Just wondering if anyone on here is one.
Im really interested in become one but idk if I should go to a 4yr college
or a tech school (itt,devry etc..)
any advice?
university
A good well rounded university education is best if possible. Some start out and get a junior 2 year degree but make certain it's a match with the 4 year school you plan to get your BS degree. often it can take 5, 6 and even more years to finish. They give you projects with deadlines in a week. Computer Science requires much self-education so prepare to learn most things on your own. Programmers from Bill Gates and so on have made fortunes with their own initiative and creative spirit which one develops through intensive study and a drive to be creative much as an artist has. Programming is both a science and an art form.
Tone-E said:
Just wondering if anyone on here is one.
Im really interested in become one but idk if I should go to a 4yr college
or a tech school (itt,devry etc..)
any advice?
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Just don't buy a learn to program in 24hrs book
If you are to take that path, start programming before you enter college. I already programmed in a VB-like IDE for mobile devices a few years before I entered college and it saved my life. Since I already knew the basic concepts, I made it with nice grades while everyone struggled to understand our teacher.
Visual Basic might not be the best way to start, so I recommend a simple curly brace language like PHP (web-based, very permissive). If you already know HTML, you will love it.
Oh, and NEVER, EVER copy and paste code you don't understand. Take the time to grasp every function you use in your program/website. If possible, start from scratch and use 100% original code. It's the right way to innovate and make mistakes to learn from.
All the best!
-Another programming n00b
anarchyuk said:
Just don't buy a learn to program in 24hrs book
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I've found "For Dummies" books to be a great place to start and would have loved to know about it a few years ago. Heck I might have been a senior C++ or assembly programmer by now (jk)!
Hi,
I have to admit that I would start with VB.NET and then learn C/C++ eventually. Should have you covered for most platforms.
**** college. You can only learn to code by coding and reading - better prepare to spend a nice bit of hay at Amazon's.
I have a few recommended books here:
http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/category/hardware-reviews/book-reviews/
http://tamsppc.tamoggemon.com/category/reviews/hardware-reviews/books/
and also on the other sites.
Hows the salary?
To learn "Computer Science" you need to study at a college.
To "Program" all you need is interest and a logical mind.
I recommend Starting with C or Java, and then specializing in a niche area where you can get a lot of jobs. (For Ex: Android)
The salary is quite good when it comes to programming jobs if you can get hired at a place where your competences are valued.
how long did it take you to become a programmer and how is the work experience.
I'm not. I'm studying and slowly start to get web dev jobs. Work happens all at once and it's thrilling!
o thats cool did u go to a 4yr college or tech school?
Just wondering how all you experienced developers on here started out. I know you have probably been asked many times before but I am genuinely interested.
I am by no means any sort of developer. I first came to this site about two years ago when I first learned of rooting. Prior to that I had no knowledge whatsoever of developing or programming.
However I cant keep off here. Is it something that can be self taught. I would really love to delve into this so that I can start to have a little input into what goes on here and even if its just testing at least I could maybe be of help to someone. I have picked up little bits on how things work but my main question is where would be a good place to start self teaching??? It is becoming somewhat of an interest for me.
Any pointers would be hugely appreciated.
Thanks
If it's apps your interested in then AdamOutler has recently done a great video/article combo which would get you started. Check the portal / youtube channel....
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I suppose anything really just to get a basic understanding to start with. I would love eventually to be able to create/modify custom roms ect, but yeah thanks for the pointer.
hammoliam said:
I suppose anything really just to get a basic understanding to start with. I would love eventually to be able to create/modify custom roms ect, but yeah thanks for the pointer.
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Well for roms, check if your device is supported by Dsixdas kitchen, if so that's a great place to start tinkering...
If you want to really start making changes to things though your going to need to learn to code to some extent...
Read and search, read and search...
Good luck
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If you want a great beginning developer environment, wp7 is the easiest and most user friendly one to dive into.
I taught myself python with old boxed up books from the back rooms of my high school library. Didn't have a computer and did all my work on notebook paper. My first language. So, yeah, you can teach yourself anything.
I'm reading this right now.
http://www.amazon.com/Communications-Electronic-Warfare-Adrian-Graham/dp/0470688718
Has tons of practical applications.
Might get a kick out of what I'm reading right now:
Communications, Radar and Electronic Warfare
Frontiers in Antennas: Next Generation Design and Engineering
Advances in Cryptology 2011
Digital Forensics with Open Source Tools
Philosophy and Simulation: The Emergence of Synthetic Reason
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I taught myself python with old boxed up books from the back rooms of my high school library. Didn't have a computer and did all my work on notebook paper. My first language. So, yeah, you can teach yourself anything.
I'm reading this right now.
http://www.amazon.com/Communications-Electronic-Warfare-Adrian-Graham/dp/0470688718
Has tons of practical applications.
Might get a kick out of what I'm reading right now:
Communications, Radar and Electronic Warfare
Frontiers in Antennas: Next Generation Design and Engineering
Advances in Cryptology 2011
Digital Forensics with Open Source Tools
Philosophy and Simulation: The Emergence of Synthetic Reason
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Well i'm done with the list and ready to take over local frequencies with my own propaganda. read, play good music on pirated radio
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Nowhere near an experienced developer, but with a couple of apps and a ROM WIP, the only thing that taught me was xda-tv
Learning to me is just when somebody puts a puzzle in front of you with no clues or guidelines. But you are surrounded by 50k people that you may ask questions (xda).
I just keep trying to solve the puzzle and if I really don't get something I just ask xda.
That's just how I learn. Its how I've always learn. Just dive into it and rip it apart. Think as logically as possible and listen to some cool dub step while doing so for extra learning points.
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At the moment i am enrolled as a Computer Science student, but i keep on thinking i should make the switch to computer Engineering.
Please feel free to delete this thread if it is not relevant or move it to where it should be, i am sorry i don't know where to post it.
Heres the deal, at the moment im about 7 trimesters from graduation, im getting to the good stuff! the fun programming classes, no more boring classes! I'm thinking about switching to engineering cause lets face it, engineers are cool and they get paid better.
I mean if you tell someone your a computer engineer its way hotter than saying you got a BA in computer science.
If i make the switch i will take longer to graduate.. about 40 credits more.. which is about 1 year and another trimester..
I love mobile, i love linux, windows and xda! Personally i think i should stay in computer science.. but engineering is calling my mind!
Heres a link to the university website where you can find the curriculum for both programs, help me find out if i should switch!
http://www.pupr.edu/department/ECECS/Programs.asp
Honestly if you've made it this far with CS then you should stick with it. Find a well-paying job (if you don't already have one) in CS. Once you have established yourself and your career, take classes for CE. You may find it boring and tedious but in the long run its worth it. Better to have two degrees instead of one right?
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I have two jobs one at a computer repair shop the other at wendys and ive managed to mantain a 3.5gpa. Ive applied for tons of internships and scholarships and havnt had any luck!
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When it comes down to interviews, your knowledge comes first. If you have gr8 skills a good manager is not gonna prefer some guy over u just because he is "engineer". If you are confident enuf about your coding skills then Engr or CS it's just a label.
I think you should go with engineering coz I m also in graduation course of computer engineering in India and I have also completed diploma course in same. To be honest its fun to code and playing with outputs but sometime its boring but salary wise its too good so I prefer engineering and its cool too
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Hey guys I've been flashing and rooting and unlocking for a couple years and I'd like to actually learn how to build roms, apps, ect. Where can I learn?
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I think the best place to start learning how to develop apps is the official android SDK with adt. but if building android is what you want then take any Linux distro and start reading about official aosp. information for both are publicly available from Google.
frog1982 said:
I think the best place to start learning how to develop apps is the official android SDK with adt. but if building android is what you want then take any Linux distro and start reading about official aosp. information for both are publicly available from Google.
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Linux is, like, mac or something right? I'm on Windows 7 so am I screwed?
Blackest Pain said:
Linux is, like, mac or something right? I'm on Windows 7 so am I screwed?
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Read this.
Good luck!
http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/dual-boot-windows-7-ubuntu.html
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Blackest Pain said:
Linux is, like, mac or something right? I'm on Windows 7 so am I screwed?
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buy a decent sized harddrive and install ubuntu or mint linux on it. then you can dual boot win7 and linux like me. Just start tooling around with the linux command line (terminal) and learning how to think like a geek lol. Then take someones rom, and take it all apart. look at what makes up a rom... the apps, libs, frameworks, etc. Setup a build environment on your linux box, download the official source code from google, and try compiling it until you can do so without errors. at that point, if you want to start actually deving, you need to know java, cuz that's what source code is in mostly. there are alot of source code modifications avaiable on xda, try merging one in with the source code and rebuilding it and see if it compiles... if not, it''ll tell you where the error is. just play around with it, practice, ask questions, but actually jumping in and just making your self do it is the best way
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buy a decent sized harddrive and install ubuntu or mint linux on it. then you can dual boot win7 and linux like me. Just start tooling around with the linux command line (terminal) and learning how to think like a geek lol. Then take someones rom, and take it all apart. look at what makes up a rom... the apps, libs, frameworks, etc. Setup a build environment on your linux box, download the official source code from google, and try compiling it until you can do so without errors. at that point, if you want to start actually deving, you need to know java, cuz that's what source code is in mostly. there are alot of source code modifications avaiable on xda, try merging one in with the source code and rebuilding it and see if it compiles... if not, it''ll tell you where the error is. just play around with it, practice, ask questions, but actually jumping in and just making your self do it is the best way
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Thanks What size hard drive do you recommend and what rom should I dismantle?
(I'd thank both of you but apparently there's a thanks limit I didn't know about...)
each aosp build is about 30 gigs and Linux takes almost no room no matter which distro you use so when it comes to the size of the HDD it is all about the balance of how often you want to clean and how much you want to spend.
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each aosp build is about 30 gigs and Linux takes almost no room no matter which distro you use so when it comes to the size of the HDD it is all about the balance of how often you want to clean and how much you want to spend.
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That. I'll add that, on my PC, Linux uses 20GB of space...but I also have two distros installed on the same partiton with one being a chrooted build environment.
Roms use around 20-30GB as is, another 15-20GB is used up when compiling, so you want to reserve 40-50GB PER ROM to be safe.
If you do buy a hard drive just for compiling roms, BUY A SSD...solid state drive. That and RAM will help you the most. I'd expect just a SSD alone would cut my current build times in half.
I'll tell ya that without any Linux experience at all that you're gonna be in for a nice fun time.
Now, if you just wanna write apps, LEARN JAVA. You can do app writing on Windows and test on an Android Emulator (or your phone for at matter). No Linux necessary for just writing apps.
That said, if you want to get into compiling roms, you've picked the right place because I will help you if your serious. If you ask me a SPECIFIC QUESTION I'll give a specific answer. Don't ask "How do I use git?" cause I might not reply very nicely. Ask me "How do I update the kernel with the Dev Teams latest updates and I'll give you step by step instructions. I'm about to have 3 different roms I'm gonna have to compile. So if you just wanna pick one of them that isn't PAC, feel free to be the compiler of it. So far I've had multiple offers for compilers and only @Youngunn2008 has stepped up and actually started doing it.
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//I started building custom roms about a year into using Android. Had to. Nobody else on my device could (or would?) and I wanted more roms, simple as that. All I did was CM7, PA, and a few others, but it got me to where I am now. Kanged from Quarx's repos. I owe much of my Android knowledge just from watching his commit history (and for keeping us up-to-date with proper drivers). A good Dev Base is a good place to start from, just remember to give proper credit and thanks (and ask permission if it isn't open souce -- that's a big one).
You guys are the best. I'm gonna start looking for the equipment asap. Although I need to learn how to write code, so I'm gonna go through Java.
@skeevydude I'll definitely hit you up when I need serious help
P.s. where do you recommend I learn Java from?
Thanks everyone!
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Blackest Pain said:
You guys are the best. I'm gonna start looking for the equipment asap. Although I need to learn how to write code, so I'm gonna go through Java.
@skeevydude I'll definitely hit you up when I need serious help
P.s. where do you recommend I learn Java from?
Thanks everyone!
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http://developer.android.com/training/index.html
frog1982 said:
http://developer.android.com/training/index.html
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I'd click Thanks but I've seemed to run out of them (seriously, 8 thanks a day? Really?), so thanks. I can't read script at all (It's like looking a spanish, knowing it's spanish, and not knowing what it says) but I'll try to stumble through this lol
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I'd click Thanks but I've seemed to run out of them (seriously, 8 thanks a day? Really?), so thanks. I can't read script at all (It's like looking a spanish, knowing it's spanish, and not knowing what it says) but I'll try to stumble through this lol
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my suggestion is to download the SDK and start following the my first app tutorial. I did not understand code at all until I did that and then things started falling into place and making sense.
Blackest Pain said:
You guys are the best. I'm gonna start looking for the equipment asap. Although I need to learn how to write code, so I'm gonna go through Java.
@skeevydude I'll definitely hit you up when I need serious help
P.s. where do you recommend I learn Java from?
Thanks everyone!
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Couldn't tell ya where to learn Java from -- I don't know it. I'm starting to learn it myself...meaning today....but it really depends on the weather on what I can for the rest of the day -- lost internet for most of yesterday during a thunderstom and since another one is rolling in I might have to shut my machines down. Also why I haven't been on a whole lot the past 2 days. After today its supposed to be clear skies ahead.
I've just been lucky cause even though I don't know Java, its still pretty human readable and easy to figure out what I need to do when I merge code.
For a bit of help Java=Apps, C++=Kernel/Hardware. Not necessarily 100% true, but for the most part it is.
If you wanna get into writing apps for making money then start with Java....the only reason why I'm starting with Java over C++. As much as I'd like to learn C++\Bionic to help with bug fixes for the kernel, hardware libraries, etc, I'm flat broke and can't find a decent job -- Java and a good idea could fix that. Combine my current situation with the fact that in 10-15 years I won't even be able to do my current line of work (construction is a young man's job) so I need to buckle down and learn a new trade that doesn't involve 8-12 hours work in the sun, crap pay, sore body at the end of every day, and no real job security or benefits.
If anyone reading the above is thinking that I'm thinking I could be the next App Millionaire...I'm not. I'd be happy just to break the poverty line (1-3 thousand a month or more than 18k a year)....cost of living isn't that high in Arkansas luckily. I'd hate to live in NYC\Random Big City where a crappy 1 room apartment's rent is a high as a high-end middle class home here.
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Couldn't tell ya where to learn Java from -- I don't know it. I'm starting to learn it myself...meaning today....but it really depends on the weather on what I can for the rest of the day -- lost internet for most of yesterday during a thunderstom and since another one is rolling in I might have to shut my machines down. Also why I haven't been on a whole lot the past 2 days. After today its supposed to be clear skies ahead.
I've just been lucky cause even though I don't know Java, its still pretty human readable and easy to figure out what I need to do when I merge code.
For a bit of help Java=Apps, C++=Kernel/Hardware. Not necessarily 100% true, but for the most part it is.
If you wanna get into writing apps for making money then start with Java....the only reason why I'm starting with Java over C++. As much as I'd like to learn C++\Bionic to help with bug fixes for the kernel, hardware libraries, etc, I'm flat broke and can't find a decent job -- Java and a good idea could fix that. Combine my current situation with the fact that in 10-15 years I won't even be able to do my current line of work (construction is a young man's job) so I need to buckle down and learn a new trade that doesn't involve 8-12 hours work in the sun, crap pay, sore body at the end of every day, and no real job security or benefits.
If anyone reading the above is thinking that I'm thinking I could be the next App Millionaire...I'm not. I'd be happy just to break the poverty line (1-3 thousand a month or more than 18k a year)....cost of living isn't that high in Arkansas luckily. I'd hate to live in NYC\Random Big City where a crappy 1 room apartment's rent is a high as a high-end middle class home here.
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I would also recommend Java. I'm in an internship developing an Android app for a local company and it's pretty straightforward. I'm not very good at building GUIs, but I can manage the flow of code fairly well and I'm learning as I go.
I didn't know you were in construction, Skeevy... With how skilled you seem in all of this I would have thought you'd be from some sort of tech trade.
I've been looking into ROM development myself but it seems a bit overwhelming to me. I have always been interested in how operating systems are put together and built, but the most complex thing I've ever done was patch together a Linux server box for gaming and hosting an old website I had a year or two back.
I have worked with Linux for quite a while and I now run Ubuntu as a primary, no dualboot. It kinda sucks to get used to the lack of applications but I would much rather have the stability and responsiveness of a Linux system. Plus documentation is everywhere so anything is usually fairly easy to fix/get working.
If you guys could post some websites/threads with some tutorials or further reading so I can know what I am getting myself into, that would be awesome. I have always hoped that one day I'd be able to help you guys out with getting bugs squashed and features added.
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I would also recommend Java. I'm in an internship developing an Android app for a local company and it's pretty straightforward. I'm not very good at building GUIs, but I can manage the flow of code fairly well and I'm learning as I go.
I didn't know you were in construction, Skeevy... With how skilled you seem in all of this I would have thought you'd be from some sort of tech trade.
I've been looking into ROM development myself but it seems a bit overwhelming to me. I have always been interested in how operating systems are put together and built, but the most complex thing I've ever done was patch together a Linux server box for gaming and hosting an old website I had a year or two back.
I have worked with Linux for quite a while and I now run Ubuntu as a primary, no dualboot. It kinda sucks to get used to the lack of applications but I would much rather have the stability and responsiveness of a Linux system. Plus documentation is everywhere so anything is usually fairly easy to fix/get working.
If you guys could post some websites/threads with some tutorials or further reading so I can know what I am getting myself into, that would be awesome. I have always hoped that one day I'd be able to help you guys out with getting bugs squashed and features added.
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GUI's are a pita to me as well...but then again, I'm barley mediocre at photoshop
I used to make good money doing what I do, and I liked doing it. I was doing custom wrought iron fences and gates -- the kind you see on high end lake houses and such. Since around September of '08 that line of work went from 30-50 hours a week to nothing....NOTHING. We've had maybe 6 jobs in the past 5 years nothing. Every job I've had since then has either gone under or I was let go because I was the new guy and they had too much costs in labor. Combine that with 2 years of 10 applications a week and not getting a single call back....almost applied and McD's a year ago. Asked how much I'd make and the manager said maybe 4 hours in a 7 day week for the first 6 months to a year....F THAT. Wouldn't have even covered the gas to work...no point in a job that you'd make -$15 for two weeks work....that's negative 15.
As far as my trade and tech are concerned -- I've always been naturally skilled at almost everything I've done. Not bragging, but that's always how things have been for me. My biggest weakness is I have crap social skills -- I have a bad tendency to see everything with pure logic and over analyze things, completely missing things like sarcasm and subtle hints. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out I had Asperger's.
Rom development and rom building (kanging) are two different things entirely. If you're already running Ubuntu (preferably 12.04) I could have you building a rom in no time at all.
Its nothing more following the official build setup guide (assloads of copy/paste )
making a directory for the rom
open a terminal to that directory
"repo init -u https://github.com/PAC-man/android.xml -b cm-10.1"
"repo sync"
". build-pac.sh mb886 -jX" where X is the number of cores your PC has
Do something else for a few hours
Check PC -- if the rom fully compiled then you've just kanged PAC-man
To update, go to rom's directory, "make clean", step 5, step 6.
Adding support for other roms is as simple as seeing what other devs\kangers did in the project's vendor directory as well as in the device/common-device directories. It really is simple once you've done it a few times -- first time or two can be a real b*tch.
My only real gripe with linux is some of the apps either just don't seem finished or are just good enough to do the job but look like crap. For me, other than gaming, I've been able to find a suitable replacement for all my common, everyday needs from emulation to video encoding to word processing.
As far as tutorials go....I just use Google, XDA search, and rootzwiki.com search...between the three I can pretty much find anything I need to know. Power searching is the unwritten requirement in all the tutorials I've ever read. Being able to scour the net for odd bits of information is a necessary skill to kang or dev roms.
//Lack of search skills is a reason some of us power users get upset and pissy around here...myself anyways...I can't tell ya how many help questions I've answered where I LITERALLY copy/pasted the error code in the help post to the google search box in Firefox and the FIRST LINK the fix....also why I don't answer the same question more than 2 or 3 times....search just our forums and you might find the answer. :whodathunkit: (// isn't at you, my mind likes to rant in the mornings )
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Couldn't tell ya where to learn Java from -- I don't know it. I'm starting to learn it myself...meaning today....but it really depends on the weather on what I can for the rest of the day -- lost internet for most of yesterday during a thunderstom and since another one is rolling in I might have to shut my machines down. Also why I haven't been on a whole lot the past 2 days. After today its supposed to be clear skies ahead.
I've just been lucky cause even though I don't know Java, its still pretty human readable and easy to figure out what I need to do when I merge code.
For a bit of help Java=Apps, C++=Kernel/Hardware. Not necessarily 100% true, but for the most part it is.
If you wanna get into writing apps for making money then start with Java....the only reason why I'm starting with Java over C++. As much as I'd like to learn C++\Bionic to help with bug fixes for the kernel, hardware libraries, etc, I'm flat broke and can't find a decent job -- Java and a good idea could fix that. Combine my current situation with the fact that in 10-15 years I won't even be able to do my current line of work (construction is a young man's job) so I need to buckle down and learn a new trade that doesn't involve 8-12 hours work in the sun, crap pay, sore body at the end of every day, and no real job security or benefits.
If anyone reading the above is thinking that I'm thinking I could be the next App Millionaire...I'm not. I'd be happy just to break the poverty line (1-3 thousand a month or more than 18k a year)....cost of living isn't that high in Arkansas luckily. I'd hate to live in NYC\Random Big City where a crappy 1 room apartment's rent is a high as a high-end middle class home here.
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spy_1134 said:
If you guys could post some websites/threads with some tutorials or further reading so I can know what I am getting myself into, that would be awesome. I have always hoped that one day I'd be able to help you guys out with getting bugs squashed and features added.
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I'm in high school but I REALLY don't want to work at a fast food place, so this like a good way to earn so change. Once I get out, this will (hopefully) become more of a hobby for the next 25 yrs as I'm training to become an Electrician. Then when I'm done and in the early retirement that seems to come with many people in that field I'll hop back onto this. I also second that idea with the idea of website tutorials lol.
Blackest Pain said:
I'm in high school but I REALLY don't want to work at a fast food place, so this like a good way to earn so change. Once I get out, this will (hopefully) become more of a hobby for the next 25 yrs as I'm training to become an Electrician. Then when I'm done and in the early retirement that seems to come with many people in that field I'll hop back onto this. I also second that idea with the idea of website tutorials lol.
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Electrician is a good trade to get into. I wouldn't mind being an electrician actually. Especially since I know enough contracters, house flippers, and landlords that are always needing electrical done and hate paying the electrician (they can pretty much write their own check cause you GOTTA have that LICENSE to touch ANY wire)....why I always built my gates to run on a 12V solar setup (more reliable and I don't need a license to mount a panel and hook it up to a car battery; not to mention a grand cheaper).
Look, I'd post some links, but the best links are banned from a site like this where ethics matter. I'm broke so I can't afford the ebooks if ya know what I mean...hint, hint...find good looking book with positive reviews, google search "name of book .epub", ????, profit.
//see my above post for a quick glance at what McD's offered me....TL : DR version....negative 15 a week cause I factored in a thing called gas money.