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Difference between ROM and Kernel?

Hello,
Sorry for this very basic question, I am just wondering what is the difference between a Kernel and a ROM? I see in the development forum there are lots of new Kernels, what are these actually optimizing except underclocking or undervolting (understand that terminology). I am also wondering if the Kernels are specific for the original Nexus One 2.1 Android or can you install for example Modaco or Cyan ROM and then a different random Kernel?
Thanks!

To my understanding, a kernel is what directly interacts with the hardware. Every OS has this, but it's more customizable on our phones since it's based on Linux. The Rom contains the OS itself, and the software and file structure therein. The kernel even can tell the OS how fast the processor goes and how much juice to use from the battery.
Hope that makes sense, as I'm no expert. You can mix and match the two as far as I know. I've mixed them, anyway.

Halorin,
Based on what you said, with my stock vibrant ROM 2.1 JI6 update, it is possible to change the kernel or install another kernel (like the CM kernel)?

tomasitoc said:
Halorin,
Based on what you said, with my stock vibrant ROM 2.1 JI6 update, it is possible to change the kernel or install another kernel (like the CM kernel)?
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That is really a question better suited to the rom 's development thread, but in general yes you can flash a different kernel. Some kernel/rom combinations work better than others, but you really wont know until you try. Get comfortable with nandroid backups and start trying out different kernel combinations until you find one you like.

Usually most custom roms will include a kernel but they usually have tweaks like coding for 720p, oc, and audio tweaks and what not. Alsways do a nandroid back up and start exploring. When flashing kernels always wipe, I think their are exceptions but its best to wipe just in case. Browse XDA, download a kernel from your phone browser, rom manager install from SD, should be in your downloads folder, backup and wipe, repeat until your phone does what you want.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

which is the better to install???
Thank you your post..
but i can't understand clearly.
so.,
which one is better to install NewRom / Kernal. for android phones.

Neither one is better it just depends on what you want to do.
If you want to totally change over your phone to look and function differently then you need to flash a ROM if you just want to keep the same look but want to enable lets say overclocking then flash an overclocked kernel. If it has to do with the hardware mostly then it's probably something that the kernel can change. Although like mentioned above if you flash a ROM most of the time it will come with a custom kernel.

Dude Random21 said:
Neither one is better it just depends on what you want to do.
If you want to totally change over your phone to look and function differently then you need to flash a ROM if you just want to keep the same look but want to enable lets say overclocking then flash an overclocked kernel. If it has to do with the hardware mostly then it's probably something that the kernel can change. Although like mentioned above if you flash a ROM most of the time it will come with a custom kernel.
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What he said.
ROMs and kernels are two separate things that have two separate functions. Neither is better than the other, but they do complement each other.

Seshu9899 said:
Thank you your post..
but i can't understand clearly.
so.,
which one is better to install NewRom / Kernal. for android phones.
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I know both Dude Random21 and codesplice have gone into this, but to try and give a bit more info...
The kernel is kinda like the nervous system of the body. It directly interacts with the hardware (which is how it is able to adjust CPU speed) and it is what allows the ROM to function.
The ROM is the rest of the body. Every other aspect of the phone. In fact, most ROMs include custom kernels. Various ROMs give you various features/enhancements/bugfixes. You will probably notice the biggest change in your phone if you load a custom ROM. Most people load the custom kernels to help with battery life as a lot of them allow you to lower the phones minimum processing speed from 245Mhz to 128MHz.
The ROM can change so many different aspects of how the phone works. There is CyanogenMod which is based off of stock Android with a lot of tweaks, bugfixes, and new features added. There is also MIUI, which is similar to the iOS style (not the same, but much closer than stock Android), and then there are a ton others out there.

Then which Rom is best for my samsung galaxy s???
so i am using froyo.jpjpg on my galaxys.
i want to flash new Rom with upgaraded to gingerbread.
can i flash only rom../ kernal also.
which is best Rom for samsung galaxys.
cynogenmod, miui, .?????
battery drain is very fast now ian running rom/kernal.

Start by going to the forum for your phone.
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thank you...
i Start the post from samsung galaxy s..

Seshu9899 said:
thank you...
i Start the post from samsung galaxy s..
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your welcomed

Nandbackup + Rom & Kernel
One question: when I do a backup with CWM, it is the Nandroid backup you talk about, correct...? Same thing? So, if I do a backup with CWM, it's a backup only of the ROM, or also the stock Kernel...? Imagine that I do a Rom (GingerDX for example), and flash with a custom Kernel.... If things go bad and I do a restore from my backup (stock) CWM, what do I restore? Rom, or Rom + (stock) Kernel...?

Yes, a backup that is done in ClockworkMod (or Amon_RA) is considered a nandroid backup. And this takes a complete snapshot of your system. Your ROM, your kernel, your apps and your data are all inlcuded. The only thing that isn't included is the fat partition on your sdcard. So if things go bad and you restore your nandroid backup, it will go back to however it was when you made the backup.

thanks a lot. reading this thread clear up a lot of things

Hi!
I am currently running Lite'ning ROM 6.1. XXKH3 Kernel version 2.6.35.11-ninphetamine-2.0.5+ [email protected] #20 on SGSII. Phew.
I've tried a lot of ROMS including MIUI, villain, galmetMIUI ICS version . I like Lite'ning ROM because it gave me the least (virtually Nil) problems (FCs/ reboots) and has almost all the features I need (TV-out that's missing from MIUI, good camera with panorama mode, Recording mode in phone). However I miss the CIFS feature. Is it because the kernel does not support it? Can I get CIFS support if I flash another kernel? Any suggesstions on which Kernel should I flash? I realise that this ROM is pretty old now so Can I get additional features with a newer Kernel.

codesplice said:
What he said.
ROMs and kernels are two separate things that have two separate functions. Neither is better than the other, but they do complement each other.
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That made everything clear. Thanks man. I'm new to the xda but already flashed a new rom that overclocked my CPU to 1.5 and my HTC Sensation 4G Is running so much better right now. However I wish i knew how to thank people... because i see the thanks meter but cannot find where to thank from.

radoslav.trahanov said:
That made everything clear. Thanks man. I'm new to the xda but already flashed a new rom that overclocked my CPU to 1.5 and my HTC Sensation 4G Is running so much better right now. However I wish i knew how to thank people... because i see the thanks meter but cannot find where to thank from.
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The rom didn't overclock your phone. The kernel did. READ. You came to the MT4GS forum starting up a storm for people not giving you a direct link to the regular MT4G. How is it you cant find the freakin' "thanks" button? THERE'S A FREAKIN' THANKS BUTTON IN EVERY FREAKIN' POST. OPEN YOUR FREAKIN' EYES.

Sori m jst new here..jst b0ught my f0ne 2 m0nths ago. Flashed r0m: gingercrime ITA, flashed kernel: ver 2.6.35.14 v6. And iv overclock my fone 245-710Mhz, smartass. fone: lg optimus one, running on gingerbread 2.3.3
Many thanx xda developers..!!

[Q] Kernel Vs rom - which have the most impact ?

Hello people.
I've been here for 3 months, reading, downloading and learning allot about our great machine and the android system. The one thing i cannot understand is that : people writing allot about the smoothness and fastness of their system. some says this is the kernel, some says this is the rom they installed. What part of smoothness is the quality of the rom and what part is depended on the quality of the kernel ? how many times have your read here "smooth and fast" on the responses of people, not matters if that rom or kernel ?
hope someone can clear this up for me.

A rom includes the kernel .
A rom is the whole OS just like win 7 is an OS .
Kernel is the bit that communicates with the OS at base level between CPU and other components and the OS .
Both have a part to play .
jje

I understand that, but i saw some responses of people, after changing their kernel, says : "ohh.. this is smooth.. and etc..".. how u can tell that this is the kernel ? maybe just by rebooting your phone it gets smoother like when you do it to your computer :}
The only thing i can spot is maybe the sound quality (like on voodoo sound).
how much the stability of your phone depends on the rom itself or the kernel ?

Well it's a good start to get your hands dirty and cook something.

in my opinion, kernels are basically very identical in the sense that they all convert the file system from rfs to ext4 which they just call "lagfix"
all other extras are dependent on developers on what they want to add.

Again, I am not a developer but a user. On the basis of my experience and reading, I would say there are two misconceptions here: (1) roms and kernels are not the same. Many roms embed a kernel as part of the package but both the kernel and the modem are distinct elements that may or may not be packaged within a rom -- the rom may be pre-packaged with a kernel and a modem, or these may be discrete components in and of themselves. (2) kernels are definitely not all identical, especially in terms of source code and modifications, which is the genesis of the dispute on xda which has seen the departure of at least one kernel developer. Compare this list:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=966646 for kernels with this list for custom roms http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=886000
Most kernels require development, i.e. coding, whilst most roms are a packaging of existing applications and their organization within the framework of the firmware. The phone functions most effectively and efficiently when the kernel and the rom are complimentary. Problems arise when the kernel and rom are not 100% on the same page.
Last element is then the theme which is the visual display of the rom: again there is a separate thread for themes as one can use any number of themes with most roms.

Linus developed the kernel that was passed on then an operating system was laid on top of the kernel .Giving Linux/GNU
Kernel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computing)
jje

lgsshedden said:
Again, I am not a developer but a user. On the basis of my experience and reading, I would say there are two misconceptions here: (1) roms and kernels are not the same. Many roms embed a kernel as part of the package but both the kernel and the modem are distinct elements that may or may not be packaged within a rom -- the rom may be pre-packaged with a kernel and a modem, or these may be discrete components in and of themselves. (2) kernels are definitely not all identical, especially in terms of source code and modifications, which is the genesis of the dispute on xda which has seen the departure of at least one kernel developer. Compare this list:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=966646 for kernels with this list for custom roms http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=886000
Most kernels require development, i.e. coding, whilst most roms are a packaging of existing applications and their organization within the framework of the firmware. The phone functions most effectively and efficiently when the kernel and the rom are complimentary. Problems arise when the kernel and rom are not 100% on the same page.
Last element is then the theme which is the visual display of the rom: again there is a separate thread for themes as one can use any number of themes with most roms.
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Do roms devs do any coding to their roms? i.e. actually changing the coding of the framework etc or do they mearly just "rearrange" things? If not why not seeing as kernel devs actually do some coding to their component.

They do. Start up script is the most common example. Resizing the SD card read partition is also a common feature in many roms (the default read partition is quite small, hence slow media scanning speed.) It also takes quite a bit of effort to make sure that all the features introduced in the rom does not conflict with each other. (Over scroll glow, CRT shut down, extended power menu, etc.)

snapper.fishes said:
They do. Start up script is the most common example. Resizing the SD card read partition is also a common feature in many roms (the default read partition is quite small, hence slow media scanning speed.) It also takes quite a bit of effort to make sure that all the features introduced in the rom does not conflict with each other. (Over scroll glow, CRT shut down, extended power menu, etc.)
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thank you for the clarification: my choice of words was not as clear in my original post and is no way was intended to diminish the task of compiling and developing a rom -- I also recognize that many tweaks can be approached from changes in either or both the rom and the kernel, but there are elements that are distinct to each.

Truths and myths about deodexed/odexed roms?

I just read in some other forum that the lag in deodexed stock browser, is/was caused by an error in the deodexing tools that are used. Is that true?
Also there was discussed how deodexed actually uses less space than odexed because there is only one file instead of two, and that the odex file just gets converted into a classes.dex and put right into the apk file - which means that it also will get compressed since the apk's are nothing else but zip files in the end.
So that would mean that deodexed still is better right? If done with bugless deodexing tools that is.
Another question I'd love to have clarified:
What can and what can't be modded on odexed? General consensus is that you can't really theme/modify framework of odexed rosms, but for the simplicity rom for example (its odexed) there is a theme available. That theme makes the pulldown menu transparent, changes the icons, and also makes the extended power menu monochrome (plus icon changes there as well). So that kinda stuff definitely must be modable even on odexed - so what is it that can't be modded?
And couldn't you just re-odex the framework after modding to fix it?
I'm sorry, I'm an enthusiastic end-user and also studied computer science, but I still have no clue about the technical details about all this stuff - which I would like to change in this thread (not only for myself but also for other people who are interested about this stuff) so that I can eventually start to mod and develop stuff myself.
Please explain the stuff or point me to the right threads to learn about it all.
Thanks ahead.

Interesting thread indeed! I heard many rumors but most of them are just that: rumors, not facts. The hype is that odex roms are faster, and my personal experience confirms they feel smoother in launching apps and the like, but again this is just a feeling and could well be placebo or caused by other variables...
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I'm currently using simplicity (which is odexed) - and it also feels more smooth and with less "bugs" than all the other roms I used before, which all had been deodexed.
Plus quadrant score I get without any overclocking goes up to 2.9k which is highest I ever had on any rom also. With OC enabled it even goes up to 3.2k. But I know that a benchmark not necessarily means much.

+1
Would really like to learn the difference and benefits = odexed vs deodexed
Anyone ?

Hopefully this thread will spark an intelligent discussion. I'm interested as well.

Hi all,
I'm not actually a dev or so but i found this interesting.....
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/what-is-odex-and-deodex-in-android-complete-guide/
I think this would break the jargon about ODEX , DE-ODEX 'ed ROM's !

Ashtrix said:
Hi all,
I'm not actually a dev or so but i found this interesting.....
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/what-is-odex-and-deodex-in-android-complete-guide/
I think this would break the jargon about ODEX , DE-ODEX 'ed ROM's !
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Uhm... interesting link, thanks. So, according to the author of that article, odexed is faster than deodex only on the first boot...
On the other hand, since the .odex files were supposed to quickly build the dalvik cache, removing them would mean longer initial boot times. However, this is true only for the first ever boot after deodexing, since the cache would still get built over time as applications are used. Longer boot times may only be seen again if the dalvik cache is wiped for some reason.
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My experience with odex/deodex versions of the same ROM (be it stock or custom) tells me this is not telling the whole story. Application startup time is definitely longer with deodex, and not only for the first launch...

when developing Tornado for JVR both odexed and deodexed versions were Beta tested: the odex version was significantly better in stability, speed and battery life, so much so that the decision was made to develop Tornado solely as an odexed rom. These differences were tested using the same firmware source, same kernel and configuration and across phones from 10+ testers.
Themes can be developed for odexed roms but it does require some development and greater care and attention than for deodexed roms (an existing theme can be ported into odex but not by simple cutting and pasting of files by the user).
A number of excellent themes now exist in both deodexed and odexed forms: but the range and variety of themes remains the sole advantage of a deodexed rom. But it is a questionable advantage, as most rom threads will confirm that a significant number of rom issues arise from the addition and application of themes and incompatabilites that arise.

ZioGTS said:
Uhm... interesting link, thanks. So, according to the author of that article, odexed is faster than deodex only on the first boot...
My experience with odex/deodex versions of the same ROM (be it stock or custom) tells me this is not telling the whole story. Application startup time is definitely longer with deodex, and not only for the first launch...
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Hmm, actually you got it wrong the first boot takes time on DE-ODEXED not ODEXED!
I'm on Jetpack Deodexed ROM it's super fast and only the first boot took a long time and after that im smooth no FC's and all without OC {Semaphore}..!!

Choose between Cyanogenmod and 2.3.6

Hi everybody,
this is my first message in this forum
I have a Galaxy Next (= Mini) with Official Gingerbread 2.3.4, with root.
Now I want make my phone more fluid and faster, but I have no idea of the Rom I will flash.
The most famous are Cyanogenmod (7.1 or 7.2?) and the last Gingerbread (2.3.6).
Can you help me in my decision, even telling me the differences between the two Roms?
P.S: sorry for my bad english...

flash cm7.2.0 RC2 by squadzone its stable fast looks nice + u can use his OC kernel

The gingerbread 2.3.4 is the most fluid that i ever tested, I veer used Cyanogenmod but 2.3.4 is better than 2.3.6 (And the .3.5 SUCKS)

Thanks for your advice, but can you post the differences between Cyanogen and 2.3.4? What has more of Gingerbread?

cyanogen is better it has overclock it has a graphic equalizer, it's more customizable and it's not vendor dependent...it's pure android

Ok, i choose Cyanogen 7.2, but what about RC1/RC2?

CynogenMod7 RC2
For me CM7.0.2 RC2 is the best i've used so far.
Plus 782 OC Kernel
Plus A2SD Darktreamor
Try it. You'll love it

fueart said:
For me CM7.0.2 RC2 is the best i've used so far.
Plus 782 OC Kernel
Plus A2SD Darktreamor
Try it. You'll love it
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I must flash the kernel and the script via "recovery mode" after installing Cyano7.2, right?

yes. all other kernel and update using recovery (in CWM).

But after flashing the kernel, for changing frequence of the CPU i must use No-Frills CPU Control or the frequence is freezed (at 652,753,782 Mhz)?

yes. use No-Frills. and set it on boot. after reboot, it will set the frequency when it finish loading your home screen

DavideB94 said:
Thanks for your advice, but can you post the differences between Cyanogen and 2.3.4? What has more of Gingerbread?
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cyanogen have many advantages over stock original firmware like you can have your mobile prerooted,
can change boot animation from cyanogenmod setting ,
can add status bar widget for quick access to data, wifi 2g/3g brightness etc. ,
can add screen on or screen off animation,
can use different types of lock screen,
enable/disable boot animation and sound,
can use 16 bit tranparency,
can set dalvik vm heap size,
can set cpu frequency,
set sdcard cache size
and the most important things
can apply themes
stock rom didnt have all these things
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DavideB94 said:
Thanks for your advice, but can you post the differences between Cyanogen and 2.3.4? What has more of Gingerbread?
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cyanogen have many advantages over stock original firmware like you can have your mobile prerooted,
can change boot animation from cyanogenmod setting ,
can add status bar widget for quick access to data, wifi 2g/3g brightness etc. ,
can add screen on or screen off animation,
can use different types of lock screen,
enable/disable boot animation and sound,
can use 16 bit tranparency,
can set dalvik vm heap size,
can set cpu frequency,
set sdcard cache size
and the most important things
can apply themes
stock rom didnt have all these things

Thanks a lot.
I can't answer in Developement, so i'll post here 2 other questions:
-what are the differences between 7.2 RC1 (Stable) and 7.2 RC2 ?
-What is "swap" partition of the SDcard for?

DavideB94 said:
Thanks a lot.
I can't answer in Developement, so i'll post here 2 other questions:
-what are the differences between 7.2 RC1 (Stable) and 7.2 RC2 ?
-What is "swap" partition of the SDcard for?
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RC2 has additional CM settings and tweaks not available in RC1. Both are stable enough though, at least for me.
Swap in Linux (Android) is something similar to what paging file is in Windows. Some portions application memory will be reside in swap partition instead of being in RAM. You can google for more info. Anyway it's not something that you must have, so if you're still confused then no need to use swap
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I'm now on Emanon V3 (2.3.5, baseband: XXKPI, build number: gingerbread.XWKS7) Can I flash cm7.2.0 RC2 now or do I have to flash gingerbread 2.3.4 back first?

Hey guys am having the same dilemma, am still on stock froyo on my sg mini and am thinking of going gingerbread for now until maybe ice cream sandwich becomes possible and stable. Am torn between going for a stock gingerbread rom and a custom rom (most probable one so far is cyanogen). My main fear with custom roms is the very many minute bugs that turn out to be quite critical that show up later when the rom gets proper testing by the masses which is why I have waited. The main points I am looking for is mainly
*improved battery perfomance for my phone
*get rid of stock apps that came with the phone such as opera 5 (since I use 6.5) and quick office etc
*increase flash capabilities on the phone such as being able to play uefa fantasy football and make suba while browsing on opera mobile. Thus eliminating the need to visit internet cyber cafes here everytime I wanna change something (yeah I love my football)
*As much improved performance when it comes to playing videos such as mkv (yeah I know its a stretch but I will take whatever perfomance I little perfomance boost I can get)
*though not such a big gamer but I would love to be able to play atleast one or two 3d games on my phone every once in a while
*ability to overclock for more performance and underclock processor for battery saving gains when the situation is appreciate such as when its in the pocket and all I need is to receive calls and messages
Is that asking too much ;p ? So with most of that in mind which btw cyanogen stock rom should I focus my attention on? which versions are most stable? Is it worth it? Are all or even some of my needs even reflux realistic hence plausible? Thank you
-just got a 32gb class 10 micro sd card for it hence I never have to worry about loosing my flash disk, just carry my cable ;p feels like christmas already
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DavideB94 said:
Hi everybody,
this is my first message in this forum
I have a Galaxy Next (= Mini) with Official Gingerbread 2.3.4, with root.
Now I want make my phone more fluid and faster, but I have no idea of the Rom I will flash.
The most famous are Cyanogenmod (7.1 or 7.2?) and the last Gingerbread (2.3.6).
Can you help me in my decision, even telling me the differences between the two Roms?
P.S: sorry for my bad english...
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-For a stable phone i use official 2.3.4 KPI with root acces.
Pro:for official:
-Nice phone call app
-Nice contacts app
-Stable features as sound,wifi,GPS,
Minus for official:
-not many custom features
-low volume of sound
-For tons of custom features use CM7.1 RC1 original by tj_style
-themes
-widgets with quick acces to data on/off etc..
-DSP manager boost your volume.
But in CM7 usual are issue with GPS update position in real time,wifi drop after a wile from some hot-spots,radio difficult to fix.
Personaly i like by far stable 2.3.4 KPI ,but i use CM7 just because i use DSP manager for volume boost ,because i use TTS service with Ivona engine and Voice Notify to read my messages and notifications.

kmdk said:
-For a stable phone i use official 2.3.4 KPI with root acces.
Pro:for official:
-Nice phone call app
-Nice contacts app
-Stable features as sound,wifi,GPS,
Minus for official:
-not many custom features
-low volume of sound
-For tons of custom features use CM7.1 RC1 original by tj_style
-themes
-widgets with quick acces to data on/off etc..
-DSP manager boost your volume.
But in CM7 usual are issue with GPS update position in real time,wifi drop after a wile from some hot-spots,radio difficult to fix.
Personaly i like by far stable 2.3.4 KPI ,but i use CM7 just because i use DSP manager for volume boost ,because i use TTS service with Ivona engine and Voice Notify to read my messages and notifications.
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Thats quite an interesting comparison. how would you compare the GUI between the cyanogen rom and stock gingerbread when it comes the contacts,keypad, phone call,messaging apps? I kinda like the swype gestures in my froyo. The gps issue in cyanogen has me worried coz I use gps alot as am in a new city. Once I hook it to the car charger and dashboard mount am able to use it to guide me to drive into unfamiliar places most of the time without fear of getting lost these days so a good and accurate gps lock is essential in my phone.
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I didn actually read all the stuff, no time now(maybe later).
But CyanogenMod is the best. Period.
YMMV.
Edit:
ok, only squadzone's cm7 has overclocking and undervolting possibilities...
i use swype beta, default CM UI will not be any special..the best part is the Tmobile theme chooser...so pick a theme of ur liking and done.
tons of customizations are possible...i dont think there is any prob with gps...except in tj's cm7 u need to flash a gps fix.
give it a try and u'll know.

Take your time, i will be here waiting.
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Fully working Roms

I hate to do this but there is so much conflicting info out there on different rom's.
I am just looking for a rom that I can use that everything works on and is stable without the verizon bloat wear. I don't care about the latest version or anything I just want a fully working vanilla rom. Any help would be appreciated.
I am interested in eclipse 3.0 does all the hardware work on it?

Yes. It is, by far, the best GB-based rom out there. The only feature that doesn't function is the text reply to missed calls. I think Nitro had planned to fix that, but I'm not sure whether he ever got around to it.

Eclipse is a great stable rom. Always has been. There are many themes for it also, but if I were you I would go to rooted stock .232 ICS and just remove the bloat yourself. It seems to be stable and works very well but you lose the ability to OC. .232 will either keep you at 1ghz or automatically bump you to 1.2ghz. It just depends on your cpu. I'm on the .232 ICS leak and rooted with init.d support. I removed all the crap I never use and have pulldown toggles ( notification toggles app) that are easily themed and work just like those in a custom rom. I have 9 cpu governors to choose from at any given time along with the new sio i/o scheduler(it's an extra download). I am also running init.d scripts from various custom roms to make it fly. AOKP and CM9 have there issues but the .232 ICS leak does not. Even if you don't do all the tweaks I have done, ICS has a better user experience, and is far quicker than any GB based rom. IMO GB is dead. If you don't like the leak you can always go back to GB and get eclipse but I would give it a try. If you have any questions on ICS let me know.
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I have been running eclipes 3.0 on droid bionic a little over a week. Runs great. on system version 5.9.905x875. Can any one recomend Other costom roms for this version.

razz1 said:
Eclipse is a great stable rom. Always has been. There are many themes for it also, but if I were you I would go to rooted stock .232 ICS and just remove the bloat yourself. It seems to be stable and works very well but you lose the ability to OC. .232 will either keep you at 1ghz or automatically bump you to 1.2ghz. It just depends on your cpu. I'm on the .232 ICS leak and rooted with init.d support. I removed all the crap I never use and have pulldown toggles ( notification toggles app) that are easily themed and work just like those in a custom rom. I have 9 cpu governors to choose from at any given time along with the new sio i/o scheduler(it's an extra download). I am also running init.d scripts from various custom roms to make it fly. AOKP and CM9 have there issues but the .232 ICS leak does not. Even if you don't do all the tweaks I have done, ICS has a better user experience, and is far quicker than any GB based rom. IMO GB is dead. If you don't like the leak you can always go back to GB and get eclipse but I would give it a try. If you have any questions on ICS let me know.
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I have been running .232 as well, but have found it very slow at times, compared to the leak based ROMs (CM9, AOKP, or liquidsmooth). However, I haven't liked running those due to their bugs. I was wondering what scripts you are running on .232 to speed it up.

You can pull the scripts from your favorite rom and run those. The scripts may not be able to execute all of there lines as they may need other files in the rom in which they rely on. Cron, liberty, are a few that may be needed. After you run them, find the data log for the scripts and see what line failed to run and what file it was relying on. Very few lines will fail in any given script. It's really not that big of a deal. You really won't be missing much on performance.
1. Download a rom based on 232, and pull the scripts and run them with init.d
2. Gets some overclock going
3. Get some good governors and tweak them for performance.
4. Motomizer expert is a great app to get! You can OC and set memory management, which is in many scripts.
5. Move all the crap you don't need from your sdcard to sdcard-ext. It makes a big difference.
6. Debloat if you haven't already.
7. Use a cache cleaner.
8. Set your sdcard to 2048kbs
9. If you don't have rom toolbox then get it. You can tackle many speed tweaks in there also.
The init scripts mainly deal with gov adjustments, memory management, time based management(cron), and sysctl settings.
Most roms use most of the same generic scripts that everyone else uses.

razz1 said:
Eclipse is a great stable rom. Always has been. There are many themes for it also, but if I were you I would go to rooted stock .232 ICS and just remove the bloat yourself. It seems to be stable and works very well but you lose the ability to OC. .232 will either keep you at 1ghz or automatically bump you to 1.2ghz. It just depends on your cpu. I'm on the .232 ICS leak and rooted with init.d support. I removed all the crap I never use and have pulldown toggles ( notification toggles app) that are easily themed and work just like those in a custom rom. I have 9 cpu governors to choose from at any given time along with the new sio i/o scheduler(it's an extra download). I am also running init.d scripts from various custom roms to make it fly. AOKP and CM9 have there issues but the .232 ICS leak does not. Even if you don't do all the tweaks I have done, ICS has a better user experience, and is far quicker than any GB based rom. IMO GB is dead. If you don't like the leak you can always go back to GB and get eclipse but I would give it a try. If you have any questions on ICS let me know.
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totally agreed.