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It's time to have a full-working ICS' Rom for our O2x?

Look here! http://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra What do you think? Video Encoding/decoding and H/w bugs can now solved? ???

As a lot of developers said, this is for linux, not for android so it's useless

Oh my God... please use the search button! Please! This is not for android, but for Linux! If you read the date of publishing you can understand that it is impossible that our developers don't know it, and do not open a new thread for this in developement section!
There is an identical topic in general created today...
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I'm sorry, i've post this on the wrong section! Sorryyyy please, close this!
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Android is linux based os for mobile devices
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wtf... im confused... isnt android linux? O_O

I'd say its definitly time for fully working ICS but who knows what NVIDIA thinks about it... .
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nycelitemaster said:
Android is linux based os for mobile devices
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You just answered yourself sir
Linux BASED
My ubuntu binaries doesn't work on Android so don't expect Linux blobs will work
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owain, i thought galaxy s2 had ics already, if so, why not port the drivers?

skylinegt77 said:
owain, i thought galaxy s2 had ics already, if so, why not port the drivers?
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It's not the same hardware...
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slebit said:
It's not the same hardware...
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ohhh. thought at least video and graphics processors where the same

At this moment, none of the three handsets with Tegra 2 (LG P990/P999/SU660, Motorola ME860/MB860, Samsung GT-I9103) have official ICS ROMs.
At the same time, these 3 manufacturers have rolled out ICS updates for other devices, so it's not like they don't know how to work with ICS.
Feel free to draw your own conclusions on who should be blamed for this frustrating situation of our devices. I know, though, who NOT to buy from again (hint: it's not LG).
And before someone say T2 tablets getting ICS, tablets != phones. I don't think any T2 tablets even have a 3G radio, so the chip can be of a completely different SKU and hence incompatible binaries.

akyp said:
At this moment, none of the three handsets with Tegra 2 (LG P990/P999/SU660, Motorola ME860/MB860, Samsung GT-I9103) have official ICS ROMs.
At the same time, these 3 manufacturers have rolled out ICS updates for other devices, so it's not like they don't know how to work with ICS.
Feel free to draw your own conclusions on who should be blamed for this frustrating situation of our devices. I know, though, who NOT to buy from again (hint: it's not LG).
And before someone say T2 tablets getting ICS, tablets != phones. I don't think any T2 tablets even have a 3G radio, so the chip can be of a completely different SKU and hence incompatible binaries.
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Yes it is LG
If it was nvidia I would not typing this on a tegra device
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lol owain, you're silly
but I reckon that even if someone can grab the ICS build of the newer LG phones (Lge/Lge2/4x?) that without the right T2 binaries...its pretty much useless?

mad_catmk2 said:
lol owain, you're silly
but I reckon that even if someone can grab the ICS build of the newer LG phones (Lge/Lge2/4x?) that without the right T2 binaries...its pretty much useless?
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Why ?
Nvidia probably gave the sources to lg (and other companies) before the public ics release
It is not up to nvidia to update the device to ICS it is up to lg but they are busier with newer phones
You would do the same if you were owner of lg it is about making money not about supporting old devices
Priority 1 new phones
Priority 2 software updates for the new phones
Priority 3 support for old phones
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nah I just like your general attitude towards building ROMS for this phone! its great to have a good community right?
I agree though with your logic...its just a truth that I choose not to accept since I did buy this phone nay a year ago for a hefty sum of money. I just want LG to give you guys the sources so we can all have fun and leave them alone (and get me that ICS fun)

Yeah I don't know why LG don't just "leak" the ics testing rom for O2X which I'm sure does exist in the deepest realm of LG.
That way it would get us lot of their back, they could concentrate on the newer phones, and nobody would care about the official release of ICS for O2X anymore

As someone who has had several LG phones I can safely say that once they have released a phone LG tends to stop giving a crap about it.

I think it's not in the LG itself, because no one with a Tegra 2 is not received ICS. Samsung has updated all the models, but it has not updated the model Galaxy R, but we know how well does the Samsung firmware! I think there is some sort of a different problem!
Nvidia probably gave the sources to lg (and other companies) before the public ics release
It is not up to nvidia to update the device to ICS it is up to lg but they are busier with newer phones
You would do the same if you were owner of lg it is about making money not about supporting old devices
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It depends on the quality of the company, after a very long supported samsung Galaxy S, even when the market was a Galaxy S2.
The company realized the essence of Samsung Android devices, such as to make them attractive to buyers - do quality support. Other companies do not understand this, because the coolest gadget, without the support - a piece of plastic!

ownjoouk said:
Yeah I don't know why LG don't just "leak" the ics testing rom for O2X which I'm sure does exist in the deepest realm of LG.
That way it would get us lot of their back, they could concentrate on the newer phones, and nobody would care about the official release of ICS for O2X anymore
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I asked Paul from Modaco to get a leak from his LG internal source.
Unfortunately there is nothing to leak yet...
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[Q] Why having full HW acceleration on CM9 is so difficult?

What we don't have to do a ROM that has got HW acceleration? I think forum's devs are better than LG's ones, why they can develop HW accel. and we can't?

Because LG can make fully compatible one. It has something like special package from nVidia from tegra 2,we don't have.
anyway we have sources, but i am not Android Dev, and I don't know if they can be used to make own HW driver.
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the binary drivers will be released with official update then only the processor can be configured for the full HW acceleration so all the NVIDIA tegra 2 are waiting....

Rayman96 said:
anyway we have sources, but i am not Android Dev, and I don't know if they can be used to make own HW driver.
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If we would have the (correct) sources then this could be done. But we don't have them, only LG does.
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can't take drivers from other devices(like eepad transformer)?

arturo108 said:
can't take drivers from other devices(like eepad transformer)?
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No, they would not work for our hardware.

Prada Phone Driver
Hey today the Prada Phone got his ICS update and as far as i know it also has the A9-Cortex CPU...
...so wouldn't it be possible to take the Driver(or Package, don't know that exactly) from the Prada Phone ROM for fully working HW Accerleration on the O2X?

zxr72 said:
Hey today the Prada Phone got his ICS update and as far as i know it also has the A9-Cortex CPU...
...so wouldn't it be possible to take the Driver(or Package, don't know that exactly) from the Prada Phone ROM for fully working HW Accerleration on the O2X?
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No.
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zxr72 said:
Hey today the Prada Phone got his ICS update and as far as i know it also has the A9-Cortex CPU...
...so wouldn't it be possible to take the Driver(or Package, don't know that exactly) from the Prada Phone ROM for fully working HW Accerleration on the O2X?
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Prada hasn't got same chip as O2X so it's impossible.
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Do you all who say "take it from another device, it has ICS" really think our dev's wouldn't take the drivers if it would make HW acc. possible ? hmm.. just read one of the thousand ICS threads for the o2x, in every thread you can read that they need the correct drivers from lg, so please stop discussing about such things..
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Mod, just close the thread... it's useless, due to the amount of times this has been debated and discussed...

ZTE Grand X
Just before this is closed . I would like to ask a quick question. I understand we cant use the drivers form transformer bcoz tablet chips are configured differently. Also PRADA is OMAP. A few weeks back i heard of ZTE Grand X with Tegra 2. So can't we use the drivers from that one?

shajumohamed said:
Just before this is closed . I would like to ask a quick question. I understand we cant use the drivers form transformer bcoz tablet chips are configured differently. Also PRADA is OMAP. A few weeks back i heard of ZTE Grand X with Tegra 2. So can't we use the drivers from that one?
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That has been discussed before, and unfortunately, no, it can't be done.
Btw steadymove has a very good point; if something a non dev can think of is actually possible, a dev would have already done that. There's really no need to ask if something is possible if you yourself are not sure it is.

Ahh, the joys of ics, keeping the general section alive (;
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At least we're not in the same shoes of Motorola Droid 2X users, that share the same platform but Motorola confirmed in May they'll not upgrade it to ICS. We at least, are in the hope LG does it and does not fall back on it's announcement.

Some answers from Ricardo Cerqueira (CM)

Yesterday I had a short chat with arcee.
A huge thanks to him for taking his time to answer these rather "easy" questions.
I focused mainly on the questions which are floating around at xda these days, now we do have some educated answers (aka "the truth").
If someone wants to read a little more, I had collected a couple G+ quotes about Nvidia/LG from him some time back, see here.
To make this post clearer I removed some of the crap I wrote and focused on the important answers from him.
Didn't change anything in his lines of course.
tonyp: first, what's your opinion about LG & Nvidia here.
tonyp: at least it looks like we'll get an official update eventually, Paul's post from his internel LG source looks promising
arcee: LG has been working on that model since February
arcee: as far as I know, they've been stamping out bugs ever since
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arcee: in any case, there's 2 sets of issues for a device like the 2x
arcee: 1 - for people like me, nvidia is utterly useless
arcee: I can't do anything on a tegra device unless the vendor does it first
arcee: 2 - as far as stock updates are concerned, that's almost entirely up to LG
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tonyp: yes, that's really something TI and otheres are ahead of Nvidia
tonyp: but shouldn't LG have some kind of reference source code?
tonyp: aka something that would help "people like you" to implement it yourself
arcee: the reference code is nvidia's
arcee: LG, or any other nvidia customer, can't share it. even if they customize it (and they do), it still started from nvidia intellectual property
tonyp: yes that's obvious
tonyp: what I meant was if LG needs help from Nvidia or if they could help themselves with these reference source code
arcee: they usually have to work together, especially early on
arcee: nvidia is sloppy, their first iterations tend to be, to various degrees, broken
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tonyp: Is the tegra2 chipset a problem here?
arcee: no, it isn't
arcee: the chipset is common as much
arcee: *muck
arcee: the problem is that nvidia chose a very uncommon approach to their android design
arcee: in particular, the userspace libraries and HALs have a ton of hardware-specific logic
arcee: **** that on other platforms is confined to kernel space (like "how to enable the audio amplifier" or whatever), is put in libraries when it comes to tegra
arcee: so for the most part, you can _not_ use a device's libraries on another, unless they share the same hardware components
arcee: and since nvidia publishes zero code, we can't just write our own
tonyp: iirc even things like auto brightness are controlled with nvidia libs?
arcee: yes. sensors, in this case
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tonyp: and how specific is this implementation - would we need another device which uses the star platform (which aren't many) or could the Samsung Galaxy R for example help as well
tonyp: you wrote at Twitter that the ZTE Grant (or Mimosa) X won't really help
arcee: at all
arcee: the star, the galaxy R, and the grand X are completely different devices
arcee: different components, different resolutions, different radios
arcee: different audio amps, different panel manufacturers, different almost everything
arcee: the designs have nothing in common other than being T2
tonyp: so it's either LG or nothing?
arcee: yes
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tonyp: and you're planning to get CM10 to the 2x then?
tonyp: because if I understood you correct you won't release any "broken" releases like you did with CM9 anymore. I do get the point, people blaming the apps when in reality the facebook rotation crash is related to a failed attempt of 2d hardware drawing.
arcee: if LG does come out with a release I can use, yes
arcee: else, no
tonyp: that's something
tonyp: and which updated libraries are exactly needed? Or are there too many to list?
arcee: pretty much everything
arcee: ICS is just too different from GB
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follow him, don't bother him - and don't threadjack his G+ posts!

this will surely clear up all those queries in the ics discussion page

I have my doubts.
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Thank you! It really helped me to understand the current situation with lg and other tegra 2 devices
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Thanks a ton bro
Clears out any confusion regarding what will be of use, and what will not be if any use to us, plus who is to blame for this mess.

Many thanks Tonyp for this, so as I can see, the problem is nVidia...And the same what happened to us with O2X can happen to Tegra3 users... So bye bye Nexus 7...and I do not understand Google why they choose Tegra3 for Nexus7... I will never buy anything which will contain something from nVidia company....

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Many thanks Tonyp for this, so as I can see, the problem is nVidia...And the same what happened to us with O2X can happen to Tegra3 users... So bye bye Nexus 7...and I do not understand Google why they choose Tegra3 for Nexus7... I will never buy anything which will contain something from nVidia company....
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I will for sure get a N7 as soon as it is launched here in the EU. It's a Nexus device after all.
And I don't think that he said Nvidia is the only one to blame - but don't make this thread to a LG vs. Nvidia one, so let's not start with that!

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arcee: the star, the galaxy R, and the grand X are completely different devices. different components, different resolutions, different radios, different audio amps,different panel manufacturers, different almost everything. The designs have nothing in common other than being T2
tonyp: so it's either LG or nothing?
arcee: yes

Man TonyP, you've tested his nerves quite badly, answering those boring questions again and again...:laugh:

Ferrum Master said:
Man TonyP, you've tested his nerves quite badly, answering those boring questions again and again...:laugh:
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Yeah I know I did feel a little bad about that.
He said that most of the stuff he said there isn't new and has been said by him several times.
The plan is that by pinning it out here it will become common knowledge now.

tonyp, you're hero of the forum. thanks.
perhaps the most positive line is arcee's "LG has been working on that model since february; as far as I know, they've been stamping out bugs ever since" and it's nice to know that, at least, for many of us here had doubts if LG is aware of that device at all. however it's a question of teamwork and both companies willings to do the job.
arcee was clear about not releasing cm10 nightie without LG/nvidia libraries at all, but we couldn't blame him. there are hopeful posts lately so we feels less forgotten
tonyp thanks again for sharing teh conversation!

Thanks tonyp, so for me, no Nvidia or Lg again, (only if it's nexus).

Reading the conversation i can only come to one decision. Android=Nexus nothing more nothing less.
I'm really tired of waiting, tired of translating korean to english from lg mobile korea, tired of the same answers every single day, tired of coming here and see some double/triple posting from someone who doesn't search first.
Tonyp i'd like to thank you for those posts you shared. They gave some peace if mind.
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So am I wrong to assume that CM10 even with official ICS release has very few chances to come to our mobile;
Tony big kudos to you for bothering RC with such "annoying" questions:thumbup:

loipol84 said:
So am I wrong to assume that CM10 even with official ICS release has very few chances to come to our mobile;
Tony big kudos to you for bothering RC with such "annoying" questions:thumbup:
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Yes, you are wrong. He means to say that if LG releases official ICS, it can probably be used to help in building CM10 too.

From Tweeter:
- when CM9 stable for LG Optimus 2X?
RC: never. At this point, if and when LG does the ICS update, it'll be used for CM10

Thats a good news.
I was telling ever since beginning LG is less responsible for our situation but nvidia
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spica1234 said:
Thats a good news.
I was telling ever since beginning LG is less responsible for our situation but nvidia
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I blame them equally and Google. NVIDIA for being secretive about their source code, doing non-standard Android integration implementations, being sloppy with development and continuously releasing bug-filled code to the OEMs it sells to (even the most current release of Tegra2 code has bugs known at release). LG for using NVIDIA SOC. Google for allowing phone OEMs, such as LG, to use chips from companies, such as NVIDIA, which hide their code so that independent developers can't modify/update Android.
Google should stop tolerating closed-source code from companies such as NVIDIA in order to popularize Android and, instead, require that all companies which use Android must provide complete and transparent open-source code for everything in a device which uses Android. That would mean that LG or any other company that uses Android in a device wouldn't be able to sell that device if it uses NVIDIA or another company's chips/hardware if it doesn't provide open-source human readable source code for micro-code, firmware, etc., and the development tools too.

Core Memory said:
I blame them equally and Google. NVIDIA for being secretive about their source code, doing non-standard Android integration implementations, being sloppy with development and continuously releasing bug-filled code to the OEMs it sells to (even the most current release of Tegra2 code has bugs known at release). LG for using NVIDIA SOC. Google for allowing phone OEMs, such as LG, to use chips from companies, such as NVIDIA, which hide their code so that independent developers can't modify/update Android.
Google should stop tolerating closed-source code from companies such as NVIDIA in order to popularize Android and, instead, require that all companies which use Android must provide complete and transparent open-source code for everything in a device which uses Android. That would mean that LG or any other company that uses Android in a device wouldn't be able to sell that device if it uses NVIDIA or another company's chips/hardware if it doesn't provide open-source human readable source code for micro-code, firmware, etc., and the development tools too.
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Without the Apache license which is used by Google Android wouldn't be that popular.
So that is no argument, it's the customers choice which brand to choose after all.
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Windows Phone 7.5

It's possibile flash rom wp7 on Lg optmus dual?
Thanks in advance

Yes, everything is possible
But you need at least custom kernel, custom rom, custom bootloader(?)
The hard part: Almost everything you need are closedsource, so you need to write all drivers by yourself and nvidia wont give any support. IF nvidia was going to help you then its up to LG to release their sources. Oh, i almost forgot, you also need MS sourcecode..
Im no dev so i might be wrong
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arcee: the star, the galaxy R, and the grand X are completely different devices. different components, different resolutions, different radios, different audio amps,different panel manufacturers, different almost everything. The designs have nothing in common other than being T2
tonyp: so it's either LG or nothing?
arcee: yes

Didn't WP7 only run on Qualcomm chipsets?
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If you want well flushable phone, get HTC HD2.
We don't have wp7 rom and probably won't.
If you want just wp7 look it is much more easier do do it - themed framework apps etc.
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FORGIVE my stupidity

FORGIVE my stupidity
BUT IF THE MODEL AND THE SU660 P990 ARE IDENTICAL NOT BE IMPLEMENT THE CAMERA THAT THERE ISNELL channel update ICS AND SOLVE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMATICE CURRENTLY IN ICS relase ISSUED BY YOU OR RIDING A DIFFERENT CHIP?.

ulkika said:
FORGIVE my stupidity
BUT IF THE MODEL AND THE SU660 P990 ARE IDENTICAL NOT BE IMPLEMENT THE CAMERA THAT THERE ISNELL channel update ICS AND SOLVE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMATICE CURRENTLY IN ICS relase ISSUED BY YOU OR RIDING A DIFFERENT CHIP?.
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I wont forgive your stupidty, lazyness, your cappslock, and your grammar ( if you're native lang. is English).

ulkika said:
FORGIVE my stupidity
BUT IF THE MODEL AND THE SU660 P990 ARE IDENTICAL
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NOT IDENTICAL THEY ARE.
HW BUTTON SU660 HAVE, DIFFERENT IN MANY WAYS
SEARCH AND YOU FIND
/Yoda

So... did anyone actually get what that guy said?

vanmarek said:
So... did anyone actually get what that guy said?
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Something about why we don't use things from the leaked SU660 ICS to our P990... or something like that..
I'm not sure though
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arcee: the star, the galaxy R, and the grand X are completely different devices. different components, different resolutions, different radios, different audio amps,different panel manufacturers, different almost everything. The designs have nothing in common other than being T2
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arcee: yes

HerrKuk said:
Something about why we don't use things from the leaked SU660 ICS to our P990... or something like that..
I'm not sure though
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arcee: the star, the galaxy R, and the grand X are completely different devices. different components, different resolutions, different radios, different audio amps,different panel manufacturers, different almost everything. The designs have nothing in common other than being T2
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arcee: yes
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Damn!!!!! Two swedes with a sense of humor!!!
My world is falling apart.
(btw. I dont have a clue about what the gentleman is asking)
Hej
Mike, the terrible Dane.

Having volunteered in immigrant-helping programs, I have a good understanding of broken English.
I believe he is asking "why can't we solve the camera problem in current P990 ICS builds if the SU660 and P990 are identical"?
The answer: Because kernel sources are not out yet. Right now, even the SU660 itself can't get a custom ICS ROM that works properly, because developing such a ROM requires the source code. And once the source is released, it doesn't matter if we don't get a P990 update, as SU660 drivers can be transferred over.