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Sprint gets the Droid 4 variant, the Photon Q, with upgrades

http://www.motorola.com/us/consumer...,pd.html?selectedTab=tab-2&cgid=mobile-phones
At first glance, I thought this was a Droid 4. But then I saw that Moto took off the capacitive buttons on the bottom of the front of the phone. The Photon Q gets an upgraded 1.5gz dual core processor, and the display apparently has ColorBoost technology (resolution is the same, however).
I always wondered what Moto would do as a one-up on the droid 4. Looks like we have an answer

Motorola has stated that it'll have an unlockable bootloader. Also i think someone said that it has an s4, srsly the only real drawback so far to this phone is Sprint and that qhd display. Still very nice though

* raises fist * Damn you, Motorola! I just got the Droid 4!
* settles down * I still prefer a menu button though
* enables puppy-eyes * Please release an unlocked version in Europe?

I think the SIM card of the photon Q is not removable, so don't worry about getting it.
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If it'll be non-removable SIM card, it's dead phone

danifunker said:
I think the SIM card of the photon Q is not removable, so don't worry about getting it.
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It sure is not removable. I hope this is not going to be a new trend. Does not bode well for the Droid 5 on Verizon whenever it will be out.
From the Spec sheets:
Frequency: LTE, CDMA 800/1900 EVDO Rev A, World Phone - GSM 850/1900/1800/900, UMTS 850/1900/2100 (SIM is embedded in the phone, GSM SIM is locked and not removable)

hey all i care about is the fact that they will let you unlock the bootloader, they better do it for the Droid 4 and RAZR too!

Fat chance of that. Verizon thinks that rooted phones can impair the quality of the service they provide. /:

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Fat chance of that. Verizon thinks that rooted phones can impair the quality of the service they provide. /:
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**** Verizon, all they do is pack their phones with bull**** bloatware, delay OTAs by months, overprice, and all that. the only good thing they've ever done for me is not get rid of my unlimited data plan yet. ....yet.... *knocks on wood*

@sjaakbaanan i had the same reaction when reading OP

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@sjaakbaanan i had the same reaction when reading OP
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Haha, good to see I'm not the only one!
I'm still keeping my hopes up that one day they'll release this or a newer QWERTY over here too, with unlocked SIM. If not this phone, then the next.. and I'll buy it right away!
Maybe we should start some kind of internet petition to bring Motorola QWERTY phones than Europe and see if more than 5 people sign it

Didn't Samsung succumb to internet users when it offered a "developer version" (unlocked bootloader) of the GS3 on verizon (for way more money, of course)? If I'm correct, then it can be done

alex94kumar said:
Didn't Samsung succumb to internet users when it offered a "developer version" (unlocked bootloader) of the GS3 on verizon (for way more money, of course)? If I'm correct, then it can be done
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Yes, and they offered it for 600 USD I believe, which is actually still cheaper than the S3's unsubsidized price over here. So I'm already taking into account that I need to spend that amount of money, as long as they give me the chance
But I think more people want an unlocked S3 (which already existed for Europe anyway) than an unlocked Photon Q, so the power of the internet may be smaller here. Ah well, if I get data to work, I'm fully happy with my Droid 4!

No microSD cards, non-removable batteries and now embedded SIM cards. Are we noticing a trend yet?
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This one takes a microsd, but yeah there's definitely a trend...

my guess is the trend is actually carriers trying to hold on to the old way of doing things. they don't like device hopping and by forcing you to buy a new phone, they are able to bring in additional revenue.
I hate how we're basically the only market that's this way. meanwhile the rest of the world is "free to roam" and prices remain competitive.

Me too
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my guess is the trend is actually carriers trying to hold on to the old way of doing things. they don't like device hopping and by forcing you to buy a new phone, they are able to bring in additional revenue.
I hate how we're basically the only market that's this way. meanwhile the rest of the world is "free to roam" and prices remain competitive.
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I hate how the phones seem to be built to break after 2 years. My mom got a phone 13 years ago that is still kicking..its even been dropped in a drink cup....6 years after the cup incident the pixels in the display are finally going out. She loves that thing and is very upset that she has to get a new phone, I am very surprised it's still working. She's even using the original battery! As for me, I love the keyboard on my D4, and now that I have my much-beloved FM radio on it, I probably won't upgrade again, it's just too expensive to. I will just surf ebay and get other D4s. :silly: Anyone else notice that as Verizon gets bigger, the more expensive, dumber and ruder they become? I wish we had more competition.
I have noticed that trend too, and I don't like it. If they wanted to keep things like they were, they would still be making indestructible bricks like what my mom is using. I like the thinner phones, yet I want to be able to rip out the battery if I get frustrated, and I hate needing a SIM card
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KrellaKrentoshi said:
I hate how the phones seem to be built to break after 2 years. My mom got a phone 13 years ago that is still kicking..its even been dropped in a drink cup....6 years after the cup incident the pixels in the display are finally going out. She loves that thing and is very upset that she has to get a new phone, I am very surprised it's still working. She's even using the original battery! As for me, I love the keyboard on my D4, and now that I have my much-beloved FM radio on it, I probably won't upgrade again, it's just too expensive to. I will just surf ebay and get other D4s. :silly: Anyone else notice that as Verizon gets bigger, the more expensive, dumber and ruder they become? I wish we had more competition.
I have noticed that trend too, and I don't like it. If they wanted to keep things like they were, they would still be making indestructible bricks like what my mom is using. I like the thinner phones, yet I want to be able to rip out the battery if I get frustrated, and I hate needing a SIM card
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I have been trying to point this out to eveyone I work with especially with all of the HTC devices every time a new ver of the evo is coming out all of sudden the old ver starts to fall apart physically and software !! coincident? i dont think so!!!

I do like my D4. Its been the first DROID phone I've been happy with since the 1. Some other slider is going to have to have some prett decent features to get me to switch. Like a better screen and battery life that lasts days.

What should I do now?
Am one of those who'll want a physical keyboard on Android for sure.
Last year waited so much for Droid 3, but bad reviews didn't let me go for it. Early this year got Xperia Pro, which was working very much fine, and then few weeks ago, STOLEN.
Now on a prowl for another Android + keyboard handset. Found Droid 4, but thanks to GSM radio still off (am from India and on GSM) have been more than eagerly waiting for ICS on Droid 4. Now that it is just rolling out, come across Photon Q.
Very much confused which one to go for, Droid 4 or Photon Q?
# Droid 4 has higher battery life among the two (of the data in hand at present), with ICS so late, Jelly Bean would be light years away.
# Photon Q will launch with ICS, so have a chance for Jelly Bean. But battery life doesn't look promising (reviews after the launch will give exact idea). Apart from that, Photon Q looks better with better processor and bigger screen.
Please advice which one should I really go with.
Thanks!

Google laying off Motorola employees... Are we screwed?

Google drops motorola employees...Wonder if that'll affect the release date for ICS... or push it back indefinitely?

Kotyaer said:
Google drops motorola employees...Wonder if that'll affect the release date for ICS... or push it back indefinitely?
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No.

Kotyaer said:
Google drops motorola employees...Wonder if that'll affect the release date for ICS... or push it back indefinitely?
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ICS for the Bionic is practically done. With the Droid4 getting ICS this week, I would have to gander that we are mere weeks away and probably next in line.

we should get it soon since 238 is very very good

IMO this is commonly refereed to as "Trimming the Fat"....and this is a good thing IMO. Motorola will also drop from this past years 28 phones to only a handful, as it should be....i mean really the Bionic and RAZR were almost the exact same phone, either the Bionic should have just been canceled or the RAZR delayed and given better hardware.
In addition, if you read the full article you'll see that Google also laid off 40% of the VP's of Motorola. A lot of these guys made the dumb choices that got the company into the mess its in today.
Going forward, Motorola's new strategy will be only a few devices every year which will reduce the labor needed to develop, maintain and test new features/releases.

Sounds like Google learned something from HTC and Samsung and is going to stick to a few phones instead of a lot of phones. Samsung has the galaxy series and HTC has the One series. This should speed up the update process somewhat as they will have less devices to update. They will still have their low priced options but this should cut down on how many high end devices they release and have to update.
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I hope this is good news for consumers.

Have we all forgotten the terrible firmware that was released with the phones? I can imagine the service provider data feedback must have helped those heads role.
Nothing is wrong with having multiple models, what is wrong is not being able to make it obvious to the customer why they should purchase a particular model.
Lastly we would need to know the production volumes and production line capacities to get a handle on the value of having multiple models; with the downswing in orders folks tend to loose their jobs especially the folks that were beating the drum to turn on any new product.

I think some "restructuring" is certainly in order.
I hope the fewer devices thing, while a good idea doesn't lead to all phones being Razr variants with no removable battery. Or worse, Nexus like phones with no SD card. I got the Bionic over the Razr and Nexus because I loath built in batteries and need all the storage I can get, love the flexibility of an SD card. So sad to see these features becoming less common and on poorly supported devices like the Bionic.
Next phone? Likely a Galaxy S3, removable battery? Check. SD card? 64GB compatible even. Running ICS? Yep. Jelly bean immanent? Yep.
Google better shake things up over at Motorola, I've loved my bionic, but damn Motorola has sucked at marketing and supporting it and the Razrs do nothing for me.

dylanear said:
I think some "restructuring" is certainly in order.
I hope the fewer devices thing, while a good idea doesn't lead to all phones being Razr variants with no removable battery. Or worse, Nexus like phones with no SD card. I got the Bionic over the Razr and Nexus because I loath built in batteries and need all the storage I can get, love the flexibility of an SD card. So sad to see these features becoming less common and on poorly supported devices like the Bionic.
Next phone? Likely a Galaxy S3, removable battery? Check. SD card? 64GB compatible even. Running ICS? Yep. Jelly bean immanent? Yep.
Google better shake things up over at Motorola, I've loved my bionic, but damn Motorola has sucked at marketing and supporting it and the Razrs do nothing for me.
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I agree with your choice. The Galaxy S3 is the right direction for android phones. Even the new Note 10.1 tablet is leading edge for android. Unfortunately, the gross mismanagement of the Droid Bionic/Razr/Razr MAXX indicates how poorly Moto treats their products. FUBAR!!!

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I agree with your choice. The Galaxy S3 is the right direction for android phones. Even the new Note 10.1 tablet is leading edge for android. Unfortunately, the gross mismanagement of the Droid Bionic/Razr/Razr MAXX indicates how poorly Moto treats their products. FUBAR!!!
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Well, as messed up as Motorola/Verizon's handling of the Bionic is, it's nothing compared to the disaster the LG G2x on T-Mobile was. I'm not a violent person, but I have rarely had such rage against a device/pair of companies. The G2x makes a nice media player, just don't try using it as a phone, at least not on a T-Mobile network. Completely dysfunctional.

[Q] Would you recommend an Atrix HD?

Hello, I'm currently using a Motorola Defy, but I need a phone with a bigger screen, so I can edit documents, like word, excel, etc...reading PDF documents, browse on the web a little bit more comfortable, not gaming since I don't play a lot on the phone; that being said, would you recommed a Motorola Atrix HD to me? I was planning to make a BIG effort to get a Samsung Galaxy S3, but, checking on the specs of both, the screen is almost the same, the camera quality is almost the same, I know Motorola Atrix is 2 cores and Galaxy S3 is 4, but for my normal usage 2 cores is more than enough and the difference on the price is also a big plus.
I have being offered with a good deal for the Atrix HD, what do you say? take it or leave it? I would highly appreciate your comments, thank you.
EDIT: this device can be rooted? talking about Samsung Galaxy S3 and HTC One X, these can be rooted?

The latest HTC One X and the Motorola Atrix HD both share the fact they cannot be rooted. You have to get an older HTC One X if you plan on getting root/romming it. While I am not a big Sammy fan, they would be your best bet for rooting.

Well, rooting is important for me :S despite the fact that the phone is not able to be rooted so far...would you recommend it? thanks you!

Despite the non-rooting, I would say that the AHD is a top quality phone. Yes, the SGIII is more powerful machine, but for the $50 I paid for AHD and the $199 I would have paid for the SGIII, it is worth ever dollar.

Just inquiring to how the sg3 is a more powerful phone?
ATRIX HD feels like much more solid phone.
They both have the s4 processor, Same GPU, and the ATRIX HD has better resolution.
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davezaff said:
Just inquiring to how the sg3 is a more powerful phone?
ATRIX HD feels like much more solid phone.
They both have the s4 processor, Same GPU, and the ATRIX HD has better resolution.
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It has 2GB of memory, much better camera, and some of its NFC capabilities is superior, and its info says that it is compatible with the 64 GB sdcard unlike the AHD and the internal sdcard for GSIII is 16GB / 32GB and the AHD only has 8GB

davezaff said:
Just inquiring to how the sg3 is a more powerful phone?
ATRIX HD feels like much more solid phone.
They both have the s4 processor, Same GPU, and the ATRIX HD has better resolution.
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2 GB of ram goes a long way. I know there's a fair amount of wasted ram not being used, but it really does make a difference. The removable battery is a huge bonus and the amount of development on this phone is shockingly underwhelming compared to any variant of the Galaxy S3 (obviously, since global sales of that phone are now over 30 million units). That said, the Atrix HD is a fantastic phone for $49. While Touchwiz has a lot of cool features, Motoblur feels much more polished (in my opinion).
It basically comes down to what you're looking for in a phone. If it's a flagship handset that will be updated by the manufacturer for the duration of your contract and also has the most development of any phone not named Nexus, then the Galaxy S3 is the obvious choice. If you're looking for something a bit cheaper, don't care that it doesn't have all the latest features (pitiful internal storage, gross multi tasking, and no NFC come to mind) but for all intents and purposes does everything a Galaxy S3 can do, then the Atrix HD is a great choice. I like this phone a lot, especially at its price point. However, as soon as the Note 2 drops and doesn't cost ~$800, I'll be moving to that. This phone will never have the developer following that either Samsung phone will have and I won't be stuck for the duration of my contract with a phone that has reached its life expectancy 8 months into my contract.
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Gotcha....i suppose the sg3 does have a little edge on the ATRIX HD.
I just hate Samsung products.....but I definitely understand why people love em.
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davezaff said:
Gotcha....i suppose the sg3 does have a little edge on the ATRIX HD.
I just hate Samsung products.....but I definitely understand why people love em.
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Not to mention the fact my notification LED seems to have bitten the dust already.
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Not to mention the fact my notification LED seems to have bitten the dust already.
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I'm stuck trying to decide which way to go also. My contract just went up but i'm not renewing until I see the new phones at the end of the year. But until then i'm gonna get something. So i've been checking out the atrix hd and one x. I found a good deal on both. 200 for a brand new in box ahd or 280 for a rooted mint condition one x. After playing with both at the at&t store, i'm leaning towards the ahd just because I like the interface better. I like the almost stock ics. But after reading through the forums i'm not so sure anymore. Not being able to save apps onto the sd card really sucks. I don't understand why motorola would do that. Other posts about dead pixels, gps/wifi issues, led notification, phone won't turn on, etc. I don't know if it's worth it anymore. Since i'm not buying from retail I won't be able to return/replace if I have any of these issues. I'm not too worried about root as i'm sure someone will figure that out eventually. I'm gonna buy one of these tomorrow, I just hope I get the right one.

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I'm stuck trying to decide which way to go also. My contract just went up but i'm not renewing until I see the new phones at the end of the year. But until then i'm gonna get something. So i've been checking out the atrix hd and one x. I found a good deal on both. 200 for a brand new in box ahd or 280 for a rooted mint condition one x. After playing with both at the at&t store, i'm leaning towards the ahd just because I like the interface better. I like the almost stock ics. But after reading through the forums i'm not so sure anymore. Not being able to save apps onto the sd card really sucks. I don't understand why motorola would do that. Other posts about dead pixels, gps/wifi issues, led notification, phone won't turn on, etc. I don't know if it's worth it anymore. Since i'm not buying from retail I won't be able to return/replace if I have any of these issues. I'm not too worried about root as i'm sure someone will figure that out eventually. I'm gonna buy one of these tomorrow, I just hope I get the right one.
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Having had both I would definitely go with the One X. The 16 gb of internal storage with no micro sd card slot is a real pain in the ass, but the better screen, camera, and form factor definitely make up for it.
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Having had both I would definitely go with the One X. The 16 gb of internal storage with no micro sd card slot is a real pain in the ass, but the better screen, camera, and form factor definitely make up for it.
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Honestly it's all really a matter of opinion. I personally would go with the Atrix HD simply because of the microSD card slot alone....internal storage can be EASILY filled up these days, whether it's music, videos, pictures, applications, and/or games. Having a 32 GB card in my Atrix certainly alleviates the storage issue. Also, the Atrix HD's camera isn't nearly as bad as some people would claim, and has only been further improved with the latest firmware update (particularly with noise and low light performance). As for the screen, both have lovely screens so it would be hard to go wrong with either.
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I'm stuck trying to decide which way to go also. My contract just went up but i'm not renewing until I see the new phones at the end of the year. But until then i'm gonna get something. So i've been checking out the atrix hd and one x. I found a good deal on both. 200 for a brand new in box ahd or 280 for a rooted mint condition one x. After playing with both at the at&t store, i'm leaning towards the ahd just because I like the interface better. I like the almost stock ics. But after reading through the forums i'm not so sure anymore. Not being able to save apps onto the sd card really sucks. I don't understand why motorola would do that. Other posts about dead pixels, gps/wifi issues, led notification, phone won't turn on, etc. I don't know if it's worth it anymore. Since i'm not buying from retail I won't be able to return/replace if I have any of these issues. I'm not too worried about root as i'm sure someone will figure that out eventually. I'm gonna buy one of these tomorrow, I just hope I get the right one.
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It's a tough decision you have, but I would still go with the Atrix HD. The build quality on my phone has been fantastic and I have had no issues whatsoever with anything. As for not being able to save applications onto the SD card, that is not something that Motorola actually chose to do - rather, it was the choice that Google made when they designed Ice Cream Sandwich. You won't be able to save apps to external memory on the One X.
Also, root shouldn't be an issue for too long.

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Having had both I would definitely go with the One X. The 16 gb of internal storage with no micro sd card slot is a real pain in the ass, but the better screen, camera, and form factor definitely make up for it.
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My main gripe with the ahd is the fact that you can't save apps to the external sd card. WTF. No other phone does that. And they're slick about it too. There is no mention about that only that they have expandable memory as if they're better than one x non-expandable. At least the one x has double the space for apps. I bet there are a ton of returns because of that and unhappy customers hitting their app limit not knowing it can't save to the sd. Besides that, I really like the phone and I still might get it..lol
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Honestly it's all really a matter of opinion. I personally would go with the Atrix HD simply because of the microSD card slot alone....internal storage can be EASILY filled up these days, whether it's music, videos, pictures, applications, and/or games. Having a 32 GB card in my Atrix certainly alleviates the storage issue. Also, the Atrix HD's camera isn't nearly as bad as some people would claim, and has only been further improved with the latest firmware update (particularly with noise and low light performance). As for the screen, both have lovely screens so it would be hard to go wrong with either.
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It's a tough decision you have, but I would still go with the Atrix HD. The build quality on my phone has been fantastic and I have had no issues whatsoever with anything. As for not being able to save applications onto the SD card, that is not something that Motorola actually chose to do - rather, it was the choice that Google made when they designed Ice Cream Sandwich. You won't be able to save apps to external memory on the One X.
Also, root shouldn't be an issue for too long.
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I was under the impression Motorola made that decision. If not, WTF google! Even though the one x doesn't have expandable sd, you can use all of the 16gb internal for apps. I do like the build quality of the atrix better than the one x. I don't really care about the camera as that's not my thing. I'm just disappointed that i'll only have about 5gb available for apps. Let's just hope this thing gets rooted and this whole issue can be fixed with a new rom. Thanks for the inputs guys.. I still have a few hours to decide which to get. I'll post up my purchase later today.

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My main gripe with the ahd is the fact that you can't save apps to the external sd card. WTF. No other phone does that. And they're slick about it too. There is no mention about that only that they have expandable memory as if they're better than one x non-expandable. At least the one x has double the space for apps. I bet there are a ton of returns because of that and unhappy customers hitting their app limit not knowing it can't save to the sd. Besides that, I really like the phone and I still might get it..lol
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I was under the impression Motorola made that decision. If not, WTF google! Even though the one x doesn't have expandable sd, you can use all of the 16gb internal for apps. I do like the build quality of the atrix better than the one x. I don't really care about the camera as that's not my thing. I'm just disappointed that i'll only have about 5gb available for apps. Let's just hope this thing gets rooted and this whole issue can be fixed with a new rom. Thanks for the inputs guys.. I still have a few hours to decide which to get. I'll post up my purchase later today.
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Interested to see what decision you made.

Yes inquiring minds like to know.
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Finally got the phone.
Love it!! Runs so smoth and fast and display is just awesome!!:good::good:

Although I own a Atrix HD and love it. But, I probably would have passed the Atrix HD, if I knew the root is not gonna be available for this long. I'd rather get an HTC one where root is possile.

dcard2000 said:
Although I own a Atrix HD and love it. But, I probably would have passed the Atrix HD, if I knew the root is not gonna be available for this long. I'd rather get an HTC one where root is possile.
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Read this.

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Read this.
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Until the root is available for the released firmware...

dcard2000 said:
Although I own a Atrix HD and love it. But, I probably would have passed the Atrix HD, if I knew the root is not gonna be available for this long. I'd rather get an HTC one where root is possile.
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Most One X's sold in the last two months are un-rootable. An OTA (2.20) in early august prevents rooting, which is required to unlock the boot loader (by spoofing a different device because the AT&T version is not supported), which is required to install custom recovery, to flash ROMs. If easy root and ROMs is your goal you want a Samsung device.
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Any of you guys getting the Moto X?

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I am. I have high hopes for it. Whether or not it gets good support like the AHD is TBD. Hopefully it at least gets ROOT
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I'd consider getting it second hand in 6 months + if it had SD support. For me, spec wise, AHD is all I really need in a phone. Next phone I get will be something like an AHD with a keyboard.
/Conspiracy Theory
I've noticed that as smart phones became better and better, the amount of phones with keyboards decreased. Me thinks they don't make many now-a-days because most people wouldn't have a need for a netbook or a laptop if a phone as powerful and big as the AHD had a keyboard.

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I'd consider getting it second hand in 6 months + if it had SD support. For me, spec wise, AHD is all I really need in a phone. Next phone I get will be something like an AHD with a keyboard.
/Conspiracy Theory
I've noticed that as smart phones became better and better, the amount of phones with keyboards decreased. Me thinks they don't make many now-a-days because most people wouldn't have a need for a netbook or a laptop if a phone as powerful and big as the AHD had a keyboard.
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I completely agree about the SD slot.
Also, the Photon Q is kinda like an AHD with a keyboard.
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skeevydude said:
I'd consider getting it second hand in 6 months + if it had SD support. For me, spec wise, AHD is all I really need in a phone.
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What are your thoughts about support and development for the moto x? I wonder if root will be easily obtained...
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Definitely will not purchase Motorola X. While Motorola phones Have very good build quality. I believe the hardware to be subpar compared to samsung and htc. The motoblur Interface on Atrix HD is a big improvement over that of Atrix 4g. which is a big step in the right direction . However Motorola has with both phones shown that it does not support updates as well as its competitors. for example atrix 4g support ended at android 2.3.6 and atrix Hd support ended at android 4.1.1. Add to this that Motorola Locks Bootloaders Making customization difficult . NO THANKS!

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What are your thoughts about support and development for the moto x? I wonder if root will be easily obtained...
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Depends on the bootloader status. If unlockable, then it will pick up really fast...if not, probably similar to us or the Defy -- depends on how easy it will be to root. Even locked, if its rooted there's a good chance it'll run ports of our roms.
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Definitely will not purchase Motorola X. While Motorola phones Have very good build quality. I believe the hardware to be subpar compared to samsung and htc. The motoblur Interface on Atrix HD is a big improvement over that of Atrix 4g. which is a big step in the right direction . However Motorola has with both phones shown that it does not support updates as well as its competitors. for example atrix 4g support ended at android 2.3.6 and atrix Hd support ended at android 4.1.1. Add to this that Motorola Locks Bootloaders Making customization difficult . NO THANKS!
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Agreed. Though hardware is a moot point since most apps hardly support dual core, let alone quad and otca core phones. With Moto I don't even consider OEM support as a factor since I expect it to be next to nothing from the start. Moto releases OS updates as new devices.... My next phone will probably be HTC or Sony -- both have good OEM features, OEM support, and community support. I'm leaning towards Sony, only because I've never once bought a bad Sony product or had a Sony product break or go bad that wasn't directly related to me abusing the hell out of it.....usually because I drop them.

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Agreed. Though hardware is a moot point since most apps hardly support dual core, let alone quad and otca core phones. With Moto I don't even consider OEM support as a factor since I expect it to be next to nothing from the start. Moto releases OS updates as new devices.... My next phone will probably be HTC or Sony -- both have good OEM features, OEM support, and community support. I'm leaning towards Sony, only because I've never once bought a bad Sony product or had a Sony product break or go bad that wasn't directly related to me abusing the hell out of it.....usually because I drop them.
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Which Sony phone are you looking at getting?
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nokia lumia1020 and MOTO Droid Ultra mini，but the moto Droid Ultra is too expensive while the hardware is not the best。
I have to say the moto X is ugly。。。
I do not like the design，especially the earpieces and the microphone。

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Which Sony phone are you looking at getting?
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I dunno. Whatever Sony has next year that I can afford when I decide to upgrade the AHD.

I'm really interested in the Moto X. I like the look of some of the feature, notifications and active mic. My next upgrade is in Feb, so I'll make a decision at that time. However, I have heard rumor of a Moto Nexus coming (that was the leak rumor last week), if that is true, I may go for that off contract. I know everybody has different opinions on hardware and specs, but the Atrix HD is my 7th Moto phone (2nd android based), and outside of one poor flip phone, they have all been top notch.

I agree with skeevy theory...
as time pass,and android being better each by each year
The company's have been excluding sliding keyboards
I remember when the Samsung epic 4g came out I was thrilled to see a good phone for fast texting and typing emails
As I prefer a phone like the AHD with a sliding keyboard regardless of thickness of the phone
Not much of a big deal
Just like old non-android LG xenon
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Probably a Sony phone as long as they keep micro SD. That feature being implemented or not is very telling about a companies true understanding of it's users. I prefer companies that allow storage expansion.
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I would buy a moto X...I think what google is trying to prove is that one dont need high end spec'ed phone to get good phone experience. Moto X will be a good buy in 6 months...

ai6908 said:
I would buy a moto X...I think what google is trying to prove is that one dont need high end spec'ed phone to get good phone experience. Moto X will be a good buy in 6 months...
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I've been up for a upgrade for a few months now. I'm going to take it and hope for some good development.
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I've been up for a upgrade for a few months now. I'm going to take it and hope for some good development.
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Provided you can unlock the X's boot loader, then it'll probably be on par with us in no time at all. If locked, it might run ports of our roms if it is rooted and a rom flash method like SafeStrap is made.
If I were considering getting one, I'd wait a week to a month to see what's up with it, its quirks, and how much the community will support it.
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Agreed. Though I think X is a mass beta program designed to test out new features for the Nexus line -- the low power cpu cores for always on microphone, the active display. Still, no SD = no Buy. As is, I haven't been able to use any cell radio internet for 3 weeks because I'm 50MB away from overage charges. Until phones either come with 64GB+ or the Phone Companies up the allotted bandwidth to at least 10GB a month, then external storage will still be necessary. The "Cloud" is useless with current Data Plans and 16-32GB isn't that much storage, especially once you start to consider Nandroids, Titanium Backups, music, a movie or three for a long trip, other roms, pictures, and the list goes on and on.

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the Atrix HD is my 7th Moto phone (2nd android based), and outside of one poor flip phone, they have all been top notch.
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my 6th moto (cliq, q9h, v80, slvr, c139 prior) and I too agree with build quality, up there with Nokia for me.
I've also owned about 4 blackberry devices before going android and the build quality and reliability was anywhere from terrible to average.
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Still, no SD = no Buy.
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Vote with your dollar! My feelings exactly. I give Samsung their props for continuing support for SDs and giving consumers what they want (incl. removable battery) Seems like everyone these days is going the other route.
Locked storage capacity + free cloud storage, it's all "politics" from my POV really and I'm not going to support it.
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Agreed. Though I think X is a mass beta program designed to test out new features for the Nexus line -- the low power cpu cores for always on microphone, the active display. Still, no SD = no Buy. As is, I haven't been able to use any cell radio internet for 3 weeks because I'm 50MB away from overage charges. Until phones either come with 64GB+ or the Phone Companies up the allotted bandwidth to at least 10GB a month, then external storage will still be necessary. The "Cloud" is useless with current Data Plans and 16-32GB isn't that much storage, especially once you start to consider Nandroids, Titanium Backups, music, a movie or three for a long trip, other roms, pictures, and the list goes on and on.
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I agree that no SD is a big drawback...but cloud is one of the reason why google phones do not have SD. Only nexus 1 was the only nexus phone with a SD card i think! Well,,,thats the way google goes....i dont know if we have any say to it...unless samsung comes up with its own OS...

I was hopeful for the motorola x but after looking the specs and the fact that doesn't have a external SD I am thinking the Sony honami is my next phone.

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I was hopeful for the motorola x but after looking the specs and the fact that doesn't have a external SD I am thinking the Sony honami is my next phone.
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I try to not get too caught up in the spec war. Look at crapple.....as much as it pains me to say this, they have low specs but they do an excellent job with optimization. So well that they can keep up with some of the new flagship phones.
I think the motoX will deliver a great user experience. And that's what it's all about. I'm not too fond of the no SD card.
I'll still be getting the 32gb model.
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Worth getting Moto X at this point?

So I currently own a S4 on Verizon. I've been wanting the X and my dad said he'd buy my S4 and I found someone with a brand new Moto X 16 gb for $300. I really love the design, nexus like look, and special features of the X. I've played with one at best buy an it is really fast. I'm just worried about a new one coming out soon. I know there will always be new technology but since this has been out for a few months, I'm skeptical. Also the 16gb worries me. I think I've read you're left with 11gb new. I just feel I'm going backwards lol
So I figured I'd ask the users of Moto Xs and see what you guys think. Not really asking if its better than the S4, just if its smart or not to get one at this point. It actually won't cost me anything an I'd actually make some money from selling my dads current S3.
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The trend for Apple and Samsung has been to release a new phone every year (so we should officially hear about the Galaxy S5 in March)
Considering the Moto X hit USA Carrier shelves starting in the tail end of August, if Moto follows that "new release every year" trend, then you're not even halfway through the X's shelf life yet. (only about 4 months of 12).
So if you're just worried about "timing" and you like the phone, then get it... otherwise consider....
Coming from a Galaxy S4, consider the smaller screen. Can your eyes adjust? Non-Removable battery (but the X has better life than my VZW GS4), Camera differences (at first GS4 was noticeably better, but with the recent updates, the X's camera matches the GS4's outdoor and good light abilities, it still lags in low light a little), no removable memory slot (so your MP3's, pix, videos have to take up space in the X's main memory).
Out of the box, a 16gig demo X I had for a while had more memory/storage available than my 16gig GS4 (11gig vs 9). I would still opt for the 32gig model X due to lack of removable Micro-SD slot if you want to keep stuff locally on your phone. That being said, I have friends who got 16gig models, haven't filled them up, and are perfectly happy. Me, I have 7 gig of music on my phone and take lots of pictures of my son (who just turned 5).
The X is my daily driver. I get phones free for my job and for a while via the VCC (don't ask) for personal use. (full list of my phones is -> HERE) The X was the first phone *I purchased* since I got my Moto E815 back in 2006. After using a carrier supplied 16gig Demo X for two months, I purchased the Dev Edition X for Verizon (full price) in early November, and its been my daily driver since. If you look at my phone list, and consider an X (first the demo and now my Dev X) has been on my personal line since early September when I originally got the demo X, you should get an idea of how much I like this phone.

I lived with a 16gb Nexus 4 for a year and unless you have a large music collection, keep many movies on your device or download many 1gb+ games then you will be fine with 16gb. I hovered around 5gb left while keeping one or two full backups as I was flashing roms alot on the N4, that said I was deleting stuff on a regular basis to keep memory free.
If you plan on rooting I would personally recommend the Developer Edition, unlocking and gaining root is very simple and you retain your full Motorola warranty even after unlocking. It is also 32gb, selling the S3 & S4 you should be close to it not costing you anything.

Thank you guys a lot. Very nice info. Yeah, timing is a good reason I was hesitant to pull the trigger. But knowing its still not half way through is nice to know.
Smaller screen, I believe I can adjust. I didn't have any issues when I played with it in best buy. Now I'm sure I'll realize it more as I use it more but I think it'll be okay. Its more knowing I'm going from 1080p to 720, but I know its not a huge difference an really only noticeable if you set the devices next to one another. I don't store anything on my phone. All music is through Google music. Though I keep a couple playlists of about 100 songs each stored on phone through Google music, but not a huge deal since I have unlimited data. I also never change out batteries so the removal one isn't a deal breaker.
Lastly I Dont bother rooting my phones anymore cause I always end up tinkering too much lol so I just want a solid, fast device. I'm just tired of Samsung's slow UI cover. Plus I hear so much praise on the X with its features that I want to try. Just worry downgrading in specs but I know performance is just as good as the S4. Main thing is the screen I guess.
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The colors on the Moto X are better imo as well as many other people then the S4. As far as specs just remember this might be the first time the software and hardware have been trully optimized for Android, when that's done there is no need to use more processor cores just like Apple has been doing with I-phones.
I have been a flashing junkie since I bought an original Droid, I rooted my Dev Edition for the main purpose of using Titanium Backup for games and apps in case there is a bad update in the Play Store. I found using Xposed with the Gravity Box module gave me practically every option I usually looked for in a rom while using the stock software, I have since flashed all my families devices back to stock and use Gravity Box.
I don't think you have to worry about Moto releasing a new phone until late summer/fall, they know that style of releasing phones every few months doesn't work for them as it does for Samsung. Producing quality handsets and supporting them with very fast updates is winning Motorola new/past customers and the way they are treating the Android community is something that the other OEM's should strive to emulate.

Yeah the internal specs Dont bother me much because the I know the performance is still top notch. Its mostly the the screen adjustment and going for a 5" screen to 4.7". But I think itd be nice to be able to use my phone again with one hand lol my S4 I can do most things one handed but there are still definitely instances where I need two.
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tu3218 said:
Yeah the internal specs Dont bother me much because the I know the performance is still top notch. Its mostly the the screen adjustment and going for a 5" screen to 4.7". But I think itd be nice to be able to use my phone again with one hand lol my S4 I can do most things one handed but there are still definitely instances where I need two.
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If you decide to buy, I have a way to knock $50 off for you http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2617346

freeintruth said:
If you decide to buy, I have a way to knock $50 off for you http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2617346
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Thank you so much but I'd be buying it from someone off Craigslist for $300, brand new in package. But I appreciate the offer.
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I don't see how the Moto x2 could be much better. LOL
Plus it'll cost way more.
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Absolutely. The X is the first phone I don't really care what the internal specs are or feel compelled to switch to CM or any other roms. I love it.

S3 ->Note 2 -> s4 -> HTC one -> nexus 4 -> moto x
My point is I've slowly downgraded the spec sheet and have no regrets. Comparing apples to apples. Every device listed was running AOSP/AOKP/CM and the last 2 phones have been by far the smoothest even though on paper they don't quite stack up to the others. Battery life is above average but not great in my opinion but the ergonomics of this phone is one of the best I've had in a long time
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Best phone I've ever owned. It's so fast and fluid even with the "inferior" specs. Not only that, but coming from a Droid DNA with its 1080p screen, I prefer the Moto X screen with the much nicer colors and I can't even tell the difference in resolution.
Get the Moto X.

Putting in my 2 cents,
I have had a Galaxy note 2 with a 5.5in screen for the past year. I love the phone, mostly due to the amazing battery life and the large screen.
I bought my wife a Moto X last week. I have since rooted it, and have been tinkering with it. I gotta say, I want one. I don't really mind the difference in screen size that much. Battery life is just as good, if not better (remains to be further tested). Always on voice controls are super cool. And you have kitkat.
I wouldn't pay attention to the so called "specs". Yeah it's a dual core compared to my quad core Note 2, but in reality it is just as snappy (if not snappier)
Plus, my Note 2's compass sensor has always been dysfunctional. It never was steady, just jumps around. When I saw Windy Day and how flawlessly it worked with the built-in sensors, I was blown away.
I think Motorola is on the right path. With the recently lowered prices, near stock experience and the unlocked developer edition (on Verizon, which I still can't believe those bastards allowed it) Moto X is an awesome phone with great value. I especially like that Moto is going for improving the overall experience rather than getting into a pissing contest over specs.
I hate, really *HATE* Verizon, but let's face it, they have the best LTE network and I still happen to have unlimited data. I especially hate their practice of not letting anybody else sell devices that are compatible with Verizon's network (ie. Nexus 7). I hate the fact that I can't simply buy a cheap new phone from the manufacturer, but instead have to buy them from Verizon or their approved vendors like BestBuy for much more than what they would cost direct from the manufacturer.
I honestly can't believe that Motorola was able to price the Moto X at $399 with no contract on Verizon. Verizon likes to say that the phones actually cost $700 but you're getting a $400 discount when you sign a contract and pay $300 for the phone, when in reality, the phone would cost $400 and you're only getting a hundred bucks for signing the contract. Kudos to Moto. I hope it sets the stage for other manufacturers

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Its mostly the the screen adjustment and going for a 5" screen to 4.7".,
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Coming from a Note 2, the adjustment wasn't difficult at all. The only thing I miss is multi-window.

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Coming from a Note 2, the adjustment wasn't difficult at all. The only thing I miss is multi-window.
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Verizon has the moto x for 50 bucks right now with a 2 year contract. I just bought one for my son. My wife and I both have the DE phones I paid 450 each on motorola.com...I have unlimited on both. Best phone I have ever owned hands down.

Well my original offer fell through but I'm suppose to be getting a 32gb version tomorrow for $350. So fingers crossed!
I never use multiwindow on my S4 so won't miss that. And the IR blaster, very cool but I only use when screwing around with friends TVs lol I think in the end, the moto x has more useful extras than the galaxy devices.
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If you're worried about space, it does come with 50gb added to your drive storage on Google
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Yeah true. Well since I'm gonna get a 32gb version, I should be set.
I just hope this phone doesn't show its age too soon. Just read an artical comparing the nexus 5 and X. Talking about the X showing its age quicker. Which is obvious since the nexus 5 has upgraded processor, etc. But just hoping I don't slow downs in speed and use in a year from now.
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This phone is hands-down the best that I've ever used. Not only in performance, but features too.

tu3218 said:
Yeah true. Well since I'm gonna get a 32gb version, I should be set.
I just hope this phone doesn't show its age too soon. Just read an artical comparing the nexus 5 and X. Talking about the X showing its age quicker. Which is obvious since the nexus 5 has upgraded processor, etc. But just hoping I don't slow downs in speed and use in a year from now.
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If you have the mindset about not getting a phone because its going to be outdated or not the newest, shiniest in a year your never going to get a phone!!!
The phone cycle is practically six months or so.
To be honest, phones are hitting their critical ass point ad far as specs go. When all these reviews talk about this phone is faster than that one they're talking millisecond at this point.
Find a phone that you like size wise, screen looks good to you and just buy it.
If you don't ur always gonna be waiting for the next new thing.
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