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I purchased a jailbroken AT&T Tilt 2 online but Im using T Mobile service and I was told that I wouldn't be able to access the T Mobile 3g Network with this device. Could someone verify that this true or if not can someone give me some tips on how to set it up on my device.
Its true, because I have a Tilt 2 unlocked to T-Mobile as well. Is there a way to get 3G speeds, I don't know. But honestly, I've never really noticed a difference. But then again, I do stay away from data heavy sites like Youtube and whatnot.
Hmm, interesting question. The main issue is whether the phone has the right bands to connect to the 3G network in question. Its a hardware issue, and either the phone has the right bands built into the chipset or it doesn't. There is no way to change this with software or by changing settings.
T-Mob uses 1700 and 2100 MHz bands, where ATT uses 850 and 1900 MHz bands. HOWEVER, the ATT branded Tilt 2 also has the 2100 MHz band for international use. If your T-Mob service area is on the 2100 MHz bands, its possible (if you area is on 1700 MHz, its not going to work no matter what). In theory, it SHOULD work. I've made many trips to Japan, which uses 2100 MHZ for both voice and data, and my Tilt 2 (and old Tilt before it) has always worked flawlessly on their networks.
But whether it really works or not, I have no idea. Searching around the net yields some posts on other forums asking the same exact question, with conflicting answers (perhaps somebody on here can enlighten?). My gut says, its either its going to work or its not, it shouldn't take any additional setup. Have you tried it yet?
But in short, it was a mistake to buy the ATT branded version. You should have bought the T-Mob branded Touch Pro 2.
Oh, and wrong subforum, BTW. This has nothing to do with ROM development. This should be in the Touch Pro 2, Tilt 2 General forum. But don't cross post there, the mods will probably move this thread over there for you.
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T-Mob uses 1700 and 2100 MHz bands, where ATT uses 850 and 1900 MHz bands. HOWEVER, the ATT branded Tilt 2 also has the 2100 MHz band for international use. If your T-Mob service area is on the 2100 MHz bands, its possible (if you area is on 1700 MHz, its not going to work no matter what). In theory, it SHOULD work. I've made many trips to Japan, which uses 2100 MHZ for both voice and data, and my Tilt 2 (and old Tilt before it) has always worked flawlessly on their networks.
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The 2100 MHz band you're referring to is different on both companies' devices. For T-Mobile, 2100MHz is the upload frequency. The worldphone AT&T 2100MHz band is a download frequency. 3G requires 2 frequencies to operate in that manner.
The 2100MHz frequency is accompanied by the 1900MHz frequency for uploads. The AT&T Tilt2 has this frequency set to allow both.
As for Japan, I didn't know they were on the 2100MHz band. I've only every seen a couple of companies on 850, 1500, or 1700 MHz. Where were you that you used 2100MHz or which company? I just like to keep up on where the bands are useful when I make trips to Asia.
Ahh, that's right, I think I did read somewhere, that the 1700/2100 MHz bands are used by T-Mob as download/upload. Not like ATT, where which of the 850,1900 MHz band is used for 3G depends on the geographic location/market.
That means the OP is SOL on getting 3G on the Tilt2, right? He would need BOTH the 1700 and 2100 MHz bands on his phone?
Japan uses 2100 MHz exclusively, standardized nationwide, as far as I know. Same with South Korea (although ATT lists that one carrier in S. Korea also uses CDMA 1800, not sure what the deal with that is).
If the 2100 MHz band on the ATT Tilt 2 is just for download, wouldn't this mean that my phone would not be able to connect to the data network in Japan?
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Ahh, that's right, I think I did read somewhere, that the 1700/2100 MHz bands are used by T-Mob as download/upload. Not like ATT, where which of the 850,1900 MHz band is used for 3G depends on the geographic location/market.
That means the OP is SOL on getting 3G on the Tilt2, right? He would need BOTH the 1700 and 2100 MHz bands on his phone?
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Exactly right. It's a hardware problem, not software as some people think. I seem to answer this question at least once a week here. lol The radio chip is different for each model of the Rhodium. That's one of the differences between the several versions.
Japan uses 2100 MHz exclusively, standardized nationwide, as far as I know. Same with South Korea (although ATT lists that one carrier in S. Korea also uses CDMA 1800, not sure what the deal with that is).
If the 2100 MHz band on the ATT Tilt 2 is just for download, wouldn't this mean that my phone would not be able to connect to the data network in Japan?
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It depends on what the network is set up as. 3G worldwide requires two bands to operate because of the bandwidth. GPRS and EDGE only require one. If this 2100 MHz frequency is one of the later, then it will work just fine. If this is a 3G band, then it is VERY likely to be paired with the 1900MHz frequency range. That's on GSM, anyway. I'm not 100% sure what CDMA frequencies are their.
Guys help me out here. Im trying to find out which LTE bands the HTC one has.
Im Interested in 900 MHz, 2600 Mhz and 800 Mhz but mostly the first two since the 800 Mhz is not finished and not online yet.
I cant seem to find any info about this. Does any one have a clue? Also link your source please since i want to be sure before i buy the phone that it works with my telecom company's LTE network
I asked in another thread but didn't get an answer at all
Thanks
taxas said:
Guys help me out here. Im trying to find out which LTE bands the HTC one has.
Im Interested in 900 MHz, 2600 Mhz and 800 Mhz but mostly the first two since the 800 Mhz is not finished and not online yet.
I cant seem to find any info about this. Does any one have a clue? Also link your source please since i want to be sure before i buy the phone that it works with my telecom company's LTE network
I asked in another thread but didn't get an answer at all
Thanks
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Maybe because nobody has an answer.
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you just have to go to the specific websites....each one is going to be selling a different version that works with different bands....
That is because HTC loves making too many variations of the same phone, one for each network provider/market, therefore make it confusing for everyone, perfect example HTC Butterfly variants. Would make much more cost effective sense to make all in one, then a CDMA model like most other manufacturers. I am so certain that this is the case for LTE that you do not have the bands listed yet.
well testoad
danw_oz said:
That is because HTC loves making too many variations of the same phone, one for each network provider/market, therefore make it confusing for everyone, perfect example HTC Butterfly variants. Would make much more cost effective sense to make all in one, then a CDMA model like most other manufacturers. I am so certain that this is the case for LTE that you do not have the bands listed yet.
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From http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one/#specs:
LTE:
EU: 800/1800/2600 MHz
US (AT&T): 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
US (TMO): 700/AWS MHz
US (Sprint): 1900 MHz
Asia: 1800/2600 Mhz
Palla71 said:
From http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one/#specs:
LTE:
EU: 800/1800/2600 MHz
US (AT&T): 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
US (TMO): 700/AWS MHz
US (Sprint): 1900 MHz
Asia: 1800/2600 Mhz
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This is new information, just added obviously.
And yes exactly what I stated, too many unnecessary variations. From what I read here, realistically they only needed two variants to cover all this EU/Asia and US, then leave it up to the network providers to lock the phones to their network as everyone else does.
that good it got 2600 mhz, my country support it !!!
yet it is coming at end of April for my country with LTE ready
Finally! The official list of LTE bands! EU version I will buy you!!!!! Haha I need that 800 baseband....
But wait... I can see that it's being broken by continents. Does that mean that a different model is being sold on each of those continents? Or are they trying to say that HTC One(only 1 model) can support the available frequencies of those listed?
I think you'll be able to buy an unlocked LTE version, but have to choose between the Asian or EU LTE radio bands. As for the US and Canada, I'm sure we'll be stuck going with a carrier branded version if we want LTE or have to settle for just 3G speeds on an unlocked version.
Hi,
As the title implies, is the htc one dev phone quad band? and if not, is any htc one quad band? of course they are locked down to use certain frequencies and what not to specific carriers.
Thing Im getting at is... if it indeed does have quad band then there is room for devs to find a way for people like me to get LTE on t-mobile and not just 3G. Unfortunately, the devs phone tend to favor ATT and leaves t-mobile hanging when it comes to 4G.
Many thanks,
Tim
Becool0130 said:
Hi,
As the title implies, is the htc one dev phone quad band? and if not, is any htc one quad band? of course they are locked down to use certain frequencies and what not to specific carriers.
Thing Im getting at is... if it indeed does have quad band then there is room for devs to find a way for people like me to get LTE on t-mobile and not just 3G. Unfortunately, the devs phone tend to favor ATT and leaves t-mobile hanging when it comes to 4G.
Many thanks,
Tim
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I have been told that when a radio is available then we could flash it. But I haven't been able to confirm this and I too want to know about this. 1700mhz band is what Tmobile uses. This really could be the difference between me getting an S4 and this phone.
I believe that the dev edition out of the box will not support 1700 for TMO but I also believe that is a software limitation and not a hardware one as I believe it is the same hardware as the at&t version.
MG
Becool0130 said:
Hi,
As the title implies, is the htc one dev phone quad band? and if not, is any htc one quad band? of course they are locked down to use certain frequencies and what not to specific carriers.
Thing Im getting at is... if it indeed does have quad band then there is room for devs to find a way for people like me to get LTE on t-mobile and not just 3G. Unfortunately, the devs phone tend to favor ATT and leaves t-mobile hanging when it comes to 4G.
Many thanks,
Tim
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Dev version has same frequency as AT&T version
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
US (AT&T): 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
3G for Tmobile is not supported but I guess 4G is supported because it has AWS
1900 mhz is t-mobile 3G network it will have 3G but no 4G. Unless the devs get there hands on the 1700 soon.
My other question still applies from above. Is this phone indeed a quad band one?
Thanks
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Becool0130 said:
1900 mhz is t-mobile 3G network it will have 3G but no 4G. Unless the devs get there hands on the 1700 soon.
My other question still applies from above. Is this phone indeed a quad band one?
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Anyone know for a fact that a radio flash would enable 1700?
I couldn't find exact specs, but the report on ifixit (can't post link) tells that there is a Qualcomm MDM9215M Communications Chip for GSM/UMTS/LTE. The other chip TriQuint TQM7M9023 is for Quad Band usage, GSM etc.
I am trying to find out, which Frequencies this chip supports.
I want to buy the US Dev Edition 64GB for use in Europe and I am still hoping that flashing a new radio rom is a work-around to get it working everywhere.
Maybe somebody has already done it?
Becool0130 said:
1900 mhz is t-mobile 3G network it will have 3G but no 4G. Unless the devs get there hands on the 1700 soon.
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It's actually 7-band (700/850/900/AWS/1800/1900/2100)... but not all bands are available for all technologies. Here is what you get:
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz - This will give you 3G support on AT&T and MAY give you 3G/4G support on T-Mobile, but only in the limited areas where T-Mobile has already migrated their 1900MHz spectrum to HSPA+. In most areas, their 3G/4G service is limited to the AWS band which the HTC One Developer Edition only supports for LTE.
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz - This will give you 2G/2.5G support on pretty much every GSM provider.
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz - This will give you 4G LTE support on AT&T and T-Mobile.
Cloudscout said:
It's actually 7-band (700/850/900/AWS/1800/1900/2100)... but not all bands are available for all technologies. Here is what you get:
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz - This will give you 3G support on AT&T and MAY give you 3G/4G support on T-Mobile, but only in the limited areas where T-Mobile has already migrated their 1900MHz spectrum to HSPA+. In most areas, their 3G/4G service is limited to the AWS band which the HTC One Developer Edition only supports for LTE.
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz - This will give you 2G/2.5G support on pretty much every GSM provider.
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz - This will give you 4G LTE support on AT&T and T-Mobile.
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Hi, T-mobile uses band 4 via 1700/2100. Also the 3G support. And tmobile HSPA must use 1700/2100 BOTH or it wont work which makes T-mobile 3g unavailable till 1900 is completed.
But perhaps when it says "AWS" maybe it means band 4 ? is that what your referring to? if so I stand corrected. Then again, LTE 4G is in so little places now.. lets not compute it -_-
Correct. Band 4 is AWS.
Anybody knows if i could use LTE in Spain with my Dev Edition
The One Developer Edition also includes support for 850/1900/2100 MHz HSPA and 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz 4G LTE connectivity
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Greetings Forum,
I've been scouring the forum for several days now, but I can't really seem to find the things I'm looking for.
Several threads display issues with the frequency bands not being compatible between US & EU standards, but this should only matter if one plans to use LTE (which I don't really care about. I'd happily trade that in for the 32GB extra storage and Developer goodies).
There are quite a few threads that make me worry about getting this phone, but one of the threads that scares me most is the following:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2386850
But all in all, I'm just wondering. I really can't be the only one wanting to buy a Developer Edition whilst living in Europe, can I ?
There must be loads of people who have already gone where I plan on going, and may or may not still be using it over here.
I'm not looking for a review about the phone, I know the specs etc... but I am -very- interested in knowing wether the Developer Edition can be adequately used inside the EU.
I know it's not meant to be used over here, since they only ship to US addresses, but that doesn't mean we can't get our hands on one.
Initially I was planning on keeping it stock & unrooted, but I'm willing to try and change the phone when and if possible.
But before I do, can someone who's using the HTC One Developer Edition outside the US (I'll post my cellular frequencies below) can use it without too much hassle ?
Or does it really have very nasty thorns and pitfalls around every corner ?
If I get me one for use in these frequencies, will I be able to use the GSM & 3G (HSPA) networks together, like it should work ?
I don't want to be forced to switch between 2G & 3G every time I want to make a phone call or use the data connection. That would be a real pain and probably force me to buy a casual 32GB EU model (to my great disappointment).
I'm currently using a HTC Sensation XE (EU model) and I would very much like to buy an UPgrade . My current phone switches between all manner of data connections as I traverse various transmitters while driving, but I never loose access to the phone functionalities of the, well, phone!
I may have a slight misconception there as well though, since I'm not sure if you HAVE to have access to the GSM/GPRS/EDGE network in order to make phone calls.
Or can you call just as easily when all you have is HSPA ?
I always figured your phone would always use the standard 2G network to make phone calls, since the frequency band is lower (= longer wave length = more coverage), the amount of data transferred minimal, so the overall connection should be better.
But I could be wrong, never quite did delve deep enough into that subject...
Anyways... back to the main topic!
My local (Belgium) frequencies as shown by Wikipediaare as follows:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 900 / 1800 MHz
3G/HSPA: 2100 MHz
LTE: Not available from my provider (1 of them does, but I despise extortionists ).
Sorry for the rant. I do hope some of us non-US people could shed some insight about this phone and it's workings in their location.
I thank you all in advance!
Kind regards,
Ghost.
Additional questions
Hmmm I also have 2 more in-depth questions:
1. 3G Phone calls ?
Can you make phone calls using the 3G network ?
I presume it's possible, but that the phone automatically switches to the lower band frequencies of the std GSM network for better network coverage ?
It would also require less power from the battery since the phone's transceiver output would be less, no ?
2. OTA Updates available ?
Would I have to change my CID in order to acquire OTA updates ?
I keep reading about people having to do this while switching between AT&T & Some other carrier, but since the Dev Edition is SIM unlocked, and I would just use "ye random carrier", would I have to do this as well to receive the OTA updates, or am I completely wrong about this?
Once again, thanks to the entire XDA pantheon and it's loyal knowledgeable followers !
Ghost.
Frequency band
Hello Gents!
Maybe you guys might be able to help me. I recently bought HTC One Dev Edition from the US. My question is very simple I live here in china
and i was not sure if the band frequency would let me use 3G here in china. is it possible and would it also work on UMTS 3G? If it does how do i change it to that band? I would appreciate ur help.
here is my phones Frequencies
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
Should work...
Wosebasa said:
Hello Gents!
Maybe you guys might be able to help me. I recently bought HTC One Dev Edition from the US. My question is very simple I live here in china
and i was not sure if the band frequency would let me use 3G here in china. is it possible and would it also work on UMTS 3G? If it does how do i change it to that band? I would appreciate ur help.
here is my phones Frequencies
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
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Hello,
China uses the following frequencies (as per wiki - see OP):
Country GSM 3G
China 900 2100
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GSM: 900 MHz
3G: 2100 MHz
So since the phone has both bands available, it "should" pose no problem.
Unfortunately, that would place you inside my own problem-zone and questions, if you wish to know if it'll work as it should.
The bands are there, but perhaps there are other things going on that I don't know about.
Kind regards,
Ghost.
EU Devs ?
Soooo no EU Dev Editions running around then ?
Pitty...
This is probably a stupid question but I'm gonna ask it anyway:
I live in Finland and been using Droid 4 with CM ROM for couple of months.
The LTE frequencies in Finland are 800, 1800 ja 2600 MHz so I cannot use Droid 4 with LTE.
Could it be possible to tweak the LTE frequencies of Droid 4 or is it set so that there's not possibility to tweak them with any kind of firmware/software?
Sensonic said:
This is probably a stupid question but I'm gonna ask it anyway:
I live in Finland and been using Droid 4 with CM ROM for couple of months.
The LTE frequencies in Finland are 800, 1800 ja 2600 MHz so I cannot use Droid 4 with LTE.
Could it be possible to tweak the LTE frequencies of Droid 4 or is it set so that there's not possibility to tweak them with any kind of firmware/software?
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Hi,
This is not possible unfortunately, as far as I know. The LTE connectivity is provided by a standalone baseband chip (Motorola Wrigley) and only the 700 MHz frequency is amplified. So I'm pretty sure there is no way making the other frequencies working,
nagim said:
Hi,
This is not possible unfortunately, as far as I know. The LTE connectivity is provided by a standalone baseband chip (Motorola Wrigley) and only the 700 MHz frequency is amplified. So I'm pretty sure there is no way making the other frequencies working,
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OK, thanks a lot! :good: