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Goodbye Nooky, Hello Nexus 7

Wow this has been a great run with everyone in the nook community.
I have been with xda for sometime and seen a few theads and devices in my days. Lol. Out of all of them though the nook has had the best community. Great devs and some great nabs as well. Going for the plunge and getting a 16gb N7. Seems like the best bang for the Buck and has some great hardware in it. (ASUS) not Samsung lol. Mirage for the nook really is the greatest rom so far for the nook. I am going to keep the nooky for the wife to use. Thanks again everyone.
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Hope you enjoy your N7. I'm loving mine, but you never really leave the Nook community. I'm sure you'll be browsing to see what is new.

I also made the move to a Nexus 7. The Nook will be hanging around a while for the kids and as a play/dev device for myself. I will miss the Nook community as well. I plan to leave the N7 stock for as long as I can manage it.

I'm posting this from my N7, but I just can't bring myself to part with my NC. It's been my constant companion for almost 2 years. I even purchased a murse (man purse) to carry it.
It has been ballgames, several graduations, jury duty and even to church!!!

N7 am gonna hav it soooon:thumbup:
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So I think I might be going with the Asus Transformer TF700T. Although the price of the N7 is wounderful I want that microsd slot and hdmi..... Desitions
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Plus I do need to get a new laptop that has really good batterylife. My xps17 gets 2 and a half hours MAX. And the transformer gets 10 to 15 hours. Hey guys how long does the ñ7 last? And does anyone here have one of the cases that has a Keyboard? Wondering cause I would like to know how it handles with typing. I do about 65- 90 wpm depending if I am checking spelling. Lol
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halrulez said:
Plus I do need to get a new laptop that has really good batterylife. My xps17 gets 2 and a half hours MAX. And the transformer gets 10 to 15 hours. Hey guys how long does the ñ7 last? And does anyone here have one of the cases that has a Keyboard? Wondering cause I would like to know how it handles with typing. I do about 65- 90 wpm depending if I am checking spelling. Lol
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10-15 hours? With brightness as low as it can go and wireless + BT off, and not doing anything heavy?
I be never really kept track, but I can probably get 7-8 with normal use.
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biohazrd51 said:
10-15 hours? With brightness as low as it can go and wireless + BT off, and not doing anything heavy?
I be never really kept track, but I can probably get 7-8 with normal use.
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That would still be great for school. If I am spending more time then 8 hours at school, better be getting my phd. Lol
I love the hdmi out part too. Hook it up to my tv with my drive of movies through the usb port on the dock and I am totally set. I was thinking of getting a mini pc for that but this kills 2 birds with 1 stone.
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halrulez said:
That would still be great for school. If I am spending more time then 8 hours at school, better be getting my phd. Lol
I love the hdmi out part too. Hook it up to my tv with my drive of movies through the usb port on the dock and I am totally set. I was thinking of getting a mini pc for that but this kills 2 birds with 1 stone.
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I picked up a Revue when Logitech dropped the price and just stream all that over the network. Nexus 7 + streamer box > tablet with HDMI IMHO.
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Got the N7 recently, but frankly I'm still using my NC. It has proven itself to be quite rugged whereas the N7 is a bit on the flimsy side. As proof - my 6-year-old has been using a NC for the past 6 months, and it's still good as new after rough treatment. Plus I love how I can just swap the SD out and I have a whole different device. I have 4 or 5 "personalities" on as many cards. That's somehing the N7 cannot do.

I keep waiting for the Memo370T, but I guess it will never show.
Anyway, I might getting the N7 soon.

TheValk said:
I also made the move to a Nexus 7. The Nook will be hanging around a while for the kids and as a play/dev device for myself. I will miss the Nook community as well. I plan to leave the N7 stock for as long as I can manage it.
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I have had my N7 for about a month and it is still stock. New record for me! I did unlock it and root it right away. I guess that goes without saying. :silly:
I love my N7 but I wish I had not sold my NC a long time ago. The NC was so great that I thought a bigger tablet would be good so I got an Acer A500 which I didn't like so I bought a Nook Tablet which was also a bad idea. I think I am back on track with the N7, even if it is boring because it just works properly and I can't get inspired to put a ROM on it. I have been thinking about picking up a NC for cheap just to mess with and let the kids use for Netflix.

I'm going for the Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 Student Edition Bundle. Better build quality and features and includes a keyboard and dock for $249. Oh yeah, 2 cameras and a micro-sd slot. Yummmmmm

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I'm going for the Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 Student Edition Bundle. Better build quality and features and includes a keyboard and dock for $249. Oh yeah, 2 cameras and a micro-sd slot. Yummmmmm
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I am actually on my way after dinner to go to bestbuy and take a look at that galaxy tab2 bundle. But I might be going with an Asus i3 that has dvd burner hdmi and usb 3.0 and 6 hour battery life for only $300
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Have you guys read all the various horror stories of N7 hardware issues?
It seems that Asus has quality control problems.
I am definitely holding on to my 2 CM7 Nookies. Just wish they had a microphone for Skype.
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I actually did hold off myself. I was going to get a tf300 or a 700 but the build quality was really bad. The wifey went and opened a closed one and the plastic on the keyboard popped apart from itself. The 700 screen was kind messed up. Glass wasn't flush on either of them. Then was reading a bunch of horror stories on the n7. I am going to put things on hold. Was able to pick a i3 Sony vaio for school for only $150 and got a wicked steamer. New Samsung blu-ray player that will steam videos from my server and it plays all my digital movies and seems every type so far from avi, mkv, mov, wmv. Plus I can use my nook as the remote.
I still want a quad core tablet though. They are super smooth. Just want one that is going to have a great material build quality.
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We need a nook quad core. Would love it with a tetra 3 though.
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DigitalMD said:
I'm going for the Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 Student Edition Bundle. Better build quality and features and includes a keyboard and dock for $249. Oh yeah, 2 cameras and a micro-sd slot. Yummmmmm
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I've long since stopped using my nook (tho im still excited for cm10), I'm saving up and going for the tf700, it has a much better build quality and experience than the student tab, plus tegra 3 and micro hdmi!
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halrulez said:
We need a nook quad core. Would love it with a tetra 3 though.
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Wouldn't be surprised if the Tablet #3 with its rumored "revolutionary display" is 1280x800 quad core ... I don't think they'd stick with a dual core if they up the display resolution, since that would make the T#3 perform slower than the current generation. And that would differentiate it with the existing NT8G and NT16G, after they phase out the Nook Color and the current generation of Nook Tablets take up the $150-$170 price point underneath the new device.
OTOH, depending on what is different about the "revolutionary new display", it might be 1024x600 to keep the cost down while the new technology ramps up production.

Want advice.... upgrade to which tablet? Nexus 7? Galaxy Tab2?

I am selling my T-mobile Galaxy Tab (the original) to a coworker.
The original plan was to buy a Nexus 7, but after reading about it I learned that it:
1. Doesn't have a rear camera
2. Doesn't have TV-out
3. Doesn't hardware decode DivX/mkv
So now I am torn between the Galaxy Tab 2 7" and the Nexus 7.
My problems with the Galaxy Tab 2 7" are:
1. It doesn't have as nice a resolution/screen
2. Proprietary connector
The TV out is what really bugs me....but I am not sure if Tab to Tab 2 is a big enough jump
Anyone have any advice?

nook color :laugh:

After spending far too much on far too man devices;
Tab7
Nexus7
Nexus1
Transformer
Note II
Nook Color
Nook Simple
HPTouchpad
The most useful I've found is STILL the original Tab7 once CM10 put on it (well Humberos's rom to make it TabletUI).
Ok, the newer games aren't available, but for day to day actual using it, the apps/flexibility/sd-card storage/camera, it's been hard to beat.
Perhaps the Nexus7 for tablet/gaming, and a reasonable phone that'll let you bluetooth tether? One with a decent camera in?

If tv out and a rear camera are crucial to you, then get the Tab.
But performance wise the N7 is leaps ahead, the Tegra processor is gritty like a Corvette
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The New Nexus 7 or Nexus 10

I too was torn between getting the nexus 7 or galaxy tab 2 I ended up going with the nexus and have no regrets.this thing is awesome. Screen is amazing, the ability to use it as a phone,I text and call my using my nexus all the time.plus with usb otg, storage is not an issue. My g2x has the ability to hdmi out to the tv so watching content via android device to tv is not an issue for me. And it's freaking fast!!
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The Nexus 7 might lack a couple of things but do remember that it comes at a great price and it's hardware is pretty awesome! I'd take a Nexus 7 anyday! Direct updates from Google and runs any game and app you want it to? Phew! Yes please xD

After 3 days I gave my brand new Nexus 7 to the girlfriend and went back to my SGT7.
Thanks to XDA and Stimpz0r, I just don't need new hardware.
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I was facing a similar dilemma when deciding on a 7" replacement for my trusty SGT7. To cut the long story short, my eventual decision was the iPad mini. Before you guys commence the flaming, allow me to list down my considerations.
1) Rear Camera
I work in an environment that prohibits camera phones. As such, my primary device (phone) is not equipped with any cameras and it is therefore important for me that my secondary device (tablet) comes with a decent camera, since it would be my only camera on the go. Of the current crop of 7 inchers, the Nexus 7, Nooks and Kindles all fail to hit this mark. The Galaxy Tab 2 has a reasonably decent rear camera so that stayed in contention. As for the iPad mini, its rear camera is probably the best of the lot and that factored heavily in my consideration.
2) Official Software Updates
Frankly, I'm still rather miffed with Samsung's poor software updates for the SGT7. Cutting official major software updates for a one year old device does not inspire much confidence in their subsequent products. Apple, on the other hand, continue to offer major software updates for their products in the 2nd and even 3rd year of their lifecycle (case in point: the iPad 2 and iPhone 3GS). The Nexus 7 would have been my go to device on the Android platform, since I'm confident that Google will continue to support the device for years to come, but alas, it doesn't meet my requirement for rear camera.
3) Proprietary Connectors
Both Samsung and Apple have their own proprietary connectors. However, only Samsung's connector is a constant source of frustration for me. I cannot fathom why the SGT7 does not charge with generic usb chargers, without a 3rd party adapter. I was on an overseas trip recently and it skipped my mind to bring along the adapter. As a result, I had no means to charge my SGT7 throughout the entire trip using the usb charger in the rented vehicle. The same usb charger could charge an iPad with no problems. Moreover, there are plenty of 3rd party products that support Apple's connector (e.g. radio docks, external power banks, etc) but I've not seen a single one that supports Samsung's.
Of course, the iPad mini's dated guts and last gen screen leaves it trailing the competition, but the smooth user experience and arsenal of tablet optimized apps still outweighs the negatives for me. Best of all, I could still hold on to the SGT7 for some Android love as long as it doesn't die on me.

Similar position here. Decided to go with the N7. I can live without the rear camera, and I will also get much better hardware overall compared with the Tab2. Seriously, I used the Tab in store and it lags so much. Neuxs 7 just flies.
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I ended up buying a 32GB Nexus 7. MX Player Pro is a decent substitute for all of the native playback options that the Galaxy Tab comes with.... but it is REALLY nice not having to lug around and keep track of my one data cable.
Also, i pushed 4.2 on there via adb sideload yesterday.

yup, yup.
i agree, the SGT7 its a all in one device, movies, tv out, apps + gaming in HD, calling, texting, social networking, skyping for free + video chatting, google internet, and the icing on the cake for me is once i got rid of tmobiles security page my device runs like a regulare phone, so all i pay is $30 a month (us) for unlimited 4g internet, unlimited texting, and 100mnts talk. So i just opened a skype account and pay $18 every 3 months for unlimited talk. So the galaxy tab 7 running cm10 is super fast for me on tmobiles 4g network. Its a no brainer.. lol.. hope this helps... my regards to all, especially all the great DEVS out there keeping our P1000 still ahead of the game ..!!!!!
kentfor said:
After 3 days I gave my brand new Nexus 7 to the girlfriend and went back to my SGT7.
Thanks to XDA and Stimpz0r, I just don't need new hardware.
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I would certainly go ahead and pick Nexus 7 because of the hardware and the price its the next gen with a low price tag. Yes I admit. The back camera might be an essential to some but not to all. And the galaxy tab 2 camera is not that "outstanding" either. You could save up and buy a dslr or something.
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FirzAzea said:
I would certainly go ahead and pick Nexus 7 because of the hardware and the price its the next gen with a low price tag. Yes I admit. The back camera might be an essential to some but not to all. And the galaxy tab 2 camera is not that "outstanding" either. You could save up and buy a dslr or something.
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If I had to choose, I would pick the N7 (that's what I already did). But my sons P100 has CM10 which makes it more directly comparable to the N7 and outside of 3D gaming, there isn't much of a difference speed wise.
Considering the N7 came out a while ago... I would assume they would be releasing another 7" tablet within a few months. The 7" tablet has been their most successful and they have the upper hand on Apple for a while. If Google can keep the lead and stay ahead of the ipad Mini, it'll constantly be a good success.
That said, if you can make due with the GTab a few more months, you'll likely see a new Google 7" tab with the faster S4 snapdragon and a higher resolution screen.
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Galaxy tab 7.7 all the way. P6800 has 3g GPS and SD card slot. Dual core 1.4GHz. Wonderful amoled 1280x800 screen.
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Galaxy Tab 2 7" and 10.1" can be bought for under £150 now. Its a steal. However, no 3G version though, if you could love without that.
Worth a sacrifice though, looking at the amazing price.
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Nexus 7 Alternative - Nabi 2

The Nabi 2 had tegra 3 with 12 core gpu
yes is built for kids but thats just software. as for durability it can be dropped from over 7 ft and not be damaged (youtube videos showing it)
pros
+very durable
+clocked at 1.3GHz stock
+2MP camera vs nexus 7 1.3MP
+microSD supports up to 32GB (possibly microSDXC 64GB but not confirmed)
+miniHDMI out
+does have root with fully working market and gapps
+bluetooth 3.0
+OTG compatible
+PRICE
cons
-no internal gps
-screen resolution 1024x600 but at 120dpi barely noticable
-no custom roms or kernel yet
-1.3lbs vs 0.75lbs of nexus 7
-battery life is about 6 hrs compared to nexus 7 rated 9.5
best buy keeps changing the price right now... was $129. Then earlier today changed to $169, now its $199. so it keeps moving around... i ordered 3 of them after i bought my first from walmart at 129 during black friday and rooted it and was very impressed with its performance.
i was so heartbent on getting a nexus 7 and was just waiting for 32GB to break $200 barrier but then this tablet popped up and now i forgot about the nexus 7
maybe cyber monday will bring good deals?
my video of it after root
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWXPzkvlj0I

Good luck getting timely updates with that, or any decent development at that. Most tablets have a very small or non existent scene except for the Asus Transformer and Nexus as far as I can tell.
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Good luck getting timely updates with that, or any decent development at that. Most tablets have a very small or non existent scene except for the Asus Transformer and Nexus as far as I can tell.
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If they keep putting this thing on sale for $130usd(Walmart Black Friday, Best Buy sale, Woot, etc) then there will be a lot of them out there. It's hands down the best value for a capable 7inch tablet.
Already have a custom recovery, root, so we will see how it goes from here, so far the kids and myself have been enjoying it quite a bit.

I purchased 2 of these for my kids and played with both of them for 2 hours a piece setting them up. They are pretty awesome. Plus they have hdmi out, micro sd slot , and I believe usb but I could be wrong on the last one. I now am looking at 7"tablets nexus 7 32gb now after playing with thier tablets. I would like a better screen and jellybean than what's on the nabi 2.
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440hsp said:
I purchased 2 of these for my kids and played with both of them for 2 hours a piece setting them up. They are pretty awesome. Plus they have hdmi out, micro sd slot , and I believe usb but I could be wrong on the last one. I now am looking at 7"tablets nexus 7 32gb now after playing with thier tablets. I would like a better screen and jellybean than what's on the nabi 2.
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You should definitely pick up the Nexus 7 tablet. Just remember to pick up a case to help keep it protected. I'm having a hard time putting my Nexus 7 down.
If your kids are young keep them away from the Nexus 7. They seem to be a little more fragile than other tablets.
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I think the main con there is never getting system updates.
Nexus ftw.

I don't understand this post. There are lots and lots of poorly supported Chinese 7 inch tablets for less money than the n7, and some of them are quite good, but what you don't get with any of them is a broad user community and google support. The n7 has one huge flaw (no msd card slot), but is otherwise a great tablet with a huge user community and regular google updates. You really can't compare it to the Chinese tablets.
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Received Nexus.......Selling this week. Nexus VS TAB 2 7 3G

I have been going around and around with these devices. I got the TAB 2 7 P3100 3G from the wife for Christmas after researching both. I could not make up my mind and Christmas was coming quickly so I asked her for the more expensive P3100 (LOL) and I already have a samsung device in the Note 2.
But was still very interested in the Nexus since I have been reading nothing but great things about it. Now this may not be a fair comparison because the TAB is a 3G device that is invisible to my carrier ATT. However I will put that aside and share my impressions after playing with the Nexus solely for the last day and a half.
When I initially put the TAB 2 next to my Note, my jaw dropped at the "washed out" colors on the TAB compared to the Note 2. This lit the Nexus fire and I had to get one now especially since I read and heard nothing but great things about the Nexus screen, When I saw a One day only sale at the Adorama Store on Ebay on New Years day for $229 shipped I jumped at it and ordered an accessories package on Ebay (which has yet to arrive). I immediately put the TAB on Ebay for a high "Buy It Now only price (in the "unlikely" event i would not like the Nexus 7) I am glad now no one bought it after playing with the Nexus over the past couple days.
Initially I loved the all black look of the Nexus with the screen off vs the framed TAB. (small meaningless detail) I also appreciated the slightly narrower form factor and feel of the back cover. The glass was perfect. No build issues here. Looked great although I am not the type who "wears" my phones and devices. I use them.
I immediately unlocked it, flashed a custom recovery and flashed ParanoidAndroid on it. Very nice. I played with it for a day or so. This afternoon I finally I put the TAB side by side with the Nexus and found the Nexus was faster but not all that much. Not enough to say "wow" Certainly not as much as I thought it would be.
What stopped me in my tracks and gave me major pause was when I put the same picture up on the Nexus I initially compared with my Note 2 and had all three side by side. The Note was still much better. No suprise there. But this time the TAB and Nexus were very much the same. The Nexus was not as I had expected. The colors were not nearly as saturated as the Note and in fact almost identical to the TAB on all screen brightness settings In fact I could not tell them apart from a color saturation standpoint. I could however appreciate the denser pixel count on the Nexus when zooming in especially. But Needless to say i expected a much much better screen color quality and much much closer to the Note 2 in color quality. The Note 2 screen is amazing I guess.
USB OTG worked great on both but I don't need it on the TAB with 70GB of usable storage. vs <30GB. I initially had issue with the 64GB card in the TAB which pushed me into the nexus as well early on. But that has been solved. That along with the 3G and phone abilities of the TAB leading me to decide the TAB was the better of the two to keep for my needs.
Initially I thought the choices of ROMs the Nexus development community offered would be a plus but I usually find one ROM and stick with it. I can always get the CM 10 and AKOP ROMS for the TAB along with the TW ROMs.
The front camera on the Nexus is not as good as the rear camera on the TAB although the difference was about as much as the front cameras between the TAB and Nexus. All of them are nothing special. (although I am old enough to remember when 3MB camera was a great addition to a phone!!)
The thing I did like about the Nexus is the USB port but I have loaded up with Samsung "proprietary" USB Cables
and OTG accessories.
All that said the TAN IS A 3g devices and a phone. IF The TAB were the US non 3G model the decision would be much harder. But I would likely lean in its direction because I am used to Samsungs recovery and download modes (although Fastboot took all of 30 seconds to figure out) I expected a whole lot more from the color density and the screen on the Nexus, At the end of the day the additional storage along with the camera possibilities won me over. I am not a gamer so the quad core would likely not be a factor although I did run Need for Speed on the TAb to test it initially and it ran fine.
This is not a knock on the Nexus. It is a great device and for the money the best on paper. but for me anyway the difference were not enough to give up the advantages of the extra storage and free phone and 3G capability, which I could have done anyway using the Note as a hot spot with the Nexus,

Of course the colors will be washed out in comparison... Nothing beats super amoled
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Of course the colors will be washed out in comparison... Nothing beats super amoled
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Quoted cause its the truth.

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Of course the colors will be washed out in comparison... Nothing beats super amoled
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Yeah I really didn't pay much attention to the screen specs. I assumed the Nexus would be much better than the TAB likely because of the Pixel density if nothing else. I think if Google/Asus would have put ExtSD capability, headset microphone, and maybe even a better front camera, I would keep the Nexus for the form factor alone.
Once all the 360 case and the rest of the Nexus candy gets here I will throw it all up on Ebay. Thankfully there are AKOP ROMS available for the Samsung.

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Yeah I really didn't pay much attention to the screen specs. I assumed the Nexus would be much better than the TAB likely because of the Pixel density if nothing else. I think if Google/Asus would have put ExtSD capability, headset microphone, and maybe even a better front camera, I would keep the Nexus for the form factor alone.
Once all the 360 case and the rest of the Nexus candy gets here I will throw it all up on Ebay. Thankfully there are AKOP ROMS available for the Samsung.
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Just be lucky you weren't like me.
Bought the Acer iconia a110, was cheap and had similar specs to n7 with hdmi out and sdcard slot.
Played with it for a bit....turned out it wasn't for me. Screen looked terrible, it weighed quite abit more than my 7, brought it back (was an 8gb model) to find the nexus 7 calling my name. I bought the 32gb model with no regrets, great device for the price in my opinion.
Edit : I always see people are complaining about the n7 not having a back camera, seriously a tablet is no device meant for mad photography. Get a nikkon or some **** lol. Front camera is 'OK' Good enough for my Skype calls with my lady :thumbup:
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I wouldn't have minded a back camera on the N7 for Skype. My wife travels a lot and when we Skype I use my phone so I can flip back and forth on the cameras so she can see our baby playing and generally being cute. I could also imagine in the business world it would be useful to show clients whatever in a video conference call. Even if it was a cheap 2.0 megapixel camera, that would have been fine.
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I think the N7 is a great tablet, one of the best and considered the best by some users. You can run almost any app/game without any lag and if you overclock the cpu, it will be even more powerful. First, I wanted to buy a more expensive device, but I looked over N7's performance and price and this was my final choice. I don't regret it!

Lol I hope you are okay with waiting forever for a new update and having your device stop being updated after about a year. Sorry but its just the cold hard truth. We will keep getting updates as son as they are released for quite a while but Samsung has quite a reputation for slacking on updates and dropping devices soon after release.
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Nice review, but you left out one of the most important aspects of any comparison: price. You make it sound like the Tab and the N7 are on equal footing in almost all aspects, but when one costs almost twice what the other costs and you leave that fact out, you are doing a disservice to the readers. On that basis, this is not a fair comparison. I bought the N7 over the Tab 2 because I didn't want or need 3G and I didn't want or need to spend close to $500 for what I wanted a tablet for. When I compared all the specs and credible reviews, the N7 was perfect for my needs and budget. It has not disappointed.

The p3100 runs on your att, which is great. Swap Sims and you're good to go. Since this is the GSM you have a lot more Dev support than the CDMA variant. AOKP is there as well as CM. They have it oc to 1.4 as well. If this suits your needs then run with it, more power to you. I like to stay on the newest builds, that's why I chose what I did. After having many phones by HTC and Samsung and constantly having to choose what I can live without (newest build, working camera, reboots, etc.) I bought a galaxy nexus so I don't constantly wait on manufacturer and carrier hold ups (like my note skyrocket evo, evo 3D) and I am happy. Which is why I went with the nexus 7. When I first saw the HTC jetstream and Samsung note 10.1 I had the itch to buy them. Luckily I didn't, the jetstream is and will forever be on honeycomb and there hasn't been any major Dev work for a year. If you don't need to have the latest and greatest as soon as you can get your paws on it then go with the tab, I would have huge regrets if I chose the one that may not get the next release.
Anyways that's my 2¢ either way you can't go wrong if that is what suits your needs in a 7".
On a side note, you can always eBay your note and tab and get the 3g note 10.1 just food for thought
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QUOTE=AFAinHD;36401781]Lol I hope you are okay with waiting forever for a new update and having your device stop being updated after about a year. Sorry but its just the cold hard truth. We will keep getting updates as son as they are released for quite a while but Samsung has quite a reputation for slacking on updates and dropping devices soon after release.
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You can't be serious. There are nightlies available for the Galaxy Tab as well from CyanogenMod and Milestone. I have never had a device where I'd depended on the manufacturer for updates. Always went with developers. And sometimes the updates are not all that good I would never downloaded the OTA 4.2 update on my Nexus 7 after running it on the tab in having all kinds of Bluetooth issues. The first thing it wanted to do when I fired it up was download that update. I did not selective it. I'll let the new user decide.
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Miami_Son said:
Nice review, but you left out one of the most important aspects of any comparison: price. You make it sound like the Tab and the N7 are on equal footing in almost all aspects, but when one costs almost twice what the other costs and you leave that fact out, you are doing a disservice to the readers. On that basis, this is not a fair comparison. I bought the N7 over the Tab 2 because I didn't want or need 3G and I didn't want or need to spend close to $500 for what I wanted a tablet for. When I compared all the specs and credible reviews, the N7 was perfect for my needs and budget. It has not disappointed.
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I completely agree and I mentioned that but on the face of it the Galaxy Tab 7 without 3g would still be a better choice for me for the reasons I indicated. But I only spent $350 dollars for the Tab 3G. Nowhere near $500. I read a lot of reviews and read this area of X DA, for a long time and decided I needed to have them both in front of me to make a decision. Which took about 2 days.
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The p3100 runs on your att, which is great. Swap Sims and you're good to go. Since this is the GSM you have a lot more Dev support than the CDMA variant. AOKP is there as well as CM. They have it oc to 1.4 as well. If this suits your needs then run with it, more power to you. I like to stay on the newest builds, that's why I chose what I did. After having many phones by HTC and Samsung and constantly having to choose what I can live without (newest build, working camera, reboots, etc.) I bought a galaxy nexus so I don't constantly wait on manufacturer and carrier hold ups (like my note skyrocket evo, evo 3D) and I am happy. Which is why I went with the nexus 7. When I first saw the HTC jetstream and Samsung note 10.1 I had the itch to buy them. Luckily I didn't, the jetstream is and will forever be on honeycomb and there hasn't been any major Dev work for a year. If you don't need to have the latest and greatest as soon as you can get your paws on it then go with the tab, I would have huge regrets if I chose the one that may not get the next release.
Anyways that's my 2¢ either way you can't go wrong if that is what suits your needs in a 7".
On a side note, you can always eBay your note and tab and get the 3g note 10.1 just food for thought
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Oh I thought about that Note, 3G 10.1 but I don't want to carry around a tablet that big I bought one of those for my wife for Christmas as a musician she can use it for the playback tracks or sheet music and replace little Acer she's currently using or at least have a good Backup. I would love to see the Note come in a 6 inch phone version. I wouldn't need both the tablet and phone. In the meantime there's no way I would get rid of the Note 2.
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You can't be serious. There are nightlies available for the Galaxy Tab as well from CyanogenMod and Milestone. I have never had a device where I'd depended on the manufacturer for updates. Always went with developers. And sometimes the updates are not all that good I would never downloaded the OTA 4.2 update on my Nexus 7 after running it on the tab in having all kinds of Bluetooth issues. The first thing it wanted to do when I fired it up was download that update. I did not selective it. I'll let the new user decide.
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that's not what i'm saying. We own a flagship device. Not only do we get the updates instantly, google releases the updates on their website with source so developers can make roms with ease. Its a lot easier to make a ROM for the latest update when google has given you the newest update source code already optimized for your device on a silver platter.
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It sounds like you've already thought of all the different angles, and your mind's made up. Like I said fortunately it's not the CDMA version, my friend bought one and there really isn't any Dev love for that thing. Enjoy your tab 2!
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I used to have the galaxy tab 2 7.0. Had a kernel for it and everything. Unfortunately it was by far the slowest device i had ever used. Slower than my S2 single core HTC incredible and the graphics performance was pretty bad too. CM helped by fixing the graphics drivers and eliminating TW bloat, but it didnt help enough to make me happy with it.
But if you enjoy the Tab2 then go ahead and keep it and enjoy it. Don't let these N7 fanboys phase you
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Metallice said:
I used to have the galaxy tab 2 7.0. Had a kernel for it and everything. Unfortunately it was by far the slowest device i had ever used. Slower than my S2 single core HTC incredible and the graphics performance was pretty bad too. CM helped by fixing the graphics drivers and eliminating TW bloat, but it didnt help enough to make me happy with it.
But if you enjoy the Tab2 then go ahead and keep it and enjoy it. Don't let these N7 fanboys phase you
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I'm a google fanboy, being a fanboy of the nexus is just a side effect. Get it right.
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AFAinHD said:
I'm a google fanboy, being a fanboy of the nexus is just a side effect. Get it right.
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A true Google fanboy is a nexus fanboy.
And a true nexus fanboy is a nexus 7 fanboy
And vice-versa.
So one implies the other assuming "true" fanboyism.
Checkmate.

Metallice said:
A true Google fanboy is a nexus fanboy.
And a true nexus fanboy is a nexus 7 fanboy
And vice-versa.
So one implies the other assuming "true" fanboyism.
Checkmate.
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Just because your a nexus 7 fanboy doesn't mean you are a google fanboy. U can like the tablet and not google.
I win
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AFAinHD said:
Just because your a nexus 7 fanboy doesn't mean you are a google fanboy. U can like the tablet and not google.
I win
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Wouldn't that make you an Asus fanboy
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HP Slate7 - Nexus 7 competitor?

Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.

Eh low resolution screen is kinda a deal breaker, anything lower than 720p is a pain to use.
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ED2O9 said:
Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.
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That link doesn't have the most detailed info. I found; http://www.gsmarena.com/hp_slate_7-5317.php
Honestly disappointing screen kills it right there. The cam is better, but really I don't think 3.5mp means anything compared to a 1.2 both were good10 years ago.

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Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.
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I think the slate looks good and is more of an alternative or maybe a compromise between some of the very cheap tablets and the nexus 7.
For me the smaller battery would be the killer. HP quote 2AH where as the N7 has a 4.3AH battery with 3 hours more use available. A four hour flight to Lanzarote would be marginal with the Slate by the time you take time at the airport into account, it will be used to keep my 2 year old entertained.
The expandable storage isn't an issue for me as I have the 32GB version. Not interested in holding a tablet up to take picture, I have a phone and a camera for that. HDMI; had that on my Nokia N8 and used it once to try it, I have used dlna to stream to the telly though.
To me it looks like someone at HP has bought a N7, looks at the pros (cheap, light,size) and cons (fixed storage, no back camera) and used it as a starting point and tried to beat it. Good luck to them but I think it will suit a slightly different market to the N7.

ED2O9 said:
Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.
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It looks good... but I think you're probably right about it being too late to the game. If HP can market/advertise this as aggressively as Google has with the N7, then it might stand a chance. Google are repostioning themselves as 'content providers' - music, books, magazines - and the 'cheap-as-chips' N7 is a loss leading gateway, somewhat similar to Amazons Kindle.
Hewlett Packard are a tech company first and foremost, and don't have a similar repository of IP content that they can push to make this 'slate' a compelling purchase. In this digital age, people buy their tech based on what they can watch, read or listen to.
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Still, having said all that... it's an intriguing device... I like the microSD card slot (something sorely lacking on the N7).
If it has an easily unlockable bootloader (I don't know what HP's track record is on that), then I might consider getting one.
Rgrds,
Ged.

No GPS either.
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I had it with HP a long time ago. Laptops dropping dead all over the place for no apparent or discoverable reason. And then tech support being worse that shoving a cactus in my rear end. So no. HP is just. No.
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Screen aucks no GPS thick and ugly silver plus HP logo on there automatically kills it. The HP brand is no longer a symbol of cutting edge got to have technology. It is a symbol of a relic technology company that is holding on to its last strong hold which is server technology and enterprise.

I think it's a good timing. with N7 2.0 coming soon, ppl will consider this one as a cheap alternative to the N7 2.0 instead of the old N7.

rather be a Guinea pig and get more regular updates than to be stuck with something that will 99% of the time will never see the latest is update. plus don't have to worry about all the bloat that other companies seem to love to fill phones/tablets up with. Google has also shown even with older nexus devices they have been kept updated to atleast ICS where as other devices you could forget about it. I am sure when keylime pie comes out the nexus 7/10 will see it. how many tablets the same age or newer will see that?
like the genie off Aladdin said often imitated but never duplicated.
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I don't feel the HP Slate is anywhere near a competitor for the N7.

HP Slate 7 Android Tablet Review
Uhhh.. The Slate 7 is a stinker.
This is a quick unboxing and review of HP's latest attempt at an Android tablet.
I can't say a whole lot of good things about this tablet. I was sorely disappointed in the overall build quality. The screen was almost rubbery to the touch and it appeared to be warped and separated on the edges. The screen was odd and had almost a glazed look to it. The back camera is decent, but the front camera is not even adequate for video conferencing, let alone the occasional "selfie". The specs are sub par for the price, in my opinion. I wouldn't spend more than $99 US for a tablet like this. I have seen off brand, generic tablets that are build better. I suppose the one saving grace is the stock Jelly Bean 4.1.1. For what you would spend on this tablet ($170 US), you should jump on a Nexus 7 or a Kindle Fire HD.
This thing is starting to make the HP Touchpad look like a great success.
These are my opinions, of course.

not a bad tablet but hp customer support is pretty crap. That and the fact that there laptops are gone really bad lately.

I think if they priced it at $99 you'd have a real alternative for people don't wanna spend $200 for a quality tab. But its only $30 less than the nexus 7, with considerably weaker specs. Who wouldn't just cough up the extra cash?
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It beats the nexus 7 in all benshmarks exept gl
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It's better to look at the Fonepad.
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I was considering getting one of these, but then all the specs fell below what the Nexus 7 had in store for me so I went with the Nexus.
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Doesn't even compete just look at the specs.
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yousef8824 said:
It beats the nexus 7 in all benshmarks exept gl
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Look at the wild benchmark differences on exact same devices!! Depends on a lot what you score. So benchmarks are basically meaningless. Anyone can sacrifice battery and smoothness to put up a good score!
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jimbobvfr400 said:
No GPS either.
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Got one today. It appears it does have a GPS. It pinned me right down to my house in Google Maps.
I will say this, it doesn't seem laggy at alll. The problem is that some apps (Instagram, SiriusXM, Foursquare, UPS Mobile, Jetblue, and others) are marked incompatible in the Play Store. Apps like Twitter, Facebook, Angry Birds Friends, etc. work fine.
I'm not sure what the delimiting factor is, but it may have something to do with the resolution and how the apps were built.