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Hello everyone. As you can probably tell I am new to this forum. I recently bought my first PPC (Tilt) and I am thoroughly happy with my device (thus far). Seeing how I am new to this genre of phones. I decided to surf the internet to see what kind of info was available for my new toy. To make a long story short, after I surfing the internet and visiting many different forums. I noticed the XDA or XDA developers being used frequently. So I decided to do a Google search which directed me here. I must admit I am thoroughly impressed by this forum (website) and plan to be a contributing member. I have learned so much about the capabilities of my phone. You guys are really amazing. Which leads me to my problem? I am having a difficult time understanding the verbiage being used to describe the various different upgrade features being discuss on this board. All That being said I have some question I would like to ask. But first I have decided to condense my questions on one thread as to make it easier for other interested parties as well as for me to find. However feel free to direct my question or to add a link that can answer my question at your convenience as I know many (if not all) these question have been answered in other threads (sorry remember I am unfamiliar with all these new words).
1)Is there some sort of getting started manual that I can used to better understand the various different words being used on this forum?
What does flash, cooking, roms, etc mean?
2) I would like to get rid of all the ATT stuff (for a lack of a better word) that on my phone and upload all the high speed HTC stuff.
I would like to do this in hopes of increasing performance as well as to have all the programs and features that where meant for the TYTN 2. If one could list the steps or refer me to the link that could do this it would be greatly appreciated.
3)How does a person find out about the various different applications or program that are available for my phone?
This would be of great interest to me. In particularly when it comes to music and radio stations. What is the best music/media player available? What is the best program to listen to various radio stations? And what site can I use to research this stuff?
4) Lastly I am really interested in all this voip stuff (Skyp, Google talk, etc). It would be pretty cool to use the internet to make phone calls instead of paying for daytime minutes. How would one go about doing this? Am I to understand that I can used my phone exactly the same way but through the internet?
I wanted to take the time to thank those who answered my question (and those that didn’t) as well as to developer of this board.
Thank you
Bulldog1
i think if you spend some time looking through these forums you'll be able to extrapolate many of these answers.
i'm not trying to be a jerk but your questions are kind of extensive and mostly answered with a bit of digging.
sorry.
Bulldog1 said:
Hello everyone. As you can probably tell I am new to this forum.
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Welcome to the forum...
Bulldog1 said:
1)Is there some sort of getting started manual that I can used to better understand the various different words being used on this forum?
What does flash, cooking, roms, etc mean?
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No manual - you learn from osmosis.
I am pretty new around here as well... but a long time lurker...
So - to help as much as possible - here is a quick answer to your questions:
Flashing is when you overwrite / rewrite the firmware. It is the method used to put different ROMs on your device.
Cooking is where you create a custom ROM image - so it comes customized with whatever the chef puts on it.
ROM - think of it as an operating system image that is transfered from your computer to your device.
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2) I would like to get rid of all the ATT stuff (for a lack of a better word) that on my phone and upload all the high speed HTC stuff.
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Go to the Kaiser Upgrading subforum - sticky at the top is the place to start.
Bulldog1 said:
3)How does a person find out about the various different applications or program that are available for my phone?
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Read read read.
Bulldog1 said:
This would be of great interest to me. In particularly when it comes to music and radio stations. What is the best music/media player available? What is the best program to listen to various radio stations? And what site can I use to research this stuff?
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This site is chalk full of information about these kinds of things: Kaiser is pretty new - so hit one of the other forums under XDA. Software sitting on top of the OS should be pretty standard... ;-)
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4) Lastly I am really interested in all this voip stuff (Skyp, Google talk, etc). It would be pretty cool to use the internet to make phone calls instead of paying for daytime minutes. How would one go about doing this? Am I to understand that I can used my phone exactly the same way but through the internet?
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Kinda. But not as well. Data connections are more prone to dropping than voice calls.
It is cheaper to call internationally though... ;-)
So if you have a good connection and you aren't moving... it is a great alternative.
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I wanted to take the time to thank those who answered my question (and those that didn’t) as well as to developer of this board.
Thank you
Bulldog1
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Welcome dude.
-Daniel
yeah, a glossary of terms would be great. as I read more it makes more sense and I find myself searching some of the terms online. be nice to have somewhere with meanings of WWE, SPL etc mean.
Welcome to the board. I would recomend reading all the wiki's that are stuck in each section and also the search button will bring many many threads on all the questions you have asked. Try this one to get you started. http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser Good luck
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I'm in the same boat as you. I read through the posts here and found them really helpful, especially the stickied ones about flashing ROMs.
The best way to get rid of the AT&T stuff is to flash your ROM. Flashing your rom to the HTC-rom will wipe the AT&T bundled software and replace it with the set that comes with the TyTn II (although no TomTom).
I've been trying to find answers to some of your questions too (especially where to find good software and media players), so I'm looking forward to replies from the older members.
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yeah, a glossary of terms would be great. as I read more it makes more sense and I find myself searching some of the terms online. be nice to have somewhere with meanings of WWE, SPL etc mean.
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WWE: World Wide English
SPL: System Programming Language (my guess?)
Welcome to the forum, i am also new. As to your question of what is the best media player, it is TCMP, it plays almost everything (even .flv files!) but support has been discontinued because the ppl made it a commercial product...mind you very tech savy ppl are still continuing support for it and adding codecs and stuff.
to download it and some codects, go to this website:
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ht...cial-hybrid-media-player-all-codecs-here.html
Hope that helped
Thank you. I can understand that some question may too broad to answer in this thread. I understand that alot of my question are answered in other threads and for this I appologies.
The the reason I ask those question is becuase I do not understand the language being used. I have read (reread) the stinky under the kaiser upgrades tabs but still do not understand what exactly it is saying (or what it is supposed to do).
While I agree most of my other questions can be answered in other threads it would be of great help to me if someone could explain in greater detail to me my question number 2 which I have reprinted below.
I would like to get rid of all the ATT stuff (for a lack of a better word) that on my phone and upload all the high speed HTC stuff.
I would like to do this in hopes of increasing performance as well as to have all the programs and features that where meant for the TYTN 2. If one could list the steps or refer me to the link that could do this it would be greatly appreciated.
thank u
Bulldog1 said:
I would like to get rid of all the ATT stuff (for a lack of a better word) that on my phone and upload all the high speed HTC stuff.
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Step 1: Download and use kaiser-HardSPLv1.zip and follow directions found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1562805&postcount=1
Step 2: Download HTC rom from here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/5781641...dio_sign_22.45.88.07_1.27.12.11_Ship.rar.html
UnRar and run the executable.
Pat yourself on the back for getting me to type this out instead of reading the other forum yourself. ;-)
Oh - and if anything goes wrong... don't blame me.
You will also need the keyboard fix found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1565226&postcount=1
Later.
-Daniel
dweidman said:
Step 1: Download and use kaiser-HardSPLv1.zip and follow directions found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1562805&postcount=1
Step 2: Download HTC rom from here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/5781641...dio_sign_22.45.88.07_1.27.12.11_Ship.rar.html
UnRar and run the executable.
Pat yourself on the back for getting me to type this out instead of reading the other forum yourself. ;-)
Oh - and if anything goes wrong... don't blame me.
You will also need the keyboard fix found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1565226&postcount=1
Later.
-Daniel
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You guys are great, I can see a sprite of sharing and helping in this forum. Again, you guys are the best, especially thanks to Daniel.
I bought a Chinese unlocked version Kaiser in Hong Kong, and I found out that it is not that convenience to me even though I can read Chinese. With Chinese Windows, it runs very slow. I decided to flash the ROM with HTC standard English ROM.
However, because of warranty issue, I need to backup the Chinese OS ROM, and restore it to its original setting if in case I have to take it back to HTC for repairing.
I am totally new to PPC or WM devices (I used to be a Palm lover), I wonder if anyone of you can tell me how to "Backup" and "Restore" the ROM. Detail instructions will be highly appreciated.
Sorry for my stupid questions, but I really don't know how. Whether I get the instructions or not, YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!!!!!!!!!
ROMS AND OPINIONS (if you care)
Everytime this type of question is mentioned and discussed is pointless and has no pertinent use of obtaining any real information as each ROM is cooked to different needs for different cooks. The only way to find out which ROM is best for you is to read each Cook's thread and all the posts of what people are talking about and to try each ROM for yourself. And if none of the ROMs are what you're looking for then the only true way to satisfy your needs is to stop being a customer and become a chef yourself and cook up the ROM the way you like it.
It doesn't take long to flash your phone and play with it for a bit. If you don't like it then flash it with a different ROM and try that out. The longest time you'll spend is most likely downloading the ROMs. So I suggest to start downloading all the ROMs you'd like to try and save the to your HD and the just start loading a ROM on to your phone until you find one that you like.
And PLEASE do not post bugs or problems with the ROMs until you've read all the posts in that ROMs thread as it's most likely been mentioned and stated how to correct the problem. i.e. SMS not working in some ROMs.
And the first page of each Cook's ROM threads state what they've done and usually post pictures of the ROMs so you have an idea of what you're tasting. So READ and enjoy!
Yet another one of these threads?!?
you should read the wiki and the stickies at the top of the forums...
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
hi, i find of really use these kind of question, there is a lot of ROMs, and little information of their performance, by example, my problem is that i don't know if my phone is slow or the rom, wich uses less power...
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hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
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hestlen said:
hi, i find of really use these kind of question, there is a lot of ROMs, and little information of their performance, by example, my problem is that i don't know if my phone is slow or the rom, wich uses less power...
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That's why I replied and said to go to a cook's ROM and read the entire thread of what other users have posted! Don't expect a free handout here. You have to read to learn.
yaboistarr said:
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
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christ... do you need to bold and highlight everything?
there's no 1 rom that'll suit all users / we all have different preferences
"overview are already given by the ROM author/cook in their own respect threads"...
if you you cant be bothered to read and try/error yourself then i'm sorry, no one here can help you...
stick with the official rom you're using now... this would cause you the least issues...
otherwise go get an iphone/nokia
well, im always in good mood on helping new guys (coz im new and i know how hard is to jump in a so technical forum without any help), and personally i find comments like "tehres a lot of threads like this...bla bla", very unuseful...better to not answer at all instead of answering without giving informations...
anyway, as stated before, there is a lot of ROMs here, so search the one that will fit better your personality and don't bother ...
(jk)
is best to know what kind of improvements you'r searching.
Most of the info are coded in the title of the thread , so you can speed up a bit your research.
For example : [25.01.09] is the release date, this become useful when you need to track a ROM to see if there is some new updates, or just to locate the ROM in the time...
[WM.6.5.3] : it shows the OS (Windows Mobile 6.5.3) that will replace your old, lazy Windows Mobile 6.1, installed in all the official ROMs.
So if you are searching for a ROM including WiMo 6.5 or Android etc... this will be the code that should shine on your eyes.
[Manila.....] it means that the User Interface Manila (tipical in HTC products like Diamond, HD etc) was ported in the device, so you will get a pretty new user interface that you can also use like a panel instead of having it as default interface.
Others criteria can be referred to the pureness of a ROM or declare what kind of customizations were made by the cook , so a [WM.6.5 PURE] means that you will find ONLY the improvement of WM6.5.
Others are like brands, recalling the name of the cook, or the name of a "famous" ROM that has been changed in several aspect from the original but that will keep the feeling of the original one (like Touch-IT, SEX1, Un-Off series)...
Some others will refer to a specific HTC phone [LEO] or [TOPAZ], this means that the ROM were basically ported from an HTC device to another, or from another device to our X1 (see X2 ROMS) ...
Or you can find language indications [ITA] or [ENG] or [SWE] etc etc...
But first you need to know what you are searching for ...
For sure switching to WM6.5 is a huge change (imho) , avoiding Manila will save a lot of RAM, searching for some X2 stuff will give you some eye candy etc etc...
personally i installed on first days of December the SEX1 Pure WM 6.5 ROM from gtrab... amazing...simply amazing... very fast and bug free... it gave additional months of life to my X1.
On how to install a custom ROM (pretty different from updating ROM via SEUS) there is 2 sticky threads in this forum, you should learn how to do it by yourself...so don't ask about this...
Enjoy your X1 !
thanks a lot for the usefull information fiizu, im sure this will contiinuue to help some people regardless of how many similar threads there are.
for the other bored users who like to post useless information like those above, please don't..... im sure there are some interesting threads out there for you guys. (all irrelevant post will be deleted)
Once again thanlss fizu for the useful info.
by the way I do have some interesting programs let me know if you want any...
windows mobile torrent
morphgear emulator
coreplayer
windows video downloader(download youtube vids plus more)
microsft voice command
bing translator (translate entire conversations into a different language)
songloader(like limewire)
music id (from shazam)
about 11 great wvga games
and a few other stuff..
once again any simple/helpful information would be appreciated.
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thanks a lot for the usefull information fiizu, im sure this will contiinuue to help some people regardless of how many similar threads there are.
for the other bored users who like to post useless information like those above, please don't..... im sure there are some interesting threads out there for you guys. (all irrelevant post will be deleted)
Once again thanlss fizu for the useful info.
by the way I do have some interesting programs let me know if you want any...
windows mobile torrent
morphgear emulator
coreplayer
windows video downloader(download youtube vids plus more)
microsft voice command
bing translator (translate entire conversations into a different language)
songloader(like limewire)
music id (from shazam)
about 11 great wvga games
and a few other stuff..
once again any simple/helpful information would be appreciated.
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How are any of the posts that Senior members like myself have posted are useless? You can't really experience a cook's ROM by asking other people. What someone might like might not be what's best for you. You really need to learn more about how this forum works. This isn't your typical forum where you can ask and get. This is a forum where you learn from experience, hence "Devolopers" in the title.
And the sharing of "warez" is not allowed! So you obviously have a lot of learning and reading to do. First off, start with the stickies on the main pages.
I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
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I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
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And if you want other users opinions about ROMs then go to the specific ROM threads and READ!
@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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lots people stop cooking X1 rom nowaday in this forum, it seems really sad, like 1-2 new rom every week
the best rom i can say in term of speed, stable, responsive would be wildchild 6.1 rom almost a year ago, its download likes only 60-70mb though, nothing install and you can install whatever you want after then
vietdoan20062006
yaboistarr said:
I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
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Not overload link and you start a new thread...??? Is people like you who over load
Thanks for the info.
I've been wanting to ask the same question but I'm waaaayy to shy to get flamed. There is such a thing as a bad answer and it's the one that contains useless or condescending material (like asking how to enable root login in linux, we know it's bad form but regurgitation of that is just stupid, answer the question or don't post).
That being said, I've been through these forums, have loaded several roms on and have tried to read through the rom pages. I have also noticed that sometimes things like radio version are missing from rom pages and that there's 110 or so pages of comments. Unfortunately, I don't have near enough time to look through that many comments, though I'd love to. This thread, due to one great answer, is awesome.
Basically, I forget the name, but sernior dude that keeps posting to read the comments and whatnot, in that same amount of time, could probably have contributed quite a bit to this thread, being in the know and probably having an opinion on the various roms/chefs/whatnot...
Also, a stikied thread where chef's can add their new roms to a table, or something on those lines, would be a huge benefit to everyone and save tonnes of time, not to mention it would get more spotlight for each chef as one wouldn't have to search through the billions of forum pages to find a rom...
Looking for an android rom at the moment, personally
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@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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There's always time to learn...I own my own business working ungodly hours a week and I manage to find time to get on the forums to read/download ROMs. I was being straight forward about my approach, but I wasn't being rude at all. I can prove posts to where I'm rude. But for someone who's wanting to flash ROMs is willing to read to flash their phone, but not willing to read and find out what each cook has specifically done to their ROMs and asking for opinions instead is just flat out lazy.
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Thanks for the info.
I've been wanting to ask the same question but I'm waaaayy to shy to get flamed. There is such a thing as a bad answer and it's the one that contains useless or condescending material (like asking how to enable root login in linux, we know it's bad form but regurgitation of that is just stupid, answer the question or don't post).
That being said, I've been through these forums, have loaded several roms on and have tried to read through the rom pages. I have also noticed that sometimes things like radio version are missing from rom pages and that there's 110 or so pages of comments. Unfortunately, I don't have near enough time to look through that many comments, though I'd love to. This thread, due to one great answer, is awesome.
Basically, I forget the name, but sernior dude that keeps posting to read the comments and whatnot, in that same amount of time, could probably have contributed quite a bit to this thread, being in the know and probably having an opinion on the various roms/chefs/whatnot...
Also, a stikied thread where chef's can add their new roms to a table, or something on those lines, would be a huge benefit to everyone and save tonnes of time, not to mention it would get more spotlight for each chef as one wouldn't have to search through the billions of forum pages to find a rom...
Looking for an android rom at the moment, personally
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The OP is willing to read about how flash his phone, but not willing to read what each ROM is about? I could share my experiences, but if you want to know what I think then go to each ROM specific thread and read what I've written! And if you're too lazy to really read the entire thread and find out what the ROM is really about because of the "I don't have time" excuse then just read the first page of each cook's ROM. There's almost always pictures, change logs, updates, and a good general wealth of information of what that ROM is about.
There should be no reason for threads to be started about which ROM is best for me as it's been stated a few times now that basically it's "To Each and Their Own!" This forum is about research and development. RESEARCH!
@im packing
really how you can judge the time of other people?
teach me that...please !
How can you say that the statement "i don't have time" is just an excuse and "help me" is lazyness...
Im not talking about how many hours you work weekly or daily....you are supposed to work during your job time and not learn xda dev fora... im talking about people that once finished the working time may have 1 or 2 hours to reach their houses and then deal with kids, wife, dogs, house management etc etc etc... to fall destroyed on their beds and wake up 5 hours later to restart again and again...
they don't have the right to acces this forum knowledge to have a better device?
or they don't deserve simply your patience and attention...?
explain me...
while i respect the job that you claimed for this community, you seems to me a bit arrogant...
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while i respect the job that you claimed for this community, you seems to me a bit arrogant...
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believe me ...he is not arrogant if you try to maintain the same level with him
I see there is a radio rom here that you can flash that supposedly increases battery life and signal now does this rom work with Damage's rom (i prefer as video works) also if you do flash to this new rom what are some downsides to using it can you revert back to default radio?
None the less I have to also say jesu GREAT JOB GUYS this new rom has changed my phone comp both Fresh and Damages roms were leaps and bounds above sprints default and I am just dumb founded on why these guys dont work for htc or sprint themselves ill be donating at the beg of the month to both of you guys great work!
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i see there is a radio rom here that you can flash that supposedly increases battery life and signal now does this rom work with damage's rom (i prefer as video works) also if you do flash to this new rom what are some downsides to using it can you revert back to default radio?
None the less i have to also say jesu great job guys this new rom has changed my phone comp both fresh and damages roms were leaps and bounds above sprints default and i am just dumb founded on why these guys dont work for htc or sprint themselves ill be donating at the beg of the month to both of you guys great work!
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bumpity bump!
heres your answer young lad.
auxney: okay, that was unnecessary.
as for your question, was it really necessary to make a thread about this? if you saw the radio posted on a thread, simply click it and read the directions. use search to see if it works on damagecontrol. it makes things a lot faster and gets the forum less cluttered. there's even a tutorial on geekfor.me step by step for flashing the radio.
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auxney: okay, that was unnecessary.
as for your question, was it really necessary to make a thread about this? if you saw the radio posted on a thread, simply click it and read the directions. use search to see if it works on damagecontrol. it makes things a lot faster and gets the forum less cluttered. there's even a tutorial on geekfor.me step by step for flashing the radio.
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sorry that is how you feel, i read the radio threads and it seems it so back and forth I wanted clear concise answers but to each there own, sorry the forums are cluttered and this bothers you too.
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heres your answer young lad.
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I guess you hate gay people, yes I am homosexual I don't understand what that has to do with anything, you have followed me around on other forums harrassing me because of my sexuality auxny I dont get it whats the deal?
**screw it im not going to be harassed on yet another forum by auxny**
i know no one cares but ill just delete this account sorry i asked a question.
dont feel bad for yourself its not your fault you didnt know how to use the search function
702DROID said:
dont feel bad for yourself its not your fault you didnt know how to use the search function
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hahahah oh.. should I stop laughing?
Hi all,
I'm quite new to this android stuff, and especially modding. And I have to tell that I feel a bit lost.
After a few days browsing this forum and other places on the internet, I think I know what a ROM and rooting are. But here I see things like kernels, radio, bootloaders... could someone explain me what those are and how they are related together? Or show me an url that explains all this.
Thanks a lot!
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Hi all,
I'm quite new to this android stuff, and especially modding. And I have to tell that I feel a bit lost.
After a few days browsing this forum and other places on the internet, I think I know what a ROM and rooting are. But here I see things like kernels, radio, bootloaders... could someone explain me what those are and how they are related together? Or show me an url that explains all this.
Thanks a lot!
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Im not real sure how to explain all this stuff in great detail but i will try and tell you all that i know. I think a kernel has to do with the drivers and things like that. A radio has to do with the everything that uses connections, i guess you would call it. Like your phone's network, wifi, bluetooth, etc. And for the bootloader i don't really know how to explain it but press and hold the power button and the trackball at the same time. thats the bootloader.
This should help some... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619153
Bricolo_fr said:
Hi all,
I'm quite new to this android stuff, and especially modding. And I have to tell that I feel a bit lost.
After a few days browsing this forum and other places on the internet, I think I know what a ROM and rooting are. But here I see things like kernels, radio, bootloaders... could someone explain me what those are and how they are related together? Or show me an url that explains all this.
Thanks a lot!
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Hi Bricolo!
Welcome to the forums!
I'll help you out here, but you're going to have to do some work too.
How about I do two, and you do two?
[Google]: android "what is a rom"
http://forum.androidcentral.com/hacking/6037-general-rom-faq.html
If you’re new to the Android platform (don’t be bashful, all of us were not too long ago), you’ll see terms floating around the forums that you might not be familiar with. “ROM” is one of those terms. A ROM image is a data file that contains information used on a Read Only Memory chip. For our purposes, that means a complete system image of an Android device. Each Android device has it’s own ROM image that contains files and code needed to boot the device up and run Android on it. But this is only part of a ROM. A ROM also contains a GUI (graphical user interface), required and useful applications, support files for those applications and the kernel. Let’s have a look at the parts that make a ROM.
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http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-general-discussions/37418-what-rom.html
"ROM" is just a generic term for the software that makes up the OS, and a bit of a misnomer. This term could easily be changed to "OS sofware" or "system software". It does mean Read Only Memory, but ROM likely comes from that part of the system memory, since you dont want to be able to write over the system files (easily).
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[Google]: android "what is a kernel"
http://androidforums.com/developer-101/62548-what-kernel.html
A kernel is basically the bridge between applications and the data processing at the hardware level. It serves as a level of abstraction for communication.
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http://www.applematters.com/article/how-long-will-apple-keep-the-mach-microkernel/
The easy answer is a kernel is the core of any operating system. DOS, Windows, UNIX, OS X and Linux all have some type of kernel. The implementations change but the basic concept remains the same. A kernel interfaces directly with the system’s hardware and is the lowest level of software. There are two types of kernels, micro-kernels and monolithic-kernels.
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[Google]: android "what is a radio"
Your site(s) here.
[Google]: android "what is a bootloader"
You can do it!
[Google]: android "what is a X"
Google: It really is that easy
Good stuff Paul, it's refreshing to see someone go out of their way to help a newbie every once in a while
There are more polite ways to respond to this guy. Some people learn through interaction. I'm glad someone went out of their way to explain things to this guy. It's a shame how cut throat this community can be sometimes.
I agree, the attitude and lame jokes are really immature at times. Thanks paul for putting a lil effort and explaining few of the key points than cracking the usual radio is a fm/am joke here, the extreme nerdism almost kills me! lol.
As for the cutthroat and "nerdism" out there in this community, you have to remember, most of us that are regulars are ones that have been on this forum for a loooooooong while and not just in the Nexus One sections. I have migrated from WM to Android and see these posts time and time again.
There are Stickied "Noob" guilds galore, there is a search feature, there are TONS of resources out there for someone who puts in a MINIMAL effort can get this BASIC information.
When I first came here, I didn't just open a new post on "what is a ROM and ..." I read, I researched and when something wasn't clear and needed more information that wasn't out there, THEN I posted.
Those of us that may seem like we have an attitude aren't mean people, we don't expect everyone to come here with all the answers an NO questions, we just have an expectation that they at least put forth a LITTLE effort on figuring something out.
Paul did a great job in searching, but you have to wonder why the OP didn't even TRY and google anything or search here?
The impression I got is that it is not worth the OP's time to even try, so they put up a post asking these questions and expected the community to do all the work for them and compile some massive resource into a post that the OP most likely won't read and then start asking questions that were already answered in replies or links.
I have seen this happen time and time again on this board and others, so yeah, I am a bit of a jerk when someone puts forth no effort of their own.
Thanks a lot, Paul and the guys that helped
About me asking, and being new here... I DID search on this forum, but didn't find everything I needed. I used the search function, read the sticky threads, googled... After this, I still had questions, meaning that the information I got was not sufficient and that the additional information I was seeking wasn't accessible enough here. So that's why I asked.
If you don't like new people asking questions, but only expect new members to be experienced ones that will arrive with software/tricks/roms/etc "gifts" for you,you should reconsider your lifes. Maybe as sultans or something similar I agree with the remark about nerdy attitudes. Do you really think this is needed? If my topic is unwanted here, some people called moderators will lock or delete it, it seems it hasn't happened so far...
Back to the initial topic...
Well, maybe I did not make things clear enough. I'm not a complete computer noob. I know what a ROM is (not being specific to android devices), what an OS is, how to write a few lines of code, etc...
From what I understood, the bootloader can be see as the bios in a PC. It can execute a few tasks (diagnostics, rom flash, starting the OS...). The ROM contains the OS, software, config, etc...
As I said, what I don't really see is how all the things are related to each other. On this forum (and other places) I see a lot of alternative ROMs. I do understand what they are and their use. However I also see topics about kernels and radios, and that got me a bit lost. Aren't they already included in the ROMs?
Also, I'd like to learn a bit about how alternative ROMs are created. When additional features (applications?) are added to a ROM (features that were existing on other devices), is it "simply" the application files that from the other device that have been included to the ROM? When new features are added (not coming from other devices, like trackball led), how is that made? I assume it is added to the code somewhere, so is all the code available?
Thanks for helping
I'm going to move this thread to the Q&A section, and also clean up the noob bashing. Remember, not only is bashing discouraged throughout the entire site, but doing it in the Q&A section will likely earn you a short vacation from XDA.
Thanks,
NATF
Hi! I looked at many threads here but I dont really understand anythin about ROMS etc. , I wanted to ask everybody, which is the faster ROM for xperia X1?
I tried Android with Haret and realy liked it but there's no ROM for it at this time, can you help me ??
just type the link fot the less laggy ROM or somthing..
or maybe everybody go help making a clean ROM of Android 2.2 because this is the future!!! Winmo is sooo bad when you can have android!
thanks in advance, sorry for bad english!
This question have been asked lots of times... Make a search, read users posts in each ROM thread and most important TEST the ones you think suits you.
Cheers!
cristidotro said:
This question have been asked lots of times... Make a search, read users posts in each ROM thread and most important TEST the ones you think suits you.
Cheers!
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dont want to break my phone with flashing or something, just want to use the 1 thats better..
and for the search sorry but these threads here are an incredible mess/disorder
ilgreco112 said:
dont want to break my phone with flashing or something, just want to use the 1 thats better..
and for the search sorry but these threads here are an incredible mess/disorder
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I don't know if anyone broke his Xperia while flashing custom ROMs with the correct procedure, but I'll say it's 1 in 1000 cases. Read the stickies and again the ROMs Threads and choose the one you want.
If you want a bugless and fast ROM keep the original 6.1 rom and you won't have any problem.
Mod edit: duplicate, redundant, closed
For the future pls stop opening threads twice, you already mentioned mess-ups and disorder and right away added to them.
Also q&a is not well liked, as the different answers you are certain to get will not necessarily help you at all. Nobody describes their usage behaviour while rating a rom same as you didn't offer yours when asking for ratings. So what is good for others might not be good for you.
There are many threads like "what is the best rom...", check those, there is one with "incomplete comparison between...", check that as well if you like. After that it's up to you. Try and error is definitely an essential part of the process.
DK