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So after 2 awful years with a first gen Blackberry storm I decided to make the jump to android with the captivate. Originally I was holding out for the Nexus S as I really wanted a vanilla Android experience (I have a deep hatred for bloatware) but unfortunately around where I live it appears Verizon and AT&T are the only ways to go if you want any sort of decent coverage.
Anyways, I've been doing a bunch of research and watching videos the past week I've decided to flash either Perception (build 8) or Cognition (probably 2.3b6) and am leaning towards P8 as of now. I am wondering how much of these ROMs is vanilla android.
I realize from what I've read/watch that the touchwiz launcher is removed in both of these roms as well as the AT&T bloatware, but is much of the other base applications such as mail, media player, etc is still the samsung apps?
Basically, I'm wondering how close to vanilla android will the launcher/interface be with one of these Roms (obviously the roms include some additional apps, I guess I mean just the basic functionality/interface).
Also, is there a major difference between running a rom such as Perception or Cog opposed to simply unlocking/lag fixing and removing bloatware as far as general speed and lag. I know these roms are using leaked Froyo firmware opposed to the stock eclair I would have if I did not flash, but I'm curious how big of a leap in performance it is.
Thanks for the responses, hopefully my questions make sense, my captivates not coming till Monday (bought it through Amazon wireless) and I've been reading random android forums seemingly nonstop.
extragoodcat said:
So after 2 awful years with a first gen Blackberry storm I decided to make the jump to android with the captivate. Originally I was holding out for the Nexus S as I really wanted a vanilla Android experience (I have a deep hatred for bloatware) but unfortunately around where I live it appears Verizon and AT&T are the only ways to go if you want any sort of decent coverage.
Anyways, I've been doing a bunch of research and watching videos the past week I've decided to flash either Perception (build 8) or Cognition (probably 2.3b6) and am leaning towards P8 as of now. I am wondering how much of these ROMs is vanilla android.
I realize from what I've read/watch that the touchwiz launcher is removed in both of these roms as well as the AT&T bloatware, but is much of the other base applications such as mail, media player, etc is still the samsung apps?
Basically, I'm wondering how close to vanilla android will the launcher/interface be with one of these Roms (obviously the roms include some additional apps, I guess I mean just the basic functionality/interface).
Also, is there a major difference between running a rom such as Perception or Cog opposed to simply unlocking/lag fixing and removing bloatware as far as general speed and lag. I know these roms are using leaked Froyo firmware opposed to the stock eclair I would have if I did not flash, but I'm curious how big of a leap in performance it is.
Thanks for the responses, hopefully my questions make sense, my captivates not coming till Monday (bought it through Amazon wireless) and I've been reading random android forums seemingly nonstop.
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I always click thanks button before quote button now! Oh well.
I know cognition has twlauncher, not sure about perception (I don't remember..)
All custom ROMs have bloatware removed at your convenience. I'd say froyo is definitely faster. Either voodoo lagfix from xcal's kernel or lagfix from SetiroN's kernel gives a big performance increase. Cognition is based on a captivate rom whereas perception is based on an i9000 ROM.
No ROMs right now provide complete vanilla experience. I believe I read it somewhere that the Galaxy S line devices use rfs loops whereas usual android uses ext and this causes a problem for devs to port over vanilla android or other skins like HTC Sense. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong?) As of currently all the stable ROMs are based on froyo leaks with captivate, vibrant, or i9000.
I've tried many variations with stock roms, rooted, lag fixed etc. I currently use the cognition rom, latest one. It is much faster and better than the stock. It has voodoo lagfix built in. I haven't tried p8, because I like the cognition so well. I definately recommend giving cognition a try. I was also going to try Axura, but haven't for the same reason.
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Try Assonance or Axura. IMO they're more vanilla than Cognition or Perception.
Thanks for all the info all.
Honestly I haven't even looked into assonance or axura, are they as stable as Cog/Perception?
quarlow, when you say you use the latest version of Cog do you mean b6 or b7? I know b7 just came out a day or two ago. I'd stick with the non-oc versions, seems like they tend to have alot less issues from what I've read.
My bad, I'm using b6, I didn't know there was already another version. Yeah ... I don't do the oc thing. I have a hard enough time between charges without adding oc. It really is screaming fast already.
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Honestly I haven't even looked into assonance or axura, are they as stable as Cog/Perception?
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I haven't really tried Cognition or Perception, but I've tried both Axura and Assonance and both ROMs seemed really stable.
ah jeez, now that I've been looking into it, I think I'm gonna go with assonance. Seems like its alot more stable than either Cog/Perception from what people are saying.
Just curious though, how fast/smooth does it run? Compared to stock and/or Cog/Perception?
Axura gets my vote
Stable and fast without needing to overclock
Need to use google voice for vm notifications though
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All 2.2 Roms are smooth and fast compared to stock. Assonance will be your most vanilla (least amount of Samsung apps). Auxura is heavily themed and no where near vanilla. Plus it's based off of leaked Vibrant and I'm not a big fan (though I'm definitely in the minority here). Personal favorite is di11igaf's Rom. It is also heavily themed, but all themes can be changed and it works the best as far as functionality (my opinion, of course).
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All 2.2 Roms are smooth and fast compared to stock. Assonance will be your most vanilla (least amount of Samsung apps). Auxura is heavily themed and no where near vanilla. Plus it's based off of leaked Vibrant and I'm not a big fan (though I'm definitely in the minority here). Personal favorite is di11igaf's Rom. It is also heavily themed, but all themes can be changed and it works the best as far as functionality (my opinion, of course).
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I'll second this. di11igaf's ROM is the most stable and fastest I've used. It might not be "vanilla" since it is themed, but the dark theme on it is so nice. You'll like it. I've flashed this for friends at work and they all love it and they have no more forced close issues, whereas they complained frequently about FCs with Cognition.
If you don't mind beta software, CyanogenMod is the best. It's actually built from AOSP code, with only Samsung drivers. All the other custom roms are just modified versions of the stock rom/leaked rom.
I run perception 8 with gingerbread theme and vanilla apps injected in place of sammy ones... so I kinda feel like im running gingerbread
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I haven't tried any of them yet, but it seems 2.2 or 2.3 or 3.0 have issues or are rough around the edges. It's understandable with honeycomb, but I thought by now there might have been a solid, stable 2.2 or 2.3.
Not complaining, but just thought something would be better than the stock 2.1 by this point. I was hoping for a speed increase with 2.2+ as there are some android git optimizations that 2.1 lacks, but yet I read that 2.1 for nc is still the most responsive.
Many people have reported much better bechmark scores with 2.2 and 2.3, and overall the feeling from those who run 2.2 or 2.3 is that they are more snappy than the stock 2.1. So far as being faster, the custom builds are probably generally better.
However, in terms of stability and compatibility it is my humble opinion that the stock 2.1 is still the winner. The CM7 build of 2.3 is getting pretty close, but still lacks some pretty important features. They will get there eventually...probably pretty soon....but I actually use my device quite heavily (at home and for work) and don't want to have to deal with 'minor' issues on a daily basis. I think that the Froyo build is going to fall out of favor - the CM7 build is better, more updated, and much more supported by the CM7 team with nightly builds. I am not sure about Honeycomb...haven't heard any real updates there in a while.
I am waiting for most of the wrinkles to get worked out for the CM7 version of 2.3. They do great work and if past performance is any indication once they get a solid and stable build it will be hard to beat. For now, my overclocked version of 2.1 does everything I want, is extremely stable, has very few software compatibility problems, and is certainly fast enough.
Thanks for the reply. You say the froyo build is probably going to fall out of favour over the cm7 build. Isn't the cm7 build based on froyo?
CM7 build is based on Gingerbread.
CM7 is based on 2.3 which is Gingerbread (Froyo is 2.2)
Confusingly, the upcoming 2.4 is also Gingerbread (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history)
EDIT: What he said! ^
As of this time, for day to day stable use, stock rooted. That's my opinion. Too many quirks and resets and "can't boot again" and other misc stuff that seems to randomly happen on the rest.
That'll change eventually, hopefully soonish, I would really love me some solid Froyo.
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I think that the Froyo build is going to fall out of favor - the CM7 build is better, more updated, and much more supported by the CM7 team with nightly builds.
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But right now the Froyo build is where its at. CM7 lacks working Youtube among other things. With the current Froyo build you get speed, working Youtube, and many working apps.
Stock rooted has no Flash correct? I think I'll be waiting until CM7 is finalized before I start rooting anything.
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But right now the Froyo build is where its at. CM7 lacks working Youtube among other things. With the current Froyo build you get speed, working Youtube, and many working apps.
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I have plenty of speed on 2.1 overclocked at 1.1ghz, my YouTube works just fine (the app that is), and I have yet to find an app I want that doesn't work that would work on Froyo.
Yes...no Flash...but from what I have heard the Flash on Froyo is far from perfect...a bit choppy at best. Actually, no Flash is not quite correct...there is an older version of Flash that runs on 2.1 (Flash 9.something)...so you can veiw some older Flash content on the stock Eclair.
To each their own...
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Many people have reported much better bechmark scores with 2.2 and 2.3, and overall the feeling from those who run 2.2 or 2.3 is that they are more snappy than the stock 2.1.
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It amazes me that people say this. Not saying they are wrong, I just wonder what magic nooks they are using that I don't have.
I've tried two different cards (a class 4 and a class 10, which really is class 10 fast) on two different nooks (mine and my wife's) and almost a dozen different install attempts of 0.6.7. and 0.6.8 and they have all been less "snappy".
It took me quite awhile to even get decent wifi speeds, and I still don't know what I did differently to get it right on the last install (different cards, different nooks, different wifi routers, clear-market-caching and clear-framework-data-ing till I'm blue in the face didn't do it).
I get back on my rooted BN1.1 eclair and breath a sigh of relief at the improved responsiveness and usability. Does anyone know what the secret sauce is to get froyo to REALLY feel better?
That said, I'm more than happy with the 2.1 nook; it's a great tablet and loads of fun. The dev community is fantastic and I've had a ball with all of the experimentation. Keep it up!
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I have plenty of speed on 2.1 overclocked at 1.1ghz, my YouTube works just fine (the app that is), and I have yet to find an app I want that doesn't work that would work on Froyo.
Yes...no Flash...but from what I have heard the Flash on Froyo is far from perfect...a bit choppy at best. Actually, no Flash is not quite correct...there is an older version of Flash that runs on 2.1 (Flash 9.something)...so you can veiw some older Flash content on the stock Eclair.
To each their own...
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Can I ask whether a 10-min youtube playback is choppy in your nc? Cause mine is choppy sometimes...
I tried nookie froyo and it was really slow. Stock rom is much faster and reliable. I've heard honeycomb runs much better than froyo. I've seen videos and it looks good. The only think i can complain about stock rom is the lack of flash player
I've tried stock rooted, sdcard froyo, and emmc froyo, and I've run into minor issues/flaws with all of them, but the current emmc froyo (for me, at least) has the least amount of problems and the speed over slow eclair and my class 4 sdcard made it worth flashing. It's currently my daily driver.
If/when official CM7 comes out with, I'll probably give it a whirl, but I'm happy with my froyo build right now.
Maybe it'll bite me eventually... But i just put froyo 2.2 on my nook, and it runs so much better off the internal memory
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Can I ask whether a 10-min youtube playback is choppy in your nc? Cause mine is choppy sometimes...
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I don't use YouTube much...but when I have used it I do not notice any problems. I am sure that it depends on the quality of the video, but I have played cartoon episodes that are several minutes long without any delays or playback problems.
swoozle said:
It amazes me that people say this. Not saying they are wrong, I just wonder what magic nooks they are using that I don't have.
I've tried two different cards (a class 4 and a class 10, which really is class 10 fast) on two different nooks (mine and my wife's) and almost a dozen different install attempts of 0.6.7. and 0.6.8 and they have all been less "snappy".
It took me quite awhile to even get decent wifi speeds, and I still don't know what I did differently to get it right on the last install (different cards, different nooks, different wifi routers, clear-market-caching and clear-framework-data-ing till I'm blue in the face didn't do it).
I get back on my rooted BN1.1 eclair and breath a sigh of relief at the improved responsiveness and usability. Does anyone know what the secret sauce is to get froyo to REALLY feel better?
That said, I'm more than happy with the 2.1 nook; it's a great tablet and loads of fun. The dev community is fantastic and I've had a ball with all of the experimentation. Keep it up!
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I agree on all accounts. I also have played with Froyo and Honeycomb on SD and have not personally seen the speed improvements others have reported. Perhaps it is better if installed to internal memory.
Definitely better installed to emmc. Been through Stock rooted, nookie 0.6.8, and HC. HC is sweet, softkeys and interface are great. but lack of key apps in the market is a bummer. nookie 0.6.8 ver 3 has been my everyday driver, no complaints over here.
I'm using cm7, nightly 7 and I like it better than stock. It does feel a bit snappier (but honestly I never had any issues with speed on rooted 2.1 so it could be in my head.) I know there's no DSP, but I don't plan on watching movies any time soon so that's fine for me. I like the UI alot...I like having built in copy/paste, I like having flash, and I like not having to worry about BN pushing out updates that could screw up my root. I'm only a few days into having used CM7, but as of now I'm really happy with my choice.
I've been running Honeycomb v4 2ed on a development Nook for awhile. I think it shows great potential! But the Nook I take with me is 1.1.0 with a 1.1ghz kernel. Fast, stable & very reliable.
I have to say. I'm really looking forward to seeing the Honeycomb AOSP drop! This thing is going to be Great.
I'm really enjoying stock 1.1 rooted. It has everything I could ask for in a value tablet and more. (Browsing, video, music, apps) The stability has been great...knock on wood. I was hell bent on buying an iPad before I purchased the nook color. I dont think I'll need an ipad, or anything else for that matter anymore.
I am currently running CM7 but I miss a lot of the custom themes from the devs. Also my battery life was better on the custom froyo builds. I do not see a large difference between froyo and gingerbread per say. There are no apps that require 2.3, at least that I am aware of and no major (there are some CM features that are nice) features that I see different.
So my question to everyone here is, Why gingerbread? What is special about it that would make it something to keep over the nicely tweaked and themed froyo builds? Is there behind the scene stuff that I am missing?
Honestly the main reason I flashed gingerbread was the lockscreen shut off and turn on animations hahaha. Some of the features on CM7 are very nice indeed, but I also feel like there isn't much that differs it from the froyo roms we have, apart from the ASOP experience. I already miss some of the useful features of the galaxy apps like the contacts and camera which are much more user friendly. I'm enjoying cm7 but I may soon flash back to something like Darky which is more tuned to my personal uses.
also wondering this. i flashed cm7 3/4 update then went back to firefly when 2.5 came out. firefly is my fav 2.2 rom. but i switched back to cm7 still miss a lot of features of 2.2, but i think once cm7 is a little farther along it will be awesome. for now its just fun being on gingerbread and stable.
Yeah... the screen off animation is uber lol. That prolly was one of the biggest initial draws for me. I never had a CM build either. I agree there are certain features from Sammy that are nice.
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Honestly the main reason I flashed gingerbread was the lockscreen shut off and turn on animations hahaha. Some of the features on CM7 are very nice indeed, but I also feel like there isn't much that differs it from the froyo roms we have, apart from the ASOP experience. I already miss some of the useful features of the galaxy apps like the contacts and camera which are much more user friendly. I'm enjoying cm7 but I may soon flash back to something like Darky which is more tuned to my personal uses.
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I've been running CM6 for a few months. I'm pretty happy with it but I wouldn't mind trying something new.
Is 2.3 worth trying? What advantages does it have over 2.2? Is it faster, have more useful features, does it look a lot cooler, etc? And which one do you guys recommend - AOSP's Gingerbread or CM7?
2.3 is way better than cm6! Its alot snappier and comes with more feautres.soaps is really nice since its a small build but with a big punch! Try it, you wont be dissapointed!
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I've been running CM6 for a few months. I'm pretty happy with it but I wouldn't mind trying something new.
Is 2.3 worth trying? What advantages does it have over 2.2? Is it faster, have more useful features, does it look a lot cooler, etc? And which one do you guys recommend - AOSP's Gingerbread or CM7?
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2.2 is pretty stable. If you want to run on the latest releases, hit the nightlies. That's what I'm on.
I am running Aosp 2.3.3 and it is so quick and smooth. Way better than CM 6.1
I tried CM7 for a few days, but like Aosp better.
Aosp 2.3 CM7 is the best thing to happen to the HeroC!
I was browsing the forum and saw a few questions for stock 2.3.3, so here's a Q&A for the stock 2.3.3 Rom.
Remember no question is a bad question.
NO flaming, namecalling...
Remember to include Kernal and modem in your problem description
Links:
KF1 "stock" Build. (NOTICE: not official but predicted to become official) http://hotfile.com/dl/121085939/d827808/I897UCKF1.rar.html
Odin will replace the I9000 bootloaders with the new captivate ones, which can be incompatible with I9000 roms. And I9000 bootloaders can be incompatible with captivate based roms.
I believe Heimdall will work without flashing bootloaders.
a guide on how to flash
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile...-3-gingerbread-firmware-on-samsung-captivate/
Will add more links later.
Some answered questions.
Can I flash a Froyo rom when I'm on Gingerbread?
Yes. Just remember to flash the kernal and rom at one time. Also make sure there is no bootloaders in the package.
Why does my screen turn black during a call?
It's a bug with gingerbread, place your finger on the proximity sensor and remove it to get a screen.
Can i flash Gingerbread from...
Yes
Why should I be worried about flashing gingerbread?
You shouldn't, the talk of bootloaders might make you anxious but just with any other rom you need to make sure that the files are in the right place and your USB cable stays in.
Reserve post to organize it better.
There is no "Stock Gingerbread" for the Cappy until AT$T/Samsung release it. What we have now are developed GB ROMS based on a released code base, but they are not stock for the Captivate. This thread title is confusing.
So I asked a question in another thread that I searched and hoped would be the appropriate place but the thread was closed with no explanation or direction??
So I did some more searching and I found this one next and ask a more simplistic question first.
I do not have a custom ROM so which thread would be appropriate to ask a question for a stock ROM? (I know technically 2.3.3 is not stock yet)
Why is there not a sticky thread for stock ROMs? i.e... Eclair Q&A, Froyo Q&A, Gingerbread Q&A
(p.s. the sub-forum specific search function is not working so I have to search through the entire forum for answers)
I looked in that other thread and I know atomic fusion is based on kf1.
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sepherian said:
I looked in that other thread and I know atomic fusion is based on kf1.
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I believe that Cognition 5 and Atomic fusion are the only KF1 based roms. (I know Cog has Audience chip support, not sure if Atomic fusion those)
I've got a quick question and I hope this is the right place for it...
I was using Continuum for a long time and like it very much; I tried the CM7 when it first came up in the beta and it definitely seemed to compromise usability for the sake of having 2.3. Is there any benefit to going 2.3 right now, are the ROMs stable??
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I've got a quick question and I hope this is the right place for it...
I was using Continuum for a long time and like it very much; I tried the CM7 when it first came up in the beta and it definitely seemed to compromise usability for the sake of having 2.3. Is there any benefit to going 2.3 right now, are the ROMs stable??
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All roms are stable. (all non-asop roms at least)
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bobgodd said:
I've got a quick question and I hope this is the right place for it...
I was using Continuum for a long time and like it very much; I tried the CM7 when it first came up in the beta and it definitely seemed to compromise usability for the sake of having 2.3. Is there any benefit to going 2.3 right now, are the ROMs stable??
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CM7 is pretty darn stable now also, specially if you use the rc1, it is VERY SMOOTH and pretty flawless, has great speed to, upload/download speeds are great, Everything works good now but some things may not be as good as other Samsung roms like battery life, but I have a spare battery and it is my daily driver. Cog5b3 is VERY stable, it is the leaked 2.3.3 MADE for our phones, it has GREAT sound quality using the phone but does not have the higher download/upload speeds (though they do not seem too bad), it is my backup phone and JUST WORKS GOOD. I have tried Continuum 2.3.3? and Apex 7.x and both are pretty stable but I would get some lag after a few days/week unless I was clearing cache and dalviche cache often, they are based off the i9000 roms so you will have better download/upload speeds but they don't use the audience chip. Either way they all perform better than froyo roms IMHO.
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bobgodd said:
I've got a quick question and I hope this is the right place for it...
I was using Continuum for a long time and like it very much; I tried the CM7 when it first came up in the beta and it definitely seemed to compromise usability for the sake of having 2.3. Is there any benefit to going 2.3 right now, are the ROMs stable??
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I can speak for Cog 5 and its actually very stable and good Battery life. Keep in mind Its still in Beta so its not finished. Each rom has their pros and cons up to you to figure out what cons you can live with.
RockRatt said:
CM7 is pretty darn stable now also, specially if you use the rc1, it is VERY SMOOTH and pretty flawless, has great speed to, upload/download speeds are great, Everything works good now but some things may not be as good as other Samsung roms like battery life, but I have a spare battery and it is my daily driver. Cog5b3 is VERY stable, it is the leaked 2.3.3 MADE for our phones, it has GREAT sound quality using the phone but does not have the higher download/upload speeds (though they do not seem too bad), it is my backup phone and JUST WORKS GOOD. I have tried Continuum 2.3.3? and Apex 7.x and both are pretty stable but I would get some lag after a few days/week unless I was clearing cache and dalviche cache often, they are based off the i9000 roms so you will have better download/upload speeds but they don't use the audience chip. Either way they all perform better than froyo roms IMHO.
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Just to update a few of your things. Continuum is now based on JVQ (2.3.4) in v6.1. Apex is up to JVQ also in v8.1. eXistZ has his Talon kernel up to 0.4.1 with voodoo sound and color. I have heard that some saw lag, but that has all but been eliminated (in continuum and apex, at least).