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Note as longterm developer phone?

Hi!
I'd like to know if it's reasonable to get a Note as developer phone for the next two years. (I'm noob to android, not to programming in general.)
I will need a more or less up to date android version. My (pessimistic) guess is that Samsung will upgrade the Note to JB and thats about it. There are some good roms out now and i wonder how the situation will be in one or two years. (Ver. 5.0?) Will the development community pick up where Samsung stops and continue to support the Note or will developers move on to newer phones?
Maybe someone can give me any insight on how much work is needed (was needed for ics) to port a new (minor/major) android version to a device or existing rom? (Anything between 1guy/1week and 4guys/4weeks?)
I know the usual answer is "get a Nexus" but I really like the big screen, thats why i have to ask.

Good to hear that one more person is coming into development of the GNote. Most Welcome. We are already hearing about the Chinese Jelly Bean leaks for Galaxy Note,then android keeps updating. But no matter what, we will have the devices and the development will move on. Hoping to see you soon.

I dont expect note to become developer device, better get a nexus for that
the nexus series are the first to be upgraded and build for developers
nothing beats the note in terms of screen thought
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I wouldnt expect this to have long term development either..Its the only negative I have about the phone but Im happy enough..
I'll be honest though I am pretty sure I'll get the next Nexus simply because development cant be beat that route.

as with all android devices the main dev base will always move on to newer devices when they upgrade, however im sure there will be for a good few years people sticking with the note after all main are locked into a contract or simply havnt the funds to buy a new devices when its released.
I for one will have my note for another 18 months or so, and look forward to using it solidly for deving, i have found it a great platform for app work/running linux/ROM development.
Of cause we dont know what the next big update of android will bring, it may mean that the note no longer has the power to run it etc but thats unlikely for some time (after all even the g1 'can' run ICS).

HansDB said:
I'd like to know if it's reasonable to get a Note as developer phone for the next two years. (I'm noob to android, not to programming in general.)
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If you want a developer phone, you really shouldn't consider anything other than a Nexus.
Whilst the Galaxy Nexus isn't exactly top drawer these days, it's still very good, and both it and the Nexus S will see Jelly Bean. Whilst I expect support for the Nexus S to drop off after Jelly Bean, the Galaxy Nexus should be good for at least the version after JB.
Regards,
Dave

[Q] Key Lime Pie

this Q is for the developers who work so hard to keep this phone alive....
Our phone yet doesnot have working JB (project butter not working..i have seen nAa's post about it)..you think it can support key lime pie with its full features?

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maybe if it's andoid 4.2 (nothing but improvements over jelly bean). if, however, it is 5.0 then it'll be hard to get it working.
hope you understand.

CnC-ROCK said:
this Q is for the developers who so hard to keep this phone alive....
Our phone yet doesnot have working JB (project butter not working..i have seen nAa's post about it)..you think it can support key lime pie with its full features?
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Since Sony released nothing really and the lack of some hardware it will never have true Jelly Bean. This is the same for updates beyond that.
So no full key lime pie experience. But there might be a close-to-KLP experience. Just wait and see.
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SMillerNL said:
Since Sony released nothing really and the lack of some hardware it will never have true Jelly Bean. This is the same for updates beyond that.
So no full key lime pie experience. But there might be a close-to-KLP experience. Just wait and see.
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Agreed.
If KLM turns out to be 5.0, then i seriously doubt our phones can handle it. But if it's the same as jb is to ics, then it's possible that we can have a "limited" version of it. Pretty much like the jb roms we have now.
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ok thanks......
pressed thanks for all
i think it is supposed to be 4.2

4.2 is supposed to be a minor update to Jellybean, sources say. So im guessing KLP wont be anytime soon.

RohinZaraki said:
4.2 is supposed to be a minor update to Jellybean, sources say. So im guessing KLP wont be anytime soon.
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KLP is to come by end of october some say with the new nexus series

We don't know nothing about KLP yet. What we have heard are just rumors, most of them proved to be a hoax. Who knows, maybe it is really a small upgrade to Jelly Bean, but, as we have seen, with every Android update, our phone is getting more and more "vulnerable".

Explain?
Why does it get more vulnerable?
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Right... Not the best word I've picked.
What I mean is that every new Android version requires more resources and/or better phone specs than the other. Our device is getting older and older by the day. We can't expect it to run every new Android version perfectly so we shouldn't keep our hopes high. It's a 2010 phone for God's sake
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Chris95X8 said:
Right... Not the best word I've picked.
What I mean is that every new Android version requires more resources and/or better phone specs than the other. Our device is getting older and older by the day. We can't expect it to run every new Android version perfectly so we shouldn't keep our hopes high. It's a 2010 phone for God's sake
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Yeah i think the x8 is not able to handle the new version with good performance!

Any progress in development?

I would like to know if there has been any progress in the development for this phone. Has there anything happened since the release of Jelly Bean? And how about the Kernel, is it still corrupted or are we going to see some cm10 or AOSP based roms soon?

Even though JB has just been released, some people are still waiting for their OTA updates.
Give it some time.
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The last thing that I read was that it would be time-consuming and sometimes difficult to port all those ARM-based ROMs to the RAZR i because the architecture is so different. The phone has been available for about 5 months now, if dev hasn't come along yet...
This doesn't create choice as dev does but at least the official firmware is being updated quickly enough, Jelly Bean after 5 months, not too bad, I'd say this phone is in a good place for Key Lime Pie...that may not seem like much until other phones get dumped by their manufacturers.

[Q] What is the situation of CyanogenMod?

CyanogenMod recently pushed out stables for CM10.2 on a select range of devices announcing that, with this, their efforts would be solely focused towards the CM11 code branches. However, they also announced that any devices which received that RC1 of CM10.2 would too continue into CM11.
My question, considering we are still unfortunate enough to be on somewhat unstable nightlies (the notification sound delay, UI issues, application crashes) is, what will be the future of CyanogenMod on the O4x? Will we even make it to stable CM10.2?
Hopefully we can! This is such a brilliant device as you all know well, and the hardware restrictions of KitKat are supposed to be lowered anyway
For clarification, this is not a complaint, the work of the CyanogenMod Team is always much appreciated. I, and so many of you, have donated and thanked them and tested their software for them. This is merely to gain an understanding of where our device is headed so as to aid everybody here in the decision of whether to stick with the device or, should worse come to worse.... look for another :-/

csfrank271 said:
CyanogenMod recently pushed out stables for CM10.2 on a select range of devices announcing that, with this, their efforts would be solely focused towards the CM11 code branches. However, they also announced that any devices which received that RC1 of CM10.2 would too continue into CM11.
My question, considering we are still unfortunate enough to be on somewhat unstable nightlies (the notification sound delay, UI issues, application crashes) is, what will be the future of CyanogenMod on the O4x? Will we even make it to stable CM10.2?
Hopefully we can! This is such a brilliant device as you all know well, and the hardware restrictions of KitKat are supposed to be lowered anyway
For clarification, this is not a complaint, the work of the CyanogenMod Team is always much appreciated. I, and so many of you, have donated and thanked them and tested their software for them. This is merely to gain an understanding of where our device is headed so as to aid everybody here in the decision of whether to stick with the device or, should worse come to worse.... look for another :-/
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probably no official CM11 for us, or 10.2 stable/rc, atleast in forseeable future. thankfully, we have some very skilled devs working on unofficial version of CM, & Vanir&Omni.

Flying_Bear said:
probably no official CM11 for us, or 10.2 stable/rc, atleast in forseeable future. thankfully, we have some very skilled devs working on unofficial version of CM, & Vanir&Omni.
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Thank you, I was just wondering about the state of the official ROMs, it seems like the P880 has been forgotten about by CM
But, as you say, we are very lucky to have these fantastic devs building even better custom ROMs

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probably no official CM11 for us, or 10.2 stable/rc, atleast in forseeable future. thankfully, we have some very skilled devs working on unofficial version of CM, & Vanir&Omni.
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If everything is working right we should be able to submit it to cyanogenmod to get our nightlies back, but im not 100% sure

JoinTheRealms said:
If everything is working right we should be able to submit it to cyanogenmod to get our nightlies back, but im not 100% sure
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Hopefully we can have the issues fixed
Can't wait to see the community development though, the new Android RunTime looks very fascinating :3

why dont u enter cyanogenmod and see with your eyes ? anyway. of course we dont see any support. its a miracle that we had that much support too. who will support a phone which doesnt even has the support of the official company ? LG only had 4.0.3 and 4.1.2 and thats all. isnt it already a miracle that we have 4.3.1 ? and we have also so many good developers that work for 4.4 ?

I don't understand why people want 4.4 so bad when it's one of the worst upgrades from Google i have ever seen. They had to launch 4.4.1 updates right away. You want a better software I agree thats needed but 4.4 isn't a solution.
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Zhus06 said:
I don't understand why people want 4.4 so bad when it's one of the worst upgrades from Google i have ever seen. They had to launch 4.4.1 updates right away. You want a better software I agree thats needed but 4.4 isn't a solution.
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Everyone wants KitKat because... Well, because it's new! Why not? I believe that pushing one's expectations beyond what is already achieved represents a strong impulse to improvement. Experimenting, trying new solutions, feeling the awesomeness of something that did not exist before is a powerful spring to the change, the change in itself is something that animates the developers and makes them work with no reward as if this was their job.
It has happened with all Android versions, and always there had been someone who felt amazed and wondered why should we need a new version.
kK can be (and probably is, but who am I to judge) one of the worst Android versions, but I am happy to see people trying to overcome all the problems related with making it work on a relatively old device, and I am happy if by testing what is being developed, and by giving my opinion I can be of some help to somebody.
Want to call it a game? Why not! Want to consider people like me as grown up kids that need something to play with? Well, yes, I am, and will always cheer a new Android version working on one of my devices with grateful heart.

Ricardo Cerqueira is no longer the maintainer of our device?
there is no one who will replace him?

It should be possible to join the CM team, if the 4.4 is running.
The tegra3 problems will hopefully not be a trap for it.
If there is a maintainer who can update CM once, there will be no real reason not to get official support.

Good news everybody!
On the CyanogenMod website, the P880 has been listed officially as one the devices to receive support further than the CM10.2 nightlies, which will be a win-win for everyone

Bye Bye CM !

DarkFantasy6 said:
Bye Bye CM !
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Why do you say that? :-/

csfrank271 said:
On the CyanogenMod website, the P880 has been listed officially as one the devices to receive support further than the CM10.2 nightlies, which will be a win-win for everyone
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I saw the latest list the have revealed now, this is great!!
Noticed though that they said MOST of the devices that have CM10.2 builds will move into CM11 nightly during the next weeks.. "Most" hopefully means the P880 as well!

faabak said:
I saw the latest list the have revealed now, this is great!!
Noticed though that they said MOST of the devices that have CM10.2 builds will move into CM11 nightly during the next weeks.. "Most" hopefully means the P880 as well!
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Yes, hopefully!
But hey, a stable CM10.2 would even be fantastic, the community devs would appreciate it surely

We never got the m1 and stable so i hardly belive it that we get cm11. And without a good 3.4 kernel source from lg we wont feeo many adventafes of 4.4. but the awesome awesome optic would be nice Maybe im going to buy a Nexus 5. Im so frustrated of my lg optimus 2x and 4x. ONE update -.-

MIUI

anyone seen this: http://gsminsider.com/2013/11/miui-android-4-4-kitkat-february-2014/
i know there is much hate on miui. i've used it in the past on other phones and it was not a bad experience.

Nice, looking forward to try out miui once it becomes available.
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I like MIUI and can't wait to try on my nexus5!
REKOGNÍZED KONYHABÚTOR

I'd like to see this working, but the last phone I owned that had a fully functional, non-buggy MIUI rom was the Samsung Fascinate back in 2011. Every other phone I've owned since then (roughly 6-7 devices) have had buggy, incomplete and/or barely usable MIUI roms. As much as I hate to say it, I feel like MIUI's time has come and gone.

maxpower7 said:
I'd like to see this working, but the last phone I owned that had a fully functional, non-buggy MIUI rom was the Samsung Fascinate back in 2011. Every other phone I've owned since then (roughly 6-7 devices) have had buggy, incomplete and/or barely usable MIUI roms. As much as I hate to say it, I feel like MIUI's time has come and gone.
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Hmm I never really ran into crazy bugs. The biggest issue is lack of device support, it can be a major pain the ass to get them to work on new devices.
It took forever for them to release for the nexus 4 but when they did it was pretty solid.
I hope they do release a build just so i can give it a shot, probably not a daily driver.

I have some bad news.
I'm a Chinese and I have talked with one of MIUI's employers this morning.
MIUI will officially support Nexus7(2013) running 4.4.X in the future but it will take a few months before official release. (I guess it's because of their MiPad)
Nexus 5 is not on the support list right now. (Sun Peng is always bluffing on Weibo) (And Nexus4's MIUI is supported by developers rather than MIUI)
MIUI will not release 4.4.x patchrom in the near future because only few devices running KitKat now.
So, I don't think there will be a MIUI patchrom for 4.4.X before Feb.

chyk35358 said:
I have some bad news.
I'm a Chinese and I have talked with one of MIUI's employers this morning.
MIUI will officially support Nexus7(2013) running 4.4.X in the future but it will take a few months before official release. (I guess it's because of their MiPad)
Nexus 5 is not on the support list right now. (Sun Peng is always bluffing on Weibo) (And Nexus4's MIUI is supported by developers rather than MIUI)
MIUI will not release 4.4.x patchrom in the near future because only few devices running KitKat now.
So, I don't think there will be a MIUI patchrom for 4.4.X before Feb.
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MIUI is the most useful ROM for Chinese guy, I can't wait trying it. :laugh:

maxpower7 said:
I'd like to see this working, but the last phone I owned that had a fully functional, non-buggy MIUI rom was the Samsung Fascinate back in 2011. Every other phone I've owned since then (roughly 6-7 devices) have had buggy, incomplete and/or barely usable MIUI roms. As much as I hate to say it, I feel like MIUI's time has come and gone.
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Yep, same here. I think the last bug free version of MIUI I ever experienced was the Virgin Mobile LG Optimus V, lol!
Then again, this is the first Nexus device I've owned after owning the S2 and S4, and I must say that this device is so much easier to mod than any other device, so we'll see.

mjs2011 said:
Yep, same here. I think the last bug free version of MIUI I ever experienced was the Virgin Mobile LG Optimus V, lol!
Then again, this is the first Nexus device I've owned after owning the S2 and S4, and I must say that this device is so much easier to mod than any other device, so we'll see.
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True. Honestly though, even a perfect MIUI rom isn't going to have a place on my phone. It was great back in the Gingerbread days since stock Android wasn't really "there" yet, but I don't see what kind of advantage it could really offer over stock KitKat. In particular, I see the lack of an app drawer as a major hindrance at this point. My homescreen setup has gotten more and more efficient over the years (I'm down to 2 home screens + GNow). The last thing I want now is to have all of my apps puked out on a zillion homescreens and then try to organize it all. I realize I can use another launcher, but to me that kind of defeats the purpose of flashing MIUI in the first place.

Lets wait for it Tried miui v5 in htc desire S and it works great
And updates weekly is awesome.

had miui on htc desire, htc sensation, s2, didnt have official on nexus4....i cant imagine how good it will work on nexus 5

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/291/291827.htm might be the new look of miui v6 ...i know is just a concept but looks interesting

News
http://news.mydrivers.com/1/292/292102.htm
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MIUI was amazing when everything was working and fully stable. I loved it to death on my HTC Evo 4g a couple years ago. It'll be a good multiboot rom

Miui on gingerbread was the really the best rom ever ...after ice cream miui is having trouble... But still like it
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farru503 said:
Miui on gingerbread was the really the best rom ever ...after ice cream miui is having trouble... But still like it
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Since when is it having trouble? It ran so solid on my S4, even with the unofficial builds.

darkjedi said:
Since when is it having trouble? It ran so solid on my S4, even with the unofficial builds.
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I had it on my s4 too but it was laggy and gps didnt work right and also some other stuff i dont remember but if the dev fixed them, then my bad

farru503 said:
I had it on my s4 too but it was laggy and gps didnt work right and also some other stuff i dont remember but if the dev fixed them, then my bad
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With note 2 miui was the only ROM that was lag free, especially when turning off the screen with CRT animation, it was the only ROM that was smooth...but not even comparable with stock n5
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davide136 said:
With note 2 miui was the only ROM that was lag free, especially when turning off the screen with CRT animation, it was the only ROM that was smooth...but not even comparable with stock n5
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Ohh ok, well anyways now we are on the same boat waiting for miui on our loved nexus 5

I was thinking about this ROM earlier last week. Wouldn't mind test driving that UI on these cores.
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