[Q] Not recognised in Odin - Samsung Galaxy Mini

Hello people,
I am trying to change the firmware of my galaxy mini. Installed correct drivers but it does not get recognised in Odin (v4.3 ofcourse).
Just to check it out, i run Odin v3.04 and a few others (i think 4.37 and 4.38) and it was recognised immediately!
What might the problem be?
P.S.
I know there are multiple threads asking for help with odin, i checked out too many of them but with no result.
Sorry for disturbing you!!

rafascy said:
Hello people,
I am trying to change the firmware of my galaxy mini. Installed correct drivers but it does not get recognised in Odin (v4.3 ofcourse).
Just to check it out, i run Odin v3.04 and a few others (i think 4.37 and 4.38) and it was recognised immediately!
What might the problem be?
P.S.
I know there are multiple threads asking for help with odin, i checked out too many of them but with no result.
Sorry for disturbing you!!
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Similar threads have been posted before, pls use search next time.
Well, to solve ur problem, try uninstalling Samsung USB driver and installing it again. To uninstall the driver, go to control panel>uninstall programs then scroll down to Samsung USB driver and uninstall it from there. If that doesn't work, try using a different port or cable?

tietganFTW said:
Similar threads have been posted before, pls use search next time.
Well, to solve ur problem, try uninstalling Samsung USB driver and installing it again. To uninstall the driver, go to control panel>uninstall programs then scroll down to Samsung USB driver and uninstall it from there. If that doesn't work, try using a different port or cable?
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I know that there are similar threads and I read them but didn't solve my problem, I told it in my previous post also.
I tried with 2 different (100% working) cables and 3 usb ports (100% working, I also used them to work on the Galaxy S3).
Uninstalled and reinstalled drivers many times. I tried installing through Kies, through the "Samsung USB Drivers" and through windows update. Nothing worked.
Let me tell you again that other versions of Odin (that can't help me work on the galaxy mini) recognise it. Maybe there is something wrong with Odin I use.
edit: take a look at this picture
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Anyone who can help people?

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Problem making pc to recognize phone.

Hello ppls.
I've read some similar threads about this problem, tried some solutions, didn't worked and they didin't really had my situation.
So lets begin. My phone isn't recognized by my computer of anysort. When i plug the device i get this error: Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43) .Tried solutions for the error with no succes.
I run Windows 7 64 bit,4gb Ram, Intel Quad Core 2,2 Ghz. I downloaded the drivers for the device from samsung, bummer when i manually try to update the drivers and set the path to where the drivers are it says The device is already up to date,even with online search.
What i've tried so far:
1. Tried in normal condition with KIES. Debugging off.
2. Debuggind on. Same
3. Different PC with windows 7 32 bits, same error, same solutions that don't work
4. Updating .Net framework
5. Installing a program that automaticly detects drivers. It didnt even see it.
6. Checking the cable for corrosion or anything else faulty. Cleaned it even.
7. Yelling are the stupid phone !!
Thank you.
rahbert said:
Hello ppls.
I've read some similar threads about this problem, tried some solutions, didn't worked and they didin't really had my situation.
So lets begin. My phone isn't recognized by my computer of anysort. When i plug the device i get this error: Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43) .Tried solutions for the error with no succes.
I run Windows 7 64 bit,4gb Ram, Intel Quad Core 2,2 Ghz. I downloaded the drivers for the device from samsung, bummer when i manually try to update the drivers and set the path to where the drivers are it says The device is already up to date,even with online search.
What i've tried so far:
1. Tried in normal condition with KIES. Debugging off.
2. Debuggind on. Same
3. Different PC with windows 7 32 bits, same error, same solutions that don't work
4. Updating .Net framework
5. Installing a program that automaticly detects drivers. It didnt even see it.
6. Checking the cable for corrosion or anything else faulty. Cleaned it even.
7. Yelling are the stupid phone !!
Thank you.
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Have you tried with a different USB cable?
No because i connected succesfully my friends galaxy fit with it, so the cable is not the problem.
thry manualy installing galaxy s drivers on pc?
Uninstall and reinstall the drivers.
Try different drivers.
Make sure you're using a Samsung wrong with the Samsung drivers.
Use a different PC.
Keep trying!
I gave up...I tried everything.Spent hours of searching forums and applying solution, nothing works... Tried On 3 different pc's. 1 with win 7 64bit, and the rest win 7 32 bit. I can't manually install the drivers either. Says there are already up to date when i set a location for the drivers to detect...I can't even use it as mass storage.
rahbert said:
I gave up...I tried everything.Spent hours of searching forums and applying solution, nothing works... Tried On 3 different pc's. 1 with win 7 64bit, and the rest win 7 32 bit. I can't manually install the drivers either. Says there are already up to date when i set a location for the drivers to detect...I can't even use it as mass storage.
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To try using different drivers you would need to uninstall the current driver.
And just to be sure, you didn't flash to CM7/MIUI recently, not realizing Samsung drivers won't recognize your phone anymore, right? Nexus S drivers for those ROMs.
Its on the original ROM i think. Recently bought it second hand, 1 year old.
I couldn't find different drivers...except 32 bit and 64bit, but they all are the same version. Maybe post a link or something. Mine are 1.4.4.
Firmware version: 2.3.3
Baseband version i9000XXJVO
Kernel Version: 2.6.35.7-i9000xwjvh - CL184813 [email protected] #Dark_core_2.4 Mon May 16 15:02:38 EEST 2011
Build Number: DarkyRom JVH v10.1
SOLVED. The problem was from the ROM Darky 10.2. I went to a service did a resoft donno how they do it, installed me the original gingerbread 2.3.4 and now works like a charm!
rahbert said:
SOLVED. The problem was from the ROM Darky 10.2. I went to a service did a resoft donno how they do it, installed me the original gingerbread 2.3.4 and now works like a charm!
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Just for future reference, this site is filled with tutorials on how to do just that. In fact, that is what this site is all about—new ROMs, new ideas, and how to get them onto your device. Look around next time.
upichie said:
Just for future reference, this site is filled with tutorials on how to do just that. In fact, that is what this site is all about—new ROMs, new ideas, and how to get them onto your device. Look around next time.
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Dude i'm not the kinda of guy that doesn't research first. Like i mentioned i tried everything i found with no effect. The thing is, the problem reappeared after a day, with the new rom. Took it back to the service, said its a virus from some apps i installed...Is it possible? Thing is, it worked even after i restored all my apps.
I couldn't change the rom either because neither Odin or Heimdall saw my phone, if that is what you reffered to. If you know how to resoft a phone without the pc recognizing it (not even as a composite USB device in download mode or debugmode) and just Showing in Odin or Heimdall "Unknown Device" and failed at installing ClockworkMod, be my guest and redirect me to the tutorial, or tell me how to do it.
Thx
rahbert said:
Dude i'm not the kinda of guy that doesn't research first. Like i mentioned i tried everything i found with no effect. The thing is, the problem reappeared after a day, with the new rom. Took it back to the service, said its a virus from some apps i installed...Is it possible? Thing is, it worked even after i restored all my apps.
I couldn't change the rom either because neither Odin or Heimdall saw my phone, if that is what you reffered to. If you know how to resoft a phone without the pc recognizing it (not even as a composite USB device in download mode or debugmode) and just Showing in Odin or Heimdall "Unknown Device" and failed at installing ClockworkMod, be my guest and redirect me to the tutorial, or tell me how to do it.
Thx
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1347899
upichie said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1347899
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How can i use Mobile Odin if i can't root it?
Anyway the problem has been identified as the driver behind the usb slot of the phone, At least that what the guy at the service said...for the moment i'm waiting. I'll keep you posted.
rahbert said:
How can i use Mobile Odin if i can't root it?
Anyway the problem has been identified as the driver behind the usb slot of the phone, At least that what the guy at the service said...for the moment i'm waiting. I'll keep you posted.
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Throw it against the wall then. You ask us for help, disregard all of it, and then update us on what the service desk told you. If you will only listen to them, then don't ask us, kay? Appreciated.
Hi, there.
Actully, the rahbert's question is not bad. How can i use Mobile Odin if i can't root the device?
Or, how can I root without PC? Is it possible? I have exactly the same problem:
Nexus S (I9020), ICS 4.0.4(stock). When I plug the device: the error is reported(Code 43).
Should I try wipe data/factory reset? I really don't want to do this, because there is another good question: How can I fully backup my data(Titanium and so on) without root access? Can you suggest me something? Thanks.
Herman76 said:
Have you tried with a different USB cable?
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Changing the USB cable worked for me. Thanks!!

[Q] computer can't see Galaxy S

my samsung galaxy s is not recognized by my computer no matter what i do!
don't know why, i've done some research, no results.
i've installed Kies, which i assume already installs the drivers, but when i connect, the computer shows no sign of connection (it says that i need to update drivers in device manager??) i tried different USB ports, toggled USB debugging on/off, NOTHING WORKS
the reason i want my computer to recognize the galaxy is because i want to update it to android 2.3.5 via odin. but when i enter download mode, the computer doesn't recognize it. when i'm in the system, the computer STILL doesn't recognize it...???
please somebody help, it's rooted, running a different MIUI version (not the ones in xda dev section), i'm not sure where i got it from, but it's called an ENG_MIUI?
CM7 (and subsequently MIUI) is built from the Nexus S source code, so find the proprer drivers for it. "CM7 drivers" should be a sufficient google search. Also, Kies sometimes interferes while using the other drivers. If you run into any problems, uninstall Kies.
Okaham said:
my samsung galaxy s is not recognized by my computer no matter what i do!
don't know why, i've done some research, no results.
i've installed Kies, which i assume already installs the drivers, but when i connect, the computer shows no sign of connection (it says that i need to update drivers in device manager??) i tried different USB ports, toggled USB debugging on/off, NOTHING WORKS
the reason i want my computer to recognize the galaxy is because i want to update it to android 2.3.5 via odin. but when i enter download mode, the computer doesn't recognize it. when i'm in the system, the computer STILL doesn't recognize it...???
please somebody help, it's rooted, running a different MIUI version (not the ones in xda dev section), i'm not sure where i got it from, but it's called an ENG_MIUI?
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To get your phone recognized you need nexus s drivers. But that won't help you get it recognized by kies.
You need stock firmware on your phone to get it updated through kies.
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I have same problem previously. But it solved after I do this: while Kies open, select Tools then press Install driver.
thanks guys, but how would i go about doing that? the directions i found don't make any sense?
ndemin said:
I have same problem previously. But it solved after I do this: while Kies open, select Tools then press Install driver.
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Just to clarify, this won't help you. Samsung uses Samsung drivers. Since you do not currently have Samsung firmware on your phone, this won't do you any good. As previously stated by two very informative posters, you will need the Nexus S drivers to recognize your phone.
And, also as previously stated by just an absolutely wonderfully helpful poster, if you do a simple google search you'll find exactly what you need. Try either Nexus S Driver, CM7 Driver, Nexus S CM7 Driver, or really anything else similar. You could also check the CM7 Wiki, as I'm sure there would be a link for them there. And finally, if you simply search XDA Developers, I'm sure you'd find plenty of posts with what you need.
Hopefully that helps.
thanks
now my computer can see it when it's in android, but why does it STILL not see my Galaxy S in download mode???
do i need another set of drivers? (it said driver not found)
BTW THANKS GUYS!!! sorry if i'm being annoying
hello??
anybody??
Well did you install the Nexus S drivers yet?
upichie said:
Well did you install the Nexus S drivers yet?
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yes, the nexus s drivers are installed, but i STILL can't connect through download mode...
try different computer, install samsung driver then connect your phone
still doesn't work???
Well, it seems to be a driver issue!
Try these (32-bit windows) but make sure that you are having a fresh win7 installed just in any case that your reg got corrupted with drivers (Ime ).
Still not working,then try on another pc..!
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upichie said:
Just to clarify, this won't help you. Samsung uses Samsung drivers. Since you do not currently have Samsung firmware on your phone, this won't do you any good. As previously stated by two very informative posters, you will need the Nexus S drivers to recognize your phone.
And, also as previously stated by just an absolutely wonderfully helpful poster, if you do a simple google search you'll find exactly what you need. Try either Nexus S Driver, CM7 Driver, Nexus S CM7 Driver, or really anything else similar. You could also check the CM7 Wiki, as I'm sure there would be a link for them there. And finally, if you simply search XDA Developers, I'm sure you'd find plenty of posts with what you need.
Hopefully that helps.
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Well, CM7 drivers won't help SGS to get recognized on PC on DLD mode, you need another set of drivers and not those Nexus S's. I had the above ones installed on my PC (Google's your Best friend ) .
I had to install the drivers manually,
Right click on computer, click manage -> device something -> find your device in the list, select to update driver, search manually and enter the path to your android sdk and search.
Worked like a charm to me
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pzayx said:
I had to install the drivers manually,
Right click on computer, click manage -> device something -> find your device in the list, select to update driver, search manually and enter the path to your android sdk and search.
Worked like a charm to me
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App
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computer could see device in download mode?
hi
i had same problem, but computer recognize the device as "unknown device"
in all modes, developed, storage etc...
i am close to think thats is problem of internal usb driver of the rom
want to downgrade from de device, whitout usb, but i dont know how do it, because i am not root, and its no possible in 2.3.4 whituot usb.
thanks
I had a lot of similar issues with my I9000, too.
Tried everything on ROM and driver side also on different computers.
Finally it turned out that my Micro USB connector was corroded.
I have around 30 people in our company that have the same phone, and 5 of them had similar issues. I guess it's a common problem with this device.
I took a toothpick and cleaned the contact of the connector by sliding it up and down for a couple of million times. This also did the trick for my colleagues.
I think it's at least worth to try it.
Good luck
i try to clean the contact, but still cant connect to the computer.
I wonder if a method of degrading the system with a signed rom from the recovery, without using the USB cable or ODIN.
i have a same problem. Any new solution?
snbmf said:
i have a same problem. Any new solution?
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use this guide
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[Q]

Well, my problem is that my phone won't recognize any computer as a computer, but only as a source for battery charging. when i plug it into a computer the battery starts charging but i don't get the USB sign.
the thing is that it used to work. i usually just pluged the phone in and it would work, and suddenly out of the blue it stopped working and i have no idea why. i've done nothing on the computer between the last time it worked and the time it stopped working, i wasn't even using the computer during that time, so it must be something on the phone settings, but i checked it a little and found nothing that looks like the problem, but i rly don't understand much about it..
any ideas?
It sounds like a driver issue.
If you're using a Samsung firmware, reinstall the drivers. This can be done by finding them online, or by installing Kies. If you're using CM7/Miui, Samsung drivers won't work. You'll need to uninstall Kies (or kill the process to make sure it's not running in Task Manager) and then install the Nexus S drivers. Again, a simple search will provide the files you need.
If it's not a driver issue, I really don't know what it could be. But I would definitely try reinstalling the appropriate drivers first.
Go to Settings>Applications>Development and if USB debbugging is flagged,deflag it!
upichie said:
It sounds like a driver issue.
If you're using a Samsung firmware, reinstall the drivers. This can be done by finding them online, or by installing Kies. If you're using CM7/Miui, Samsung drivers won't work. You'll need to uninstall Kies (or kill the process to make sure it's not running in Task Manager) and then install the Nexus S drivers. Again, a simple search will provide the files you need.
If it's not a driver issue, I really don't know what it could be. But I would definitely try reinstalling the appropriate drivers first.
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I'm using a samsung firmware and i installed kies recently, though even after i installed it, the USB connection was still working for i while until it stopped.
should i reinstall the kies?
Nezys said:
Go to Settings>Applications>Development and if USB debbugging is flagged,deflag it!
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It was deflagged, but thanks anyway
abialystok said:
I'm using a samsung firmware and i installed kies recently, though even after i installed it, the USB connection was still working for i while until it stopped.
should i reinstall the kies?
It was deflagged, but thanks anyway
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Try with a different USB cable.
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Try to reinstall Kies or one of the steps that I've read here:
http://www.androidgalaxys.net/suite...problemi-connessione-collegamento-usb-galaxy/
Translated:
Make sure you have installed the latest version of Kies (currently 2.0.1).
For owners of Windows Vista / Seven Kies launch in admin mode
Connect your phone to your PC using the default launcher from Samsung (TouchWiz)​​. Alternative launcher may not be recognized by Kies. Close any programs in the background on your phone and PC.
Make sure that in Settings> Wireless and Networking> USB Settings is selected Samsung Kies or Ask the connection.
If you already selected, try to choose any item and then set one of the two mentioned.
Try using another USB port on PC. Not all USB ports may be able to deliver the power needed to power the device.
Restart both the phone and your PC.
Try reinstalling the drivers of the Galaxy. To do this open Kies, go to the Tools menu and then install drivers.
Try using another USB cable.
ok, I tried everything but switching cable coz i know it works...
here's the weird thing: I tried connecting my phone to 3 different computers, 1 worked and the other 2 (including mine) didn't work.
the thing is that the other computer that didn't work and the computer that did work never touched a Samsung before, so basicaly i have no idea what would make one of them work and the other not to work.
I'm really confused.
Try going into device manager and see if there are any devices flagged with '!'
If not, find your samsung device from device manager, and uninstall it and delete all drivers, then reinstall them.
Try that. It may just be a windows issue, I've had similar problems before but not even with a phone, but a flash drive.
well, tonight the computer restarted itself because of some updates, now it seems to magicaly work, even though i restarted it before.
i have no idea y it suddenly started working, but i can only hope it wouldn't happen again.
thank you all, you guys are great!

[Q] Two devices when i plug in one on ODIN! Help

I have a Samsung Galaxy 5830M. When I Plug it into the computer (with no other devices plugged in simultaneously) I see two devices appear in the port. I really need to fix this problem. I know its not normal because i have watched tons of videos and I have never seen this..Any Help will greatly be Appreciated ..
Click link to see photo of what happens.
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mFoster1 said:
I have a Samsung Galaxy 5830M. When I Plug it into the computer (with no other devices plugged in simultaneously) I see two devices appear in the port. I really need to fix this problem. I know its not normal because i have watched tons of videos and I have never seen this..Any Help will greatly be Appreciated ..
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Try uninstall all Samsung Drivers and install new one You can check here in XDA or install Kies (google it).
Try put out every divices in USB ports in Your PC and connect just Your S5830M, open Odin.
I think must Help You
Paul Koty said:
Try uninstall all Samsung Drivers and install new one You can check here in XDA or install Kies (google it).
Try put out every divices in USB ports in Your PC and connect just Your S5830M, open Odin.
I think must Help You
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Thanks, I'll try it.

Odin connection fails

I'm trying to flash CSB3_TMO to my unlocked Note9 (SM-N960U1). I'm currently on the latest unlocked firmware (ARL1). ​When I connect the phone (in Download mode), Odin announces "Added" and shows "ID:COM 0:[COM5]". But it either hangs forever on "SetupConnection..", or else soon errors with "Can't open the serial(COM) port" (see screenshot).
I'm using Odin3 v3.13.1_3B patched. I reinstalled the Samsung USB driver (1.5.65.0). I tried different cables and different USB ports (the connection works fine for SmartSwitch).
Any obvious mistakes here or other things to try?
I found other discussions that mentioned interference from Kies (I don't even have that installed on my PC), or difficulty with either USB2 or USB3 (I tried both kinds of port).
Any other suggestions?
Gary02468 said:
I found other discussions that mentioned interference from Kies (I don't even have that installed on my PC), or difficulty with either USB2 or USB3 (I tried both kinds of port).
Any other suggestions?
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HI i have Kies installed that shouldn’t cause an issue via Odin as i didn’t have any issues flashing via Odin!
Maybe you should install Kies as it will install the correct Samsung driver that is needed for the connection!
Once Kies is installed, launch it once, quit, restart and then try via Odin. Also your using the original USB C cable that came with the Note 9 ? As some cable do have issues!
N1NJATH3ORY said:
HI i have Kies installed that shouldn’t cause an issue via Odin as i didn’t have any issues flashing via Odin[.]
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It shouldn't, but some users have found that it does for them. When they uninstall Kies, the problems stop..
Maybe you should install Kies as it will install the correct Samsung driver that is needed for the connection[.]
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Thanks but as mentioned, I've already installed the latest Samsung USB driver.
Also you['re] using the original USB C cable that came with the Note 9 ? As some cable do have issues[.]
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Yes, the original Note9 cable is among those that I've tried. All cables, ports, and drivers that I've tried connect the Note9 properly when I use SmartSwitch or adb.
Gary02468 said:
It shouldn't, but some users have found that it does for them. When they uninstall Kies, the problems stop..
Thanks but as mentioned, I've already installed the latest Samsung USB driver.
Yes, the original Note9 cable is among those that I've tried. All cables, ports, and drivers that I've tried connect the Note9 properly when I use SmartSwitch or adb.
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What windows are you on ? Have you tried disabling the windows firewall ? And disable the antivirus as well ? Then try!
N1NJATH3ORY said:
What windows are you on ? Have you tried disabling the windows firewall ? And disable the antivirus as well ? Then try[.]
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Windows 10, all updates installed. Thanks, just tried those suggestions, but still the same.
Gary02468 said:
Windows 10, all updates installed. Thanks, just tried those suggestions, but still the same.
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Check out this thread it should fix your issue! https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1622790
N1NJATH3ORY said:
Check out this thread it should fix your issue[.] https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1622790
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Which part? I think I've already tried (and mentioned here) every reasonable suggestion in that thread.
Gary02468 said:
Which part? I think I've already tried (and mentioned here) every reasonable suggestion in that thread.
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Copy and pasted from thread i linked to!
"Go into Kies, Tools -> Preferences, unselect "Run Samsung Kies automatically when a device is connected", save the change, close out of Kies, and then restart ODIN 3. Try flashing now. "
Best thing i can suggest is uninstall Kies and the Samsung driver restart p.c then reinstall Kies do above! Quit Kies and make sure you also Ctrl, Alt, Delete, make sure Kies is not running in the background! Also download a fresh copy of Odin extract then launch! You are using 7zip to extract Odin aren’t you ?
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SmartSwitch Remove that!
N1NJATH3ORY said:
Best thing i can suggest is uninstall Kies and the Samsung driver restart p.c then reinstall Kies do above[.] Quit Kies and make sure you also Ctrl, Alt, Delete, make sure Kies is not running in the background[.] Also download a fresh copy of Odin extract then launch! You are using 7zip to extract Odin aren’t you ?
SmartSwitch Remove that[.]
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Thanks for the further suggestions.
Why would I want to remove SmartSwitch from either my phone or my PC?
No, I didn't use 7zip. I downloaded patched Odin from the xda link here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/how-to/stock-official-android-pie-odin-t3907156
and then I used the native Windows unzip to extract from the zip file.
As mentioned, I did not have Kies installed at all. Kies provides nothing relevant except the Samsung USB drivers, which as mentioned I installed and reinstalled after downloading directly from Samsung.
I got it to work. I think the relevant change was that instead of using the latest Samsung USB driver (1.5.65.0 from www.samsung.com/us/support/downloads), I installed 1.5.51.0 from developer.samsung.com. But I also switched to a different Windows 10 PC, so it's possible that some other difference was responsible.

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