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[Q] Does ROM Manager back up the ENTIRE phone?

Silly noob-like question, but I wanted to make sure before I continued messing with my phone.
Does ROM Manager back up EVERYTHING on the phone? For example, I backup my rom. Move the backup file onto my pc. Then I screw around with roms, lag fixes, etc. and totally screw it up. If I "restore" the backup made by ROM Manager, will all my apps, settings, desktop, data files, etc be exactly as they were before I started screwing around?
Or, would I need to use Odin to load the same ROM as that which was backed up and then run Rom Manager Restore?
Thanks!

Yes it does
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Here's another question regarding this thread:
I have the lagfix mod which uses the internal sdcard. When I create a backup will it and restore exactly how it was including the lagfix partition? If yes, is it the same procedures or do I have to do it a different way with the extra partition?
Thanks in advance.

Deca4 said:
Here's another question regarding this thread:
I have the lagfix mod which uses the internal sdcard. When I create a backup will it and restore exactly how it was including the lagfix partition? If yes, is it the same procedures or do I have to do it a different way with the extra partition?
Thanks in advance.
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Actually I am trying to figure out the same thing. I made a backup before I started messing around with lag fixes, different roms and so forth. Then the other day I tried to restore a rom it didn't work. Eventually I soft bricked the phone and had to make the USB Jig to get it working again. Needless to say I am very intrigued with what exactly Rom Manager does backup and its limitations but I can't seem to find it anywhere. I am thinking the reason my backup was screwed up was because of a lag fix, only problem is I can't remember what lag fix I had on it when I did the initial recovery.

Something from my experience to add here:
Scenario 1:
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I backed up the original 2.1 JH7 on my phone.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM, and played around with it.
Backed up 2.2 ROM.
Messed up with my 2.2 custom ROM.
Went to ROM manager recovery, and recovered the backed up 2.1 JH7, and ended up messing up. My phone didn't even boot up.
Then I went back to recovery, and tried restoring the backed up version of 2.2.
Phone booted up into 2.2, but, started giving a lot of FCs.
Scenario 2:
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Installed 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Backed it up.
Messed it.
Restored it - worked fine.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM 2.
Backed it up.
Restored the 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Everything working fine.
Looks like as long as the core OS is of the same version, it seems to work.
Maybe there is something in the boot sequence that's probably not being restored (???)
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Edit: I do not have CWM app installed. I use the CWM update.zip recovery manager since its the least intrusive way.

diablo009 said:
Something from my experience to add here:
Scenario 1:
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I backed up the original 2.1 JH7 on my phone.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM, and played around with it.
Backed up 2.2 ROM.
Messed up with my 2.2 custom ROM.
Went to ROM manager recovery, and recovered the backed up 2.1 JH7, and ended up messing up. My phone didn't even boot up.
Then I went back to recovery, and tried restoring the backed up version of 2.2.
Phone booted up into 2.2, but, started giving a lot of FCs.
Scenario 2:
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Installed 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Backed it up.
Messed it.
Restored it - worked fine.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM 2.
Backed it up.
Restored the 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Everything working fine.
Looks like as long as the core OS is of the same version, it seems to work.
Maybe there is something in the boot sequence that's probably not being restored (???)
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Edit: I do not have CWM app installed. I use the CWM update.zip recovery manager since its the least intrusive way.
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Interesting, it would makes sense in what you are saying. My error that I go was when I went from my original JH7 backup, installed a rom based on JH6 and then tried to install my original backup. I might have to try JH6 roms and see if I can restore to them easily or not. I will have to wait for Micro USB cables to come in as I don't have a spare since I used my only cable to make the JIG.

The kernel and modem aren't backed up, so if your backups use different ones and you try to restore them you'll have issues.

I herd a rumor that rom manager doesn't work with froyo on the captivate. But I could be totally wrong.
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peachpuff said:
The kernel and modem aren't backed up, so if your backups use different ones and you try to restore them you'll have issues.
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This is what I have read about it as well

Voodoo
There is also a different version of CWM Recovery (what Rom Manager uses to back things up) for the voodoo lag fix.

tnerb123 said:
I herd a rumor that rom manager doesn't work with froyo on the captivate. But I could be totally wrong.
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It works. I backed up and restored a few variants of Froyo ROMs.

peachpuff said:
The kernel and modem aren't backed up, so if your backups use different ones and you try to restore them you'll have issues.
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How do I backup these? Is there any way?

If Ron Manager does backup the kernel and modem why would so many people have problems restoring back to different Roms? This is why I am so puzzled with this software.
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Rom Manager can backup EFS folder ??
i lost my imei and the only backup that i have its from Ron Manager

Absolutely it does there!

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but best bet is backup from recovery. Saves everything down to browser login data. Can't go wrong with a full backup! I make one every time I flash just about anything.
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Rom Manager vs CWM Recovery
yes Rom Manager can do backup of phone..but why not just do
a Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery..
never had problem with Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery :victory:

dobi3 said:
yes Rom Manager can do backup of phone..but why not just do
a Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery..
never had problem with Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery :victory:
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Agreed!
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Rom Manager Recovery question.

So I have tried many times to restore my phone from a backup made by recovery manager, but it never seems to work. It will always make it to the desktop, but either restart constantly or everything will constantly crash making it unusable. Is there something I'm doing wrong?
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Is your back up the same base as what toy are on. Meaning 2.1 to 2.1. Are you trying to restore a stock backup over 2.2?

mcord11758 said:
Is your back up the same base as what toy are on. Meaning 2.1 to 2.1. Are you trying to restore a stock backup over 2.2?
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No. The ROM I was running when doing the backup was Serendipity 3.0. I flashed back to Serendipity 3.0, then ran my restore. Everything constantly crashes.
EDIT: I've found uninstalling and reinstalling the applications works, but then there's no point in making a nandroid backup. I might as well just flash back to the ROM I was on and use TiBu in that case.

Anyone else have any ideas?
I'd really like to experiment more with ROMs and custom projects, but I don't want to unless I can basically go back to what I had with one click.

Get titanium backup pro. lts $5, but well worth it. Everything restores with one click.
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sixstringsg said:
Get titanium backup pro. lts $5, but well worth it. Everything restores with one click.
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Yeah, I guess I'll just backup absolutely everything with TiBU Pro and keep the installation files around for each ROM, since CWM backups do not seem to work properly.

Auridran said:
Yeah, I guess I'll just backup absolutely everything with TiBU Pro and keep the installation files around for each ROM, since CWM backups do not seem to work properly.
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CWM backups work fine as long as you have matching firmware versions (2.1-2.1, 2.2-2.2, or 2.2.1-2.2.1)
also you need to be aware of lagfixes in the rom that you may currently be running, they are not always compatible between roms
nandroid does not backup your kernel or modem which is why you need to be moving within the same firmware versions
you cant make a stock nandroid backup, flash a 2.2 rom, then restore from that backup immediately. you will need to do a couple of things first.
keep a stock 2.1 cwm flashable kernel and modem on your sdcard
revert any lagfixes your phone may have prior to trying to restore your nandroid of stock
once lagfixes are removed, flash your kernel and modem (same firmware version as your nandroid backup)(its possible to have this set up within ONE zip file)
once you are rebooted back into CWM, restore your nandroid...reboot and profit

Pirateghost said:
CWM backups work fine as long as you have matching firmware versions (2.1-2.1, 2.2-2.2, or 2.2.1-2.2.1)
also you need to be aware of lagfixes in the rom that you may currently be running, they are not always compatible between roms
nandroid does not backup your kernel or modem which is why you need to be moving within the same firmware versions
you cant make a stock nandroid backup, flash a 2.2 rom, then restore from that backup immediately. you will need to do a couple of things first.
keep a stock 2.1 cwm flashable kernel and modem on your sdcard
revert any lagfixes your phone may have prior to trying to restore your nandroid of stock
once lagfixes are removed, flash your kernel and modem (same firmware version as your nandroid backup)(its possible to have this set up within ONE zip file)
once you are rebooted back into CWM, restore your nandroid...reboot and profit
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Well like I said, I made a backup on my Serendipity 3.0 ROM I had going, flashed to something else, then even flashed back to Serendipity 3.0 before restoring and it still didn't work properly. All the apps I had installed just force-closed until I reinstalled them, or force-closed somewhere during use.

Nandroid work for cm7?

I want to try some kernels for cm 7.1 to see if ocing could help speed up some games. If I don't like them I would like to get stock kernel back and I know I can't use sgs kernel flasher to back up current kernel because cm7 is different. I think I read that you could do a Nandroid and this would back up the current complete setup. Is this true? (sorry can't seem to search efficiently on this Tapatalk and don't have access to a computer). If so does it also backup apps, data and all? Is it done on the backup rom from rom manager or recovery? Thank you for your help.
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nandroid backs up everything just as it is. definitely use cwm not rom manager.
you could also just put d/l the stable kernel as a cwm flashable zip.
2 cents

fractaline said:
nandroid backs up everything just as it is. definitely use cwm not rom manager.
you could also just put d/l the stable kernel as a cwm flashable zip.
2 cents
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Thank you for your help. Where can I find the kernel?
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Don't know for sure (I don't run cm7), but I would check the op of the cm7 thread.

fractaline said:
nandroid backs up everything just as it is. definitely use cwm not rom manager.
you could also just put d/l the stable kernel as a cwm flashable zip.
2 cents
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nandroids do not backup kernel or modem.
have you ever made a backup of one set up and tried to restore onto a completly different rom? well if you have then you know there is a high chance that it will bootloop because of a now incompatible kernel. the procedure for a proper nandroid restore is to flash the rom it was backed up on (thus flashing the kernel that is compatible with it) and THEN restoring the nandroid. then it will be like you never flashed away from that rom at all. (this is speaking of tw roms as i have never run an aosp so i could be mistaken about it not backing up kernel on cm7)

studacris said:
nandroids do not backup kernel or modem.
have you ever made a backup of one set up and tried to restore onto a completly different rom? well if you have then you know there is a high chance that it will bootloop because of a now incompatible kernel. the procedure for a proper nandroid restore is to flash the rom it was backed up on (thus flashing the kernel that is compatible with it) and THEN restoring the nandroid. then it will be like you never flashed away from that rom at all. (this is speaking of tw roms as i have never run an aosp so i could be mistaken about it not backing up kernel on cm7)
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Yea, I kinda thought that, but thought it worked for cm7.
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Nandroid backup queries?

Hi , some questions.Will appreciate if anyone could take the time and answer.
1. What things are left out in a nandroid backup? Are kernels included?
2. I can't restore a nandroid backup of froyo on GB without flashing a stock froyo build first, is that right?
3. Can I restore a Nandroid backup of GB 2.3.3 (say) while on GB 2.3.7 or any other 2.3.x? If yes, what if I am on different kernel than the backup kernel, can i still do it?
4. Suppose I am on 2.3.x based custom rom (say MIUI) and I restore a 2.3.x based CyanogenMod Nandroid backup, will I get my whole CM back or all my apps/settings of CM on MIUI?
Thanks a lot.

Hi!
praky said:
Hi , some questions.Will appreciate if anyone could take the time and answer.
1. What things are left out in a nandroid backup? Are kernels included?
2. I can't restore a nandroid backup of froyo on GB without flashing a stock froyo build first, is that right?
3. Can I restore a Nandroid backup of GB 2.3.3 (say) while on GB 2.3.7 or any other 2.3.x? If yes, what if I am on different kernel than the backup kernel, can i still do it?
4. Suppose I am on 2.3.x based custom rom (say MIUI) and I restore a 2.3.x based CyanogenMod Nandroid backup, will I get my whole CM back or all my apps/settings of CM on MIUI?
Thanks a lot.
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I'm not sure I can answer all your questions but I'll tell you what I've done.
From stock, after making a nandroid backup using CWM, I've flashed a CM7 having done all the usual wipe(cache,etc) procedures and gone back to stock using the backup. Everything is restored, including my settings, old messages, kernel, apps, everything. Be warned, you will obviously lose all the messages and call records that you received after you flashed the new ROM, unless you use an SMS/call log backup app. Same with CM7 to CM9 and back. So if you plan to flash a new ROM, the nandroid should be able to get you back to the exact same state that you were in when you made the backup.
I'm not much of an expert though, so I might be wrong. Feel free to improve on this answer!

1) Yes
2) Yes. Because of change of Linux kernel version.
3) Yes.
4) You will get whole CM back!
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Thanks a lot guys...
One more question.
As you said, since I can't restore a backup of froyo on GB (because of linux kernel change), how can i restore a 2.3.x with a different kernel on a different 2.3.x with a custom kernel. Or is this kernel different from a linux kernel?
Asking because you answered the b part of 3rd question as yes (or maybe you didn't answer it at all, i am implying here)

forcrp said:
I'm not sure I can answer all your questions but I'll tell you what I've done.
From stock, after making a nandroid backup using CWM, I've flashed a CM7 having done all the usual wipe(cache,etc) procedures and gone back to stock using the backup. Everything is restored, including my settings, old messages, kernel, apps, everything. Be warned, you will obviously lose all the messages and call records that you received after you flashed the new ROM, unless you use an SMS/call log backup app. Same with CM7 to CM9 and back. So if you plan to flash a new ROM, the nandroid should be able to get you back to the exact same state that you were in when you made the backup.
I'm not much of an expert though, so I might be wrong. Feel free to improve on this answer!
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Since GB to froyo is not allowed then CM9 (ICS) to CM7 (GB) should also be not allowed? Just want to clarify, have you restored CM7 backup on CM9?

praky said:
Since GB to froyo is not allowed then CM9 (ICS) to CM7 (GB) should also be not allowed? Just want to clarify, have you restored CM7 backup on CM9?
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Cm9 for the Ace still uses the old 2.6 linux kernel(same as the gb kernel) because linux kernel 3.x of ICS is difficult to port for our device!
I have restored a CM7 nandroid backup from CM9 and CM10 and it works perfectly!
Any Gb to gb rom restore works.
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galaxyace152 said:
Cm9 for the Ace still uses the old 2.6 linux kernel(same as the gb kernel) because linux kernel 3.x of ICS is difficult to port for our device!
I have restored a CM7 nandroid backup from CM9 and CM10 and it works perfectly!
Any Gb to gb rom restore works.
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Can i restore a stocklite backup (gb rom) from maclaws rom directly..will there be any MD5 mismatch or any other problem ?
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Cant restore my contacts,sms,apps and data from Gingerbread nandroid backup
Hi,
I have a similar problem.
Thought of posting a new thread but afraid that i would flood the forum.
I have taken NANDROID backup of my Gingerbread Stock ROM(rooted) using CWM.
Currently im in Cyanogenmod 7.2 for galaxy ace S5830.
I thought of restoring my Contacts,Sms,Apps using Advanced restore from Recovery mode.
Result: "MD5 mismatch" hence unsuccessful.
I tried restoring my Entire NANDROID back up.
Result: The Ace was stuck up with Samsung LOGO.
I flashed CM7.2 again after restoring factory settings.Things work but a blank phone.
So im in 7.2 again. How do i restore the GB Rom? I just want to safely export Sms,contacts and data using .APKs and retrieve back in CM7.2 ????
(BTW CM 7.2 gives me 2 days battery backup at 480 Mhz (underclock) with many useful apps customized as ROM. Quite Delighted. Thanks to Mclaw)

Custom and stock roms use different file systems. Custom uses ext4, stock uses rfs. You need to convert file systems before restoring backup.
Ways to do it:
-flashing stock firmware with odin.
-using the cf-root ext4 manager app, which you can extract from cf-root flashable zip.
Good luck

[Q] Switch KK4 Stock and CM9 Roms

Hi Guys.
Well, first of all, before someone jumps in and yell at me for such a question, I apologize in advance but I already know that is impossible to do it, but I still have some doubts about what could be some possible solutions for my problem.
In resume, I had my Captivate with Eclair 2.1 Stock rom, I wanted to use CM9, so I took KK4 Stock Rom from this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18370912&postcount=3
as requested in the CM Wiki - Captivate Full Update Guide, then flashed mtcarey's Kernel with the ClockworkMod Recovery 5, at that step, before flashing CM9, I made a Nandroid Backup just in case something went wrong, and also because I liked GB, I used GB for about 2 days just to give it a try, then I flashed CM9 and everything worked great.
Now, I have made a Nandroid backup of CM9 too, both backups are in my PC too; And here it comes my problem, I know I cant use CWM to restore KK4 Nandroid Backup, cause I already tried and It throws me an error flashing boot img, and end up in a boot loop, (I think that's pretty normal isn't, Things we need to do to learn ), also, don't know if that's because different CWM versions, cause CM9 comes with a newer version of CWM than the one of mtcarey's kernel.
So, Is there anyway I can take the Stock KK4 Rom and make it CWM compatible?, Or everytime I'd like to get back to GB I'll have to do all the Odin thing, flash mtcarey's kernel again, and then use my Nandroid Backup to really get back, and then keep making Nandroid backups to keep updating my Roms.
BTW, I don't care about apps, Call logs o SMS; I only care about contacts and I have them all in my SIM; And again, apps are ok cause Nandroid backups cover them, and I don't usually have that many apps, just the necessary ones.
Note: I'd like to Switch between this Roms cause, I really like the look of GB, I prefer the Camera app too, and in the 2 days I used it, I don't know if It's just me or not, but I found GB handling my battery more efficiently; And Of course I like CM9 cause has more settings to edit, more customizable, etc.
Thanks in advance!
PS: Sorry I Didn't notice I can't post Questions in this section, can some admin move it to Q&A section? Would be very appreciated.

Once u r running CM or similar, in order to go back to GB Stock firmware or Roms based on that, you must use Odin or Heimdall to flash back to GB...because the partitions are different. Stock firmware = BML/rfs partitions and CM, AOSP, AOKP, MIUI and such like = MTD/ yaffs(2) partitions.
Flashing from GB, froyo, or eclair to CM or the like only requires u to do full wipe and then flash the Rom twice in CWM...first flash in ur current cwm. second flash of rom in that rom's cwm recovery that comes up from first flash.
U can only restore nandroid backups when u r back on that Rom u were on when u made the back up. And u need to be using the same cwm recovery/ kernel u were using when u made said backup.
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4-2ndtwin said:
Once u r running CM or similar, in order to go back to GB Stock firmware or Roms based on that, you must use Odin or Heimdall to flash back to GB...because the partitions are different. Stock firmware = BML/rfs partitions and CM, AOSP, AOKP, MIUI and such like = MTD/ yaffs(2) partitions.
Flashing from GB, froyo, or eclair to CM or the like only requires u to do full wipe and then flash the Rom twice in CWM...first flash in ur current cwm. second flash of rom in that rom's cwm recovery that comes up from first flash.
U can only restore nandroid backups when u r back on that Rom u were on when u made the back up. And u need to be using the same cwm recovery/ kernel u were using when u made said backup.
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Many Thanks man, well that entirely clear my doubts, I suppose if I just keep using both Roms time to time, of course It wont be every week but so much time more, I just need to keep my Nandroid backups of both Roms, to do all the back-to-stock-flash-again thing and restore the backup and continue using the rom from where I left it... or in any case, switch from CM9 to anther custom ROM... from now I'll stay in CM9 till CM10 reach an stable version.
Again, thanks man, really appreciated.

No prob. :thumbup:
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