Does anyone know if the Sprint version will have the removable sim? Or are they going to go w/ the embedded like they have for most of their other LTE phones? I haven't been able to find anything definitive one way or the other.
The micro sim tray will be removable
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Of note, the Sprint One is among the first of the carrier's LTE devices to offer a replaceable SIM.
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That is so beautiful to hear. I have a SocBlue to use if I had to, but a removeable SIM is something I was hoping for. Thanks for the reference.
yes it does
HTC EVO LTE
Just went to Engadget and found that article. In my defense I had actually done quite a bit of research yesterday and couldn't find the answer.
S4GRU has a nice write up
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-342-updated-all-for-htc-one-htc-one-for-all/
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The micro sim tray will be removable
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Is it a sim card or a uicc card?
What exactly is the benefit? I am assuming overseas benefits perhaps? With HTC and Google for contacts backups, having a sim card seems somewhat pointless these days... then again, I have been with sprint ever since the nokia dominated cellphones.
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What exactly is the benefit? I am assuming overseas benefits perhaps? With HTC and Google for contacts backups, having a sim card seems somewhat pointless these days... then again, I have been with sprint ever since the nokia dominated cellphones.
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Primarily for switching sims overseas.
i think the micro sim will be use for this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2160160
HTC EVO LTE
According to the FCC filing tho it only lists the 800 as a cdma frequency and not LTE, band 25 at 1900 is only lte in it... Unless theres some hidden surprise we will discover down the road. Outside that I don't see what this sim card slot will really yeld us in the states outside of 3rd party carrier lte support that shares sprints network on the 1900 band...
Sprint HTC ONE has replaceable SIM
Looks like the Sprint HTC ONE has a replaceable SIM
http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/08/htc-one-for-att-sprint-review/
For those of you just getting around to cross-shopping the HTC One against other devices, we'll give you a lightning tour of the handset. On board, you've got a standard micro-USB / MHL port along the bottom edge, as well as a metal volume rocker on the right side, and a micro-SIM tray on the left. Of note, the Sprint One is among the first of the carrier's LTE devices to offer a replaceable SIM.
I was sending my phone in for repair, and was asked to remove the SIM tray and screen protector. I was surprised when I saw the SIM card, because I had always been told that CDMA does not use SIM cards...
Here's a look.
sauprankul said:
I was sending my phone in for repair, and was asked to remove the SIM tray and screen protector. I was surprised when I saw the SIM card, because I had always been told that CDMA does not use SIM cards...
Here's a look.
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My understanding is that CDMA doesn't use removable SIM cards, it's the advent of LTE that's moving the CDMA networks to SIM cards (although, apparently the HTC EVO LTE lacked a removable SIM).
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My understanding is that CDMA doesn't use removable SIM cards, it's the advent of LTE that's moving the CDMA networks to SIM cards (although, apparently the HTC EVO LTE lacked a removable SIM).
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The EVO 4G LTE did have one it was just not user accessible.
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I was sending my phone in for repair, and was asked to remove the SIM tray and screen protector. I was surprised when I saw the SIM card, because I had always been told that CDMA does not use SIM cards...
Here's a look.
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Actually, you can provision CDMA service with SIM cards except that carriers in the Americas don't tend to do that. However, it is fairly common on CDMA networks in Asia.
CDMA phones have embedded Sim cards that are usually not accessible.
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Actually, you can provision CDMA service with SIM cards except that carriers in the Americas don't tend to do that. However, it is fairly common on CDMA networks in Asia.
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wait, so if i buy a Sprint HTC one and bring it over to my country (GSM only) and pay for an unlock code, would i be good to go?
mauaus said:
wait, so if i buy a Sprint HTC one and bring it over to my country (GSM only) and pay for an unlock code, would i be good to go?
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You might be, but you need to check that your radio frequencies are compatible. You certainly won't get LTE.
It looks like it has a SIM card, is new to Sprint? I guess it don't matter as no one else uses the same frequency as Sprint. I did not think they had them. Charging the battery now and was wondering how the switchover from the old EVO 4G to the One will go. I saw some popups on the EVO yesterday that looked like they were messing with my account. Was wondering if both phones would work for a time or if I call and activate the new one. I’m guessing call to activate but just thought I’d ask and see.
Found the Sprint Upgrade Instructions. Wish they both had SIM cards I could just swap.
You have to call to activate with sprint unless they have a new automated setup now. *2 is all you need though.
The sim card is specific to just lte its included in all lte CDMA phones now. The activation process only requires the serial number for ur phone, I'd recommend checking on the phone itself instead of the box as some evo lte units came with the wrong box, after u have the number u can call via a different phone or do an online activation
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luigi311 said:
The sim card is specific to just lte its included in all lte CDMA phones now. The activation process only requires the serial number for ur phone, I'd recommend checking on the phone itself instead of the box as some evo lte units came with the wrong box, after u have the number u can call via a different phone or do an online activation
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The SIM Card is not just specific to LTE. The Sprint ONE is also a "World Phone" meaning it works for voice and data over seas. Most likely it has been guessed that it has GSM 900/1800mhz capabilities.
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The SIM Card is not just specific to LTE. The Sprint ONE is also a "World Phone" meaning it works for voice and data over seas. Most likely it has been guessed that it has GSM 900/1800mhz capabilities.
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It might be a world phone but it could be different between CDMA carriers and GSM carriers
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Hey, Just the thread i needed !!!
Off the research so far,
Droid 4(XT894) is a CDMA Device whose ESN is attached/programmed to a verizon mobile number ... right ?
Within the US this device does not support/accomodate a GSM SIM card ... right ?
While outside US, Verizon number works on international roaming.
meaning Calls and text(does internaltional verizon data work too) work on this phone while travelling internationally just fine ... right ?
While travelling outside US, one could load a Local GSM SIM card and this will enable this phone to work like just any other GSM phone ... right ?
Here's where my question's lie ...
When a GSM SIM card is loaded outside US what happens to the pre-programmed Verizon Number which was working on roaming ?
Does the verizon number work alongside the international GSM SIM card ?
Do calls to the Verizon Roaming number and the local GSM SIM number both work together ?
If so ... can one use Verizon Roaming number for calls, and the local GSM SIM for internet data ? ... simultaneously ?
Will it be the same like a dual-sim phone where both numbers work simultaneously ?
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Is it true that this phone supports even a CDMA SIM Card on its SIM slot ?
thanks for reading and any info is greatly appreciated.
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Hey, Just the thread i needed !!!
Off the research so far,
Droid 4(XT894) is a CDMA Device whose ESN is attached/programmed to a verizon mobile number ... right ?
Within the US this device does not support/accomodate a GSM SIM card ... right ?
While outside US, Verizon number works on international roaming.
meaning Calls and text(does internaltional verizon data work too) work on this phone while travelling internationally just fine ... right ?
While travelling outside US, one could load a Local GSM SIM card and this will enable this phone to work like just any other GSM phone ... right ?
Here's where my question's lie ...
When a GSM SIM card is loaded outside US what happens to the pre-programmed Verizon Number which was working on roaming ?
Does the verizon number work alongside the international GSM SIM card ?
Do calls to the Verizon Roaming number and the local GSM SIM number both work together ?
If so ... can one use Verizon Roaming number for calls, and the local GSM SIM for internet data ? ... simultaneously ?
Will it be the same like a dual-sim phone where both numbers work simultaneously ?
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Is it true that this phone supports even a CDMA SIM Card on its SIM slot ?
thanks for reading and any info is greatly appreciated.
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Really all verizon uses is the sim card, I have pulled my sim card out and used it with my XT908, XT894, and XT907 without ever contacting verizon about the change, and call, text, LTE all work fine.
The XT894 can only be connected to either cdma or gms not both.
It will not work with other USA carriers
If using outside of the USA, gms will work but suggest installing the gms patch, for improved compatibility.
[PATCH][GUIDE] Patch to fully enable GSM on Verizon CDMA Android phones by Mentor.37
You will need to root, and install Safestrap, before installing the patch.
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Really all verizon uses is the sim card, I have pulled my sim card out and used it with my XT908, XT894, and XT907 without ever contacting verizon about the change, and call, text, LTE all work fine.
The XT894 can only be connected to either cdma or gms not both.
It will not work with other USA carriers
If using outside of the USA, gms will work but suggest installing the gms patch, for improved compatibility.
[PATCH][GUIDE] Patch to fully enable GSM on Verizon CDMA Android phones by Mentor.37
You will need to root, and install Safestrap, before installing the patch.
See the index.
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thanks for the quick reply @sd_shadow ...
So that confirms that the SIM slot reads both GSM and CDMA SIM modules.
I still have a feeling that Verizon (i could be wrong, hence the question) programs these phones to work based on their ESN No. else why would people on ebay sell phones with 'CLEAN ESN' ... If a verizon CDMA SIM can work out of this phone why does one need a clean ESN, I thought clean ESN's are used to program CDMA mobile nos. through them !
Anybody here running a Droid 4 (XT894) without a verizon CDMA SIM just fine ?
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Droid 4 (XT894) runs only through a Verizon CDMA SIM unlike its non SIM based older cousins ?
aiamuzz said:
thanks for the quick reply @sd_shadow ...
So that confirms that the SIM slot reads both GSM and CDMA SIM modules.
I still have a feeling that Verizon (i could be wrong, hence the question) programs these phones to work based on their ESN No. else why would people on ebay sell phones with 'CLEAN ESN' ... If a verizon CDMA SIM can work out of this phone why does one need a clean ESN, I thought clean ESN's are used to program CDMA mobile nos. through them !
Anybody here running a Droid 4 (XT894) without a verizon CDMA SIM just fine ?
OR
Droid 4 (XT894) runs only through a Verizon CDMA SIM unlike its non SIM based older cousins ?
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ESN is old technology, and hasn't been used for some time.
What are ESN, MEID, and IMEI (device identifiers)?
Every device has a MEID and/or a IMEI which is used along with the sim.
Verizon will blacklist a device if it is reported stolen or you don't pay your bill.
Lots of people are using the Droid 4 outside of the USA, but only with GSM/3g
LTE only works with Verizon.
The Droid 4 will not work without a sim card, GSM nor LTE/CDMA.
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ESN is old technology, and hasn't been used for some time.
What are ESN, MEID, and IMEI (device identifiers)?
Every device has a MEID and/or a IMEI which is used along with the sim.
Verizon will blacklist a device if it is reported stolen or you don't pay your bill.
Lots of people are using the Droid 4 outside of the USA, but only with GSM/3g
LTE only works with Verizon.
The Droid 4 will not work without a sim card, GSM nor LTE/CDMA.
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@sd_shadow ... appreciate the quick response and the clarification.
I read somewhere that Droid 4 can be registered with other CDMA operators outside USA only with an ESN Number, hence my question ... if that is another way to program a device with a mobile number to run without a CDMA SIM.
With regard to LTE ... If any country has a LTE network running on a frequency(700 MHz) similar to that of Verizon, then may be this phone's LTE might work ?
Probably my original question would seem relevant to a ... GSM-SIM-SLOT-modded ... Motorola Photon Q LTE (XT897) ... as that is a device which works as a programmed phone and there is no SIM Card Slot for CDMA SIM either (or has it got one ?) !!!
Any ways thanks for the information !!!
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@sd_shadow ... appreciate the quick response and the clarification.
I read somewhere that Droid 4 can be registered with other CDMA operators outside USA, hence my question if that is another way to program a device with a mobile number to run without a CDMA SIM.
With regard to LTE ... If any country has a LTE network running on a frequency(700 MHz) similar to that of verizon, then would it be likely that this phone's LTE might work ?
Any ways thanks for the information !!!
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That's alot of ifs, not many facts.
aiamuzz said:
I read somewhere that Droid 4 can be registered with other CDMA operators outside USA only with an ESN Number, hence my question ... if that is another way to program a device with a mobile number to run without a CDMA SIM.
With regard to LTE ... If any country has a LTE network running on a frequency(700 MHz) similar to that of Verizon, then may be this phone's LTE might work ?
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The Droid 4 can be manually programmed via DFS CDMA Tool, but only through the stock boot process and ROM. You would have to adapt the process a bit for a foreign carrier, of course, and getting the needed info might be slightly harder.
After being manually programmed, and if Mobile Networks > Subscription Type is set to NV-only, it can be used just like an older 3g-only phone: data works, SMS/MMS works, etc. You DO need a SIM card installed in LP, though, or it constantly complains about the SIM missing and stock SMS won't send messages. Certain KK ROMS (SlimKat for instance) don't need a SIM card installed at all. Whether the SIM is old or new, active or not, etc shouldn't matter.
Assuming you get through all that, you'd also need a carrier who is willing to add your IMEI to the network to "activate" the phone. As far as I know, no Verizon-based MVNOs do this after the beginning of this year (PagePlus was probably the last, they finally stopped after Verizon started double-charging for each activation), but I'd imagine carriers outside of the US would have less of a problem with it. Again, getting the needed information to program by hand might be difficult, and the phone can't be automatically programmed OTA.
Best way I can think of to get said information would be to get a natively 3G phone, have it programmed OTA, then access it with DFS or the like to see what the programming is like. Copy the parameters to the Droid, have service transferred to its IMEI, bam, in theory you have 3g service.
While there might be other carriers using the 700mhz LTE band, depending on how standardized LTE is or isn't, they might not be using it in the exact same way as Verizon. It's certainly possible that it would work perfectly fine, but I wouldn't bet money on it.
Septfox said:
The Droid 4 can be manually programmed via DFS CDMA Tool, but only through the stock boot process and ROM. You would have to adapt the process a bit for a foreign carrier, of course, and getting the needed info might be slightly harder.
After being manually programmed, and if Mobile Networks > Subscription Type is set to NV-only, it can be used just like an older 3g-only phone: data works, SMS/MMS works, etc. You DO need a SIM card installed in LP, though, or it constantly complains about the SIM missing and stock SMS won't send messages. Certain KK ROMS (SlimKat for instance) don't need a SIM card installed at all. Whether the SIM is old or new, active or not, etc shouldn't matter.
Assuming you get through all that, you'd also need a carrier who is willing to add your IMEI to the network to "activate" the phone. As far as I know, no Verizon-based MVNOs do this after the beginning of this year (PagePlus was probably the last, they finally stopped after Verizon started double-charging for each activation), but I'd imagine carriers outside of the US would have less of a problem with it. Again, getting the needed information to program by hand might be difficult, and the phone can't be automatically programmed OTA.
Best way I can think of to get said information would be to get a natively 3G phone, have it programmed OTA, then access it with DFS or the like to see what the programming is like. Copy the parameters to the Droid, have service transferred to its IMEI, bam, in theory you have 3g service.
While there might be other carriers using the 700mhz LTE band, depending on how standardized LTE is or isn't, they might not be using it in the exact same way as Verizon. It's certainly possible that it would work perfectly fine, but I wouldn't bet money on it.
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thanks @Septfox ...
So if One was using SLIMCAT ROM and somehow programmed the phone to say a CDMA operator(the way you've described), say in India(from where i am) ... then without a CDMA SIM card this phone's Call, SMS & Data(3G) should work just fine ?
During such an instance if i load a GSM SIM of another operator what would be the situation ?
I am just looking at using CDMA for Call & SMS(would be good too if Data worked) ... And from my GSM SIM i would like to use only the Data !
So what are the chances of that ?
aiamuzz said:
thanks @Septfox ...
So if One was using SLIMCAT ROM and somehow programmed the phone to say a CDMA operator(the way you've described), say in India(from where i am) ... then without a CDMA SIM card this phone's Call, SMS & Data(3G) should work just fine ?
During such an instance if i load a GSM SIM of another operator what would be the situation ?
I am just looking at using CDMA for Call & SMS(would be good too if Data worked) ... And from my GSM SIM i would like to use only the Data !
So what are the chances of that ?
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Droid 4 cannot use cdma and gms at the same time.
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Droid 4 cannot use cdma and gms at the same time.
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:crying:
well, i was hoping it would !
Ok, Coming to these phones on sale on Ebay with clean ESN and those with bad ESN's !
In US and with Verizon may be a bad ESN phone is nothing but a paper weight!
Where does it stand with other CDMA operators in US ?
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Where does it stand with CDMA operators outside US ?
aiamuzz said:
:crying:
well, i was hoping it would !
Ok, Coming to these phones on sale on Ebay with clean ESN and those with bad ESN's !
In US and with Verizon may be a bad ESN phone is nothing but a paper weight!
Where does it stand with other CDMA operators in US ?
&
Where does it stand with CDMA operators outside US ?
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Clean and bad esn, usually only refers to verizon, carriers usually do not share blacked listed info.
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If you want a phone that will work with non verizon carrier in the USA I wouldn't get the Droid 4.
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If you want a phone that will work with non verizon carrier in the USA I wouldn't get the Droid 4.
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not that it applies to me, but i would certainly like to be informed !
may be someone else may find the info useful, well that's the whole idea behind this thread ... isn't it now ?
If you want a phone that works on cdma outside of the USA, do not get the Droid 4, it was not designed for that.
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At best you will have limited compatibility.
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aiamuzz said:
So if One was using SLIMCAT ROM and somehow programmed the phone to say a CDMA operator(the way you've described), say in India(from where i am) ... then without a CDMA SIM card this phone's Call, SMS & Data(3G) should work just fine ?
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In theory, yes. As long as the channels match up, CDMA service is pretty standard as far as I know. And to be as clear as possible: you can use any ROM, if you have an LTE SIM card installed. The SIM doesn't need to be active, as it isn't actually used if the phone is manually programmed, it is simply there to make the phone stop complaining about a missing SIM.
To reiterate though, this is all in theory. As @sd_shadow said, to use 3G CDMA outside of the US, you might want to find a phone that does it natively. The Droid 4 was intended for 4G LTE/voice over CDMA in the US, and GSM internationally. Trying to get it working on a non-Verizon CDMA carrier should be done as a curiosity, not out of expectation that it will work.
As for non-Verizon carriers in the US, there are at least a couple; Boost and Sprint come to mind. Verizon is the primary CDMA operator here, most other carriers claiming CDMA service are actually MVNOs (Mobile Virtual Network Operator) who "rent" capacity on Verizon's network and resell it to customers as prepaid packages. Verizon MVNOs will refuse to activate the Droid 4 for 3G-only service, as its IMEI immediately gives it away as a 4G LTE device. Boost and Sprint probably won't care, so long as the phone operates on the same channels, but they also won't offer any assistance in programming a phone if it can't be done OTA.
Wherever you are, you would probably have an easier time finding a GSM carrier, since all of the needed information is on the SIM card. There are a lot more "ifs" and "maybes" when it comes to CDMA when it can't be automatically programmed, unfortunately. That said, if you have a particular carrier in mind, it may be worth looking around the internet to see if anyone else has tried to program this phone or the RAZR (which apparently has a similar radio); it might turn out they've already gathered all the necessary information, and it's a matter of entering it all into your phone. Finding information for Sprint and Boost should be easy; carriers outside the US might be a bit more difficult.
Lastly, it's worth pointing out that the Photon Q is a physically similar CDMA phone with technically superior specs, already on the Sprint network. It lacks a SIM slot, though, without some delicate modifications to the mainboard and case, so it can't be as readily moved to GSM service. It's also not as well-supported here (at least, the last I checked) as the Droid 4, so its ROMs might still have some outstanding bugs.
Also like sd_shadow, you can't use CDMA and GSM service at the same time. Stock and most AOSP-based ROMS are configured for Verizon 4G/CDMA service by default, and have to be patched to change over to GSM; this necessarily disables some CDMA functionality. To undo the patch, you have to reflash the ROM (or replace the files that the patch changes, if you backed them up).
How can I turn on the keyboard backlight of my droid 4....now I am operating on jellybean...help me with this!!
subhrajeet05 said:
How can I turn on the keyboard backlight of my droid 4....now I am operating on jellybean...help me with this!!
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Which system version?
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98.72.18.XT894.Verizon.en.us
This is my system version