ARGH!
It is so frustrating to code for Android, if people rate apps bad because they don't read the bloody description!
For example, I have an app that mutes the media volume (and does not do anything else!) and somebody complaints that my app doesn't do anything then showing the android volume popup.
Or people rate the medium version of Hack me if you can bad, because they can't solve it.
I guess most of them don't know, that 1-star reviews are really bad for us developers. And if it is a paid app, that also means less income!
But they don't think about it and just do it with one click.
I do understand, that the 1-star option is a must, especially if an app is not working and the developer doesn't response (I mean, that is why we enter an email address!), it is totally okay to give such a bad review.
But most people don't think about it. Best example is the WiiRemote Controller by ccp creations - either people complain that is not working on their phone (because the manufactor removed the functionallity) or because no Wii Games are included. I mean, WTF?
Sorry for spamming, but I think I am not the only one who is frustrated by that. Leave a comment if you want to
The ones I hate are the ones who ding an app because of "no apps to SD"...even if the bloody app is like 2Mb in size...a whole 2MB!!!
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And if your app uses widgets, you simply can't move it to the SD - but you're right, I have seen a lot of these, too....
hmm.. not true, there are many widgets that works even when they are on SD
i got many of them running
To name a few Learn from Go Team, they have a lot of widgets that runs fine even when the App is installed on SD
An app that does nothing but mute volume is a waste of space and deserves a 1 star review IMO.
The Android market has enough junk in it and developers don't seem to care. That's why users barely pay attention anymore. Everyone assumes the worse.
I only have two ratings I use. 1 star and 5 star. Ive yet to meet this mythical flawless app. Paid apps tend to be buggier and less supported than free apps on android and WP7, actually, so people are much harsher towards them.
And do you serious expect me or anyone to hold a rating for an email response? Did you email those users and wait for responses from them before posting this topic?
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@AllGamer: Do you know how to achieve that? Because according to the Developer Guide this is not possible.
@N8ter: If you think it is a waste of space, well don't download it and don't rate it. For other people it is useful, in this case it mutes the media volume, which is normally not muted. So eg. you're sitting in a bus and don't want to annoy other people, you can mute your game sounds with one click.
Yes, you might find it not useful, but still 1-star ratings should be avoided at all costs (unless it is a buggy app AND the developer is not responding)
When developers stop bloating the marketplace with trash then the ratings will stop being so negative. People are frustrated. That's why they have such low attention spans.
Seriously an app to mute volume? You have to back out of your game to run the app, so it's not one click. It's a useless app and you're better off just depressing the volume rocker. Which accelerates and gets it done faster than backing out, tapping the icon, and going back into the app. I don't see any usability advantages to that.
You can publish why you want. But don't complain about the ratings.
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When developers stop bloating the marketplace with trash then the ratings will stop being so negative. People are frustrated. That's why they have such low attention spans.
Seriously an app to mute volume? You can do that with the volume rocker on most every phone without even unlocking the phone.
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Like I said, the media volume, that is not the ringer volume. But I don't want to discuss whether this app is useful or not, it is about the ratings.
And you can't say the WiiRemote app is not useful, but still people give it bad ratings. Same with the Hack me if you can app - people give bad ratings because they don't read the description (the first sentence is that people shouldn't download the app, if they don't know what adb, logcat etc means) and still I am gettings mails everyday asking me why this app asks for a serial -.-
/edit: No, you click on this app *before* you start the game.
That depends on why the app received those ratings. You're starting an apples and oranges comparison now.
If you expect them to not download because they don't know what adb means then why is it not published on xda instead of the android market.
Most phones have an option to vibrate when silenced so keeping the ringer on is useless. If you don't wan them hearing your game sounds you probably don't want them hearing your ringtones either. Hard to miss a call vibrate when the phone is in both your hands anyways. Games don't use the vibrator that much to miss the call (and it would pop up on the screen anyways).
Again, it's absolution to a non issue. That's why people call it useless. I've read a lot of the reviews.
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As an educator and former support desk supervisor for a 1000 seat call center I believe those responding inappropriately to applications are immature and/or ignorant. The former is understandable but barely bearable and coupled with ignorance it makes for an unhappy experience for everyone else. I'm proposing a matrix for apps. and 15 or 20 associates from your ranks or readership to review apps if in fact this can be done at xda. Xda could conceivably be the stopping place for accurate reviews based on a matrix.
All devs care about ratings. Don't get me wrong. I just think your expectations are out of line. People will not wait for email responses before rating free apps, and since app markets let you edit ratings they will always rate low and raise the rating only if the app improves or becomes useful.
Low ratings for niche apps ensure that more broadly useful apps surface higher for that broader user base.
The fact that your volume app is low rates means its only useful to a very small number of people. The ratings simply reflect that.
Ratings reflect more than quality, they affect scope and usefulness as well. When you accept that, it will be less of an issue for you to swallow it.
Obviously you're new to this.
Example: the app that put ads in your notification bar would never have been fixed if people simply uninstalled and didn't rate or report it, or rated it highly because it worked well ads notwithstanding.
The problem is more the rating system than the ratings. A star system works better for your personal music library than an online app store, IMO.
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As an educator and former support desk supervisor for a 1000 seat call center I believe those responding inappropriately to applications are immature and/or ignorant. The former is understandable but barely bearable and coupled with ignorance it makes for an unhappy experience for everyone else. I'm proposing a matrix for apps. and 15 or 20 associates from your ranks or readership to review apps if in fact this can be done at xda. Xda could conceivably be the stopping place for accurate reviews according to a matrix.
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That's useless because XDA readers are not a typical representation of the average consumer. All that data would be less than marginally useful IMO.
As an educator and support center supervisor you should know this (and how to paragraph).
The market reviews are doing the OP a favor by suggesting he should focus on other projects.
Sometimes obvious clues aren't so obvious, though. I'm sure Microsoft can still be selling the Kin, and Nokia can be trying to push Symbian in the US, among other things. After all, a few people did rate them 5 stars. Right.
Part of being a developer is knowing how to manage your obligations an knowing when it's time to drop something and move on. Crying about reviews can and likely will do nothing but harm your reputation as a dev (and attract more negative reviews, just to spite you in some cases).
It's not an easy thing to do, but it's part of the profession. Being an indie developer is hard as ****.
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Well, it is not about the app, but about the ratings. And I absolutely agree with mtd076.
Btw n8ter, the Muter app has an avarange rating of 4.7 and the Hack me if you can app *was* on xda (even on the frontpage). So, this discussion is getting way too offtopic...
I told you I read some of the reviews and looked at the download numbers.
This thread is pops up every 6 months or so.
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The ones I hate are the ones who ding an app because of "no apps to SD"...even if the bloody app is like 2Mb in size...a whole 2MB!!!
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you have a Nexus S. which means you have 15 GB of storage, and no SD card. what you fail to realize is not everyone has your phone. a very large amount of phones have small on board storage, and so those users (did I say users? I mean app developer's CUSTOMERS) NEED the app 2 sd option. and no, we don't all have the option of a phone with lots of storage, and even if we do, some of those phones have other limiting factors that some of us consider even worse. the fact is, there really are no excuses left for those devs that still fail to offer their customers the app 2 sd option.the feature debuted with Froyo, around a year and a half ago. ironic to hear people complain about version fragmentation, yet havent yet supported a good feature that's over a year old.
some devs simply fail to understand the fact that not all customers are like them, and use the phone they use. and they fail to serve these customers. which hurts the dev's reputation, and sales. good devs learn from this mistake, and adapt their product accordingly for success. bad devs, instead, blame their customers for the problem and ignore it, quickly developing bad word of mouth (ratings).
I'm not usually a promoter of capitalism, but seriously, welcome to the free (Android) market, folks. success is what YOU make it.
A lot of mid ranged phones come with < 400mb device storage but support to 32 gb SD cards as well. Think of phones like the Aria, as well as people on older "high end" phones who haven't upgraded. Nexus Ones, for example. Lots.of high end HTC phones came with relatively little internal storage as well.
You can always package the widget independently like the catch notes development team does for those people.
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some devs simply fail to understand the fact that not all customers are like them, and use the phone they use. and they fail to serve these customers. which hurts the dev's reputation, and sales. good devs learn from this mistake, and adapt their product accordingly for success. bad devs, instead, blame their customers for the problem and ignore it, quickly developing bad word of mouth (ratings).
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Completely agree. People will download your app for the sole reason of rating it down, and then uninstall without even opening it duebto bad word of mouth. This happens all the time with some popular apps... browsers. Launchers. Messaging clients. etc. All deal with that.
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Completely agree. People will download your app for the sole reason of rating it down, and then uninstall without even opening it duebto bad word of mouth. This happens all the time with some popular apps... browsers. Launchers. Messaging clients. etc. All deal with that.
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that... isn't what I said at all. and I doubt any sizeable number of people are doing what you're saying. no one trolls the Market just for that reason. I was actually saying that bad word of mouth prevents people from downloading flawed apps, which is exactly how it's supposed to work.
I never said you said it. I said I agree with you and addes my own thought afterwards.
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I ordered the iPhone from Verizon for my wife and was planning on using it til the thunderbolt cones out. I've been an android enthusiasts for a while I just wondered if I was going to rott in hell for this one, its like going tobthe Christian church and then becoming a satist. Or so I hear. I'm just ready for some good battery life again, I should be ashamed of myself
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Enjoy living in apple's walled playground.
Having an iphone is like being 17, it's awesome but it could be so much better.
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Ifone sucks
Viva Android ;p
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Ifone sucks
Viva Android ;p
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I disagree, the iphone has amazing hardware and software and the app store is unrivaled. But it's a shame that Apple doesn't allow for a little more freedom.
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ksizzle9 said:
I ordered the iPhone from Verizon for my wife and was planning on using it til the thunderbolt cones out. I've been an android enthusiasts for a while I just wondered if I was going to rott in hell for this one, its like going tobthe Christian church and then becoming a satist. Or so I hear. I'm just ready for some good battery life again, I should be ashamed of myself
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I don't understand the iPhone hate in the world. The psychologist in me says there must be some jealousy. The iPhone does some things very, VERY well. It's beautifully designed hardware. It's very reliable and generally just works.
That said, there's a few reasons I like Android better:
- Better, less intrusive notification system
- More freedom in what to use - no apps blocked out because of stupid rules (think Google Voice)
- Swype keyboard availability
- Google Maps GPS
But the iPhone has:
- Better Applications, especially games
- Better hardware design (aesthetically) than any Android phone
- Less platform fragmentation and more regular updates
If Apple licensed Swype, and created something other than their pop-up notifications, I would seriously consider switching. No questions. Both are great products and should be recognized as such. Windows Phone 7 is also very nice for those who only need to do what it can do.
I'm surprised you don't hear it said more often but i've always seen the iphone as more of a ladies device, whereas Android is more for the gents.
Is that just me?
Men are generally more practical and we enjoy our tools, (ahem), ladies like to accessorise.
Mark Uhde said:
I don't understand the iPhone hate in the world. The psychologist in me says there must be some jealousy. The iPhone does some things very, VERY well. It's beautifully designed hardware. It's very reliable and generally just works.
That said, there's a few reasons I like Android better:
- Better, less intrusive notification system
- More freedom in what to use - no apps blocked out because of stupid rules (think Google Voice)
- Swype keyboard availability
- Google Maps GPS
But the iPhone has:
- Better Applications, especially games
- Better hardware design (aesthetically) than any Android phone
- Less platform fragmentation and more regular updates
If Apple licensed Swype, and created something other than their pop-up notifications, I would seriously consider switching. No questions. Both are great products and should be recognized as such. Windows Phone 7 is also very nice for those who only need to do what it can do.
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the first two your points for the iphone are subjective. for your third one, Forced updates are not necessarily a good thing.
Here are my subjective counter arguments.
Hardwarewise the iphone is lacking, (Sd card? USB port?) and is easily broken (not to mention antenna fail)
Software wise the iphone is lacking (neutered bluetooth, boring interface) The apps and games are not all that different to android, both markets are being constantly updated.
Apple have to release updates very often , Because its the only one phone apple got , So, they can easily do it but other OEM Cant do for all models
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the first two your points for the iphone are subjective. for your third one, Forced updates are not necessarily a good thing.
Here are my subjective counter arguments.
Hardwarewise the iphone is lacking, (Sd card? USB port?) and is easily broken (not to mention antenna fail)
Software wise the iphone is lacking (neutered bluetooth, boring interface) The apps and games are not all that different to android, both markets are being constantly updated.
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Sure, I'm being a big subjective, but so are you with "boring interface." The iPhone 4 is glass and metal. Premium materials all around in a way nothing compares to. Neutered Bluetooth? I quit caring about Bluetooth the day I got a smartphone. Bluetooth (when not crippled) is great on dumbphones, but seems to me to have little purpose on a smartphone. As for the "antenna fail" - it's mostly myth. People I know with iPhone 4's are getting great reception. You basically just have to avoid touching it on the antenna breaks - which are easy to see and clear to avoid, and they're not in places where MOST people would touch it in the normal use of the phone. The only way you'd really naturally touch them is if you're gripping the phone with your whole hand.
I'm not saying it's perfect, I love the flexibility of Android. I'm just saying - there's some things that Samsung, Motorola, HTC, etc could learn from Apple on.
Hardwarewise the iphone is lacking, (Sd card? USB port?) and is easily broken (not to mention antenna fail)
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8 gb internal memory, has a link cable. AT&T had the antenna issue, issue fixed with Verizon version. AT&T network also part to blame on that too. The SD card and USB port are more like features, not actually needed.
Software wise the iphone is lacking (neutered bluetooth, boring interface) The apps and games are not all that different to android, both markets are being constantly updated.
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Bluetooth works just fine for communication, and the interface is to each their own. I like it a lot. The apps and games I've seen and used on Ios are a lot more polished than those on Android. For a good reason though, Apple has control over the apps. Android has an open market. Plus, in my opinion the games on ios are way better. I only thing I like in games that android has that doesn't need root, are emulators.
I like both platforms, I wish frash would be more developed for ios. I might be getting on Verizon and getting one, if not probably gonna get the Thunderbolt if the LTE is only $30 and not $50.
u cant justify a phone that has one button cuz its "simple to use" and then start going around bragging how superior it is technically , its simply a dumbed down toy phone , an overpriced piece of style made for blond women
and if thats what works for you , well that says something about ya
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u cant justify a phone that has one button cuz its "simple to use" and then start going around bragging how superior it is technically , its simply a dumbed down toy phone , an overpriced piece of style made for blond women
and if thats what works for you , well that says something about ya
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That comment makes no sense whatsoever. An iphone is not simple because it only has one button. It's built that way because that's what the software needs.
even if it's the other way around (software optimized for hardware) the iphone is not a "toy phone". It's as fast and powerful as most android devices.
Apple's guidelines are a different story and it hampers the phone, but as a device, it can go head to head with any current android phone.
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That comment makes no sense whatsoever. An iphone is not simple because it only has one button. It's built that way because that's what the software needs.
even if it's the other way around (software optimized for hardware) the iphone is not a "toy phone". It's as fast and powerful as most android devices.
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in short , i believe u meant to say : the revolutionary software is built around one magical button
Guys, seriously, what's the point in arguing this stuff. It just screams of jealousy. The iPhone 4 is great hardware. It's very similar inside to a Samsung Galaxy S. The screen is smaller, but higher resolution - different for different needs. The design is very elegant and classy.
The software? Eh, it's fast and looks good at first. I hate the popup in-your-face notifications though, and it's rather repetitive.
The App Store? This is where I really start to hate the iPhone - the "you can't do that because we say so" attitude. This would be fine if sideloading apps was allowed, but it's not. And THAT is my big issue with the iPhone.
But arguing that the hardware isn't very high end is silly. And the one button isn't even to make it simpler, it's not - having physical buttons is easier. It's to make it more minimalist and look nicer. The same reason by the time Apple finally started including multi-button mice with Macs, they did so once the technology was in place to make it look and feel like a one-button mouse. Sure, the one-button mouse was slow and hard to use. But it looked good. The new Apple mice are amazing though - one physical button, but a touch surface that recognizes where you're pushing on the mouse. Likewise with the new Apple trackpads - one GIANT touch surface with no discernable button, but it works great! The old true one-button Apple mice though were a crime against humanity - and there's a reason almost nobody professional actually used the mouse that came with their Mac in those days.
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I ordered the iPhone from Verizon for my wife
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Why? What did she do wrong?
DirkGently1 said:
I'm surprised you don't hear it said more often but i've always seen the iphone as more of a ladies device, whereas Android is more for the gents.
Is that just me?
Men are generally more practical and we enjoy our tools, (ahem), ladies like to accessorise.
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Yes. It definitely is just you. I'm sorry but that's just unfair of you to say that. I most definitely AM A LADY and, I wouldn't be caught dead with an iPOS. Please don't generalize like that again. Oh and as for your little comment about accessories. I CUSTOMIZE my N1 to my hearts content. I am deeply offended by your comments.
I'm not sure where I sent this from.... or how I did it
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in short , i believe u meant to say : the revolutionary software is built around one magical button
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It's a button that does the same as the home button on any android device. So android can search or go back using physical buttons, there's no inherent difference that those options are built into iphone UI.
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I completely agree; we like to spend more time tinkering with the phone, customizing it to our liking.
I do see a lot more women with iPhones, and the women that i do see with android phones (galaxy s or whatever), use all stock applications and launchers and maybe have Angry Birds on there or something.
Screens too small. I'll have me a nice big android phone any day.
I am currently using a 7 inch gsm/3g tablet as my phone and I love it. fits into my pockets too. zte v9.
Nice hardware. Too small. Like the macbook air.
After watching several videos of it battling the Siri of iOS while I was awaiting my tablet, I was hyped about using this feature.
Now that I have had my tablet for almost almost a week now, it was overhyped and the accuracy was overblown in those videos on YouTube.
I know it's not my accent, since it gets my questions correctly, it just doesn't answer 'em.
I tried simple stuff too, like requesting for the current score of USA vs Korea in volleyball (when the game was going on), requesting for specific train times, requesting to see my calendar, asking it to see if I was busy on a certain day and time, and it just Google'd these questions, not telling me the answers (especially the last one; it Google'd "Am I busy at 4pm on this coming Monday?" instead of showing my calendar).
Hell even the simplest things like "show me my calendar" has it Googling that, and not actually showing me my calendar.
I've only ever successfully gotten it to tell me the weather, the time, set alarm, and tell me when the Olympics 2012 ends.
If Google Voice Search (or w/e they call it) is this bad, I wonder how bad Siri is, seeing how in those videos, Google beat Siri all the time.
Had a guy at work playing around with Siri, not very impressing, certainly nothing like the staged commercials. Technology is not there yet. I think that Dragon has a better voice recognition ability, (part of Swype Beta), but I have not played with their "Dragon Go" yet on my tablet. Didn't care for it much on my phone.
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After watching several videos of it battling the Siri of iOS while I was awaiting my tablet, I was hyped about using this feature.
Now that I have had my tablet for almost almost a week now, it was overhyped and the accuracy was overblown in those videos on YouTube.
I know it's not my accent, since it gets my questions correctly, it just doesn't answer 'em.
I tried simple stuff too, like requesting for the current score of USA vs Korea in volleyball (when the game was going on), requesting for specific train times, requesting to see my calendar, asking it to see if I was busy on a certain day and time, and it just Google'd these questions, not telling me the answers (especially the last one; it Google'd "Am I busy at 4pm on this coming Monday?" instead of showing my calendar).
Hell even the simplest things like "show me my calendar" has it Googling that, and not actually showing me my calendar.
I've only ever successfully gotten it to tell me the weather, the time, set alarm, and tell me when the Olympics 2012 ends.
If Google Voice Search (or w/e they call it) is this bad, I wonder how bad Siri is, seeing how in those videos, Google beat Siri all the time.
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Siri answers a lot more of those types of questions, although it is definitely slower as the videos point out. Overall though, I rarely ask those questions anyways. I generally only ask about sports scores and weather or conversions, and a few more things.
I think they are both good at different things. Most of the YouTube videos I've seen seem to show of Google Nows speed a bit much. Hopefully what Google Now lacks.. now, it will make up for in later updates, assuming they are not harassed by Apple too much more.
I'd also like to mention that Google Now is not in any way a clone or copy of Siri. Voice recognition and human-like feedback have been strived towards since even before the USS-Enterprises computer did it in early Star-Trek Apple, or anyone recently claiming it was 'their idea' should be shot in the foot.
Didn't Google have to 'dumb' down their voice app because of the lawsuit Apple had against the Galaxy Nexus?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/29/apple-lands-preliminary-ban-against-samsung-galaxy-nexus/
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Apple, or anyone recently claiming it was 'their idea' should be shot in the foot.
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In the foot? I can think of another, less elegant location.
Is does work alot better than siri in alot of ways, then again this stuff was available since froyo. I believe Google said all those features are coming back
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Didn't Google have to 'dumb' down their voice app because of the lawsuit Apple had against the Galaxy Nexus?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/29/apple-lands-preliminary-ban-against-samsung-galaxy-nexus/
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They removed local search (i.e., showing apps and contacts, etc., along with off-device search) from ALL on-device search, because it was the integrated search functionality specifically that was the patent that the judge found most likely to be upheld. Not related directly to voice.
But atleast Google now is better then S voice lol, I removed it from my G note.... For some reason it never worked for me : /
I'm getting "network error. Please try again" on my S3
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I think it's pretty good, it's very accurate for me even in noisy environments.
It's just not very complex in it's abilities, which I agree with a member above is due to it being young technology rather than overrated per say.
As it's part of my phone and I use it more, I still find Siri far more frustrating and inaccurate. Oddly a series of jailbreaks make it far more capable and I'm wondering if we'll ever see similar hacking on Android.
Somewhat related, I'm just glad Google allows for offline dictation as there's nothing more annoying than a voice assistant telling you it's unavailable because you're in bad service area.
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It's just not very complex in it's abilities, which I agree with a member above is due to it being young technology rather than overrated per say.
As it's part of my phone and I use it more, I still find Siri far more frustrating and inaccurate. Oddly a series of jailbreaks make it far more capable and I'm wondering if we'll ever see similar hacking on Android.
Somewhat related, I'm just glad Google allows for offline dictation as there's nothing more annoying than a voice assistant telling you it's unavailable because you're in bad service area.
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Well, if not for the insanity that is Apple, it would have much more capabilities, but I find it pretty easy to use, accurate, and despite local search, pretty good.
Lolz, why people always believe that Apple make new things every time and now calling this Google now a siri clone.
Having used both siri and Google now, I think both are different and have different strength points and Google now doing more work than siri. Siri is more vocal though.
People think S voice is bad but I have found it more useful than siri and it can do device functions as well which siri can't.
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Google now isn't a siri clone and wasn't created to be one. Although I will admit that Google now works a lot better on my galaxy nexus, Google Now is pretty amazing. I love when I'm out somewhere that it tells me how much traffic I will have on my way home and will give me better directions.
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As somebody already said, the voice recognition is accurate but it just doesn't give you 'local' results. I tried to get it to display a book I have in Play Books or music in Play Music but it wouldn't open those apps. I use SpeakToIt Assistant, which seems to be much better at playing your music, reading calendar, sending SMS's (on my Sensation), etc.
I think it runs better actually... Tried it out next to an iPhone 4s and asked them both the questions at the same time and my Gnex blew it out of the water
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I think it runs better actually... Tried it out next to an iPhone 4s and asked them both the questions at the same time and my Gnex blew it out of the water
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Yes, I agree
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The OP complains mostly about calendar integration...which I agree ought to be included. It will, however, schedule reminders using alarms. I hope this isn't yet another patent issue....especially since voice commands have been in the works for years on multiple platforms. Heck, back in the 80s I had my Amiga executing various commands by voice...even telling me the time using Majel Roddenberry's voice after a 'computer. Time please' command. I programmed a bunch of voice commands using AREXX.
I find the voice feature very useful. On my galaxy nexus I asked it to call home depot and it called the nearest store and offered navigation and eta. It really makes for the ultimate hands free navigaion/calling system. It responds very quickly as well.
I would like it to SAY more. And I would pay good money if it sounded like Majel Roddenberry.
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I know that for people in the UK you have to tick the box for it to search from Google.com opposed to co.uk, otherwise it wont bring up pictures and certain cards (as answers to questions).
Also, change the language to english (US) to get the cute female voice opposed to our British male, ha.
But overall, nothing like the Youtube video where the guy asks 74 odd questions on Google Now. When i try, it just searches the same question...
http://androidandme.com/2013/06/opi...from-the-best-to-worst-tablet-ive-ever-owned/
After reading the article, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's experiencing this issue. I've noticed my Nexus 7 slows down and becomes less responsive during heavy writing task(downloading stuff at high speed, stuttering browser, etc).
Before anybody jumping in and saying they don't have the issue, the point is it does happen and it happens to other devices as well. Same issue can be said for Galaxy Nexus, Asus Transformer Infinite Transformer Prime. A good way to test this is to see how your tablet performs when you download something over 1MB/s or 2MB/s.
The reasons some people don't see this are:
1. It's hard to tell in short term. Usually the memory i/o speed degrading starts to show after 6 months to 1 year or longer depending on the quality of the flash memory they use.
2. Interfering factors. Many people think the lag is caused by ROM or kernel. It could be true in some cases.
3. Inconsistent quality control during manufacture. I'd assume that out of some bad batches, there will be also some good units. Also not every device use the exact same flash memory chips.
4. Personal usage difference. Flash memory's life span depends on the limited number of writing/reading. So the degrading rate also depends on each individual. Some people are heavy users who constantly perform copying/reading/removing actions on the device while some others may only use it for internet access which results in less taxing work.
Actually the i/o speed issue is one main reason I'm looking forward to next generation Nexus 7. Just hope ASUS can use better quality flash memory next time.
EDIT: more elaborate point.
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http://androidandme.com/2013/06/opi...from-the-best-to-worst-tablet-ive-ever-owned/
After reading the article, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's experiencing this issue. Before anybody jumping in and saying they don't have the issue, the point is it does happen. Same issue can be said for Galaxy Nexus and Asus Transformer Prime. Actually this is one main reason I'm looking forward to next generation Nexus 7. Just hope ASUS can use better quality flash memory next time.
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I don't know, if Asus doesn't get it right on 2 devices, all of which I have owned, I can't imagine that they will get it right on the next 2 devices. I was so tired of my laggy infinity that I just sold it on ebay. I was so tired of my laggy nexus 7 that I did a factory reset. But then again, these were essentially first generation products. Hopefully the second gen will be better (seems to contradict what I just said, haha.) I am probably going to wait for a little while before I get the next nexus, anyway. I have an expensive habit of getting the latest on launch, most of the time regretting my decisions.
I haven't seen any of the lag these sites and users complain about. Maybe its because I was more used to my Iconia A500 dragging its feet at the two year mark but I can't see how this is "laggy" or "unresponsive" at all. I think this is the result of seeing the device as "old" rather than "new" so you notice one thing and look for 100 others you never noticed. In the end though it could be worse. You could've paid a pretty penny for it to turn to crap All I can say is that I have not noticed these problems and that if they remain after a wipe and reversion to an older, version then they must have always been there.
Its flash storage over all devices. I've seen the same lag on my wifes ipad and iphone.
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I haven't seen any of the lag these sites and users complain about. Maybe its because I was more used to my Iconia A500 dragging its feet at the two year mark but I can't see how this is "laggy" or "unresponsive" at all. I think this is the result of seeing the device as "old" rather than "new" so you notice one thing and look for 100 others you never noticed. In the end though it could be worse. You could've paid a pretty penny for it to turn to crap All I can say is that I have not noticed these problems and that if they remain after a wipe and reversion to an older, version then they must have always been there.
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Well, the thing is the performance drop is very distinct and easy to see. When the device comes to a stall during some background writing/reading, then it's problem.
The reason some people don't see this is:
1. It's hard to tell in short term. Usually the memory i/o speed degrading starts to show after 6 months to 1 year or longer.
2. Interfering factors. Many people think the lag is caused by ROM or kernel. It could be true.
3. Inconsistent quality control. I'd assume that out of some bad batch, there will be also some good units. Also not every device use the exact same memory chips.
4. Personal usage difference. Flash memory's life span depends on the limited number of writing/reading. So the degrading rate also depends on each individual. Some people are heavy users who constantly perform copying/reading/removing actions on the device while some others may only use it for internet access which results in less taxing work.
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http://androidandme.com/2013/06/opi...from-the-best-to-worst-tablet-ive-ever-owned/
After reading the article, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's experiencing this issue. I've noticed my Nexus 7 slows down and becomes less responsive during heavy writing task(downloading stuff at high speed, stuttering browser, etc).
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Every computer I have ever used - that's over a 30-year period - could have its' UI brought to it's knees with heavy I/O. It's not a surprise, really: mass storage is typically the slowest bandwidth device (ignoring things like uarts or keyboards) in the system.
The problem can be pushed into a corner - for instance using massively more RAM than is needed by the memory footprint of the kernel and apps, so that there is plenty of fast file cache available, but even in that case, a source of sustained high-speed I/O will eventually exhaust the write cache, and slow writes will start occurring and queuing up against all other I/O activity.
But that kind of thing doesn't happen in a $200 tablet. RAM ain't cheap, nor does it come for free in terms of power consumption (and thus battery size needed for a given "on battery" time).
On top of that, you have all the problems of write amplification that occurs with flash memory that performs block erasures and wear-leveling.
IMO, if you think this is something that only occurs on certain OS releases, or certain hardware, you are probably going to be disappointed with every device you ever buy. That will be the case until a non-volatile storage media exists with sustained read/write bandwidth that exceeds that of the system memory bus, and also is not affected by the number of independent transactions per GB of I/O.
BTW, the fact that someone on the internet complains about a problem with symptoms similar to those you experience does not imply that the same root cause is involved, nor does it say anything about the frequency of occurrence of those symptoms amongst the general population. I suppose that some small percentage of the world's population is tired all the time; but that doesn't mean they all have Lyme disease, nor that everybody has it.
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Gruber linked to it. Joy. Prepare for this article to be linked to by every iOS fanboy from now until the end of time.
My theory is that its mostly prevalent on the 8 GB models that were only sold for a short period of time, and thats why only a few people, mostly early adopters, have seen this.
I torrent ... "things" ... at over 1.5 MB/sec.
Don't see a dip in speed at all. Try changing your IO schedulers, people.
Mine gets slow when I have less than 3gb of storage open.. Above that, it is fast. It's not a permanent problem. Try freeing up space before damning the Nexus 7.
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Also as soon as some one points out an issue, people will come in and tell them they are wrong.
There's def an issue with the n7, sometimes is it is slow as molasses and other times butter smooth. Where as my n4 is always butter smooth
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Mine gets slow when I have less than 3gb of storage open..
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Also as soon as some one points out an issue, people will come in and tell them they are wrong.
There's def an issue with the n7, sometimes is it is slow as molasses and other times butter smooth. Where as my n4 is always butter smooth
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The N4 has twice as much RAM as the N7. See my comment about file write caching above. It is quite reasonable to expect the N4 to perform better under equivalent load as there will be substantially larger free memory for write caching (everything else being equal). Simply put the N7 will hit the I/O queue wait wall first.
A statement from one or two users that "my tablet doesn't do that, what are you talking about" is just as relevant information as one or two users claiming "my tablet is always slow".
Neither report is a denial of the experiences of others; but both taken together are a demonstration that the trouble described is not universally experienced.
And since neither set of onesie-twosie reports represent a statistically significant sample, neither of them are capable of saying anything meaningful about how widespread the problem is in the general user population.
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The N4 has twice as much RAM as the N7. See my comment about file write caching above. It is quite reasonable to expect the N4 to perform better under equivalent load as there will be substantially larger free memory for write caching (everything else being equal). Simply put the N7 will hit the I/O queue wait wall first.
A statement from one or two users that "my tablet doesn't do that, what are you talking about" is just as relevant information as one or two users claiming "my tablet is always slow".
Neither report is a denial of the experiences of others; but both taken together are a demonstration that the trouble described is not universally experienced.
And since neither set of onesie-twosie reports represent a statistically significant sample, neither of them are capable of saying anything meaningful about how widespread the problem is in the general user population.
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I'd also be surprised if most Nexus 4s have had the same amount of wear on them as the Nexus 7s. Just saying.
Your I/O scheduler definitely helps, but unfortunately software fixes can only play catch-up for so long. It's one of the things I really do dislike about flash memory-- yes, I know that spinning disk media also has wear, but I've had some drives running for...practically forever, really. I just don't feel comfortable knowing that SSDs and flash will eventually cop out because of how they're designed (but a lot of that, I'll plainly admit is a psychological thing and has little to do with the tech's actual reliability).
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The N4 has twice as much RAM as the N7. See my comment about file write caching above. It is quite reasonable to expect the N4 to perform better under equivalent load as there will be substantially larger free memory for write caching (everything else being equal). Simply put the N7 will hit the I/O queue wait wall first.
A statement from one or two users that "my tablet doesn't do that, what are you talking about" is just as relevant information as one or two users claiming "my tablet is always slow".
Neither report is a denial of the experiences of others; but both taken together are a demonstration that the trouble described is not universally experienced.
And since neither set of onesie-twosie reports represent a statistically significant sample, neither of them are capable of saying anything meaningful about how widespread the problem is in the general user population.
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Your right when I wake my n7 from sleep with no apps updating or anything running, and it moves at a ants pace. I am wrong its me I guess...right. Every user should have to unlock root and flash a kernel to change how it runs.
I read the comment you made before, its the same copy pasta stuff from when the nexus 7 didn't have issues having the storage full, back early on. This what makes xda so great, people have a issue and someone chimes in tells them they are wrong, or ten posts of "420 root it, and flash mer devs kernel"
But your right my tablet should mostly be lagging because running the launcher and maybe an app slows everything down because its designed to run an app and that's it.
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EDIT: bftb0 summed up what I wanted to say far better
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Your right when I wake my n7 from sleep with no apps updating or anything running, and it moves at a ants pace. I am wrong its me I guess...right. Every user should have to unlock root and flash a kernel to change how it runs.
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Nobody has denied anybody's experience. If you say that stuff happens, I believe you.
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I read the comment you made before, its the same copy pasta stuff from when the nexus 7 didn't have issues having the storage full, back early on. This what makes xda so great, people have a issue and someone chimes in tells them they are wrong, or ten posts of "420 root it, and flash mer devs kernel"
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But your right my tablet should mostly be lagging because running the launcher and maybe an app slows everything down because its designed to run an app and that's it.
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If that happens on a stock device with no apps that's been rebooted within the past few days, and there are no other pathologies involved (e.g. nearly-full or corrupted file systems), then *probably* there is a hardware problem involved.
Look, I get it. Plenty of folks just want to use their device, not worry about details, and have it work as if it were mint. And they want it to behave that way even after customization (adding random apps). But practical experience with a wide variety of computing devices reveals that performance problems always hinge on details - sometimes incredibly tiny and obscure details. Those "details" can be any number of things - "soft" (correctable) hardware defects, bugs in the OS software, user software that is installed, all sorts of stuff. And even for technically sophisticated users isolating the root cause can be difficult. Until some detective work has occurred, there is no justification to place the blame on any specific component.
BTW, I know how frustrating it can be. My old Android phone (rooted, OC'ed & CM 7 ROM) currently can not be operated with both the messaging app and launcher app locked in memory (It only has 190 MB of RAM!). So I get to choose between losing text messages or waiting 15 seconds !!! for the launcher app to repaint the first home screen after leaving a resource-hungry foreground app such as Maps or the Browser. If I try and set up the Android LMK to do aggressive memory reclaim, the device will occasionally enter a "thrash of death" where the LMK is killing off threads as fast as they are generated - and the whole device will go frozen for minutes at a time. So, yeah, I get the frustration.
That of course is indeed "my fault". I could go back to a factory stock ROM (Eclair w/ HTC Sense - ugh). But I don't want to. I want certain features, and I want certain apps, too. You might claim that's not comparable to a user having a stock ROM device with a whole bunch of market apps installed; but until those apps can be cleared of suspicion, blame cannot conclusively be laid anywhere.
It is what it is. Computers that do not exhibit load dependent performance problems do not exist. That doesn't make things anybody's "fault" - but it is highly unlikely that Google (or Apple, whomever) is going to send someone over to your house to figure out what goes on with your tablet.
So, moaning about a problem on the internet might make someone feel better for a few minutes, but at the end of those few minutes, the problem(s) will still be there.
And BTW I completely get it that if I were to be having a performance issue on my tablet, and I wanted to clear my 72 market apps from suspicion, it would take me as many as log2(72) ~= 7 binary bisection trials (remove half of apps each trial) to finger a suspect or clear them all from suspicion). Pain in the rear to be sure; but it wouldn't be any less work on a different device - Apple, Asus, HTC, Moto, Samsung, whatever. And if it were an intermittent problem? It might take a huge effort to isolate the cause. Way longer amounts of time than simply ignoring a second or two of hesitation in the UI.
But the OP created this thread in the General section, not the Help / Q & A section; was he even interested in getting help?
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I too feel this way since 4.2 update. I'm stock unrooted with 7gb free of storage.
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Try rooting your device, install lagfix.
From the comments in the article linked by Op, should help.
I did not try myself since I'm not having these issues.
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Phenryth said:
Try rooting your device, install lagfix.
From the comments in the article linked by Op, should help.
I did not try myself since I'm not having these issues.
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Werd. Lagfix made my 7 feel like new again. I scheduled it to run once a week and haven't had any problems since then.
Phenryth said:
Try rooting your device, install lagfix.
From the comments in the article linked by Op, should help.
I did not try myself since I'm not having these issues.
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Lagfix does fasttrim command but many kernals nowadays do that already so the effect could be placebo unless you are on the kernel that doesn't fasttrim well.
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Compared to say the S5, or Note 4 ?
I was shocked last weekend when my friends and I had some bbq afternoon... All 10 of them had a shiny iphone 6 !
Mind you these people don't know sh ite about rooting and stuff like that, they just take pictures and post them on instagram and sh itbook, even my cousin and her husband... am I the only one who loves Android and Samsung? or they have not seen the light yet????
Lol. I just look at the sheeple and laugh.
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Mind you, these are the same people that will take their laptop to an "expert" when they have a virus.
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[/COLOR]Mind you, these are the same people that will take their laptop to an "expert" when they have a virus.
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exactly right, they abuse me when they get a virus on their laptop...
iPhones are just popular because they are easy to use and are updated often and quickly. It's a painless process to upload your music, movies and photos. iOS has a huge app library with very nice quality apps. The phones look great and perform well. Using one iPhone means you pretty much know how to use any iPhone. This is unlike Android where music management is a nightmare. The Play store is flooded with low quality apps and poor support. Using one Android phone means you know nothing about all the other Android phones. In short, to the non tech geek iPhones are the go-to. They are popular because they are easy to use. It also helps that Apples products are usually a status symbol.
The downside to not having Android is your limited in customization of ROMs or kernels. That doesn't mean you can't customize iOS. You just can't go as far as you can with Android.
Android Phones gives you more freedom.
Apple iPhones gives you less headaches.
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iPhones are just popular because they are easy to use and are updated often and quickly. It's a painless process to upload your music, movies and photos. iOS has a huge app library with very nice quality apps. The phones look great and perform well. Using one iPhone means you pretty much know how to use any iPhone. This is unlike Android where music management is a nightmare. The Play store is flooded with low quality apps and poor support. Using one Android phone means you know nothing about all the other Android phones. In short, to the non tech geek iPhones are the go-to. They are popular because they are easy to use. It also helps that Apples products are usually a status symbol.
The downside to not having Android is your limited in customization of ROMs or kernels. That doesn't mean you can't customize iOS. You just can't go as far as you can with Android.
Android Phones gives you more freedom.
Apple iPhones gives you less headaches.
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Could not have said that better IPhone is perfect when you just want the phone that works without much hassle. Android is perfect when you love tweaking and playing with your phone and not actually use it that much Because with a android you are never satisfied, there is always something more to tweak, change rom and other stuff so for me it always ends with just messing with it. To much time tweaking and flashing to find the perfect setup
Although the tweaking and flashing is a massive plus with Android for me, an even bigger plus is the ability to download files like mp3s and pdfs etc from the net or a torrent and play them straight away. With IOS you can't. Android is much more like a true mini pc compared to IOS. That's why I could never go back to IOS.
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Although the tweaking and flashing is a massive plus with Android for me, an even bigger plus is the ability to download files like mp3s and pdfs etc from the net or a torrent and play them straight away. With IOS you can't. Android is much more like a true mini pc compared to IOS. That's why I could never go back to IOS.
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Oh yeah, the mp3 download is a big factor for me. My friends ask me where I buy music. I said it's free and I use my phone, and showed a friend once... he just kept quiet. If you reverse the situation, I'm sure they'd be bragging.
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Oh yeah, the mp3 download is a big factor for me. My friends ask me where I buy music. I said it's free and I use my phone, and showed a friend once... he just kept quiet. If you reverse the situation, I'm sure they'd be bragging.
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you dont have to buy anything
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you dont have to buy anything
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Yep it's called stealing ....
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Ive a app called xender which sends all the mp3 & videos from android to iphone without any hassle otherwise I would have said bye bye iphone.I think iphone should reduce some restrictions,would gather more android users.
What do you guys think?
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RISHI RAJ said:
Ive a app called xender which sends all the mp3 & videos from android to iphone without any hassle otherwise I would have said bye bye iphone.I think iphone should reduce some restrictions,would gather more android users.
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Me, NOT at the moment. I am so used to android, just like my PC vs Mac, and my Canon DSLR vs Nikon...
But time will tell, now that Samsung started rolling phones that have irreplaceable battery and no SD card support...
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Yep it's called stealing ....
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Nope i meant it goes same for both os.
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Nope i meant it goes same for both os.
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Given the way the OP phrased his post - I think we were both accurate But yes you are right. There are plenty of people accessing content they haven't paid for on iOS too.
as an ex-iphone user (went from S1 to iphone 4 then iphone 5, back to S3 and every samsung since then) i have a similar view on them.
iPhones are simple to understand - not simple to use. there is always one way to do something, and thats it.
For many people thats preferable to feeling like an idiot when there is 10 ways to do something. go to android and watch a movie "oh it didnt work" - you tell them to try BS player or MX player and they just throw their hands in the air, because the built in video player is holy and sacred.
The reason for the simplicity is simple: On apple, every last thing is designed to come from itunes, and be played by the apple stock apps. there is one source to get the content, one app to play them, and the only thing that seperates the users is how much money you have to throw at the apple ecosystem - once someone has spent a few hundred bucks on iTunes content they'll never leave, because they add that value to offset the cost of a new phone. $900 iphone? pfft,i have $2K in iTunes, it might as well be free!"
on android, you can buy them from a dozen sources, pirate them, copy them from your PC - and you have infinite playback options. its simply too complex for people who bought the phone without knowing *WHY* they bought that phone, since they dont use most of its capabilities anyway. These are the common iSheep, the people who bought it because it's cool and looks fancy, but use it like a nokia.
Everyone i've converted from apple to samsung has followed the same path as well "why? this does the same things as my iphone, but the iphone is prettier and has itunes" - they do a direct comparison without even considering what the phone can do BEYOND the iphones capabilities. Showing them the S-pen, or directly playing files off my NAS/PC over wifi, or MHL/HDMI, or the note 4's super fast charging blows them away.
the iphone is the baseline, and they're so used to having just ONE choice that when presented with two or three or 10, they simply treat all the options as the same.
"i hate android" means "i used one android phone once, and they're all the same right?" - this also goes for themes, keyboards, stock apps and so on.
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they're so used to having just ONE choice that when presented with two or three or 10, they simply treat all the options as the same. "i hate android" means "i used one android phone once, and they're all the same right?"
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Pretty much. I was really over whelmed when I came back to Android. I was used to things just working out of the box. Now I have to rebuild my music collection from Google Play as that is eaiser then attempting to transfer from iTunes. Took a few days before I got the hang of flashing and building from source. Things have changed as if you keep in mind my iPhone is now just a really expensive GameBoy Advance and remote. My Note 4 is my daily driver.
So, on iPhone there is no proper PGP support, no NFC APIs (so no support for secure tokens such as Yubikey, or even NFC tags), no low level network APIs (so you can't implement your own protocol, such as OpenVPN).... (I could go on and on)
It seems like a no-go to me, it is pretty much locked down as well, even though you actually purchased the device you can't do anything on it that's not endorsed by Apple, that's why I strayed away from the iPhone in the first place (I used to own an iPhone 3GS, that's until I swiched to android and never came back).
As someone that works in IT, and need to handle sensitive data, iOS is just not the system for me.
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As someone that works in IT, and need to handle sensitive data, iOS is just not the system for me.
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But that's the thing of course. If you work in IT, you most probably want an android. However if you don't know sh*t about IT, which 98% of the people don't, an iphone really might be the better option. You dont have to worry about battery drains, wakelocks, background apps running, viruses, etc. It just does what it's supposed to do when a monkey operates it.
But if you're in IT, you most likely want to do some more stuff, go more in depth and then Android is clearly the OS of choice.
I like iphone coz everybody knows when u have an iphone.But you have to tell that you have a Note 4 coz there are hell lot of samsung mobile with similar looks.Also there is atleast 1 year surity that apple will not release another phone with similar looks.Also with some restrictions removed like access to files or install from external source could make apple on top.But guess this is how ios will be.Although I can now play movies & songs from external source by an app called xender atleast making it usable
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For me is simple, if I use iPhone I will become dump, if I use android I will be generous because android is for geek not for dump. Yes lol most of the people use apple iPhone but they are totally useless in technology. There are a lot of iPhone user who even don't know simple problems in smart phone world. My company have a lot of previous ios user try to use android and return back to iPhone because very simple problem in android (simple problem for android user) is bothering them, that android user can solve the problem in just few second. I have a lot of friends using iPhone and always come to me with some simple problem I just laugh and says only one word..... useless guys. They always says iPhone is very smart.. ha ha.. i always says ..yes you are dump and go study first.
I am not insulting them, I just want them to not blind and open eye, Technology is changing, iPhone is good but not perfect, android is good but not for normal user same as window phone.
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For me is simple, if I use iPhone I will become dump, if I use android I will be generous because android is for geek not for dump. Yes lol most of the people use apple iPhone but they are totally useless in technology. There are a lot of iPhone user who even don't know simple problem problem in smart phone world. My company have a lot of previous ios user try to use android and return back to iPhone because very simple problem in android (simple problem for android user) is bothering them, that android user can solve the problem in just few second. I have a lot of friends using iPhone and always come to me with some simple problem I just laugh and says only one word..... useless guys. They always says iPhone is very smart.. ha ha.. i always says ..yes you are dump and go study first.
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I do not intend to be rude, but in english the word dump means something different to the way you are using it. Perhaps you meant the word dumb?
I tried searching google, amazon, and this forum. No dice.
Anyone heard of a case for note8 that is both decent and also has some kind of physical slider for the camera?
I've only found one online, and its only for junk iphones lol.
Figured I'd ask. Thanks!
This is more gay than everything else that has ever been gay before for a phone accessory. Just my 2 cents... :laugh:
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This is more gay than everything else that has ever been gay before for a phone accessory. Just my 2 cents... :laugh:
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Noted.
However, it is more gay having some fat dude spying on yourthrough your selfie cam unknowingly while you are getting dressed/naked.
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Noted.
However, it is more gay having some fat dude spying on yourthrough your selfie cam unknowingly while you are getting dressed/naked.
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If someone can see you through the phone's cameras, you have bigger issues then some fat dude seeing your junk.
I can't see any photos on this thread
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This is more gay than everything else that has ever been gay before for a phone accessory. Just my 2 cents... [emoji23]
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You need to be more in line with your verbiage. Gay is not a politically correct word to use these days. I'm thinking using the word " so hetro", as opposed to so gay. Thoughts?
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That is actually a good idea. I don't see why case manufacturers don't include this in their case designs as it would add another layer of protection to camera sensor.
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However, it is more gay having some fat dude spying on yourthrough your selfie cam unknowingly while you are getting dressed/naked.
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There is absolutely no way, and I mean zero, someone could be looking at you through your selfie cam without you knowing.
Firstly, when the screen is off, the device cuts the feed to the camera. You can test this by using any number of apps that allow video calling and video call a friend using all of them and turn the screen off during the call. Your friend should report your video feed either freezing or going away entirely.
Secondly, and this is the most important one, the only way someone would be able to have access to your selfie cam is if you installed an app from some unknown source that grants someone access to use your selfie cam without your knowledge. And even then, you'd have to give the app permission to use the camera, first. Apps can't just start using your camera or your microphone without you knowing about it. They need explicit permission, first.
So, if this is a concern for you, go into all the apps in your app manager and turn off the camera permission for every app, except your camera. Or, hell, turn that off also, if you're scared Samsung is spying on you, like someone else on this forum is.
These devices aren't like Windows. You can't accidentally go onto a website and suddenly someone is using your webcam to look at you. Very nearly anything that happens on your device needs your explicit permission. They can't just take control of sensors or install apps willy-nilly without your knowledge.
Also, something someone said once about people sticking tape over their webcam on their laptops; let's say something like this actually happened. Your device is presumably laying on your desk or in your pocket for most of the day. So, for a good portion of the day, whomever is spying through your selfie cam will be looking at a ceiling or a dark pocket. The couple of times that you are using your device, all they'll be looking at is your face, looking at your screen. They can't see what you're doing or looking at, only your face. Why would someone want to hack your device just to look at your face for 5 minutes, a couple of times a day and look at the ceiling the rest of the day (this is assuming also they can access the camera while the device's screen is off, which they can't. So, essentially they'll be looking at a blank camera feed and staring at their monitor all day for that hopeful chance they'll catch you checking your email for 2 minutes, which won't help them anything, again, as all they'll see is your face and not what you're doing).
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No need to be so paranoid about anyone spying on you. Trust me, your life isn't that interesting and the ceiling of your work place isn't either.
Max_Terrible said:
There is absolutely no way, and I mean zero, someone could be looking at you through your selfie cam without you knowing.
Firstly, when the screen is off, the device cuts the feed to the camera. You can test this by using any number of apps that allow video calling and video call a friend using all of them and turn the screen off during the call. Your friend should report your video feed either freezing or going away entirely.
Secondly, and this is the most important one, the only way someone would be able to have access to your selfie cam is if you installed an app from some unknown source that grants someone access to use your selfie cam without your knowledge. And even then, you'd have to give the app permission to use the camera, first. Apps can't just start using your camera or your microphone without you knowing about it. They need explicit permission, first.
So, if this is a concern for you, go into all the apps in your app manager and turn off the camera permission for every app, except your camera. Or, hell, turn that off also, if you're scared Samsung is spying on you, like someone else on this forum is.
These devices aren't like Windows. You can't accidentally go onto a website and suddenly someone is using your webcam to look at you. Very nearly anything that happens on your device needs your explicit permission. They can't just take control of sensors or install apps willy-nilly without your knowledge.
Also, something someone said once about people sticking tape over their webcam on their laptops; let's say something like this actually happened. Your device is presumably laying on your desk or in your pocket for most of the day. So, for a good portion of the day, whomever is spying through your selfie cam will be looking at a ceiling or a dark pocket. The couple of times that you are using your device, all they'll be looking at is your face, looking at your screen. They can't see what you're doing or looking at, only your face. Why would someone want to hack your device just to look at your face for 5 minutes, a couple of times a day and look at the ceiling the rest of the day (this is assuming also they can access the camera while the device's screen is off, which they can't. So, essentially they'll be looking at a blank camera feed and staring at their monitor all day for that hopeful chance they'll catch you checking your email for 2 minutes, which won't help them anything, again, as all they'll see is your face and not what you're doing).
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No need to be so paranoid about anyone spying on you. Trust me, your life isn't that interesting and the ceiling of your work place isn't either.
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And yet, my question still stands and I still am looking for a case like this.
Thanks for the reply and information sir.
But the question is why? Lol. If it was a major concern wouldn't you think case manufacturing companies would jump on the chance to make a quick buck off people's paranoia? They would be offering all sorts of microphone blockers, cameras covers, etc..
luisramon17 said:
But the question is why? Lol. If it was a major concern wouldn't you think case manufacturing companies would jump on the chance to make a quick buck off people's paranoia? They would be offering all sorts of microphone blockers, cameras covers, etc..
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Exactly this.
cricketpaddleinmyhand said:
And yet, my question still stands and I still am looking for a case like this.
Thanks for the reply and information sir.
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Just buy any case, cutout a piece of paper, paint it if you would like, stick upper side of the paper to the case and thats it.
Idc if some fat dude is watching me. I always leave my phone upside down and also i dont use dex station so no way of anyone seeing me.
Also go ahead and test it yourself, open a videocall in whatsapp, when you turn the screen of the feed will freeze. If you still dont want to leave it as is, try the method i gave, works everytime. Or simply you can 3d print a case for yourself.
All that noise. If can be done in any way it is being done. You public schooled parrots.
To those of you that state it cannot be done or you have nothing to worry about you are VERY wrong. It happens all the time and doesn't take much to be able to infiltrate someones personal phone and turn on the mic or any of the cameras and apps WITHOUT alerting the end user(Yes that means even if the screen is off). Its a fairly common practice, so much so that those in my line of work that take it seriously buy the Vysk QS1 Quantum Security Case. The Vysk takes it a step further and also encrypts your phone calls. Information security is no joke and is rampant in the corporate espionage world. What the OP is looking for is a basic version of the Vysk that only blocks the cameras I think that is a great move and you should too. If you do not congratulations you been dumbed down and made so docile that you believe the world is all rainbows and fairytales. lol OP if you cannot afford the Vysk do what I used to do and tape the cameras with a small dot of electrical tape. Also to you entrepreneurial types, there is a market for camera blocking phone cases. Get on it!!!!
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Also, OP forgot to mention there is a cheap alternative for the mic as well it's called Mic-Lock. There are also small webcam/phone cam sliders that are sold on Amazon just search webcam cover slider. And as another FYI your phone continues to gather data whether it is off or in airplane mode or not. The gyros and all the sensors are actually dialed up in when the phone is in airplane mode and caches all info recorded. As soon as it connects to a tower the cache is sent over to the servers. This is not science fiction or a conspiracy theory it is fact! Whether you choose to believe it or not. So much so that VIP's in many industries carry around portable dead boxes or what you would call a faraday cage to prevent information from exiting or entering the phone during closed-door meetings. You are right in worrying about your privacy OP as everyone should be....
Juice56 said:
blah blah blah smartphone conspiracy
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OK just for clarification, why get a bloody smartphone in the first place........ I mean the only vibe I get from your post is to never get a smartphone, actually even a cell phone might be exposing yourself to unwanted "privacy intrusion", actually scratch that, the internet is a big flaming heap of privacy intrusion...... I hear foil makes for an excellent Faraday cage
SteelPicori said:
OK just for clarification, why get a bloody smartphone in the first place........ I mean the only vibe I get from your post is to never get a smartphone, actually even a cell phone might be exposing yourself to unwanted "privacy intrusion", actually scratch that, the internet is a big flaming heap of privacy intrusion...... I hear foil makes for an excellent Faraday cage
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hahahaha always with the tin foil labels. Jest all you want brother but in my industry and many other information security is no joke. So much so that it has grown to 100 billion dollar A YEAR industry. The numbers and security methods do not lie. If it wasn't an issue I wouldn't have a job right now.
Don't take my word for it, do your own independent research or don't and trust the bought and paid publications of your choice. I cannot post links due to me just joining this forum but if you search "Forbes Information security growth" you will see the industry went from 75B a year in 2015 to 124B in 2019. Click the second search result to read the article. Educate yourself instead of throwing out labels when you know absolutely nothing about the topic.
Juice56 said:
Educate yourself instead of throwing out labels when you know absolutely nothing about the topic.
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Always interesting when this is thrown out, look I do not doubt that infosec is a big thing, not only on a commercial level but on a national level too, I am all too aware of how unguarded our national infrastructure is. There are without doubts individuals and organisations who can easily compromise any given assests in our possession.
It is a game is acceptable risk, that is, I do not believe myself to be a valuable enough target, that they might expose themselves to detection, just for a bunch of compromising media on me, I mitigate some of this risk by following smart internet usage and not leaving anything that maybe valuable on an expose attack surface.
So again I will ask, because you did not answer, why get a smartphone given how large of an attack surface such a device pose, or indeed even use the internet.
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To those of you that state it cannot be done or you have nothing to worry about you are VERY wrong.
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Me, myself, am not too concerned about this. There is nothing, anyone can learn from hacking my camera or my mic. Firstly, they will notice my phone lays on my desk for a large part of the day and they will be staring at the ceiling, or the inside of my pocket. As far the mic is concerned, they'll only hear the radio station I prefer to listen to and sometimes the podcasts I listen to. As far as conversation, English isn't my native language, so they'll only hear me talking in a foreign language which they most likely won't understand, and even if they do, it will by and large be about my work, which is electrical repairs. I doubt them hearing me promising a client his board will be ready in 2 days, will be all that interesting.
Then of course, there is also the matter if they were happening to stream video or audio data from my device, I would notice very quickly, as my data bundles will run out very fast and I will notice the bandwidth traffic on my device, as I also have network traffic monitoring apps on my device so I can see which apps are the data hogs.
This is one thing conspiracy theorists never consider, is that it's not like in the movies where this information is streamed in real time with no means of noticing it. It would require an internet connection and needs to transfer large amounts of data. People on limited packages will notice their data running out very quickly, or if the person has a slow connection, they certainly won't be able to stream HD footage from a mobile device.
It might be possible to do the things you speak of, but it certainly won't be inconspicuous.
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So again I will ask, because you did not answer, why get a smartphone given how large of an attack surface such a device pose, or indeed even use the internet.
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Assumptions.... I personally have a dumb phone but I am required to have a smartphone for work which is always in its vysk case that was included due to my works security measures. They are pricey! So if you are looking to purchase one yourself be prepared to pay to play.
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Assumptions.... I personally have a dumb phone but I am required to have a smartphone for work which is always in its vysk case that was included due to my works security measures. They are pricey! So if you are looking to purchase one yourself be prepared to pay to play.
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Never made any assumptions, just did not notice your recommendation to the OP to forego his smartphone and get a standard cell phone (which are by no means any less secure given that even modern feature phones also runs on some OS or other that probably can parse java applets). I always thought that infosec would be using phones similar to the blackphone and call it a day.