri. She does weather, Google, texting, most of the things Siri does. This is probably your best bet at this point in time.

have you tried iris?

Thanks for the feed back. Im going to give that a try. I don't want to copy the iphone 4s and name it siri I was just wanting something to do the same thing. Hopefully a developer sees this and helps the android fans. Are phones can be greater than any iphone.

Try Eva, I found it to be powerful but I am having trouble with the Bluetooth features. If you have a Bionic and you decide to give Eva a try, could you ping me so I can see if you experience the same bluetooth issues? I use a bluetooth headset where it works perfectly but I have an after market bluetooth product for the car which works perfectly with my Blackberry but not so good with the Bionic. And I have a bluetooth station in my home for my cells phones so the regular phones in the home ring and it too has issues with the Bioinic. I have not been able to figure out if it is a Motorola/Bionic issue, a personal issue with a corrupted file or a developer issue so I would appreciate your reach out to eliminate one of the above.

just read what these people have suggested, there are already many Android spin-offs and alternatives to Siri, the most ironic and one I know of being 'Iris' = 'siri' backwards.... from what I have read and heard the dev's of the app are putting a lot of time and effort into great future improvement in the effectiveness and functionality of said application.

The cool thing about android is you have choice...interesting thing....One of the things the co creator of apple hates about the iphone is Siri:
“I used to ask Siri, ‘What are the five biggest lakes in California?’ and it would come back with the answer. Now it just misses. It gives me real estate listings. I used to ask, ‘What are the prime numbers greater than 87?’ and it would answer. Now instead of getting prime numbers, I get listings for prime rib, or prime real estate.”
anyways
I use 2 different apps:
Voice actions +
Dragon go
Voice action is awesome for doing tasks on your phone like getting weather, adding calendar entries, directions, dictating, etc. you can ask things like "do I need to wear a sweater today" or "am I busy today?"
Dragon Go is awesome for asking all around questions such as "Who played in the movie Money Ball" or "what are the best steak houses with in 5 miles from me" or "how many scales does a fish have"
I have it set so that there is no default so I can hold my magnifying glass and choose based on preference.
Happy androiding
Edit: Please note that these have been available before apple launched Siri, and that Siri was an app for the iPhone before apple bought the company.

Thanks everyone for replying. Iphone don't have s#*% on android with the community it has supporting it.

I have just tested out "Iris" with a few easy questions pertaining to my location. I was quite impressed by the app when it could answer:
1. What is the current population of Cleveland, OH?
2. What is the current temperature of Cleveland, OH?
3. What is the root of 64?
Two questions it could not yet answer:
1. What time is it in California? (It gave me my local time)
2. Where is the nearest grocery store? (It gave me one in Kansas)
All in all it seems to be a very solid app and it's only in alpha.

Just wanted to add that I tried all the top rated app's that we're suggested and found that (speaktoit) works the best . This app is almost flawless. Thanks again for all the responses. With out them I would be envious of iphone 4 s.by the way I used speaktoit to post this for me.

Google voice search (and Google now) very slow to reply

I just got my Nexus 7 16 GB tablet yesterday at Staples. It looks good, plays games and videos well.
But I have a big disappointment. The Voice Search and Google Now both takes more than 60 seconds to reply my queries. It just says "recognizing...." forever. When I watched the videos on youtube, it replied within a few seconds. Could it be my Indian accent? I had HTC Desire HD with andriod 2.3.3 which could understand me within few seconds.
Anybody having the same issues.

sanjeevkafle said:
I just got my Nexus 7 16 GB tablet yesterday at Staples. It looks good, plays games and videos well.
But I have a big disappointment. The Voice Search and Google Now both takes more than 60 seconds to reply my queries. It just says "recognizing...." forever. When I watched the videos on youtube, it replied within a few seconds. Could it be my Indian accent? I had HTC Desire HD with andriod 2.3.3 which could understand me within few seconds.
Anybody having the same issues.
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Could be your accent or your connection, i get responses pretty much instantly when i do a voice search.

Might be the accent. My dad is Filipino and his iPhone 4S can't really understand him.
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Might be the accent. My dad is Filipino and his iPhone 4S can't really understand him.
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That gave me a good laugh. I could just imagine Siri going "Huh??" :silly:

Even if it doesn't recognize the accent, I don't think it takes a minute to realize that.
Think it straightaway searches in Google instead of bringing up cards.
First come smiles. Then come lies. Last is gunfire.

after watching the youtube voice search, i was quite disappointed in the voice results. that guy must of had a list of questions that voice search worked with. most of my voice searches just take me to the google site with search results.

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sanjeevkafle said:
I just got my Nexus 7 16 GB tablet yesterday at Staples. It looks good, plays games and videos well.
But I have a big disappointment. The Voice Search and Google Now both takes more than 60 seconds to reply my queries. It just says "recognizing...." forever. When I watched the videos on youtube, it replied within a few seconds. Could it be my Indian accent? I had HTC Desire HD with andriod 2.3.3 which could understand me within few seconds.
Anybody having the same issues.
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I'm having the exact same problem! I actually think there is either a config issue or something else.
I've tried installing/downloading the Australian English file and have cleared cache and data and restarted but still having the same problem.
I also have a HTC One XL which has better capability of voice recognition than the Nexus 7. I've been trying to get through to Google's Nexus 7 support but they are experiencing a lot of demand atm (as you can imagine).

I do not have much of an accent (for an American) and I also have the problem where it can take up to 60 seconds to do a Google Now search. I speak very, very clearly and it takes a long, long time to give me back results. I think it's a network issue, not an accent issue. If anyone else is having this, I'd appreciate any clue as to why.
I tried linking to a YouTube video with a sample of my voice, but I'm too much a newb on this forum (long-time lurker) to be allowed to post links. So, if you're not lazy, here's the URL: youtube.com/watch?v=KmNIouLByJQ

I'm also having the same problem. At first I thought it just didn't work. It hangs on recognizing forever. I'm in Australia but have a fairly have light English accent. I've tried with almost every English language voice pack too.
It's the same when I try to dictate as well. I wonder if it's related to the connection I'm using on campus as the wifi icon is rarely blue (connected to Google servers if I remember correctly). I'd try on a data connection but I'm almost out.

You guys should try to connect somewhere else than your home to see if its your connection or something else...
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Mine is pretty responsive 90 percent of the time. I've never had it take to more than 10 seconds.
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Mine is pretty responsive 90 percent of the time. I've never had it take to more than 10 seconds.
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Same here. And that's while tethering via my gnex!
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I'm from southern England, Google don't like common accents ! About 40% success rate
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I'm from southern England, Google don't like common accents ! About 40% success rate
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I'm from the South too I'm amazed at how well it does. I wouldn't describe my voice as common though.

I bought Nexus 7 at Staples in Ocean City, Maryland. I went back to the store, and asked for a replacement. I, along with other (American) Staples staffs tried Voice Search and Google Now, which took the same amount of time (1 minute or more).
Anybody bought 16 GB version it at Staples? Or anybody using Comcast Internet Connection in USA? Because they only have comcast here, I doubt comcast has some limitations. To clear confusion, I have 20Mbps download and 4Mbps upload speed.
Do anybody knows if we can change the server settings for Google Now so that I can select the closest server?
I want to clear another misconception. It understands me almost clearly 95% of the time, just takes too long to answer, so it is not the accent.
Thanks.

What I learned about voice search
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after watching the youtube voice search, i was quite disappointed in the voice results. that guy must of had a list of questions that voice search worked with. most of my voice searches just take me to the google site with search results.
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It's pretty fast in bring up cards, or google results when I use it. But I find that it works best when there is a definitive answer to the question. For example if it's a question regarding definitions, math problems, units, specific questions about famous people like, height, age... that sort of thing, you'll usually get a voice reply and card.
However if you ask questions with various answers or that require a lot of details, like how to prepare a dish, who's the highest paid actor, how to flash cwm to the nexus 7, you'll usually get google results.
It's good for answers to precise questions, otherwise, it will get you closer to researching the answer with Google results.

I can do an RP accent as well as my normal Shropshire accent and it is very slow regardless of where I connect or the speed of the network.

I know it's a N7 thread, but I've been a N7 owner for the past 1.5hours and was checking the forum.
But to the topic, I've been using Google Now and Google Voice on my Galaxy Nexus and I found it to be very accurate.
I remember being in the car, with the phone on the holder, stuck in a traffic queue to get in the Euro tunnel (port areas are know for bad connection) and there were some posters about the 7 world wonders of the modern area and I started asking questions about it and all of them were spot on in under 10 seconds.
Accent wise: I'm a Brazilian who learned American English as teenager and been living in UK for almost 4 years. So I must have a weird accent.

I just found out, it is not yout phone, it is not your accent, it is your connection. It always took me three minutes to get the answer to test sentences such as how tall president of the united states. I was connected over WiFi. "Recognizing..." was all I got.
I turned WiFi off and i got the same answer in 2 seconds. As soon as the sentence has been spoken, the old Sci-Fi voice recognition computer processing animation was seen. And wow the answer was there. With WiFi turned off, I did not see the text "Recognizing..." at all.
If you have slow Google Voice Search results, check if you are connected to a wireless lan and if yes, turn it off to see if it works better for you.
This looks like a bug in Google Voce Search to me. this of course only works on phones, so if you use a Tablet without any 3G capabilities, no data plan, you might be out of luck.
I hope Google fixes this as soon as possible.

Could well be..
My results aways come back in under 10 seconds..
I tethered to my phone - which had a low signal for data - and it took much longer - about 30 seconds..
google now must send the voice data - online to translate - and then fetch your query..
I think you can download the voice recognition data -? if I remember ?
See if that helps?

What would make you want an iPhone?

Don't rip my head off for this one.
I'm on vacation, and have to out my phone in airplane mode for the week. I can only do hangouts with people who either have the app, or have android, and use the app. My gf on the other hand, can iMessage all of her friends, video chat with all her friends, etc. Also, my work emails will only work on iPhone, or on android with an outdated gingerbread styled app.
My question is this -
Hypothetically, if the iPhone had a 5" screen, and allowed widgets and launchers, what would you need the iPhone to have in order for you to switch?
I don't think I would switch because I love the look of android, but I feel like I'm waiting for the OS to unify better between OEM makers, and that doesn't seem to be in the near future. I'm jut curious about everyone else's thoughts.
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iOS suckssss. Its boring. There's no customizability. The hardware is nice though, but android manufacturers are now starting to also make some really nice hardware as well.
Only way I'd take iPhone is if I could flash KitKat on it.
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Nothing would make me want an iPhone. Not now not ever. That thing is insanely pointless, and has crappy software with random bugs. Not even the hardware is good and it costs a fortune.
I'd guess making expensive apps so all the rich and upper middle class people would buy them.. Cause rich people constantly know nothing about technology and populate themselves with iDevices just because they think it's good because it's expensive and popular.
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1) Android
2) redesign
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When google buys apple.

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When google buys apple.
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If that happens, hope they sell beats.
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I'm on vacation, and have to out my phone in airplane mode for the week. I can only do hangouts with people who either have the app, or have android, and use the app. My gf on the other hand, can iMessage all of her friends, video chat with all her friends, etc. Also, my work emails will only work on iPhone, or on android with an outdated gingerbread styled app.
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You could have used Google Voice app to text (SMS) your friends (regardless of whether they had iMessage or Hangouts installed), and could have used hangouts/skype for video chatting.
Work Emails, well, yeah, that sucks, My employer (over 75000 employees worldwide) doesn't have an Android app to access the secure network. When some employees (on a quarterly call with a few thousand employees) asked a senior VP "Why no android app", he responded, and I quote, "because as you all know, Android is so easily hacked, and is insecure". Numbnuts!
Yes, I (along with several others) sent Emails to him explaining the facts (and he said that he'll talk to the IT team to see what was needed to get an Android app developed), but the point is that Android development has been on the backburner for many corporations for many (stupid) reasons.
Would I switch to iPhone? If they provided the ability to use launchers/widgets, *and* the ability to sideload apps, *and* the ability to install adaway type apps, *and* the ability to use tasker type app, and they had the screen size that I wanted, and had deep Google Now integration, sure, why not... It would just be another "Android" phone by that time

jj14 said:
You could have used Google Voice app to text (SMS) your friends (regardless of whether they had iMessage or Hangouts installed), and could have used hangouts/skype for video chatting.
Work Emails, well, yeah, that sucks, My employer (over 75000 employees worldwide) doesn't have an Android app to access the secure network. When some employees (on a quarterly call with a few thousand employees) asked a senior VP "Why no android app", he responded, and I quote, "because as you all know, Android is so easily hacked, and is insecure". Numbnuts!
Yes, I (along with several others) sent Emails to him explaining the facts (and he said that he'll talk to the IT team to see what was needed to get an Android app developed), but the point is that Android development has been on the backburner for many corporations for many (stupid) reasons.
Would I switch to iPhone? If they provided the ability to use launchers/widgets, *and* the ability to sideload apps, *and* the ability to install adaway type apps, *and* the ability to use tasker type app, and they had the screen size that I wanted, and had deep Google Now integration, sure, why not... It would just be another "Android" phone by that time
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See, that's the beauty and beast about android. I love that you can sideload or install an app to do what you want to do, but I don't like the fact that its not integrated better. That's the thing that made me (consider) the iPhone.
For things that I really wish Google would do, is force OEM makers to do specific things to the OS of the phone. For example, integrate hangouts as the main texting app, that way we android users can hangout with each other. The user can download their own texting app if they choose, but at least make the stock one hangouts. Because almost all my android friends have Samsung's, and I have yet to see hangouts being used by them.
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justinisloco said:
See, that's the beauty and beast about android. I love that you can sideload or install an app to do what you want to do, but I don't like the fact that its not integrated better. That's the thing that made me (consider) the iPhone.
For things that I really wish Google would do, is force OEM makers to do specific things to the OS of the phone. For example, integrate hangouts as the main texting app, that way we android users can hangout with each other. The user can download their own texting app if they choose, but at least make the stock one hangouts. Because almost all my android friends have Samsung's, and I have yet to see hangouts being used by them.
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Thing is, some people (me included) like the fact that Google doesn't (yet) force me to use a specific app for a specific purpose. Samsung/HTC and others do bundle their own apps (that can't be uninstalled), and most users call that bloat.
It is rumored that Google will bring VoIP calling capability to Hangouts in the near future (as it did for iOS last year). Once that happens, I would expect more users would install Hangouts (even if it wasn't installed by default). Whether they use it as their texting app would depend on them, but at least you would still be able to use video hangouts with your friends then.
About your first few statements - what is not integrated? From what I know about iOS, Google's integration is just as good (if not better), without taking away the ability of the user to choose a different app for a specific need. Unlike iOS, Android allows you to choose the default app for any action. In my opinion, that provides the best integration.

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Thing is, some people (me included) like the fact that Google doesn't (yet) force me to use a specific app for a specific purpose. Samsung/HTC and others do bundle their own apps (that can't be uninstalled), and most users call that bloat.
It is rumored that Google will bring VoIP calling capability to Hangouts in the near future (as it did for iOS last year). Once that happens, I would expect more users would install Hangouts (even if it wasn't installed by default). Whether they use it as their texting app would depend on them, but at least you would still be able to use video hangouts with your friends then.
About your first few statements - what is not integrated? From what I know about iOS, Google's integration is just as good (if not better), without taking away the ability of the user to choose a different app for a specific need. Unlike iOS, Android allows you to choose the default app for any action. In my opinion, that provides the best integration.
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The default app switching is the biggest part keeping me where I belong. I know I switched to am iPhone for a week and it was the worst.
This Whole thread, by the way, is not to convince me to keep my phone. I love this phone, but just was curious what would make you hardcore android fans switch.
Edit -as far as the bloat, its not bloat I'm talking about, I meant specifically the text app
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Hmm, to be honest, an iPhone with 5" screen and widgets/launchers would probably be enough for me to make the switch. Although the OS would still be very "limited" compared to Android, I don't think I would be too bothered about it. It simply just works better and smoother than Android does or will. People can post benchmarks all they want, or videos comparing app opening times which in reality don't mean that much, but the fact is, the overall experience is a lot smoother on iOS. Even Nexus 5 still lags and stutters when scrolling which is pretty amazing considering the hardware that is inside.

Hangouts comes preinstalled on any Android device that has the Play Store now (I believe... but at least the big flagships like the Galaxy S5, HTC One, Nexus 5, etc...). Your friends may not use it, but it's there :laugh: I think it's been said, but the only reason iMessage/Facetime seems more integrated is that Apple forces you to use it. If Google changed it so that all Android phones had to use Hangouts and alternatives couldn't be installed by the user (there are alternatives for the iPhone, but you need to jailbreak and use Cydia to install them), then I'm sure all of your friends would be using Hangouts. But you'd also upset a lot of Android users who like the choice.
I do think it's ridiculous that Hangouts for iPhone has voice call capability while Hangouts for Android does not.
Anyway, to get me to switch there would need to be a lot of changes. Bigger screen, better support for alternative apps (SMS, dialer, browsers that aren't just interface swaps with the same backend, launcher, etc...), a more complete interface overhaul, access to apps installed from outside the app store (without jailbreaking), NFC support, something like Tasker...

In my country where many people are switching to android, they still don't use Hangout. It all depends on the messing service that is used by all and that's WhatsApp here.
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Hangouts comes preinstalled on any Android device that has the Play Store now (I believe... but at least the big flagships like the Galaxy S5, HTC One, Nexus 5, etc...). Your friends may not use it, but it's there :laugh: I think it's been said, but the only reason iMessage/Facetime seems more integrated is that Apple forces you to use it. If Google changed it so that all Android phones had to use Hangouts and alternatives couldn't be installed by the user (there are alternatives for the iPhone, but you need to jailbreak and use Cydia to install them), then I'm sure all of your friends would be using Hangouts. But you'd also upset a lot of Android users who like the choice.
I do think it's ridiculous that Hangouts for iPhone has voice call capability while Hangouts for Android does not.
Anyway, to get me to switch there would need to be a lot of changes. Bigger screen, better support for alternative apps (SMS, dialer, browsers that aren't just interface swaps with the same backend, launcher, etc...), a more complete interface overhaul, access to apps installed from outside the app store (without jailbreaking), NFC support, something like Tasker...
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I think it would be nice to force that as the stock messaging app, but give users the choice to change it via the market. But that way, my not so techy friends can actually start using hangouts with integration and the techy ones can figure out how to use other messaging apps if they prefer.
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justinisloco said:
I think it would be nice to force that as the stock messaging app, but give users the choice to change it via the market. But that way, my not so techy friends can actually start using hangouts with integration and the techy ones can figure out how to use other messaging apps if they prefer.
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Well, that's how Google handles the Nexus phones, but that's far more control than they have exerted on manufacturer skinned phones. Samsung already doesn't like that they need to include all of the Google apps (apart from the play store) alongside their own, I think that enforcing that they be the default would cause an issue. Especially with Samsung's market share of Android phones.

what would make me want an iphone...hmm...maybe if it wasnt an iphone...that is all.

They'd have to become fully open source for me to even think about it and even then.. Na shock treatment is the only way. ;P Females tend to prefer iphones more than males i think. At least more females that I know use them vs males who i know and they will NOT switch.. My wife, ex now had to have one so i bought her one when we were together. Wasn't impressed with anything but the camera and now Android is just as good in that department.. Android rules!! \m/ Been with Android since the G1.. I have so much love and respect for open source and the customization of Android blows apple off the map.. We can tweak our devices 100% with root, custom roms, kernels and themes.. Aosp is just too great imo.
There are so many apps im sure you can find something that will get the job done..
A great story buy one cool guy... http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wYgofunq3OE
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justinisloco said:
Don't rip my head off for this one.
I'm on vacation, and have to out my phone in airplane mode for the week. I can only do hangouts with people who either have the app, or have android, and use the app. My gf on the other hand, can iMessage all of her friends, video chat with all her friends, etc. Also, my work emails will only work on iPhone, or on android with an outdated gingerbread styled app.
My question is this -
Hypothetically, if the iPhone had a 5" screen, and allowed widgets and launchers, what would you need the iPhone to have in order for you to switch?
I don't think I would switch because I love the look of android, but I feel like I'm waiting for the OS to unify better between OEM makers, and that doesn't seem to be in the near future. I'm jut curious about everyone else's thoughts.
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The ability to obtain root access through means other than exploits that Apple patches as fast as they can. If that were possible, along with some more customization, I might consider it. And a price drop. Way too expensive.

Nothing...ever. Even if it was free. Lol

This is not related to the nexus 5 at all
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