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About the RAZR being offical annouced so shortly after the "king of machines" was released. I know there are other better phones being thrown out in the open, but I'm talking about the moto realm strictly. Makes you wonder since the Bionic was so delayed already, why not beef up the specs even more? Not trying to start a flame/troll war, just want to see other people's opinions. Thanks .
Well my opinion on this is simple.... there will always be something better coming out... regardless of what specs a certain phone has.. the next one will have something more... personally I love my Bionic... and I would like to see an ota or two out before I get another phone... but the Razr is something I think is being released to compete with the nexus prime or galaxy nexus or whatever its going to be called... its all marketing IMO. I just hope that the Bionic isn't forgotten or written off just because all these other devices are coming out.
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Yeah I understand their need to "compete" with the nexus prime it is a beast of a phone. I mean they could of just bumped the Bionic up a bit more since it wa s already so delayed. I'm sure the Bionic could of handled the extra 200 mhz base and the superamoled vs pentile. Regarldess I still think the Bionic is nice, but it feels like another "place holder" phone for moto. Feels like they just did it to do it, and get over with.
There probabily is a reason such as an example is the targa version went into production a long time ago there were problems with somthing maybe hardware maybe softare but than you start to develope the razer but have a bunch invested in the bionic and a lot made. I just mean the bionic was meant to probably just be the first lte duel core. I teally think they did not mean to do that but couldnt delay the razer because tech gets old fast. And compitition is fearce. I think right now as soon as they can come up with the nitch phone with the best specs and put it together it goes to market. Htc is worse at it. Motorola is jyst evolving the droid x seris. What is missing is the droid with keyboard series. There my faverite phone for battery life nut like back to the bionic and razer i am thinking the razer is going to have battery drain issues worse than the bionic. I think the nexus prime is gona be worse on battery. With the htc being the worst battery hog as usuall
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There probabily is a reason such as an example is the targa version went into production a long time ago there were problems with somthing maybe hardware maybe softare but than you start to develope the razer but have a bunch invested in the bionic and a lot made. I just mean the bionic was meant to probably just be the first lte duel core. I teally think they did not mean to do that but couldnt delay the razer because tech gets old fast. And compitition is fearce. I think right now as soon as they can come up with the nitch phone with the best specs and put it together it goes to market. Htc is worse at it. Motorola is jyst evolving the droid x seris. What is missing is the droid with keyboard series. There my faverite phone for battery life nut like back to the bionic and razer i am thinking the razer is going to have battery drain issues worse than the bionic. I think the nexus prime is gona be worse on battery. With the htc being the worst battery hog as usuall
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Yeah Bionic was meant to just be the first dual core/LTE phone. The market is evolving too fast to the point where "offical" shelf life is like 6 months now. Wonder what it will be in a few years. They probably could of bumped the core speed of the processor to 1.2 for the Bionic before release. Oh well it is what it is I suppose.
For anyone that has purchased one for full contract/upgrade pricing ($200), I feel kind of bad. Sure there's always something new coming, but if it's being announced in a week and likely to come out in the next few weeks, the wait is probably worth it. At the very least, there's a chance to get the same phone (bionic) for cheaper, once the newest phone is released. That said, I'm getting my bionic tomorrow and I picked it up with the amazon deal for $0.01. If I had waited, I basically would have needed to pay $200 more (at least) for the razr or any of the other upcoming devices, so I don't really feel bad about my purchase. It was absolutely the best deal I think I'll see for a while.
If the production device looks like the pictures, I do envy the look and casing. It's definitely a beautiful device... very sleek and the fact that it's slightly thinner does have a bit of an appeal. In terms of actual specs and features? It's slightly better, but I wouldn't have paid an additional $200 for it. ICS would be the biggest appeal for me, and there's a decent chance that might make it to the bionic anyways. For those with a bionic already, it's probably not worth it. Once it comes out, depending on the pricing, the bionic will probably still be the better value and have more appeal for those that are value-oriented while the razr will be close enough in price to appeal to those that need the latest and greatest.
The one thing I'm curious about will be the pricing... it seems quick for them to be dropping the price on the bionic, but not impossible. Will the razr be slightly more expensive? Or will the razr cause a nice price drop on the bionic?
I think these few devices coming up are only being pushed out so soon to compete with the new iphone, especially with the holiday sales coming up. Phones like the bionic and galaxy S2 are kind of considered "on par" with the iphone, so the slight improvements to these phones will create more of an appeal. The release does seem to be very close to the bionic, so I'd guess they intended the bionic to be released quite a bit earlier.
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For anyone that has purchased one for full contract/upgrade pricing ($200), I feel kind of bad. Sure there's always something new coming, but if it's being announced in a week and likely to come out in the next few weeks, the wait is probably worth it. At the very least, there's a chance to get the same phone (bionic) for cheaper, once the newest phone is released. That said, I'm getting my bionic tomorrow and I picked it up with the amazon deal for $0.01. If I had waited, I basically would have needed to pay $200 more (at least) for the razr or any of the other upcoming devices, so I don't really feel bad about my purchase. It was absolutely the best deal I think I'll see for a while.
If the production device looks like the pictures, I do envy the look and casing. It's definitely a beautiful device... very sleek and the fact that it's slightly thinner does have a bit of an appeal. In terms of actual specs and features? It's slightly better, but I wouldn't have paid an additional $200 for it. ICS would be the biggest appeal for me, and there's a decent chance that might make it to the bionic anyways. For those with a bionic already, it's probably not worth it. Once it comes out, depending on the pricing, the bionic will probably still be the better value and have more appeal for those that are value-oriented while the razr will be close enough in price to appeal to those that need the latest and greatest.
The one thing I'm curious about will be the pricing... it seems quick for them to be dropping the price on the bionic, but not impossible. Will the razr be slightly more expensive? Or will the razr cause a nice price drop on the bionic?
I think these few devices coming up are only being pushed out so soon to compete with the new iphone, especially with the holiday sales coming up. Phones like the bionic and galaxy S2 are kind of considered "on par" with the iphone, so the slight improvements to these phones will create more of an appeal. The release does seem to be very close to the bionic, so I'd guess they intended the bionic to be released quite a bit earlier.
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I got the Bionic through a fluke got some e-mail saying that I was eligible to upgrade. Called in vzw they had no records, rep asked me to forward (since they didn't see the offer in their system) so I did and they're like okay we'll honor it, but you should do it now just in case. So I did and sold my D3 for like 350 so pretty much no cost Bionic for me. Hell I paid like 100 for my x2,which got turned into a D3 (brand new not clnr)via warranty, cause of all the stupid music skipping which pissed me off. Then today I got an email which made me lol, vzw was like whoops we f'ed up you're not eligible for any type of upgrade. I was like too late already got my upgrade pznerd. So for "free" it's definately not bad, I do have the 14 days if I do find out one of those devices are coming out fairly soon idk if I want to go through all that hassle though. Or if I return the Bionic if my upgrade date will be reversed cause of this special circumstance.
Edit: I'm sure both devices will be $299.99. The prime is pretty damn sexy curved glass, and the Razr being thin w/ a super amoled on moto. My main concern for both of those devices would be battery life. I also do feel that the Bionic is better than the iPhone for the most part. iPhone 4s for sure, iPhone 5 no clue, but it'll be atleast another 6 months I'd think before we see the iPhone 5 launched.
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About the RAZR being offical annouced so shortly after the "king of machines" was released. I know there are other better phones being thrown out in the open, but I'm talking about the moto realm strictly. Makes you wonder since the Bionic was so delayed already, why not beef up the specs even more? Not trying to start a flame/troll war, just want to see other people's opinions. Thanks .
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I think that the phone manufacturers have very long product design, development and manufacturing cycles. The Bionic's delays probably screwed up what was expected to be the release difference between the Bionic and Razr, but it would be dumb on Moto's part to delay the Razr just for that reason.
But, how much could the Bionic's specs have been beefed up? Faster clock speed on the dual-core processor? I think that Bionic has pretty high-end hardware already.
We'll see later today, but there will probably be specific reasons why some people would want a Razr over a Bionic, and vice versa for other people.
Motorola really dropped the ball with the bionic. Don't get me wrong, its an awesome phone, but with how long it took them to bring it to the market, it shouldn't have the bugs that it does have.
Also, with how long it took them to bring it out let the competition outdo them. They did announce this phone 10 months before it came out. If they could have gotten it out by May, this phone may have been a huge success for them, but since they didnt, competition had the time to outdo them. But that's the life of an android owner, something better always around the corner. Unfortunately, Motorola allowed that corner to be too close when if they released it during late spring/early summer, they would have gave themselves time before that corner came.
I will say that if your waiting for the next batch of high quality Androids to be released, that there will be something better following them so you will still feel like you should have waited. The technology is moving faster than the wallet can afford.
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People tend to forget that the original Bionic was a Tegra-powered device with 512MB of RAM and running Froyo. It wasn't even a ground up redesign, they just slapped the Bionic name on the Targa, a phone which I suspect was originally intended to be the Droid X2.
The only thing that really impresses me about the Razr is the chassis- but I suspect the Bionic will hold up just fine. I'm more interested in the possibility of Ice Cream Sandwich, as many of the issues I have with the Bionic have been shared with every Froyo or GB device I've owned, and it would be nice to see a few of them fixed.
The Motorola RAZR event just concluded and frankly I'm not seeing any differentiating factors between the Bionic and the RAZR apart from form factor. The rumored NFC wasn't announced, and nothing about ICS was mentioned. The screen is supposedly different, with Super AMOLED, but if memory serves me, that's STILL a PenTile display, just a different pixel arrangement. This may in fact end up being a non-event.
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4.3″ Super AMOLED Advanced qHD display.
Dual-core 1.2GHz processor
1GB RAM
Gorilla Glass
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The Motorola RAZR event just concluded and frankly I'm not seeing any differentiating factors between the Bionic and the RAZR apart from form factor. The rumored NFC wasn't announced, and nothing about ICS was mentioned. The screen is supposedly different, with Super AMOLED, but if memory serves me, that's STILL a PenTile display, just a different pixel arrangement. This may in fact end up being a non-event.
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Dual-core 1.2GHz processor
1GB RAM
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It's GB 2.3.5 vs. 2.3.4, for what that's worth. The battery is 1780, not 1800, to be specific - so, close to the Bionic. They apparently have some battery usage tweaks that could easily be done on the Bionic as well. It's quite a bit thinner and lighter, but it is also longer and wider. Why are these guys doing this?
It'll be interesting to see how the super AMOLED display does outdoors. That is one thing that the Bionic's display does very well.
I just hope that Google taking over Motorola that they help clear up the mistakes Motorola has made. While the bionic is a beast, i have to say that the thunderbolt would have to be the winner up to this point with the Verizon LTE phones due to the fact it didn't have to worry about rumors of it being outdated within 2 months of being released like the bionic has. When people bought the thunderbolt, they knew it would be a while before something better would be released. I never imagined Motorola was going to release a somewhat better phone right after they released one of the most anticipated phones of the year. If Motorola would have got the bionic right, they would have buried htc, lg, and samsung already and wouldn't need to release another super phone until the spring. Unfortunately Motorola fumbled the bionic and feel they have to release another super phone to make up for their mistake. Maybe they need to stop focusing on releasing so many different phones and concentrate on a select few phones and get it right and release them across multiple networks.
I know for as long as I waited for the bionic, i shouldn't have issues with my data going out and having to reboot the phone. They had plenty of time to work the bugs out and didnt. It's not like this phone wasn't pushed back, but if its going to get pushed back, fix the bugs while your at it.
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I dont WANT a super thin phone, I'm a tall guy in the Navy, we break things left and right! Now the water repellent, meh. Spills. Again though, NAVY. My spill is the ocean haha.
Now the Nexus prime on the other hand. We shall see... Either way however, I LOVE my liberated Bionic, and now that the kernal source code has been released (See: Android Development) Ill be happy at least for the next few months *depending on development*
Just saw the the info for the RAZR. Gotta admit it's one sexy ass beast as in terms of how it looks. But in the end it's still the same processor bumped up 200mhz? It probably will be pentile for the subpixel display I believe? Friend trolling saying zomg its kevlar and corning and faster makes it only a "bit better". He's pretty much stating that it blows the bionic out of the water. Oh well I have my 14 days and pre-orders for the RAZR start on the 27th. But I'm not sure if I want to try to push returning it cause of the fluke w/ the email and vzw support that gave me a free upgrade on the spot. Since the center was the one that honored that E-mail even with no records on their part derp. The world of Android outdated the minute you're out the door.
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I just hope that Google taking over Motorola that they help clear up the mistakes Motorola has made. While the bionic is a beast, i have to say that the thunderbolt would have to be the winner up to this point with the Verizon LTE phones due to the fact it didn't have to worry about rumors of it being outdated within 2 months of being released like the bionic has. When people bought the thunderbolt, they knew it would be a while before something better would be released. I never imagined Motorola was going to release a somewhat better phone right after they released one of the most anticipated phones of the year. If Motorola would have got the bionic right, they would have buried htc, lg, and samsung already and wouldn't need to release another super phone until the spring. Unfortunately Motorola fumbled the bionic and feel they have to release another super phone to make up for their mistake. Maybe they need to stop focusing on releasing so many different phones and concentrate on a select few phones and get it right and release them across multiple networks.
I know for as long as I waited for the bionic, i shouldn't have issues with my data going out and having to reboot the phone. They had plenty of time to work the bugs out and didnt. It's not like this phone wasn't pushed back, but if its going to get pushed back, fix the bugs while your at it.
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The t bolt was delayed a good but also and released with many bugs (which still haven't been fixed) the hardware of the bolt was also crap, its the reason I have a bionic now. I agree that if its going to get pushed back this much it shouldn't have many bugs, I guess I got luck cause I don't have many (far less than I did with the t bolt). As far ar I'm concerned the bolt was outdated by my old X, it ran just as good with liberty froyo as my t bolt ever did, and it had far superior call quality and build quality.
One more thing: I hope that Moto solved the BSOD, because good luck pulling the battery out of the Razr. (I assume it will have some sort of iPhone-ish like key combos to power it down if it hangs, though.)
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The market is evolving too fast to the point where "offical" shelf life is like 6 months now. Wonder what it will be in a few years. They probably could of bumped the core speed of the processor to 1.2 for the Bionic before release. Oh well it is what it is I suppose.
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Exactly the reason why I don't understand the decision carriers made to eliminate the "new after one" options for existing customers. I guess it makes sense to keep existing customers locked in while they entice new customers.
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The t bolt was delayed a good but also and released with many bugs (which still haven't been fixed) the hardware of the bolt was also crap, its the reason I have a bionic now. I agree that if its going to get pushed back this much it shouldn't have many bugs, I guess I got luck cause I don't have many (far less than I did with the t bolt). As far ar I'm concerned the bolt was outdated by my old X, it ran just as good with liberty froyo as my t bolt ever did, and it had far superior call quality and build quality.
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Most of the bugs i had with the thunderbolt were eliminated when i installed a custom rom, other than the random reboots. I ended up trading it in within 2 weeks for the lg revolution because it had an unlocked bootloader. Big mistake. The revolution is one of the most unusual androids that i've seen (ive had 5 of them now myself, plus my girl had 2 different ones than me). It's almost as lg through a bunch of garbage files in it to throw off the development community.
Ive never owned a samsung, but the type of plastic they use is a turnoff for me.
I am intrigued by a Nexus coming to Verizon though. Didn't think i would see that happen.
Back to what I was saying earlier though. I feel that up to this point, that the thunderbolt is the biggest winner of the LTE phones on Verizon. I believe it is the only 1 that didn't get followed up by a superior product. It was followed by the revolution, which isnt as good. The revolution was followed by the charge, which was an improvement. In my opinion, the bionic is better than the charge. While the thumderbolt isn't the best 1, it is the only 1 that didn't get surpassed the very next time Verizon released a LTE phone.
While the razr looks nice, i don't regret buying the bionic at all. Unless the razr has a built in fm modulator, i don't think i ever will. Maybe add a solar panel to help with battery life would be nice also.
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How much faster can the Razor really be? Until either phone gets ICS we won't know how much a difference it'll make. The screen and weight are the only differences. The Bionic is already a light phone so I'm not really bothered. I did buy from Costco though so I could throw a fit over the bugs this phone has and get a different phone.
I really like my d3 but I feel like its old already with rumors of the d4 so quick and the samsung nexus coming out. It seems that the market is flooded with android phones. Even my friends that have the iphone ask " why are there so many android phones that come so quickly" and I agree with them. I love android and will always have one. When I read things that say android has the market share I can't but wonder if its do the the huge number of android phones. I wish google would grow a pair and stop this. I would love to see just a few android phones " all stock " come out and show people that don't reallly know what a stock android phone is. I think its moto and htc, and samsung messing it all up with there ui's. And because of this is why the d3 will get lost. And its a great phone. Their are a lot of great phones but you buy one and a month later 3 more that are faster bigger come out. The only good thing about all the phones is that they all try to out do the other. So the technology gets better faster. But I would love to see less and more stock phones. Im tiered of explaining moto blur to people. My friends that have the iphone are right when they say what's wrong with stock android that the manfactures have to hide it. They have a good point. But anyway I just thought this needed to be said and now I wait 8 months till my upgrade and then I will get my samsung nexus and im back on stock forever. Also I know that we have roms and your phone can be stock with these but its still not the same.
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Google has little control over whether an OEM skins Android or not - Android is open source, and whuile I believe that they have specific requirements to get the Google market and apps, the OEMs are free to alter the framework. Of course, it is not the OEMs who simply make the phones - they are trying to sell to carriers, who also have specific demands for specific features (i.e., locked down bootloaders, so users will not be able to install apps that do things like offer hotspot service for free, plus carriers get money from software companies to pre-load specific software on the phones.) It is surely not Google who is controlling when specific makers are offering specific models (with the exception of the Nexus models.)
Google does contract with OEMs roughly once per year to make the Nexus devices, which are pure Android phones (Nexus One January 2010; Nexus S in December 2010; Nexus Prime November 2011.)
Are there too many phones? I would rather have too many great phones coming out frequently than too few phones coming out less frequently. Seriously, even with a Droid 4 coming out 6 months after a Droid 3 (if the release is indeed that tight), the Droid 3 hasn't suddenly become a terrible phone. It's a dual-core OMAP 1 GHz phone with 512 MB of RAM and a very high dpi high resolution display with reasonable battery life. This phone will remain usable for all of a typical 20 month Verizon contract commitment, just as the Droid Incredible remains entirely usable now 18 months or so after its first release.
That's my opinion, anyway. I think it's healthier to be happy that there are so many great phones pushing the envelope so frequently than the alternative - having to wait and try to guess the perfect time to upgrade to a new device. Choice can be hard, but I'd rather be able to choose between many, many models of cars than have Chevy, Ford, Toyota, etc. come out with a single model each every year.
Apple's way is very smart for them, but they do not have to compete with other OEMs making iOS phones. Android OEMs do need to be mindful of each other, and I think both ways are fine. If you are worried that too many phones are being released too fast, then by all means, switch to an iPhone and you'll be able to relax more, or simply buy whichever Nexus device is available at the time you are able or want to upgrade, as they are also now on an approximate yearly cycle. If you have to switch to another carrier to do so, that will surely send a message to the carrier that you are using that if they wanted to keep your business, they should have offered a Nexus device of their own.
Very good points. Just makes me a little mad that I get a phone and and one that I would rather have comes out a few months later. But then again I did not know that at the time. I just nee to maybe wait before jumping in. I do think that the samsung nexus will be the best selling phone of all time. I think that will send a measage to the carriers that stock it always better. I would like to think that stock it better now that 4.0 is out.
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This is the point that technology is at man. Every company is going to make devices that cater to each type of person. These smartphones really haven't been out long if you think about it in relative terms. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years we start seeing the smartphones get narrowed down into a few types of droids and of course 1 or 2 ugly step cousins made by that Apple company.
So to answer your question, yea, there may be a big selection of phones out there and by the time you get used to using one it is already outdated, but that's part of the fun of being at the edge of how far technology has gotten us.
I don't think the problem lies with too many phones but personally I think the carriers and OEMs are taking way too much advantage over the position that they are in.
When I bought my OG Droid, I went with a one year contract because I knew that soon enough a new phone would be out to replace it. This turned out to be incorrect as that was when Android phones were still in their adolescence.
In July, when I finally decided it was time to upgrade to the Droid 3, Verizon no longer offered a one-year contract and there was no sign of a QWERTY slider coming out for awhile. So I felt confident in choosing the Droid 3...
Here I sit, 4 months into a 2-year contract, the Droid 4 is on the horizon and my only option when it comes out is to buy it at full non-subsidized price. Which brings me to my next point...
Why are the non-contract prices SO high for these devices?! The cost of production and materials cannot be THAT high to warrant such a price. Add in the fact that the Operating System (Minus Blur/Sense/Etc) is "free" (to an extent).
To me it just seems like if we want to go with a prepaid, non-contract carrier we have to pay a really high price for a good phone. But when we go to a contract carrier, we are stuck for two years (unless you pay $300+ to cancel the contract) and when a new device comes out we must simply ignore it or cough up $600-700.
Am I wrong or is this the truth? Pardon my rant.
I think Android phones are being released insanely fast. There was a time when I'd read about all of them but now it seems like 3-4 new phones are announced every damn day. And they're ALL the same. Dual-Core, 4G, Gingerbread.
Ya they are all the same for the most part. That's what I don't like. Just wish the carriers would slow down, and focuse on one or two phones. Just can't wait till my upgrade comes. Just afraid that the different ui's will be not be good for android. People need to know what android looks like. Its not blur or sense and those ui's slow phones down a bit aswell.
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Ya they are all the same for the most part. That's what I don't like. Just wish the carriers would slow down, and focuse on one or two phones. Just can't wait till my upgrade comes. Just afraid that the different ui's will be not be good for android. People need to know what android looks like. Its not blur or sense and those ui's slow phones down a bit aswell.
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Google needs to put it's foot down and say no more skins. Skins should come as flashable roms from Moto or HTC, etc.
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Google needs to put it's foot down and say no more skins. Skins should come as flashable roms from Moto or HTC, etc.
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No it doesn't. It completely goes against what makes Android so good. Developers like being able to brand their phones, something they can't do under Windows Phone and obviously IOS. Flashable roms would just be confusing and potentially unstable for the average consumer.
Ya but people don't know what android looks like because of these skins. People think that blur is android and its not. Goggle should at least tell then to have more phones that are stock. Why hide android? Most people put roms on there phones to get rid of the skins. I know that's what I do.
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Most people put roms on there phones to get rid of the skins.
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This is probably true of people who mod their phone, but definitely not true of Android users as a whole. I would guess that less then 10% of Android users actually mod their phones. While it's a small sample, out of the 9 people I know personally that own Android phones, only 2 of them have modded it, and they only did it because I did it for them because they complained of the phone being too slow (Droid 1's). Although both recently upgraded to iphones.
The bottom line is the majority of Android users don't care about what their phone looks like or what Android truly looks like. The same way I don't care about whats under the hood of my car. A car gets me from point A to point B, what makes that happen is irrelevant to me. All I care is if the car is visually appealing to me. And maybe more recently MPG, because of the cost of gas is so god damn high.
Well the nice thing is, as long as XDA exists then we will always have a more current phone. If my Droid 3 would have not crapped out on me because of the screen I would still be using it at 1 GHz with the latest Gingerbread. Once we figure out how to mod the D3 better and better and if we do ever get the unlocked bootloader then our phones will still be just as current as the Nexus Prime or whatever is newer and better.
The specs of this phone despite not being 4G are good because the CPU and RAM are up there with the currently released high end phones (except the RAZR). We already have some good custom ROMs out there and I'm sure we will get ICS soon enough thanks to Hash.
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Well the nice thing is, as long as XDA exists then we will always have a more current phone. If my Droid 3 would have not crapped out on me because of the screen I would still be using it at 1 GHz with the latest Gingerbread. Once we figure out how to mod the D3 better and better and if we do ever get the unlocked bootloader then our phones will still be just as current as the Nexus Prime or whatever is newer and better.
The specs of this phone despite not being 4G are good because the CPU and RAM are up there with the currently released high end phones (except the RAZR). We already have some good custom ROMs out there and I'm sure we will get ICS soon enough thanks to Hash.
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The processor is good but the RAM is definitely lacking. 512MB is just not enough, the phone with stock stuff installed has a pretty terrible multi-tasking experience. Honestly I think the 512 is the reason why Motorola hasn't flagged it for an ICS update yet, because other than that it's basically the same phone as the Bionic/Razr and probably wouldn't be too hard to port.
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The processor is good but the RAM is definitely lacking. 512MB is just not enough, the phone with stock stuff installed has a pretty terrible multi-tasking experience. Honestly I think the 512 is the reason why Motorola hasn't flagged it for an ICS update yet, because other than that it's basically the same phone as the Bionic/Razr and probably wouldn't be too hard to port.
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No the software is just that bad.
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The processor is good but the RAM is definitely lacking. 512MB is just not enough, the phone with stock stuff installed has a pretty terrible multi-tasking experience. Honestly I think the 512 is the reason why Motorola hasn't flagged it for an ICS update yet, because other than that it's basically the same phone as the Bionic/Razr and probably wouldn't be too hard to port.
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512 MB will be fine for ICS, I am sure, as the Nexus S will be getting ICS with worse specs than the D3 (i.e., single-core CPU).
It's very possible that Moto and/or VZW will not want to take the time to develop ICS for the D3, or push it out, but it won't be because it has "only" 512 MB of RAM.
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512 MB will be fine for ICS, I am sure, as the Nexus S will be getting ICS with worse specs than the D3 (i.e., single-core CPU).
It's very possible that Moto and/or VZW will not want to take the time to develop ICS for the D3, or push it out, but it won't be because it has "only" 512 MB of RAM.
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The Nexus S doesn't have a ton of bloatware on it. Verizon will have to port all the applications that are stock loaded with the Droid 3 2.3.4 build over to ICS. I'm going to go ahead and assume that ICS probably uses more RAM than gingerbread. Couple that with the crap software Verizon loads on the phone and there is definitely a case for ram being an issue. I mean the stock phone blows as is, run maps and music and it slows to a crawl.
I think the over abundance of Android phones can be disheartening at first glance, but when you think about it, remember back a few years to when the original razr was the hot phone. After owning it for two years, you go in to get an upgrade to find that the best phone on the market is still a razr, but now it can play mp3s. If you use your head, you realize that all of these people who are worried about having the latest and greatest phone and go out to buy it as it is released still have a perfectly good "last month" phone. Hello Ebay. I saved my upgrade and bought a one month old D3 off ebay for $300. Use your upgrades when the RIGHT phone comes out, until then pick up the scraps from ebay at half price. Remember, even a used phone from ebay still carries a mfg warranty.
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I agree with OP that there are too many Android phones and not enough variety. i think the main difference is that while the iPhone was originally locked to one market, Android phones were everywhere. Each carrier had their own version of each phone made by each manufacturer, not to mention their individual contracts for certain phones that ended up getting out to other carriers eventually (i.e. Evo). My issue is there isn't much variety, yeah they have small upgrades here and there and small differences but the main thing is once a 1ghz 4.3" screen came out, every company made one. Once dual core came out, every company made one. Not much innovation imo, just keeping up with the competition. And I still don't understand why there are barely any QWERTY keyboards, another reason why it seems like most of the phones coming out are the same.
For me it all has began to come down to the looks department. I know I want a QWERTY so i had limited options, but even if it was an all touch screen you look for one that you can live with looking at every day and bite the bullet. Chances are everyone else will have one with similar specs just different body design.
I know there's been a lot of discussion of recent handsets, given that the Bionic was the first of a flurry of next-generation phones, made all the worse by Motorola's steadfast refusal to hand us the keys to our phone and the various software issues they've so far completely failed to address. Given all that, it's very easy to down on the Bionic or feel suckered.
But where's the love for the Bionic?
I've been offered a different handset (as the software issues on the Bionic have been killing me) by VzW, offered the Razr, Rezound, and if I'm willing to wait, even the GNex. But as I've been considering that, I've realized that the Bionic really is the sweet spot for me.
We're quite nearly as fast as the Razr, same other specs, none of Moto's rubbish Smart Actions, and we can replace our batteries or get an extended battery. Not to mention that we'll be getting the bugfix release sooner than they will, so likely, our network drops will be fixed first.
The HTC Rezound is a great phone, but it's thicker than the Bionic, and that's without the (still unannounced) extended battery. It's also slowed down by HTC Sense, and they (as of last I checked) still don't even have root. It's got a beautiful screen, and a slight speed bump, but not much else on us.
The Galaxy Nexus LTE hasn't even been released yet, but we know that it won't have an SD Card slot (and thus, won't ever support 64GB cards as the Bionic already does), and that the sound quality from the speakers is very quiet, especially compared to Motorola's speakers. We also know that we can get good battery life, and that our extended battery actually fits the phone nicely versus their (still not announced) batteries. They've got a nicer screen, NFC, and likely a nicer camera, but at the end of the day, if you need extended batteries and extended storage, the Bionic is all you've got.
But, the Nexus Bootloader is unlocked. That's the main temptation for me to go over there, and for many of us, it's a sine qua non. That said, that's something that's well within Motorola's power to fix, either intentionally, by accident, or "by accident". They likely won't, but hey, there's hope. And even now, there's a growing ROM-building community, which will likely only grow larger as the software issues are fixed and ICS nears.
Of course, the software issues are huge, and I don't mean to excuse Motorola's massive screwup there. Motorola has really screwed us over with the software on this phone, and their refusal to unlock the damned bootloaders is huge. But hopefully they'll learn and improve the software from there.
In short, in the Bionic, we've got plenty of (expandable) storage, good speakers, a reasonable extended battery, good cases, promises of ICS, and a chipset that can keep up with anything on the market.
It's not perfect, but nothing ever is. For some of you, the other phones may offer something better, and more power to you, but for people like me who like large battery and storage capacity, even after this latest glut of releases, the Bionic will still be the best choice. It's not a dead headset, surpassed and unworthy of development. It's not been replaced by, well, anything, it's just one good option among other options.
So, if you're one of the people like me for whom the Bionic really still is the best phone on the market, hang in there, and don't let the haters get you down.
I love it!
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Bionic ftw!
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I completely agree with everything in the OP. The Bionic is a great phone even with its flaws and poor treatment from the manufacturer, and I believe it will only get better if Motorola holds to their promises of bugfixes and ICS, and the possiblity of an unlocked bootloader.
I can't believe I just read all of that on my phone.... but I'm glad that I did! The Bionic goes to 11!!
jus curious, when u were offered other phones...did u already cross the 14days return period ?
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I know there's been a lot of discussion of recent handsets, given that the Bionic was the first of a flurry of next-generation phones, made all the worse by Motorola's steadfast refusal to hand us the keys to our phone and the various software issues they've so far completely failed to address. Given all that, it's very easy to down on the Bionic or feel suckered.
But where's the love for the Bionic?
I've been offered a different handset (as the software issues on the Bionic have been killing me) by VzW, offered the Razr, Rezound, and if I'm willing to wait, even the GNex. But as I've been considering that, I've realized that the Bionic really is the sweet spot for me.
We're quite nearly as fast as the Razr, same other specs, none of Moto's rubbish Smart Actions, and we can replace our batteries or get an extended battery. Not to mention that we'll be getting the bugfix release sooner than they will, so likely, our network drops will be fixed first.
The HTC Rezound is a great phone, but it's thicker than the Bionic, and that's without the (still unannounced) extended battery. It's also slowed down by HTC Sense, and they (as of last I checked) still don't even have root. It's got a beautiful screen, and a slight speed bump, but not much else on us.
The Galaxy Nexus LTE hasn't even been released yet, but we know that it won't have an SD Card slot (and thus, won't ever support 64GB cards as the Bionic already does), and that the sound quality from the speakers is very quiet, especially compared to Motorola's speakers. We also know that we can get good battery life, and that our extended battery actually fits the phone nicely versus their (still not announced) batteries. They've got a nicer screen, NFC, and likely a nicer camera, but at the end of the day, if you need extended batteries and extended storage, the Bionic is all you've got.
But, the Nexus Bootloader is unlocked. That's the main temptation for me to go over there, and for many of us, it's a sine qua non. That said, that's something that's well within Motorola's power to fix, either intentionally, by accident, or "by accident". They likely won't, but hey, there's hope. And even now, there's a growing ROM-building community, which will likely only grow larger as the software issues are fixed and ICS nears.
Of course, the software issues are huge, and I don't mean to excuse Motorola's massive screwup there. Motorola has really screwed us over with the software on this phone, and their refusal to unlock the damned bootloaders is huge. But hopefully they'll learn and improve the software from there.
In short, in the Bionic, we've got plenty of (expandable) storage, good speakers, a reasonable extended battery, good cases, promises of ICS, and a chipset that can keep up with anything on the market.
It's not perfect, but nothing ever is. For some of you, the other phones may offer something better, and more power to you, but for people like me who like large battery and storage capacity, even after this latest glut of releases, the Bionic will still be the best choice. It's not a dead headset, surpassed and unworthy of development. It's not been replaced by, well, anything, it's just one good option among other options.
So, if you're one of the people like me for whom the Bionic really still is the best phone on the market, hang in there, and don't let the haters get you down.
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jus curious, when u were offered other phones...did u already cross the 14days return period ?
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Yes, this was only last week (purchased shortly after release), but I've been in touch with them about these issues since very quickly after the 14 days. I've called Verizon nearly 15 times, and only recently have they made this offer, and that's only because I've had especially bad troubles with the travel and amount of wired-headset-calling I do. I doubt that they'll be open for that if you don't have a history of calls and complaints.
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Yes, this was only last week (purchased shortly after release), but I've been in touch with them about these issues since very quickly after the 14 days. I've called Verizon nearly 15 times, and only recently have they made this offer, and that's only because I've had especially bad troubles with the travel and amount of wired-headset-calling I do. I doubt that they'll be open for that if you don't have a history of calls and complaints.
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cool..thank u for the info..my bionic has been sailing smooth with no issues this far..i am hoping it stays that way..
Actually the galaxy nexus got slammed for having an absolutely terrible camera. I was going to see my bionic and get it, until I saw that. Dealbreaker.
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Actually the galaxy nexus got slammed for having an absolutely terrible camera. I was going to see my bionic and get it, until I saw that. Dealbreaker.
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It's certainly not worse than the bionic camera.
I'd trade your bionic in a heartbeat. Mine is in a drawer collecting dust because it's awful. Most regretted phone purchase of my life.
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my bionic is garbage the constant data dropping makes me want to throw it against a wall and the only thing stopping me from doing so is the hope that I can sell it to some chump for at least 200 bucks when the nexus comes out.
smartphone minus data connection = ****ty phone with poor battery life.
From what I hear they say the data dropping out is common with all 4g devices. I cave from the thunderbolt and had the same experience. I'm seriously considering switching to a 3g device
i had a blackberry to a facinate now the bionic. BIONIC IS THE BEST
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From what I hear they say the data dropping out is common with all 4g devices. I cave from the thunderbolt and had the same experience. I'm seriously considering switching to a 3g device
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You can force you phone into CDMA only instead of LTE/CDMA. I was told at a VZW store thats a possible work around. I did switch back to my OG droid incredible until the bionic gets software fixes.
I also wish the screen was better, but getting everything i want in a phone would make it 800$+
Just got the Bionic a couple days ago. I haven't had any data issues yet but I have it in CDMA only mode at the moment. Will test it in a 4g area in a couple days as I am right on the edge of a 4g area. I also have a Inc2 and have had a Fascinate and D1. This phone rocks for me. Battery is decent, its fast, solid build, blur (nonblur) is kind of nice now. Camera software isn't great but it isn't as bad as I thought it would be. Phone is also a little thick. I am optimistic that the data bug will be fixed with the next update.
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eallan said:
It's certainly not worse than the bionic camera.
I'd trade your bionic in a heartbeat. Mine is in a drawer collecting dust because it's awful. Most regretted phone purchase of my life.
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The Bionic camera is not one of the problems with this phone. It promptly takes good pictures and shoots very usable videos.
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The Bionic camera is not one of the problems with this phone. It promptly takes good pictures and shoots very usable videos.
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It's the absolute worst cell phone camera I've ever used. It's completely laughable and almost unusable. I feel sorry for you thinking it's "good."
The camera in Theoryrom makes it not one of the problems in this phone.
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It's the absolute worst cell phone camera I've ever used. It's completely laughable and almost unusable. I feel sorry for you thinking it's "good."
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It all depends what system you are on.
886 - agreed, worst camera ever!
893 - much improved
So yesterday was my birthday and my wife told me I could get a new phone. I am the previous owner of a Revolution. I actually kind of liked it especially once I rooted it and flashed gingervolt. I keep hearing that this phone is a massive upgrade from the revolution and I hope it is true. Did I make a good move by getting the bionic or should I have gotten the Razr or something. What should I do to my phone now that I have it and how. I hate to be a noob all over again but the dev on this is completely dif. Thanks alot guys!!!
Well you didn't make a necessarily "bad" move. I have a Bionic, Tbolt, and a Razr and I use the Bionic. Its a great phone.
Look at the Thunderbolt or Bionic thread in this forum.
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So yesterday was my birthday and my wife told me I could get a new phone. I am the previous owner of a Revolution. I actually kind of liked it especially once I rooted it and flashed gingervolt. I keep hearing that this phone is a massive upgrade from the revolution and I hope it is true. Did I make a good move by getting the bionic or should I have gotten the Razr or something. What should I do to my phone now that I have it and how. I hate to be a noob all over again but the dev on this is completely dif. Thanks alot guys!!!
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I had a Revolution and a Charge before getting the BIONIC and it is the best phone I have had, the Motorola radios are fantastic and get great reception. It is also easy to root using motofail http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1497690 and I would recommend http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1327695 the Eclipse 2.2 Rom if you decide to mod. This is a GREAT phone
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The Razr is slightly better in specs but I don't think at this point, that makes too much of a difference. They're pretty much getting the same roms from what I've seen.
I think it comes down to preference. Do you prefer a skinney phone or something with some bulk? For me personally, I like having the bulk of the bionic.
As far as talk about the bionic being outdated, that's a little over exaggerated. While it's not the newest and most up to date, it's still far from being outdated. Considering Motorola hasn't released ICS yet, the its best days of rom development are still to come.
On a side note, get used to using rootzwiki and droidhive to find a lot of things that you will need.
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I have no upgrade available to me, I'd have to buy this phone outright (that $499). Would you get this phone?
I current have a Droid Charge and the biggest limitation of this phone that I have right now is the limited RAM (only 512 MB) and the single-core CPU.
trparky said:
I have no upgrade available to me, I'd have to buy this phone outright (that $499). Would you get this phone?
I current have a Droid Charge and the biggest limitation of this phone that I have right now is the limited RAM (only 512 MB) and the single-core CPU.
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I would still get the Bionic.
trparky said:
I have no upgrade available to me, I'd have to buy this phone outright (that $499). Would you get this phone?
I current have a Droid Charge and the biggest limitation of this phone that I have right now is the limited RAM (only 512 MB) and the single-core CPU.
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I'm sure you can get on Craigslist and buy one for around $200-250 if you want to go that route. Some people jumped on the nexus bandwagon.
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Coming from a Sprint Photon, with dual core and moto radios, I was still impressed with the speed of the phone, and with Verizon's service in my area.
Good decision!
ONLY BUY NEW. Craigslist is bogus. Don't waste your time
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ONLY BUY NEW. Craigslist is bogus. Don't waste your time
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I also own the Bionic and the Tbolt.
I got my Bionic on Craigslist from a local guy and it was mint and still using it today.
Nothing wrong with Craigslist.
Just do your homework and check the phone out. If you feel better meeting at at Verizon store and get it checked out there do that. I sold a droid phone and they wanted to do that and I had no issue with it because I knew I was selling a working phone. If they are not willing to do that I would stay away...
Coming from a Droid x I can say that the bionic is the truth
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kendive said:
I also own the Bionic and the Tbolt.
I got my Bionic on Craigslist from a local guy and it was mint and still using it today.
Nothing wrong with Craigslist.
Just do your homework and check the phone out. If you feel better meeting at at Verizon store and get it checked out there do that. I sold a droid phone and they wanted to do that and I had no issue with it because I knew I was selling a working phone. If they are not willing to do that I would stay away...
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I have purchased a "LG Revolution+ then upgraded to a Verizon DROID Charge" and then finally moved up to a "BIONIC". All purchased off craigslist and never any issues. I also insist on meeting at a Verizon store and no funds change hands until I am happy with the purchase and the Verizon rep has activated and given it a clean bill of health. I will continue to buy of craigslist in the future.
I was switched from the Rev to the Razr to the Bionic. VZ put a lot of support into getting me a phone that would do PC data correctly.
In contrasting the three phones: the Rev's receiver appears to be most sensitive and the power meter works correctly, the battery usage is the highest (unacceptable); the Razr would not stay in my hand, it has the best display contrast, the Maxx would be the right product (right size and longest battery life), it suffered with wi-fi bugs, there were lots of user keyboard command stalls; the Boinic has very good battery life (can be left on overnight), connector placement is better than Razr, excellent audio quality, and by the time I received the Bionic new firmware came out and fixed the wi-fi bug.
The Rev was a good phone but in my view LG doesn't put the effort into fixing firmware bugs, compared to Motorola. The usability of the Bionic is more westernized.
It appears that the current new product strategy is to release known bugs and support any customer who takes issue with a bug. In reading this forum you can see how the digital data wi-fi bugs were released and how it affected "our" view of the devices. All three devices I listed had these problems.
Lets be honest "it is all about the money". With world wide shipments over 100 million a month all the manufactures want those early shipment dollars. Historically those are the highest profit dollars available.
Another thing to consider (my guess) is that the Bionic production line is steaming along pumping out products to be sold, the Razr line is doing the same. So it would be a big income hit for Motorola to obsolete the Boinic, and Moto would only want to do so if the two products were competing for limit manufacturing resources which is highly unlikely.
It appears is that Motorola has at least two products in the Bionic and Razr that utilize mostly the same firmware so they can double dip into the world smartphone sales with highly leveraged after sales firmware support. That is the kind of move to put them back into number one in sales again.
I've bought many things off of Craigslist and only ever bought one bad thing which was a redring Xbox. Bought all my kids iPod touches from Craigslist, bought 3 cars, my android tablet, a blackberry , a different Xbox, and some other things without any problems.
I'm sorry to hear that not everyone has had a positive experience from Craigslist. You just have to check out what you buy first. Another good thing about Craigslist is that many times you can talk the person down on their original price. I'm always talking them down $10-20 on the iPod touches.
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I was switched from the Rev to the Razr to the Bionic. VZ put a lot of support into getting me a phone that would do PC data correctly.
In contrasting the three phones: the Rev's receiver appears to be most sensitive and the power meter works correctly, the battery usage is the highest (unacceptable); the Razr would not stay in my hand, it has the best display contrast, the Maxx would be the right product (right size and longest battery life), it suffered with wi-fi bugs, there were lots of user keyboard command stalls; the Boinic has very good battery life (can be left on overnight), connector placement is better than Razr, excellent audio quality, and by the time I received the Bionic new firmware came out and fixed the wi-fi bug.
The Rev was a good phone but in my view LG doesn't put the effort into fixing firmware bugs, compared to Motorola. The usability of the Bionic is more westernized.
It appears that the current new product strategy is to release known bugs and support any customer who takes issue with a bug. In reading this forum you can see how the digital data wi-fi bugs were released and how it affected "our" view of the devices. All three devices I listed had these problems.
Lets be honest "it is all about the money". With world wide shipments over 100 million a month all the manufactures want those early shipment dollars. Historically those are the highest profit dollars available.
Another thing to consider (my guess) is that the Bionic production line is steaming along pumping out products to be sold, the Razr line is doing the same. So it would be a big income hit for Motorola to obsolete the Boinic, and Moto would only want to do so if the two products were competing for limit manufacturing resources which is highly unlikely.
It appears is that Motorola has at least two products in the Bionic and Razr that utilize mostly the same firmware so they can double dip into the world smartphone sales with highly leveraged after sales firmware support. That is the kind of move to put them back into number one in sales again.
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I agree. My outlook on the razr and the bionic is that it gives the user a choice between a bulky phone or a skinny phone. Some people prefer the bulk, and others prefer it to be thin. This allows Motorola to cover both markets. The difference in their specs is minor compared to the difference between the bionic and the revolution (or any of the previous Verizon androids released) so whichever you choose will be better than what you had.
From what I've seen over the past 3 years of owning an Android, Motorola is one of the, if not the, best in supporting their Android devices. They also tend to have better battery life. Now if we could only get them to unlock the bootloader so we could attract some of the HTC rom developers over. Nothing wrong with having more variety in rom selection.
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Originally Sold on July 15, 2012 - http://bgr.com/2012/07/10/motorola-atrix-hd-release-date-pricing-att/
Discontinued on August 1st, 2013 - http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/motorola/atrix-hd-modern-white.html#fbid=1jrbRFjGCCb
http://www.motorola.com/us/consumers/MOTOROLA-ATRIX-HD/MB886-ATRIX-HD,en_US,pd.html
This device lasted just over a year before losing OTA support and being discontinued. How can we expect anything good to come of the Moto X after being screwed over like this on their AT&T Flagship device from last year? Stuck on 4.1.1 and severely insecure software. Such a shame.
mattlgroff said:
Originally Sold on July 15, 2012 - http://bgr.com/2012/07/10/motorola-atrix-hd-release-date-pricing-att/
Discontinued on August 1st, 2013 - http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/motorola/atrix-hd-modern-white.html#fbid=1jrbRFjGCCb
http://www.motorola.com/us/consumers/MOTOROLA-ATRIX-HD/MB886-ATRIX-HD,en_US,pd.html
This device lasted just over a year before losing OTA support and being discontinued. How can we expect anything good to come of the Moto X after being screwed over like this on their AT&T Flagship device from last year? Stuck on 4.1.1 and severely insecure software. Such a shame.
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It's to be expected. Motorola wants every Motorola fanboy to purchase the Moto X. Because they figure if they continue to update the HD to 4.2, then a lot of people wouldn't have the incentive to upgrade, because they'll have the features of the Moto X on an old flagship phone.
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I'm surprised it lasted that long. They never took advantage of the potential it had and has.
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Is it for sure we won't get moto x software update? Let's have a mustard seed of faith here guys
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Coincidentally, it has officially become part of cyanogenmod, along with the rest of the MSM8960 family:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Mb886_Info
I'm not really that surprised at this. Hate to say it, but X isn't anything special. I watched the Moto Maker video showing the customizations and its nothing more than colors, a boot logo, and storage size. Looking at the specs, all the new Moto Phones are the same other than screen size and available memory. Atrix HD might be a year older, but its almost the same phone as these. They have more ram and better on board graphics -- I just don't know if that justifies losing my SD card.
The new X makes me sad. I was expecting something a bit more than an updated Atrix\RAZR HD. I think we're better off just getting the Maxx Battery over the new X or Droid Series Phones. The NO SD CARD AT ALL is why I won't be getting one.
I lol'd at the prices. Maxx is $100 more, has 32GB over the Ultra's 16GB and a bigger battery -- that's it and somehow that justifies a $100 price increase. Now I'm wondering if we'll see X/Droid Maxx mod posts because of that.
This news sucks but looking from a different perspective, all flagship phones only last for 1 year: S3 from Samsung, Xperia S from Sony, and OneX from HTC. In the current situation where all the old flagship phones are strong enough to run smoothly Android 4.3 or even 5, if they continue to update the phone with newer software version, no one would buy the new flagship phones.
Great, I doubt I will be able to sell my Atrix HD now.
This is really sick,
I did not expect Moto to leave us before 4.2.2 update...
@skeevydude true that, even I was expecting a lot more from Moto-X but it didn't came up through.... I though we will be able to customize it in sense of ram,screen,battery,processory... but its very unlikely to customize jus the uppershell :/
Meanwhile its good to see official CM support.
skeevydude said:
I'm not really that surprised at this. Hate to say it, but X isn't anything special. I watched the Moto Maker video showing the customizations and its nothing more than colors, a boot logo, and storage size. Looking at the specs, all the new Moto Phones are the same other than screen size and available memory. Atrix HD might be a year older, but its almost the same phone as these. They have more ram and better on board graphics -- I just don't know if that justifies losing my SD card.
The new X makes me sad. I was expecting something a bit more than an updated Atrix\RAZR HD. I think we're better off just getting the Maxx Battery over the new X or Droid Series Phones. The NO SD CARD AT ALL is why I won't be getting one.
I lol'd at the prices. Maxx is $100 more, has 32GB over the Ultra's 16GB and a bigger battery -- that's it and somehow that justifies a $100 price increase. Now I'm wondering if we'll see X/Droid Maxx mod posts because of that.
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I was reading that Google is trying to push to have SD cards removed. Something about trying to increase the speed of boot time.
Although, I would guess its so they can sell you a 32gb phone for $75 more than the 16gb version.
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This is really sick,
I did not expect Moto to leave us before 4.2.2 update...
@skeevydude true that, even I was expecting a lot more from Moto-X but it didn't came up through.... I though we will be able to customize it in sense of ram,screen,battery,processory... but its very unlikely to customize jus the uppershell :/
Meanwhile its good to see official CM support.
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My assumption was we'd get 4.2.2 as our last update and the new phones coming out would be 4.3. Wonder if we're not getting 4.2.2 to screw with the Dev Team
The customizations they offer for the X I can do myself. I have multiple paint sprayers, Dremmels, and an engraving tool -- not everyone has that, but we all have access to spray paint made for whatever material needs spraying.
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I was reading that Google is trying to push to have SD cards removed. Something about trying to increase the speed of boot time.
Although, I would guess its so they can sell you a 32gb phone for $75 more than the 16gb version.
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I'll buy boot time....but I've always figured it was because the sd card can be a pita from a rom management perspective -- will it be used as swap, sd-ext, like normal with music and such, internal/external hacks, and so on. Because of that, I assume Google wants us to use mini-usb flash drives. Whatever the reason is ($$$ for the upgraded storage model), I like my sd card for my phone -- don't always have access to the net to stream or can because of data plan limitations/caps/quotas.
Has anyone else noticed that the X and new Droids have the same specs as the new Nexus 7.2 Tablet?
I think once a device is "dead" or at least out of warranty, the manufactures should be required to allow you to unlock them. ( I realize we are unlocked now) but my older Droid X and X2 are still locked.
yeah, SD cards are kinda deal breaker for me, I am assuming its going to get harder and harder to get a phone with one.
the_onlysun said:
This news sucks but looking from a different perspective, all flagship phones only last for 1 year: S3 from Samsung, Xperia S from Sony, and OneX from HTC. In the current situation where all the old flagship phones are strong enough to run smoothly Android 4.3 or even 5, if they continue to update the phone with newer software version, no one would buy the new flagship phones.
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I know at least Samsung is good about updating their phones. They just updated the S2 Plus to 4.2.2 and according to what I've read they're skipping 4.2.2 for the S3 and Note II and going straight to 4.3. Sony is hit or miss and HTC is just plain bad. How long did it take the thunderbolt to get the promised ICS update? 18 months?
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My assumption was we'd get 4.2.2 as our last update and the new phones coming out would be 4.3. Wonder if we're not getting 4.2.2 to screw with the Dev Team
The customizations they offer for the X I can do myself. I have multiple paint sprayers, Dremmels, and an engraving tool -- not everyone has that, but we all have access to spray paint made for whatever material needs spraying.
I'll buy boot time....but I've always figured it was because the sd card can be a pita from a rom management perspective -- will it be used as swap, sd-ext, like normal with music and such, internal/external hacks, and so on. Because of that, I assume Google wants us to use mini-usb flash drives. Whatever the reason is ($$$ for the upgraded storage model), I like my sd card for my phone -- don't always have access to the net to stream or can because of data plan limitations/caps/quotas.
Has anyone else noticed that the X and new Droids have the same specs as the new Nexus 7.2 Tablet?
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They want you to use cloud services.
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bassistn8 said:
I think once a device is "dead" or at least out of warranty, the manufactures should be required to allow you to unlock them. ( I realize we are unlocked now) but my older Droid X and X2 are still locked.
yeah, SD cards are kinda deal breaker for me, I am assuming its going to get harder and harder to get a phone with one.
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Where would you go with a unlocked CDMA phone and a Verizon one at that? What carrier would activate it?
This really sucks big time... I guess I made the right decision yesterday when a guy offered me a mint nexus 4 for 200... I looked at my sweet sexy white and black Atrix and said sorry baby 4.3 is already ready already... Plus I had a n4 when they first came out only for a week when I lost at strip club... Sucks to loose my SD card but 16gb internal makes up... Sucks to loose lte tmo is blazing in south Florida but I get partial lte with a mod they found... Plus development, well its a nexus that speaks for itself... Ahd is great and in keeping for a lil as backup but I also have atrix 4g with webtop... So I'm going to hold to ahd for a lil but I missed the nexus... And to me screen is much better and pictures come out nicer... Skeevy Timpo youngunn epinter you are all the **** and without all of you a great phone would have no glory... It was fun...
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as for sd cards, i have no problem with them being eliminated as long as they get rid of low storage option devices. like 8 gb... ridiculous. make it 32, 64 gb for storage options. that more than enough and simple, no sd cards needed.
as for the dead device, i thought we would at least get 4.2, but we will just use the firmware from the moto x. same thing with some hackery we can use it. not surprising though. next phone will probably be an Oppo or Sammy.
How do we know Motorola has discontinued OTA support?
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This phone may be discontinued but it sure isn't dead thanks to all the great developers!!! I was told at att the other day this is discontinued cause the atrix HD 2 was coming out. Probably an Atrix HD maxx
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yar2 said:
How do we know Motorola has discontinued OTA support?
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We haven't even seen an exploit patch since November 2012, while the RAZR HD/RAZR M have received at least 2 updates since then, upgrading them to 4.1.2 and patching potentially hamrful exploits. You have to work quite hard to find this phone on AT&T and Motorola's websites, they won't spend time to update it IMO.