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With new roms and gps placing demands on battery life, I opted to look for an alternative. Performance hacks can only work so much before your battery dies out when you have an 1100 or 1500Mah battery. I found this battery on ebay from a store and decided to go for it and here's my findings so far....
The model number I'm testing is HLI-P6800SL and will cost you USD48.55
Here's the link in case you wanna check it out:http://www.mugenpowerbatterijen.nl/
Ebay:http://search.ebay.ca/search/search...=m37&satitle=mugen+power+batteries&category0=
*FIRST IMPRESSIONS*
1) Battery is exactly same size as the OEM, had no problems with fitting. Initially thought its increased capacity it would be make it a tighter fit, wasn't the case, PERFECT FIT!!!
2) Turned on my PPC without any hitches or glitches
3) Free shipping, makes this even sweeter...
4) Juicing it up, will fill you in with a much more detailed comparative analysis, my girlfriend is a true test of battery power
5) After some extended use, battery is still cool, haven't experienced any over-heating some users claim
*PRELIMINARY RESULTS*
Having spent a full 36 hrs with the battery...the results are encouraging to say the least. Do keep in mind that for Li-on cells to be fully functional, they need to go thru at least 3-5 full discharge-charge cycles and this is only the 1st cycle.
I followed the manufacturer's specifications about the initial 12 hour charge, also take into consideration that this test was conditioned, i.e. I dished out extra punishment, GPS ON for every trip, BT headset on for every call, backlight at 40% (which is pretty bright) and send/receive set at 5 minute intervals.
I consider myself a heavy-user during the day (less at night) with usage being split data and voice even. I receive approximately 40-60 emails a day (some with large attachments) and make out just about as many phone calls. So without much ado, here are my results...
Testing started 09:30 when I initially placed the battery 100% and ended 02:49 when it finally discharged 0% = 17hr 19m window. So in order to rate correctly and/or approximately I took the calculation values (credit hofo_mofo) of my 1500mah battery
Talk time (4.5 hr)
Current = Rating / Time
Current = 1500 mAh / 4.5 hr
Current = 333 mA
Standby (230hr)
Current = Rating / Time
Current = 1500 mAh / 230 hr
Current = 6.5mA
Run time based on my daily usage 09:30/100% -22:23/ 0% = 13hr 13min window
VERSUS 1800Mah
Talk Time = Rating / Current
Time = 1800 mAh / 333 mA
Time = 5.4hrs
Standby = Rating / Current
Time = 1800mAh / 6.5mA
Time = 277hrs
Theoretical 5.4 - 4.5/ 4.5 = 26% more power
vs.
Actual 17.19 - 13.13/ 13.13 = 31% increased capacity
I will be back to update my findings after 5 charge cycles and will note any increased or decreased performance, but for now very promising. If you use an 1100mah or any other type of battery, do the math and the numbers will pretty much tell you if it's a worthy purchase or not. I am not in any way recommending you purchase this battery, just sharing my findings. So until then....
Disclaimer this is by NO means a scientific test and results may not be typical
How about a URL and a price?
Interested in your results...
Cruisind00d said:
Interested in your results...
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co-signing thisssssss.....................
Also very interested... My Mogul came with a 1500 battery so the 1650 is a waste of time... but 1800 may be worth it.
I have the seidio 3200mAh battery
Have had it for about a month now. The thing really does perform. I use my phone all day long and rarely go below 70% it's great.
Now, if only Seidio would make the rubberized case for the extended battery things would be better.
were do u get the 3200mah battery n how much did it set u back
Seidio. I mentioned the NAME of the battery as in the name of the company. They MAKE the battery and sell it.
http://www.mugenpowerbatterijen.nl/pda_htc.html
3600
at the bottom.
Very nice review of this battery. Most of the time people just say, "it lasted a day and a half instead of half a day," as if that is any real indication of how the battery performed. You were very specific on how you use your phone and gave an analysis of your results.
They may not be entirely accurate ( due to the every day changes in your usage between the 1800 battery and original batt. ), but I still want to give you props for a decent review.
Suggestion:
Test the 1800 vs Orig using a stopwatch program and gsplayer like here:
http://www.aximsite.com/boards/vbar...gen-extended-battery-for-the-ipaq-2200-series
That way you will get a more precise comparison.
But again, good review of the battery, you were above par on that one .
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Have had it for about a month now. The thing really does perform. I use my phone all day long and rarely go below 70% it's great.
Now, if only Seidio would make the rubberized case for the extended battery things would be better.
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how much depth/thickness does that battery add? will it still fit in the stock leather holster?
It added a lot of thickness to the phone exact number I'd check the Seidio site, and no, it won't fit the stock case any more
i bought a mugen extended (fat) battery for the htc tytn ii a few weeks ago and it's performance is a bit strange. while it does add plenty of power to the device, battery drains at normal rate until 14%. then it stays at 14% for a long time before it starts to go down.
so while the battery is useful, the device won't accurately display the remaining battery life. is this the case with this 1800mah mogul bat?
myenhdl said:
i bought a mugen extended (fat) battery for the htc tytn ii a few weeks ago and it's performance is a bit strange. while it does add plenty of power to the device, battery drains at normal rate until 14%. then it stays at 14% for a long time before it starts to go down.
so while the battery is useful, the device won't accurately display the remaining battery life. is this the case with this 1800mah mogul bat?
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Its actually quite accurate, it doesn't hang like my oem battery. I thought it was somewhat the same after the first time when it hung around 10% for more than an hour or so, then it dropped to 5%. I think when the power is that low, it drops in multiples of 5... just a thought.
Will confirm/disprove when my battery is low, come to think of it I've never seen my original battery at 8% either
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*PRELIMINARY RESULTS*
Having spent a full 36 hrs with the battery...the results are encouraging to say the least. Do keep in mind that for Li-on cells to be fully functional, they need to go thru at least 3-5 full discharge-charge cycles and this is only the 1st cycle.
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That's not Li-Ion that's for the old Nickel_MH or cadium batteries
you should never completely discharge Li-ion battery as that will damage them a bit. In fact there's people arguing you should keep your Li-ion battery as high a charge as often as possible.
Defective battery? Mogul LED blinking Red with Mugen 1800mAh
I ordered the Mugen HLI-6800SL 1800mAh standard-sized battery from www.lionbattery.com last week and got it this past Saturday. I put it in my Mogul and proceeded to charge it as per the directions (i.e. in the phone, not on a cradle, with the OEM AC adaptor). After 12 hours, I tried powering up the phone but nothing happens. Furthermore, once I tried plugging in the AC adapter into the Mogul with the battery installed, I get a blinking red LED light.
I emailed lionbattery.com about a replacement. Is this anything I can fix?
Thanks!
symptoms of a discharged battery or a battery about to discharge (end of life cycle). Best action plan at this point is to return it, here's hoping you kept the original receipt, keep me posted how it goes...
So far haven't had any problems, still outperforming my original battery. Will be back to finish my review of the battery in the next 2-3 days
What I'd like to know is who makes hard cases for these? I have a mogul and no one makes a hard case for the sliding keyboard to be functional as well. What i mean is for an extended battery for the mogul and a hard case like the seidio one (thanks seidio for dropping the ball completely on this one).
I bought that 1800MaH battery today. Also bought this: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Black-Alumi...15036QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
I had a case like that for my Axim, it was awesome. I really dont care that you cant use the touchscreen or keyboard without opening it, I need something rugged and with a high enough ridge buttons dont get pressed. Poor phone rides around in the center console of a Jeep all day long.
I'll post pictures and a little review once I get the items. I also have a good 2400 Mah battery and door I recently got, if anyone wants it I'll ship it in the US for $20. It's 4mm too thick, comes with back door.
Still impressed? The battery is currently out of stock at LionBattery.com
I red last week somewhere that a liion battery lifetime isabout 300 times charging, does anybody now or this is true?
Willem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
You can find there answer to your question..
The life span is dependent upon aging (shelf life). From time of manufacturing, regardless of whether it was charged or the number of charge/discharge cycles, the battery will decline slowly and predictably in capacity. This means an older battery will not last as long as a new battery due solely to its age, unlike other batteries. This drawback is not widely published.
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I red last week somewhere that a liion battery lifetime isabout 300 times charging, does anybody now or this is true?
Willem
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i must charge my diamond 2 or 3 times a day duz that mean im gunna have to buy 3 batterys a year lol
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i must charge my diamond 2 or 3 times a day duz that mean im gunna have to buy 3 batterys a year lol
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same, my diamond is connected about the same amount of times per day, and then left on charge when im at home to ensure i have adequate battery, eek!
I think the 300 times charging is refer to 300 full complete cycle of charging. It need to be refer to complete a cycle from fully discharge to fully charge. If you charge your battery from 50% to 100%. It is only 1/2 cylce.
Anyone can correct if i'm wrong.
I think a complete discharge counts as 1. If you charge the battery now and then without letting it discharge completely it will last longer. This is quite Li-Ion specific.
In heavy usage a battery lasts for 2 years easy.
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In heavy usage a battery lasts for 2 years easy.
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Even when you charge it 2 times a day? This should mean about 1400 charging?
Willem
Right, firstly, forget anything that has been written above. 300 is crap. (the film '300' isnt tho)
lithium ion batteries generally last longer when kept topped up, rather than cycled.
The batteries in out Diamonds are lith ion, but have been specifically designed for top up charging, therefore last longer.
you can expect your battery to last for 3 years of continuos use, unless there is a fault or it is damaged. It will slowely deteriorate over time.
I have just bought a new battery for my laptop, which is Lithium Ion, as was the original. This is after 10 years!
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... I have just bought a new battery for my laptop, which is Lithium Ion, as was the original. This is after 10 years!
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OK. I know it is out of the topic, but i still want to say: My laptop which is a precision workstation laptop's battery only last 1 year.
So, it is fair that if you discharge and charge frequently, it will deteriorate faster. This is fair enough.
Li-ion battery life - the facts
Skipping back to the facts for a moment.... the HTC Diamond standard battery is a Li ion battery with Co chemistry.
1. Li-ion batteries last between 300-500 deep cycles (from 0% to 100%).
2. Partial recharges are good. A partial recharge from ~25% to ~75% is less damaging than a recharge from 0-100%, and only counts (roughly) as around 1/4 of the impact of a deep cycle. Li ion technology has no charge memory effect, which means that the battery capacity is completely unaffected by partial charging (n.b. this is NOT the case for NiCad or NiMH technology).
3. Li-ion batteries also decay at a constant rate over time, dependent on temperature, and regardless of use. They lose around 20% capacity per year at 25C, but this is increased at higher temperatures. Shelf life is optimised by keeping unused batteries at 6C (fridge temp) and with ~40% charge. But do not freeze them!
4. 100% charge causes accelerated decay rates. So keep your battery below full charge.
5. Deep cycle the battery occasionally (~once per 30 charges), to recalibrate your charge meter. Otherwise the charge level shown will become inaccurate.
6. Key advantage for Co chemistry is high energy density - up to 200mWh/g. Key disadvantage is the charge/discharge limit, which is ~1.2 coulomb.
7. Conclusion is that you can expect your Diamond battery to last for ~3 yrs of hard daily use. If you take care of it, it will last for double that time.
More info can be found on http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm,
and at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
Comparison between the original Nexus S 1500 mAh battery and the 1440 mAh Samsung battery
General settings:
- brightness set to maximum (100%)
- screen timeout set to maximum (30 mins)
- GPS ON / wireless networks ON (for Google Maps)
- Mobile Data ON
- 3G ON
- Sync ON (Contacts, GMail, Calendar, Reader + SiMi weather each 3 hours)
- WI-FI OFF
- Bluetooth OFF
Services running under the test (I'm not sure these DO have an impact on battery life, but just to be on the safe-side):
- SiMiClock
- 3G Watchdog
- other Android-specific services
Services cached under the test (again, i'm not really sure these count, but I wrote them down in case someone finds something weird or has questions):
- Android Agenda Widget
- Google Reader
- GTasks
- LED Light
- Brightness Level
- other essential Android-specific services
Testing conditions:
- Nexus S i9020-T version, 2.3.4 stock ROM, unlocked bootloader, stock recovery, stock kernel.
- each of the 2 batteries was plugged into the phone, charged till the phone said "Charging complete" (that meant 96% in each case), then discharged till 0%, until the phone shut down by itself.
- keep the screen ON at all times; yes, that means check every 30 mins (because of the screen timeout) and slide a finger across the screen to re-activate the 30 mins timeout timer AGAIN (and again... and again, etc. etc., every 30 mins).
- signal strength 11 asu (+/- 2 asu); check this in Status under About Phone.
- in each test, the phone was placed in the exact same place, it was not moved.
- sync was enabled, but I get emails like one per week, so the sync activity was very low (only Google Reader sync every hour).
- no activity on the phone whatsoever (phone calls in/out, sms in/out).
Battery performance comparison:
1500 mAh battery (top at 96%) = 2h 44mins (the original Nexus S battery)
1440 mAh battery (top at 96%) = 2h 26mins (the OEM Samsung 1440 mAh battery)
In each of the 2 tests, the battery % usage was:
- Display - 78%
- GPS - 14%
- gpsd - 5% (I never saw this thing until now; WTF is it ?!)
- Android System - 3%
Verdict:
Well, the OEM Samsung 1440 mAh battery didn't add up to the performance of the original 1500 mAh Nexus S battery, as I hoped, but it packed quite a punch. The difference between the 2 isn't all that bad in real life situation, but the ~20 mins difference out of a total of 3 hours could scare some people away. Anyway, if you compare it to other <1600 mAh 3rd party batteries out there, I think you will get better results with this one. And, furthermore, it's the cheapest one (I think) at only 5$. How can you ask for more when it's THAT cheap, and made by Samsung ?
In the end, I have to say that for 5$, this OEM Samsung 1440 mAh battery is quite a bang for the buck !
PS: I forgot to tell you where you could ACTUALLY buy one of these if you so desire. Just do a search on eBay for the original Nexus S battery MODEL NUMBER. (AB653850CA)
Additional INFO:
1. The test is a derivate from Ploone's comparison test from his topic over here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1058763 Thanks a lot man for the idea and for your video reviews !
2. I hope I was thorough enough. If some of you have questions, please, do ask, because maybe I have forgot something important.
3. Also, if you don't mind and have some spare time for this, could you please conduct the SAME test as I did to see some more results ? Because I still have the impression that my original 1500 mAh battery sucks. Thanks !
*Side-Note:
Ploone's review of the 1600 mAh Mugen Power battery indicated the following results:
3h 25 mins = 205 mins - 1600 mAh Mugen Power battery
4h 32 mins = 272 mins - 1500 mAh Nexus S battery
That's a ~1.327 ratio for the Nexus S battery.
From my comparison (yea, I know there are many variables changed in the testing methodology, but the ratio should stick with the batteries, despite the testing conditions):
2h 26 mins = 146 mins - 1440 mAh OEM Samsung battery
2h 44 mins = 164 mins - 1500 mAh Nexus S battery
That's a ~1.123 ratio for the Nexus S battery.
A greater ratio for the Nexus S battery means that it is more powerful than the opponent. So, because the ratio is smaller in the 1440 mAh Samsung comparison test than the ratio from Ploone's test, that should translate in the fact that the 1440 mAh battery is more powerful than the 1600 mAh battery. It's also 10 times cheaper (50$ vs 5$, aprox.), LOL ! (I'm not judging you, Ploone; I'm only judging that Mugen battery)
Nice review sir, thanks for mentioning me! Appreciated
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As for the charging test, I tested the charge time for both batteries, from 0% until the phone said "Charging complete" (top at 96%); the results didn't vary too much (10mins difference), so I continued the test on the original battery:
1500 mAh battery - Nexus S 700 mA wall charger = 3h 30mins
1500 mAh battery - Nexus S 500 mA USB data cable = 5h 30mins
1500 mAh battery - after-market 1.000 mA wall charger = 3h 30mins
1440 mAh battery - after-market 1.000 mA wall charger = 3h 20mins (-10 mins compared to the 1500mAh) :
60% in 1h 30 mins
70% in 1h 50 mins
80% in 2h 15 mins
96% in 3h 20 mins
Also, I have to add that the 1.000 mA 3rd party wall charger acts like the original 700mA charger. Guess the charging algorithms prevent the Nexus from drawing more than 700 mA (as the original charger can supply). Or something like that. If someone has a better explanation, I'd love to hear it, I'm really curious.
thanks for the review! I wonder if any of the 1650mah batteries found in the new Samsung phones like Droid Charge, Samsung Infusion would fit inside nexus s. Now that would be an upgrade.
Thanks a lot lambda30, I was waiting for this review. I guess I will order one!
You're all welcome !
I think I'm gonna order another one in a month or two, just to have a spare one. At 5 bucks, it's totally worth it. And I'm gonna kill that sucker all day long, instead of being scared that my battery will die on me, like I used to do up until now.
Until now, I just had the brightness at around 20%, Gtalk offline most of the time, Google Reader syncing manual. Now I'm on 75% brightness all the time, everything syncing + Gtalk online all day/night long, no GPS usage, Wi-fi OFF, 3G data on all the time. On the 1440 mAh, it stays up for around 18h with about 2h 30 mins screen on time.
I just finish charging to 96% before going to bed, loose about 10% until morning, and after the day, at about 19:00, I will still have about 10-20% remaining. It's pretty decent.
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You're all welcome !
Now I'm on 75% brightness all the time, everything syncing + Gtalk online all day/night long, no GPS usage, Wi-fi OFF, 3G data on all the time. On the 1440 mAh, it stays up for around 18h with about 2h 30 mins screen on time.
I just finish charging to 96% before going to bed, loose about 10% until morning, and after the day, at about 19:00, I will still have about 10-20% remaining. It's pretty decent.
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So are you really getting 18hrs with 75% brightness and 2:30hrs of screentime? I have the original 1500mah battery but I hardly get 10hrs with 40% brightness and 2:30hrs of screen time.(nothing else major). Am I doing something wrong ?
thanks for ur review!!! i m gonna order a couple =DDD
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So are you really getting 18hrs with 75% brightness and 2:30hrs of screentime? I have the original 1500mah battery but I hardly get 10hrs with 40% brightness and 2:30hrs of screen time.(nothing else major). Am I doing something wrong ?
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Why would I lie?
If you don't trust me, do the exact same battery power test from my first post, then compare the results and share them with us. I'm pretty curious.
@ lambda30
Thanks for your research. I know what spare batteries to get now.
I bought two of those 1440 mah batteries from ebay, one for me and one for a friend. I actually received one 1440 mah battery and one 1500 mah battery (says the label). Needless to say, i kept the 1500 mah one and gave him the 1440 mah one (my price for placing the order, haha). I have to say though it performs just as well as the stock battery. While i haven't performed tests or anything, It's impossible to tell the batteries apart performance wise for everyday usage.
For those that don't want to gamble on getting a junk battery or waiting for delivery. Read Amazon reviews for quite a few unhappy customers. Radio Shack has replacement 1440 mAh for $19.99 with 1 year warranty.
http://radioshack.lenmar.com/RS/PS.aspx?OEM=Samsung&CatID=1&Model=AB653850CA&DID=RS
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For those that don't want to gamble on getting a junk battery or waiting for delivery. Read Amazon reviews for quite a few unhappy customers. Radio Shack has replacement 1440 mAh for $19.99 with 1 year warranty.
http://radioshack.lenmar.com/RS/PS.aspx?OEM=Samsung&CatID=1&Model=AB653850CA&DID=RS
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Neah, it doesn't happen like that with this one. I've seen the reviews for this item on eBay. Furthermore, with 19.99$ you can get 3 of these and surely, even if 1 out of 3 is broken, you still have the other 2. So again, you just CAN'T go wrong with this purchase.
Furthermore again, I don't trust 3rd party batteries at all. See the 1600 mAh Mugen example from my first post, the one that Ploone reviewed.
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Neah, it doesn't happen like that with this one. I've seen the reviews for this item on eBay. Furthermore, with 19.99$ you can get 3 of these and surely, even if 1 out of 3 is broken, you still have the other 2. So again, you just CAN'T go wrong with this purchase.
Furthermore again, I don't trust 3rd party batteries at all. See the 1600 mAh Mugen example from my first post, the one that Ploone reviewed.
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Personally I'm going with the cheap OEM. I posted your thread on AndroidCentral and some people sniveled about used/old batteries.
Lithium batteries don't get to full capacity until 4 or 5 charge cycles so that might have had an impact on Ploones review. At PreCentral somline did some extensive tests on batteries and Mugen did pretty well. Here's a link to one that didn't do so well.
http://forums.precentral.net/palm-p...ttention-dont-buy-seidio-innocell-1350-a.html
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Lithium batteries don't get to full capacity until 4 or 5 charge cycles so that might have had an impact on Ploones review.
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Maybe. I'll contact Ploone to see what's up.
From his thread:
Ploone said:
Yes I did, the batteries came with instructions on how to condition and cycle them, so I did so 4 times (the amount they recommended)
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So that's not the case/problem.
@lambda thanks for your review.
Would you mind telling us the name of the eBay seller so we can get the same ones and avoid knockoffs?
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I've ordered several 1440 mah batteries from ebay and I can't really tell the difference from the the 1500...
Sent from my NS running NSCollab cuz I lost my tin cans and string....
Ebay
I have an ebay one being shipped out to me now. I will report back seller info if the battery turns out to be good / similar to stock.
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I've ordered several 1440 mah batteries from ebay and I can't really tell the difference from the the 1500...
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Well this (and other reviews/comments) concludes my research. So I'm not just advertising the product/seller.
Personally, I bought it from "accessorymallonline". But, because it comes in a sealed bag, it doesn't really matter from which buyer you get it.
Hello, I recently purchased the 3500mAh 3.7V extended battery for my dinc. Can someone tell me what voltage I should charge it up to? I am not seeing amazing results, so I believe that my battery is not completely calibrated. I did run it through multiple complete uses (fully charged, to drain, and repeat) so I don't know what the problem could be. Thanks.
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What were you expecting for battery life? Depending on the brand it may not be a real 3500mAh battery. One full discharge and recharge should be enough to calibrate the software though Li-Ion batteries have no memory in them. Check this out. It mentions extending the life on the battery but is still interesting stuff.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries.
In fact that whole site has a lot of info on batteries.
Hey tiny. Well, from what I was reading about this battery, users got two full days with heavy usage (they described heavy usage to be streaming music, surfing the Web, testing, playing games, etc.) but, this is what I get, and it's the best I got (3 hours display,half an hour talk time). I even went down to gb to see if it would be good, but I didn't see much of a difference. And I did look at battery university a bit, but I didn't delve into the material. I'll check that link out.
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Hey tiny. Well, from what I was reading about this battery, users got two full days with heavy usage (they described heavy usage to be streaming music, surfing the Web, testing, playing games, etc.) but, this is what I get, and it's the best I got (3 hours display,half an hour talk time). I even went down to gb to see if it would be good, but I didn't see much of a difference. And I did look at battery university a bit, but I didn't delve into the material. I'll check that link out.
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Wow, that's pretty abysmal for a 3500mAh battery, especially in a lower consuming device like the incredible. How does that compare to your stock battery? It should be at least 70-80% better assuming that it's not really a 3500mAh battery. It may be a false claim that it's 3500mAh from the makers. I think 4 hours screen time on 3500mAh should be more reasonable for about 35 hours total time. I usually get about 1-3 hours screen time over a period of 10-30 hours total on my Galaxy Nexus. On my Inc on CM7 with stock battery my usage allowed me to go up to 30 hours, usually 20 on a charge with 30% left I think but it's been a while and I don't know the screen on time. It might have been about 2 hours.
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Wow, that's pretty abysmal for a 3500mAh battery, especially in a lower consuming device like the incredible. How does that compare to your stock battery? It should be at least 70-80% better assuming that it's not really a 3500mAh battery. It may be a false claim that it's 3500mAh from the makers. I think 4 hours screen time on 3500mAh should be more reasonable for about 35 hours total time. I usually get about 1-3 hours screen time over a period of 10-30 hours total on my Galaxy Nexus. On my Inc on CM7 with stock battery my usage allowed me to go up to 30 hours, usually 20 on a charge with 30% left I think but it's been a while and I don't know the screen on time. It might have been about 2 hours.
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Yeah, that's why I am worried. And actually, my stock battery usually have me like a day with good use. When you put it in perspective, my 1300mAh battery gives me about 67% of the battery life that I get from a 3500 mAh battery. Is there any way I can measure the power of the battery? I take physics, so even finding a way to calculate the current, voltage, and/or resistance of the battery would help.
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Check batteryuniversity.com, they have a link for calculating the actual capacity, or if you know your model which you should you can Google for actual capacity. Someone probably has posted capacities of a battery.
just going to add that in my experience(I have 3 Dincs), just a 3500 mah battery isn;t going to give you amazing results on it;s own. power management on the Dinc requires some attention. i find that charging the battery in the phone doesn;t necessarily yield a full charge, especially if you are charging it while the OS is loaded(topping it off). so my strategy has been to run my batteries down to empty,replace with a fresh one and charge them in an external battery charger-but not just any charger but a RAVpower universal charger. I have an "official" Seido charger and that doesn;t charge my batteries fully either even though it thinks it has by showing a green LED. I know some people will say that batteries shouldn;t be treated like this and that they don;t suffer from memory effect so you are free to not do what I am doing.
the biggest things that use up the battery is the 3G radio and the Display so of course if you are just using your phone to do stuff non stop of course you'd be lucky to get 4-6 hours of usage. Even if you have your phone doing useful stuff over wifi like checking for email in the background, it does consume battery. but with my phone in Airplane mode(like overseas where I would have no 3G or Wifi), I;ve gotten a couple of days of Standby time.
other stuff I have done is remove any apks in memory that might be consuming cpu cycles and memory. less is more on a limited platform like the Dinc. biggest cpu hogs on my phone believe it or not is Facebook and Amazon App Store(my guess is that it;s periodically checking my licensing for some apps that I got from them). it;s not uncommon for me to boot up the phone and for the battery to go from 100% to 90% in 5 minutes as the phone is initializing and doing whatever it;s doing. then slowly deplete from from 90% to 80% in 8 hours or so.
tekweezle said:
it;s not uncommon for me to boot up the phone and for the battery to go from 100% to 90% in 5 minutes as the phone is initializing and doing whatever it;s doing. then slowly deplete from from 90% to 80% in 8 hours or so.
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Your battery gauge is lying to you (and it's not such a bad thing)
So, I looked through all of battery university, but i still have 1 unanswered question. The website states that most Li-ion batteries should be charged to a mximum voltage of 4.20 V. However, does this apply to all batteries? I mean, my extended battery is a 3.7V battery. Was the htc dinc original battery a 3.7 v battery? If the voltages are different, then wouldn't the 3.7V battery need to be charged to a higher voltage so that the potential difference would equal that of the original battery and thus store the same charge? (theoretically)
ra9b said:
So, I looked through all of battery university, but i still have 1 unanswered question. The website states that most Li-ion batteries should be charged to a mximum voltage of 4.20 V. However, does this apply to all batteries? I mean, my extended battery is a 3.7V battery. Was the htc dinc original battery a 3.7 v battery? If the voltages are different, then wouldn't the 3.7V battery need to be charged to a higher voltage so that the potential difference would equal that of the original battery and thus store the same charge? (theoretically)
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You could check wake lock detector on the play store to see what apps may be causing a partial wake lock... I know gmail and uccw cam cause a decent wake lock time
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zachf714 said:
You could check wake lock detector on the play store to see what apps may be causing a partial wake lock... I know gmail and uccw cam cause a decent wake lock time
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I did check that and I didny find anything very abnormal, since I already greenified those apps.
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I found myself seeking threads in these forums about different ROM's and SOT obtained. The results were way different between different users, some claim to get 2.5h SOT some 5h SOT under normal circumstances.
Under normal circumstances I never get more than 3h and I suspected that my worn battery (598 charge cycles according to "Charge Cycle Battery Stats" app) was far from the original 3000mAh.(Thats a manufacturer stat obtained in perfect conditions, real world must be around 2800mAh)
I needed to measure the capacity left in mAh,so I bought a USB ammeter power meter (Keweisi white digits, but you don't need it, I'll explain later).
Using the Power meter, to measure properly you need to avoid thermal loss and power loss when charging:
- Note 5 completely discharged at 1 or 2% battery left.
- Disconnect the Fast charge option in Android.
- From start to finish keep the note 5 Switched off.
- Use an USB low power charger, mine was charging at 0.8A
Results: 1800mah that's far from the 2800mAh(3000mAh) when new.
(Same test I'm getting 2200mAh out of the original 2800mAh on my old Galasy S5 Neo.)
You don't need USB ammeter, Android has a builtin ammeter calculator(estimation).
Today I depleted the battery (2% left) of my note 5 again (Rom based on Android 7.0) and under battery usage I added all the "Computed Power Usage" in mAh giving the next results:
mAh
557 Cell standby (I worked underground today)
333 Screen 2h53m (30% brightness and auto brightness on)
271 Device Idle
221 chrome
203 Android OS
43 Google Play Serv.
39 Androyd System
27 Youtube
20 Yahoo Mail
20 Wi fi
17 com.android.systemui
Total: 1751mAh
This result shows that the phone itself makes a good estimation of mAh juice available in you battery.
As an anecdote I run the same test that Jerryrigeverything in YT with his Note 5(6 month of use): Playing a 2k video in 100% brightness( auto brightness off) with sound and in Flight Mode(not even wifi). He gets 6h20m, I surprisingly get 6h. But those test are only worth to compare Note 5's
Conclusions(my own and humble): Surprising degradation of my battery, specially compared with the results obtained in my S5 Neo. According to "battery university" (a good scientific source of information about Lithium-Ion) I might have shorten the life of my battery abusing of the fast charge mode.
monkeyisland3G said:
I found myself seeking threads in these forums about different ROM's and SOT obtained. The results were way different between different users, some claim to get 2.5h SOT some 5h SOT under normal circumstances.
Under normal circumstances I never get more than 3h and I suspected that my worn battery (598 charge cycles according to "Charge Cycle Battery Stats" app) was far from the original 3000mAh.(Thats a manufacturer stat obtained in perfect conditions, real world must be around 2800mAh)
I needed to measure the capacity left in mAh,so I bought a USB ammeter power meter (Keweisi white digits, but you don't need it, I'll explain later).
Using the Power meter, to measure properly you need to avoid thermal loss and power loss when charging:
- Note 5 completely discharged at 1 or 2% battery left.
- Disconnect the Fast charge option in Android.
- From start to finish keep the note 5 Switched off.
- Use an USB low power charger, mine was charging at 0.8A
Results: 1800mah that's far from the 2800mAh(3000mAh) when new.
(Same test I'm getting 2200mAh out of the original 2800mAh on my old Galasy S5 Neo.)
You don't need USB ammeter, Android has a builtin ammeter calculator(estimation).
Today I depleted the battery (2% left) of my note 5 again (Rom based on Android 7.0) and under battery usage I added all the "Computed Power Usage" in mAh giving the next results:
mAh
557Cell standby(I worked underground today)
333Screen 2h53m (30% brightness and auto brightness on)
271Device Idle
221chrome
203Android OS
43Google Play Serv.
39Androyd System
27Youtube
20Yahoo Mail
20Wi fi
17com.android.systemui
Total: 1751mAh
This result shows that the phone itself makes a good estimation of mAh juice available in you battery.
As an anecdote I run the same test that Jerryrigeverything in YT with his Note 5(6 month of use): Playing a 2k video in 100% brightness( auto brightness off) with sound and in Flight Mode(not even wifi). He gets 6h20m, I surprisingly get 6h. But those test are only worth to compare Note 5's
Conclusions(my own and humble): Surprising degradation of my battery, specially compared with the results obtained in my S5 Neo. According to "battery university" (a good scientific source of information about Lithium-Ion) I might have shorten the life of my battery abusing of the fast charge mode.
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Same here, the problem is that is quiet impossible to find a genuine battery for replacement. All those on amazon and ebay are crap.
memeliv said:
Same here, the problem is that is quiet impossible to find a genuine battery for replacement. All those on amazon and ebay are crap.
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That's the next step, find a good provider and compare capacities.
What I know so far is that there's 2 different battery models:
EB-BN920ABE The most common, but most reviews complain about being 4 or 5 mm shorter, ...less volume less capacity.
EB-BN920ABA Difficult to find, It seems the original replacement according to this picture:
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/UTB8YQ_yanzIXKJkSafVq6yWgXXa0.jpg The original is the right side one.
I found a Canadian provider who seems serious (free of fantasy marketing) who also ships worldwide, it looks like the original, (or a extremely good copy) I'm going to take the risk and try it:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OEM-EB-BN920ABA-3000mAh-Replacement-Battery-for-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5-N920-N920A/401346669803?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
I'll post results in about 6 weeks....
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That's the next step, find a good provider and compare capacities.
What I know so far is that there's 2 different battery models:
EB-BN920ABE The most common, but most reviews complain about being 4 or 5 mm shorter, ...less volume less capacity.
EB-BN920ABA Difficult to find, It seems the original replacement according to this picture:
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/UTB8YQ_yanzIXKJkSafVq6yWgXXa0.jpg The original is the right side one.
I found a Canadian provider who seems serious (free of fantasy marketing) who also ships worldwide, it looks like the original, (or a extremely good copy) I'm going to take the risk and try it:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OEM-EB-BN920ABA-3000mAh-Replacement-Battery-for-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5-N920-N920A/401346669803?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
I'll post results in about 6 weeks....
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How did it go? Those eBay batteries tend to be pretty bad in my experience.
Finally someone else is concerned about note 5 battery capacity, i replaced mine with an original one in feb 2018 from a nearby samsung service center for $40, i used Accubattery app to measure and compare the battery capacity of the old vs the new battery.
After two years of usage and fast charging enabled in all of charge sessions, the old battery was giving me 76% (2291 mAh) of the original capacity, while the new one is giving me 89% (2675 mAh) right now, the weird thing is that it was giving me 90% right when i purchased it, i dont know if this is normal or not.
As for SOT, the old battery was giving me 2.5 hours on average, with an average of 17 hours of total usage, the new one gives me 3.5 to 4 hours with an average of 20 hours of total usage (disconnect at 100% from charger and drained to 1% or 2%)
Hope you find this post helpful
monkeyisland3G said:
That's the next step, find a good provider and compare capacities.
What I know so far is that there's 2 different battery models:
EB-BN920ABE The most common, but most reviews complain about being 4 or 5 mm shorter, ...less volume less capacity.
EB-BN920ABA Difficult to find, It seems the original replacement according to this picture:
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/UTB8YQ_yanzIXKJkSafVq6yWgXXa0.jpg The original is the right side one.
I found a Canadian provider who seems serious (free of fantasy marketing) who also ships worldwide, it looks like the original, (or a extremely good copy) I'm going to take the risk and try it:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OEM-EB-B...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
I'll post results in about 6 weeks....
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I'm in the same boat as you. My battery life blows and I am looking for a decent replacement so I don't have to buy a new phone. How did that one work out for you?