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I love the effect that google has created with the N7

Google...basically gently rose up from the Shadows. Flexed it's muscles. And instantly KO'd every company making ****ty small tablets.
In one move. One fell swoop.
Speak softly and carrying a big stick. Well Played Google.
While I know we are a bit upset over the sd slot, and hdmi. You've got to admit, this makes pretty much any other 200 tablet a piece of garbage now.
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Lawyers everywhere are celebrating the arrival of the Nexus 7.
Google represents deep pockets, and every two-bit company with ripped-off patents will be looking to cash in.

Nah, they just like to set the price and standards on each subsequent generation of android devices. Asus was going to release it regardless, Google just changed the standard of such devices taking out what we would call standard features that most people won't need and lowing the price on said standard while keeping the same performance.

gotta give google some credit... they have the technology and know how to use it

While I was hoping it would have the original features of the memo pad as revealed as ces I'm thrilled by this tablet. I think having its software come directly from Google and carrying the nexus moniker more than makes up for the hardware changes.
This tablet was an excellent move by Google because not only is it great hardware wise, but the 7 inch market is where they can build a foothold on the tablet market.
I'm happy it is priced so competitively but to scoff at other companies giving less for more money bothers me. Google isn't making profit off this tablet. They hope to raise revenue from play store purchases, etc, but other companies that produce these need to make money off what they build. I don't begrudge them for that. In the end it would be nice for other stockish android tablet makers to either commit to keeping devices on the latest OS, or release source for drivers, etc when they discontinue support for them so that unofficial builds could continue.
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Cel1084 said:
Nah, they just like to set the price and standards on each subsequent generation of android devices. Asus was going to release it regardless, Google just changed the standard of such devices taking out what we would call standard features that most people won't need and lowing the price on said standard while keeping the same performance.
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Let's just hope other oems will follow this standard of pure android and follow the supposed 5 nexus devices this fall. I love my phone but I love pure Google also

Locklear308 said:
Google...basically gently rose up from the Shadows. Flexed it's muscles. And instantly KO'd every company making ****ty small tablets.
In one move. One fell swoop.
Speak softly and carrying a big stick. Well Played Google.
While I know we are a bit upset over the sd slot, and hdmi. You've got to admit, this makes pretty much any other 200 tablet a piece of garbage now.
Thoughts?
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They bought the rights to sell the ASUS ME370T rebranded as the nexus 7 with features removed.
They didn't KO ASUS.
That being said, I'm praying to Moore that their 10" nexus 10 is a rebranded infinity pad from ASUS.

jptech said:
That being said, I'm praying to Moore that their 10" nexus 10 is a rebranded infinity pad from ASUS.
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no way at the rumored $300 price point. plus infinity is already released. no way you will get true HD 1080P nexus tablet with most powerful tegra3 variant(highest clocked, higher voltage, higher clocked gpu, bandwidth on controller increased) for that cheap. we can dream though..lol.
I see a nexus 10 model being closer to transformer 300 minus some features to lower price point. nexus 7 already uses exact same tegra3 chipset as in transformer 300, which is the T30L variant. So Asus/Google could build a Nexus based on that design. minus some features. corners have to be cut to make the cheaper price point.

Cel1084 said:
Asus was going to release it regardless, Google just changed the standard of such devices taking out what we would call standard features that most people won't need and lowing the price on said standard while keeping the same performance.
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Yeah, google's only real contribution here was the hype (not insignifigant). And it's price for meddling was removal of features (like sd card) Asus was probably willing to include.
To be honest, I'm not sure it was worth it. And we can never really know, short of travelling to that alternate reality where Asus did release that $250 memo.
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thebobp said:
Yeah, google's only real contribution here was the hype (not insignifigant). And it's price for meddling was removal of features (like sd card) Asus was probably willing to include.
To be honest, I'm not sure it was worth it. And we can never really know, short of travelling to that alternate reality where Asus did release that $250 memo.
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More realistic for it to have been $350 and have ICS instead of Jelly Bean.

thebobp said:
Yeah, google's only real contribution here was the hype (not insignifigant). And it's price for meddling was removal of features (like sd card) Asus was probably willing to include.
To be honest, I'm not sure it was worth it. And we can never really know, short of travelling to that alternate reality where Asus did release that $250 memo.
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MWBehr said:
More realistic for it to have been $350 and have ICS instead of Jelly Bean.
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I'm pretty sure his 250 quote came directly from Asus back when they announced they where releasing it.

I think N7 is the best move that Google could make with Android tablets. With N7, Google can
1. increase the market share, which is lagging iPad.
2. preempt the 7" iPad mini
3. kill cheap android tablets
4. set a standard to avoid fragmentation
5. diminish perception of android tablet = kindle fire
6. stepping stone for play store's long term success
anything I missed?

It might also bring down the price of some of the higher end tablets (are people really willing to pay an extra $xxx just to get feature xxx?)

Please don't think I'm defending lower hardware specs, but the truth is that Nexus devices are great for their SOFTWARE. Other than the Nexus One, these devices have been great, with good hardware but typically not bleeding edge. They contain enough to do what Google sets out to do. I used to be mad about this but now I'm quite happy. There's more to having a great device than the absolute edge of technology. When I got the Nexus S it was the best Gingerbread phone until Google release the next phone... the Galaxy Nexus. I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus now (ordered int'l in Jan) and though it wasn't the end all of hardware when it came out on paper... it is STILL the best ICS device as well. Now on JB, it simply flies. Why is this?
Simply, the way software and hardware are integrated, it's at Apple levels, dare I say. If you look at superior hardware phones like the One X and SGS III, there are hiccups and hangups or other things created by their custom UI's, etc. Plus, the software is written by Google for the Nexus devices to run well.
I'm not saying the galaxy nexus or other nexus device will have the highest benchmarks or play Temple Run the best, but they tend to function as a whole better than their brethren.
The Nexus 7 seems to be the same way. Jellybean is amazing. As Morfic stated, it makes ICS seem like Vista to Jellybean's Windows 7. It may be basically the same kernel, but it does everything it's predecessor does, better and more. Since they hired Mathias Duarte, I believe Android has not just the most functional OS of mobiles, but also the most cohesive and sharpest looking. All of this is my opinion of course, but I remember when GB came out and compared my Nexus S to the iPhone 4 and thought it still LOOKED a little rough. Now, in addition to it doing more, it looks and feels better as well.
My hope is that the Nexus 7 and Google's focus on this device will bring better Tablet UI apps and allows them to take market share from Apple the way they have done the past few years with their phones.

I think they killed all competition in the 7" Android market entirely I'm guessing, and maybe will do the same to the bigger Android tablets if the rumored 10" is released.
Unfortunately, I think this will cause other companies to not build 7" tablets with better specs since most people aren't going to pay much more to have them.. (Like video out, micro sd, haptic feedback, etc.)
The Toshiba Excite 7.7 16gb @ $500? Dead, dead, dead. Only big difference is microsd and AMOLED. And timely updates from Toshiba? Not likely.
Galaxy Tab 7.7? Hard to say. Only the Verizon model is available directly in the US, so maybe it will hang on since it has cell radio, MHL, haptic feedback, microsd, AMOLED, etc. But then again it's over DOUBLE the price. (Disclaimer: I love mine. Verizon, where is my ICS update????)

There are 10" tablets out there for about the same price as the N7, running ICS, with SD cards etc. And they'll sell about 3 of them - because 'joe public' doesn't buy noname chinese hardware that's (in their mind) 'too cheap'.
A google tablet, on the store shelves next to everything else, with google's name on it - they'll buy that. Then you start to shift a few. Then other manufacturers can start to shift a few, too, because suddenly people have friends with an android tablet and they want one too. 'Not an ipad' ceases to be the death blow that it is currently.

acegolfer said:
I think N7 is the best move that Google could make with Android tablets. With N7, Google can
1. increase the market share, which is lagging iPad.
2. preempt the 7" iPad mini
3. kill cheap android tablets
4. set a standard to avoid fragmentation
5. diminish perception of android tablet = kindle fire
6. stepping stone for play store's long term success
anything I missed?
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a slap in apples face for their overpriced ipad and marketing condescending commercials :good:

TonyHoyle said:
There are 10" tablets out there for about the same price as the N7, running ICS, with SD cards etc. And they'll sell about 3 of them - because 'joe public' doesn't buy noname chinese hardware that's (in their mind) 'too cheap'.
A google tablet, on the store shelves next to everything else, with google's name on it - they'll buy that. Then you start to shift a few. Then other manufacturers can start to shift a few, too, because suddenly people have friends with an android tablet and they want one too. 'Not an ipad' ceases to be the death blow that it is currently.
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But these cheap tablets... The usually have no support, and no software updates, etc. That's also a huge reason ppl don't go buy them.
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Jayrod1980 said:
Please don't think I'm defending lower hardware specs, but the truth is that Nexus devices are great for their SOFTWARE. Other than the Nexus One, these devices have been great, with good hardware but typically not bleeding edge. They contain enough to do what Google sets out to do. I used to be mad about this but now I'm quite happy. There's more to having a great device than the absolute edge of technology. When I got the Nexus S it was the best Gingerbread phone until Google release the next phone... the Galaxy Nexus. I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus now (ordered int'l in Jan) and though it wasn't the end all of hardware when it came out on paper... it is STILL the best ICS device as well. Now on JB, it simply flies. Why is this?
Simply, the way software and hardware are integrated, it's at Apple levels, dare I say. If you look at superior hardware phones like the One X and SGS III, there are hiccups and hangups or other things created by their custom UI's, etc. Plus, the software is written by Google for the Nexus devices to run well.
I'm not saying the galaxy nexus or other nexus device will have the highest benchmarks or play Temple Run the best, but they tend to function as a whole better than their brethren.
The Nexus 7 seems to be the same way. Jellybean is amazing. As Morfic stated, it makes ICS seem like Vista to Jellybean's Windows 7. It may be basically the same kernel, but it does everything it's predecessor does, better and more. Since they hired Mathias Duarte, I believe Android has not just the most functional OS of mobiles, but also the most cohesive and sharpest looking. All of this is my opinion of course, but I remember when GB came out and compared my Nexus S to the iPhone 4 and thought it still LOOKED a little rough. Now, in addition to it doing more, it looks and feels better as well.
My hope is that the Nexus 7 and Google's focus on this device will bring better Tablet UI apps and allows them to take market share from Apple the way they have done the past few years with their phones.
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I agree with you on some of the points but One x and SGSIII are not hick ups. One x might had some problems earlier but SGSIII never had any problem and it is the best ICS phone not Galaxy Nexus. I sold my Galaxy Nexus 2 weeks back and this was the first phone which does not make me feel wow about anything at all. It was doing everything at acceptable level but best at nothing. I agree that at $350 price tag it is a nice phone but I bought this phone only because I was short of money. Google did well with Nexus one, Nexus S and they were indeed best phones but Galaxy Nexus was just okay sort of phone even when it was released last year. I think the new Nexus would be much better which hopefully would be released later this year.
On the other hand what you have said about Nexus 7 on the other hand is true. Even though I have iPad 3 64GB with 4G but I understand what google is trying to do with Nexus 7 and I love what they did. I was looking for a good 7 inch tablet and there was nothing good in the market in 7 inch beside toshiba 7.7 but it was too pricey. Who is going to pay more than 500 for a 7.7 inch android tablet? Google on the other hand done very well by introducing Nexus 7 only for 200 and nothing can beat it at this price point or even nothing with 300 more price tag can beat it. It is even better than Asus Pad TF300 which cost way more than Nexus 7. The 7 inch form factor is also great and google made a very good choice.

Apple Press Tricks aka the Ipad Mini

So when The Kindle fire came out, there was press about the ipad mini... this was dispelled by jobs a month later.
Now with the Google Nexus 7, wow.. the press go's wild again with ipad mini stories!
This vaporware they say will be out in Nov... funny they write just before google and amazon launch 7" tabs...
Pure play to keep the ipad users from jumping ship.

That's my guess, too. The ipad mini has a sucky resolution, so it's out for me anyway.

So what?
It would be a good product and this is for sure. Competition is always healthy and I like it. The only thing I hate about Apple is the patent war. Their products are awesome.
I have both google and apple devices and even microsoft. I don't like to restrict myself to one camp and get whatever is best available no matter from whom it is.

Steve Jobs is dead... what he brought to Apple died with him and no one in the world, not even Tim Cook will be able to replicate that. Everyday Apple is turning more corporate which is why we will see a smaller Ipad. If Steve was still alive, there wouldn't any question about a 4" screen in the iphone5, he would simply say "that is what the ipad is for".
Simply... profit is king.

The fact that it's being talked about in the google nexus section of the forum indicates what Apple is doing is working. Buzz about it is exactly what they want. Like they say, the only thing worse than somebody talking about your product is nobody talking about your product.
If it does get released, I know many that will buy it. The resolution doesn't matter to them, as other than the new iPad and the as yet unreleased-to-the-public Android 1920px tablets, they aren't really far behind. Most 10.1" android tablets are 1280x800, not a huge huge jump for them.

saadi703 said:
So what?
It would be a good product and this is for sure. Competition is always healthy and I like it. The only thing I hate about Apple is the patent war. Their products are awesome.
I have both google and apple devices and even microsoft. I don't like to restrict myself to one camp and get whatever is best available no matter from whom it is.
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The patent war is getting out of hand, its not just Apple although they do seem to be doing it more than most.
I own a mixture of manufactures products; Apple Macbook Pro laptop, Linux desktop, Samsung Android phone,Asus Android Tablet, Microsoft xbox.
I cant understand people who only buy from one manufacturer and never look anywhere else, my sister is a motorola loyalist, she has only ever owned Motorola phones and doesn't even consider any other make, when she was tablet shopping the only one she looked at was the Motorola Xoom. Personally I will buy the product that suits me best regardless of manufacture. the only reason I haven't tried a Win7 mobile yet is because I can't afford a decent one right now and testing out the OS with a bad phone will give me a negative impression.
I personally hope Apple do release a iPad mini, even though I have no intention of buying one, I just want to see more smaller/mid sized tablets coming out.

I actually think that the iPad Mini will be released this time, though. Apple can't just let their main competitor have the whole 7" market share, including the budget tablets (sub-$200). They're, of course, going to release a $200-250 iPad Mini to compete. Only they probably don't have the resources to make it as good as the Nexus 7. I'm guessing it will have the iPad 2 processor, a less crisp display, and, of course, be majorly locked down. But people will buy it because it's an Apple product.

I agree with "Simply... profit is king." thing is there is no margin in a 7" with google selling at cost. All it would do is pull sales from the 10" and loose them $$$
BamAlmighty said:
Steve Jobs is dead... what he brought to Apple died with him and no one in the world, not even Tim Cook will be able to replicate that. Everyday Apple is turning more corporate which is why we will see a smaller Ipad. If Steve was still alive, there wouldn't any question about a 4" screen in the iphone5, he would simply say "that is what the ipad is for".
Simply... profit is king.
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fenturi said:
I agree with "Simply... profit is king." thing is there is no margin in a 7" with google selling at cost. All it would do is pull sales from the 10" and loose them $$$
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They have the benefit of brand and vendor lock-in, so a $50-$100 premium is not off the table.
It could go either way, I think. But you're right about one thing: it's advantageous for Apple to leak this, regardless of whether they were making one or not. Any hesitation during which they can further lock-in their customers would only be beneficial to them.

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I agree with "Simply... profit is king." thing is there is no margin in a 7" with google selling at cost. All it would do is pull sales from the 10" and loose them $$$
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I think Apple could probably sell a 7" tablet at £300-350 (cheapest ipad is £399.00) sure its more than what the Nexus 7 and other 7" tablets cost, but people are willing to pay more purely because its Apple. Also if its marketed as a premium product like all Apple products are I could still see people buying it.

fenturi said:
So when The Kindle fire came out, there was press about the ipad mini... this was dispelled by jobs a month later.
Now with the Google Nexus 7, wow.. the press go's wild again with ipad mini stories!
This vaporware they say will be out in Nov... funny they write just before google and amazon launch 7" tabs...
Pure play to keep the ipad users from jumping ship.
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Press tricks with usual no press from apple. Blame the new companies.

markp1989 said:
I think Apple could probably sell a 7" tablet at £300-350 (cheapest ipad is £399.00) sure its more than what the Nexus 7 and other 7" tablets cost, but people are willing to pay more purely because its Apple. Also if its marketed as a premium product like all Apple products are I could still see people buying it.
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I pre ordered the n7 the day it was announced but I will also pick up an ipad mini when it comes out not just because it's an apple product but be a use of all the quality apps in the app store. I'm sure I'll love my n7 but the play store still has a ways to go before they can match the offering from the app store.
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iPad Mini?
Or iPod Maxi?

With Steve Jobs gone, I suspect this is a more real possibility than the past.
People don't only want 7 inch tablets just because they are cheaper. The 7 inch form factor is really nice, some people prefer it. Others would probably buy a second tablet to supplement their existing 10 inch tablet.
I'm sure Apple would have released a 7 inch tablet earlier if Steve Jobs hadn't so famously put his put in his mouth.

jtc276 said:
I actually think that the iPad Mini will be released this time, though. Apple can't just let their main competitor have the whole 7" market share, including the budget tablets (sub-$200). They're, of course, going to release a $200-250 iPad Mini to compete. Only they probably don't have the resources to make it as good as the Nexus 7. I'm guessing it will have the iPad 2 processor, a less crisp display, and, of course, be majorly locked down. But people will buy it because it's an Apple product.
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Apple absolutely has the resources to pull this off. Though if their past has any say in how they run things they won't be willing to take a profit loss on this, mainly because they have already programmed their user base to pay a premium for their products. Whether or not it actually comes to market, well we will see. I think though that this would be a mistake for them to bow to this pressure to take a profit loss on a device as they are still the market leader in tablet sales by a long shot and their fan base would eat up a seven incher to sit next to their ipad 3. People who are buying a 9.7 inch ipad and the people who are purchasing the a 7 inch tablet are looking for different experiences fundamentally and they'd be fools not to tap into this market.

Nexus 7 review - ipad killer, for me at least

With So many threads pointing out problems, concerns, and other issues with the nexus 7, I thought I would spend a little time talking about how amazing this device actually is! In my opinion, depending on your needs, this tablet is truly better than the ipad in many ways and significantly cheaper!
Design
Google and Asus have done a really great job with the hardware design, look and feel feel. The device feels sturdy and comfortable in your hands, and looks great.
Battery
Battery life has been superb for me. The device can last around 10 hours on a charge and even longer if just standing by.
UI
The nexus 7 and jelly bean are a true join to work with and come off as extremely polished. In many ways this is where I feel the nexus is better than an ipad depending on your needs. iOS is getting a bit stale in my opinion, the with home screen after home screen of simple all icons. With the widgets I have setup on my home screens, my nexus brings all the important information to me, rather that having to open up apps to get weather, twitter feeds etc.
I'll post some more thoughts later but for anyone on the fence about buying, don't hesitate and just do it!

In total agreement, its a totally amazing device. Google have done an amazing job.
I think the size is going to be a popular selling point with many and definetly the price (especially against the big boy iPad)
iPad killer??.. Lets say from where I stand, its certainly going to give Apple a run for their money and will finally place an Android tablet into that big marketshare that Apple dominates.
Ofcourse you'll always get peeps who will buy the iPad, personal choice etc... but this colourful Jelly Bean is going to seriously have an impact on the iPad and Apples dominance, which is great to see..
I'm in love with mine already...

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In total agreement, its a totally amazing device. Google have done an amazing job.
I think the size is going to be a popular selling point with many and definetly the price (especially against the big boy iPad)
iPad killer??.. Lets say from where I stand, its certainly going to give Apple a run for their money and will finally place an Android tablet into that big marketshare that Apple dominates.
Ofcourse you'll always get peeps who will buy the iPad, personal choice etc... but this colourful Jelly Bean is going to seriously have an impact on the iPad and Apples dominance, which is great to see..
I'm in love with mine already...
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Absolutely. I guess the better question is, does it need to be an iPad killer? I never really wanted an iPad (I've played around with plenty of them) and the minute Google announced this device, I pre-ordered. Why? Size. I personally find the iPad too big to carry around. My fiance has a kindle fire and I liked that size, but it felt too much like an e-reader that car run apps, vs a full fledged tablet.
Jelly Bean is the star of the Show here, and the nexus has all the internal guts needed to make it shine!
Google Now is really great - I googled the Boston Celtics score the other day and now I automatically get notified what the score of the current game is and when the next game is coming up. That's fantastic.
Somehow Google has also figured out where I work and now tells me when there is heavy traffic. This is also fantastic and a huge time saver.
The speach recognition is great too - Very handy to have available offline!

Hopefully a strong competitor
I'm waiting for my N7 to arrive, so I'm not really qualified to comment on whether the N7 is an iPad killer.
That aside, I think we as consumers benefit from a strong and healthy Android, iOS, and Windows8. It forces the competition to continue innovating. This is always good for us. Plus, it will tend to keep prices down.
I prefer Android because I don't want my garden walled - I also have a need to see how things work and make it just so for me. On the other hand, I do understand why some people like to be spoon fed - it requires less thought and they can focus on other things in their lives.
So hopefully it will not kill the iPad, but maybe become a strong competitor and force Apple to improve and innovate and come out with a better iPad (hopefully something more than just a display upgrade).

Not an iPad killer for me, but at this price, why not get one. I'm still keeping my iPad though. The iPad feels more sturdy all around, especially the screen, no creaking no movement. Wi-Fi is more consistent, and no screen flicker. Better app compatibility across the few different hardware and OS versions. Overall the Nexus 7 feels cheap with cheap components, but hey it really is sold for cheap. Cheap enough to play with. Not an Android or Google hater. This is my fourth Android device and second Google device. Just throwing my opinions out here.
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I have both a Nexus 7 and an iPad 3, and I can say that they both have their advantages. App support is excellent on the iPad, and the screen is still superior, so I tend to use it for heavier browsing sessions, RSS reading, and a variety of apps that don't exist on Android (none of which are essential). However, the Nexus 7 is lighter and of course has the Android OS advantages, so I tend to use IT for ebook reading and general "what's going on in the world" kind off stuff.
It's nice to be able to own both, but if I were to be forced to choose one over the other, I'd go with the Nexus 7 if only because I like Android better than iOS (which really wastes an otherwise great tablet). Jelly Bean pretty much erased the "fluidity" advantage that that iPad has enjoyed over other Android tablets, letting the general usefulness of an Android tablet (widgets, file system access, etc.) really shine through.
I think if the Nexus 7 had come out the same year as the iPad, things would be different in the market. But of course the iPad has such a massive head start, it's going to be a long row to hoe for Android tablets.

love this device! It's funny I bought my mom a New iPad for her bday because shes been wanting one for a long time now. I get my N7 a few days later and show her some of the cool stuff it does (ie:google now) and she was actually getting jealous of my device. For me I never been interested in the iPad, could u imagine dropping that on ur face in bed? lol

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love this device! It's funny I bought my mom a New iPad for her bday because shes been wanting one for a long time now. I get my N7 a few days later and show her some of the cool stuff it does (ie:google now) and she was actually getting jealous of my device. For me I never been interested in the iPad, could u imagine dropping that on ur face in bed? lol
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Honestly, I don't get this "dropping an ebook reader on your face" thing. I don't hold mine above my face when I'm reading, I rest it on my chest in portrait. The Nexus 7 is far more comfortable than the iPad even this way, but...

wynand32 said:
Honestly, I don't get this "dropping an ebook reader on your face" thing. I don't hold mine above my face when I'm reading, I rest it on my chest in portrait. The Nexus 7 is far more comfortable than the iPad even this way, but...
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i dont exactly read a whole book while holding it over my face, sometimes i just move and try to hold into different positions trying to get comfy or just a quick use and i dont want to prop myself up to use it lol.

I really don't get the iPad's bad comments here. I happen to own a iPhone, iPod, iPad 1 2 and The New iPad, with the Retina display on and the A5X in on The New iPad, there's really no comparison... none! Dude! The Tegra 3 can't even out do the iPad 2's specs. Don't get me wrong, I love my Nexus S, Nexus Galaxy and my Nexus 7 to death, but that still doesn't give me the right to blast Apple or Google because I thank GOD Apple has Google on there backs, this just mean better technology for the end user in the end. So, only GOD can judge me and not you!
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Haha! I mean... Google have done a good job but I pad killer is a bit to far. I've had the I pad and have the nexus 7 and the ipad is better. Apps,screen,stability and sorry to say the cameras on it lol. As I said the nexus 7 is quality but has a lot of things missing to kill the ipad.
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I disagree, I think the Nexus 7 is a true ipad killer.
Gaming is silky smooth, more so than the ipad3 as a lot of high end games struggle on the ipad3 due to the very high pixel ratio it has.
Jelly bean makes it silky smooth throughout the device,
The price alone makes it an ipad killer, I don't think anyone can justify paying more than double for the extras the ipad offers.
More storage, better screen (but as said, this is a negative for gaming) and a camera.
Nobody uses a rear facing camera on a tablet, who in their right mind would hold up a tablet in public to take any photo, never mind an average photo - we all have phones and actual cameras that does this & does it better.
If you can cope with the storage limitation, why pay double for nothing?
It's not like the Nexus7 is a bad screen, it's still HD resolution, in a 7inch format factor.
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chrisjcks said:
I disagree, I think the Nexus 7 is a true ipad killer.
Gaming is silky smooth, more so than the ipad3 as a lot of high end games struggle on the ipad3 due to the very high pixel ratio it has.
Jelly bean makes it silky smooth throughout the device,
The price alone makes it an ipad killer, I don't think anyone can justify paying more than double for the extras the ipad offers.
More storage, better screen (but as said, this is a negative for gaming) and a camera.
Nobody uses a rear facing camera on a tablet, who in their right mind would hold up a tablet in public to take any photo, never mind an average photo - we all have phones and actual cameras that does this & does it better.
If you can cope with the storage limitation, why pay double for nothing?
It's not like the Nexus7 is a bad screen, it's still HD resolution, in a 7inch format factor.
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I will have to greatly disagree. The New iPad, with that sexy Retina display you was just stepping on; wait, you must not own The New iPad because of the none facts above. With the Retina display it still outperforms Tegra 3 while still looking great with that great and unbeaten 2048 by 1536 resolution. Here take a look for yourself and read the facts http://www.redmondpie.com/a5-vs.-a5...-benchmarked-the-winner-is-rather-surprising/ Now, I'm not a fan boy, I'm just stating the truth! It helps me sleep better at night and gaming on my iPad has never been so smooth with the A5X chip.
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I will have to greatly disagree. The New iPad, with that sexy Retina display you was just stepping on; wait, you must not own The New iPad because of the none facts above. With the Retina display it still outperforms Tegra 3 while still looking great with that great and unbeaten 2048 by 1536 resolution. Here take a look for yourself and read the facts http://www.redmondpie.com/a5-vs.-a5...-benchmarked-the-winner-is-rather-surprising/ Now, I'm not a fan boy, I'm just stating the truth! It helps me sleep better at night and gaming on my iPad has never been so smooth with the A5X chip.
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Go try some high end games on the iPad3, it struggles because the GPU is not good enough for the high pixel density of the display.
So,whilst you get a high resolution screen - go check your gaming performance.
You can't honestly say you haven't seen as such.
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Go try some high end games on the iPad3, it struggles like crazy because the GPU is not good enough for the high pixel density of the display.
Modern Combat 3, riptide gp, shadowgun etc
So,whilst you get a high resolution screen - go check your gaming performance.
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Dude! I play these games everyday with no issues @ all. Do you have a iPad 3? Because I'm not getting lag at all! I'm going to stay on topic now because this is starting to make me feel like a fan boy when I'm not. Okay dude maybe it's that your in a Android spell, like you see lag in everything none Android. I've just given you the facts. Now, can you explain, how is there any lag in The New iPad when with the Retina display it outperformed the Tegra 3. I love my Nexus 7, but if the Nexus 7 was to be a iPad killer it would not be 200 bucks, but what you get with the Nexus 7 is a great bang for the buck!
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I don't own them, but ive used them all.
Its quite simple,
Apple doubled the GPU cores in the iPad3 compared to iPad2. (x2)
However, the iPad3 is pushing out x4 the pixels compared to the ipad2.
Its not difficult to see that.
Games that run at the ipad3's native resolution will run slower than on the ipad2.
The trick that you might not be seeing, is quite a lot of games are not running at the native resolution of the ipad3, but are infact being upscaled.
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Will be my ipad killer, too. I'm tired of schlepping the heavy unwieldy new iPad around and my needs are simple enough so that between the Nexus 7 and my trusted netbook, everything is already covered. I'm getting rid of my new ipad as soon as I'm home.

Before anyone calls it an iPad killer, I think it needs to be more.widely available even in the US. When I walk info a bestbuy and see it for sale and marketed then we can talk about iPad killer. Right nos, not yet
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I don't own them, but ive used them all.
Its quite simple,
Apple doubled the GPU cores in the iPad3 compared to iPad2. (x2)
However, the iPad3 is pushing out x4 the pixels compared to the ipad2.
Its not difficult to see that.
Games that run at the ipad3's native resolution will run slower than on the ipad2.
The trick that you might not be seeing, is quite a lot of games are not running at the native resolution of the ipad3, but are infact being upscaled.
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You are correct. In fact there was a recent article about the new Macbook Pro's (with retina display) performance and the becnchmark revealed that even with the fairly high end GPU, it just couldn't keep up with the extra pixels it had to push. Same thing with the iPad 3.
Does the iPad 3 have a great screen? Of course, no one is denying that. Is the Nexus 7 screen close? Absolutely.

The new ipad is amazing and better than the 7 mainly due to iTunes and airplay and air video. But the ipad does cost more. Even though I have an ipad I prefer the 7.
I do wonder what Apple will be bringing out with the ipad mini. Comparing this when it's realised might be a fairer comparison.

Cheaper, slimmer Google Nexus 7 rumored for Q1 2013

Google may be readying a revamped model of the middle sibling in its Nexus line of Android devices for as early as the first quarter of 2013, if the supply-chain snoops at Taiwanese tech news site DigiTimes are correct.
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/20/google_nexus7_rumors_persist/
Well what do we think?

Not thinking much of anything to be honest.. good for them? I'll remain happy with my 1st gen 16Gb mobel.

A cheaper version is always welcome.
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I could see the Nexus tablet line having the following:
A cheap ($99 seems low, but okay) 7". A higher quality 7" ($200-$250?). High quality 10".
While I have little money for toys, and I like paying low prices as much as anyone, I don't necessarily want a Nexus device that's had every cost corner cut. Especially things like storage and ram, which the current Nexus 7 seems to have slow parts.
Perhaps Google is trying to entice the masses further by lowering the price of a decent device, but I hope they realize that you can't make money off being the cheapest on the market. You might sell more, but your margins are smaller and your support costs are way higher because of cut corners and the sheer amount of people owning one.

I just see a lot of people being disappointed with this new device as you know they will compare it with the first Gen n7. Sometimes cheaper isn't always better.
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I can see why they would want to offer a cheaper N7-type device, but my biggest concern is supply chain issues. The current Nexus 7 is the only device that hasn't had any severe supply issues from the play store in the past few months.... but that's probably mostly because it's already been out for 6 months.

I'm happy enough for my current N7

We have more than enough cheap low-end tablets on the market nowadays..
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I think our N7 is good enough. I don't think I want to replace it.
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They better not! I just bought this thing!

With cortex a8 and adreno 200...

They probably saved money on production by leaving off the bluetooth hardware, since it doesn't work with their software anyways.

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They probably saved money on production by leaving off the bluetooth hardware, since it doesn't work with their software anyways.
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Lol I could`nt agree more
Tapped out from my sexy nexus 7

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I think our N7 is good enough. I don't think I want to replace it ...
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That's one way to gain market share, N7 were practically sold out everywhere in town over the holidays - DH got herself an iPad2 X'mas 2011 and the iOS people are releasing #5 in March or Spring of 2013 ...
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They better not! I just bought this thing!
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One would be paying more for a used/pre-owned N7 in excellent condition than buying the newest model, cheaper & slimmer. Hmmm :highfive: :fingers-crossed:
Maybe I should return mine to Staple as there is NO restocking fee & no questions asked - and wait for the newer one, 4.1.2 is such a mess in stock form anyway, LOL.

This reminds me of Samsung. They just made a half ass 4in budget phone to sell (S3 Mini). Their intent was to provide a phone for individuals who do not need a power house. The problem is the individuals who review phones like power houses. In many reviews Samsung was ridiculed for making the phone (even though it was meeting their intent). Hopefully Google is not treated the same way.
I can see the headline now, "iPad Mini ($349) dominates against new Google Nexus 7 ($99) .... Google stands no chance".
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This reminds me of Samsung. They just made a half ass 4in budget phone to sell (S3 Mini). Their intent was to provide a phone for individuals who do not need a power house. The problem is the individuals who review phones like power houses. In many reviews Samsung was ridiculed for making the phone (even though it was meeting their intent). Hopefully Google is not treated the same way.
I can see the headline now, "iPad Mini ($349) dominates against new Google Nexus 7 ($99) .... Google stands no chance".
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You're so right, I really like these Nexus phones (4 especially) and Galaxy S3, but the screen size puts me off - it's to big. Gimme a nice 4,2 inch with a decent resolution and I'm sold, but yes, such phones get lost in reviews because they don't stand a chance competing with 6" super triple HD 3D Gorilla Retina screen, 16core CPU and more RAM than my PC has.
I already have a decent tablet (N7), all I want is a decent dual, maybe cheap quad core, ~4" Nexus phone (once I got N7 I realized what android is really supposed to look like, because CM is not stable enough for me to run on my Xperia, so I kept it stock).
Of course Nexus line is only top notch, playing in the big league of S4 and iPhone6, so yes if they released a normal 4" nexus phone, headlines would say "where's your god now Android fans, always you have been bashing iPhones 'small' screen, now you're buying one yourself".
Nexus 7 is cheap enough as it is, we don't need another 800*480 7" tablet, that you can get in the Pharmacy (seriously, I saw some cheap tPads in local pharmacy), make a cheap Nexus phone!

Any news about it?
I'm on a low budget (about $150) and was hoping to get that cheap nexus 7 if it's released
It would be certainly better than those nasty china tablets..

99$?!
Cortex a8 + 512ram?

all i got from that site information is...... "made cheaper . thinner"............mmmmm wow

Should I buy this tablet?

I have been contemplating buying this tablet for a couple days after a friend suggested it to me. I have been doing extensive research on the tablet and quite like it as whole but, some things that annoy be about the tablet is:
- Colour Saturation
The colours just aren't as lively as I would like but I guess you could get used to that..still quite a disappointment.
- Up scaled games and apps
Games and apps on the playstore are up scaled for the resolution of the tablet obviously...and this really annoys me because the quality goes down and also a lot of the apps aren't well optimised for the android OS and such.
I have been doing a lot of comparisons between the iPad mini and this tablet and I am mostly leaning towards this tablet but at the same time I think I would probably get the iPad mini if it had the retina display or had a much tighter price gap between the nexus and itself.
The main thing that annoys me is the colours, if that wasn't a problem then I wouldn't even be making this thread, is there any hack or something that a dev created that could possibly tweak these things and make it better?
Basically, the main thing I want to gain from this thread is making a decision to get the nexus 7 or the iPad Mini..
I want to make this decision based on your opinions and experiences and your own decision on which one you think would be better...money aside.
Also, I want to ask as a last question if you think I should wait for the nexus 7" 2 that is rumored to be announced at the dev conference somewhere in may...also do you think there will be a big price difference between the nexus 7" 2 and the normal one.
Thanks.
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iPad mini or Nexus 7 or wait for the Nexus 7" 2 to be rumored to be coming out in may. Some problems with the nexus is colours and proper app support and optimisation which could be annoying. Give your opinion on the matter...money aside.

Well honestly, colour saturation on this device isn't to bad. I've had no complaints with the screen at all. And from what I know, the nexus 7 is closer to retina display than the iPad mini. There are actually a lot of apps that look very nice on this device. I'd really recommend getting an Nexus 7. As I made the same decision between iPad mini and n7, I do not regret it
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I also holded back with buying it.
I'm happy that I did in the end!
Go for it.

You need to stop listening to and believing everything Apple say. It's rarely true.
Games and apps certainly aren't all upscaled phone versions. The majority of the popular apps you will use all have tablet layouts in them.
The bit that Apple don't mention, is that this means you only buy the app once, not twice... I wonder why they forgot to mention that........
Colour saturation is also another myth spread about to try and discredit the Nexus7, which spanks the iPad Mini on specs, performance features and price... If you really want a differentiator, then look at the screens between the ipad mini and the N7. The N7 is miles better, not only in resolution.
The iPad Mini is an out of date shrunk down iPad2, a rushed out answer to the N7, still hobbled by Apple's fixed ratio 4:3 fat panel format.

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You need to stop listening to and believing everything Apple say. It's rarely true.
Games and apps certainly aren't all upscaled phone versions. The majority of the popular apps you will use all have tablet layouts in them.
The bit that Apple don't mention, is that this means you only buy the app once, not twice... I wonder why they forgot to mention that........
Colour saturation is also another myth spread about to try and discredit the Nexus7, which spanks the iPad Mini on specs, performance features and price... If you really want a differentiator, then look at the screens between the ipad mini and the N7. The N7 is miles better, not only in resolution.
The iPad Mini is an out of date shrunk down iPad2, a rushed out answer to the N7, still hobbled by Apple's fixed ratio 4:3 fat panel format.
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Well said that man.:good:

Go for it, you wont be dissapointed
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I honestly haven't noticed anything bad about the screen.
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I know people...a few....that after owning an ipad.....got the nexus 7 next. They were very happy!
Tho.....Steve job's ghost haunts them now and won't leave them alone!!!!!
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I have no idea what kind of unbiased answers you're looking for from a N7 enthusiast forum... These kinds of threads are stupid. Just compare the two devices yourself to make your own judgement.

I like technology, and although I can't be unbiased (I have nexus 7), I'll try to give my as-fair-as-possible opinion here:
Reasons I would go for nexus 7 and not iPad mini:
- ecosystem - if you already have android phone, all those apps will simply work
- great bang for the buck - you get a lot for your 250
- amazing high res. screen with 16:10 aspect ratio. And as soon as you disable the stupid "tegra dimmer battery saver", the colours are as good as on any other high end tablet. Aspect ratio great for movies/TV shows.
- android is really good at being the latest in terms of software. There is always something new happening: new roms, new updates, new cool apps.
- Google now, notifications, multitasking.. as mentioned, android feels fresh while iOS is pretty much outdated by today's standards.
Reasons I would go for iPad mini and not nexus 7:
- gaming. The combination of pretty average gpu (tegra 3) and lack of proper optimization from many games (all gameloft, many ea games) makes nexus 7 only an average gaming machine. iPad mini, on the other hand, runs everything with full graphics and much higher framerate, despite being "iPad 2" hardware.
- larger screen and 4:3 aspect ratio. Yes, it has lower resolution, but larger size. This works well for things like reading or browsing, esp. if you are comfortable holding the tablet further away from face. Also 4:3 is, imo, better for these things. However, movies and TV shows will be significantly worse due to lower resolution and 4:3 aspect ratio.
- Apple ecosystem - if you already have an iphone, many apps will simply work.
- looks. iPad mini is honestly the sexiest tablet I've ever held. It is much thinner and lighter than Nexus 7. And the smaller bezel size looks really good. I'm not saying nexus 7 is ugly - but iPad mini is much better looking. (also don't listen to ppl claiming that the small bezel makes it impossible to hold the device in one hand without touching the screen. I tried it a lot, and never had a problem with accidentally touching something with my thumb.)
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BTW, in CNET's prize fight of Nexus 7 vs iPad Mini, Nexus 7 won. I was shocked, CNET was always very biased towards Apple products..

Just go a buy the damn thing you want!!
If you want an ipad mini made from ipad 2 junk scraps it's up to you but i got a nexus 7 and am the happiest guy there is (tablet speaking ).

Yes it's an awesome tablet.
I bought it as a stop gap till the nexus 10 showed up, now I don't feel like I need a nexus 10 no more.
The nexus 7 is so handy size wise. It's perfect.
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Nexus 7
The iPad mini does have better color saturation and the most apps. It also probably has better gaming performance. If those things matter to you then get the mini and pay about $100 more.
If open source software and the idea that software should be free as in free to use it how you see fit then I think the Nexus 7 is it. The screen is awesome. I have seen the two side by side and the apple looks better color wise but the resolution on the N7 is awesome. Also looking at it daily I have never thought the colors were bad.
The amount of things you can do and the amount of customization you get is unequal to anything else. Updates are super fast as well. For the price I simply do not see any reason to own anything else. The apps on android work great and most have updated to tablet scaling. There is an app for everything I need and google navigation is the best.
I think Google is a better company than apple for several reasons. They sold this device at cost and develop their software in an open source ecosystem not locked down and proprietary. Sure they want your personal data but rooting and custom roms will solve that. The other thing is the hardware is the best you can get for the cost while Apple sells it's hardware for a premium and usually cripples the device or gives outdated hardware so as soon as you buy your device is outdated forcing you to continually upgrade and buy a new device. Designed obsolescence is Apple's business model. They certainly make good products and good software but their business tactics are worse than Microsoft.
I guess I still have a bad taste from buying a powerpc iBook right before the intel versions came out and the salesperson telling me that they will support powerpc for years and at least two OS versions. Not even a month later intel came out and my iBook was junk. Sure a few months it was good but after that, after Leopard I was stuck with a perfectly good machine but no support. Flash forget it. Oh well that was then. Now I want hardware that is not tied into software. I will only buy Nexus tablets from now on because of the updates and mods. I will only buy Windows pc's so I can choose windows or Linux. I have a friend with a mcbook pro from 08 and no hdmi?? A macbook pro!! My old $500 2007 gateway laptop has an hdmi output??
Enough of my rant. I like Apple products but I just know it is a money drain and no freedom. Other than that they just work great
R

Without a doubt.
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iPad mini is good...for sheeple
Just kidding about the Sheeple comment. I like Apple hardware, just not their software and proprietary, curated ecosystem.
The Nexus 7 is thicker and heavier than an iPad mini, and the colors aren't as bright, but I like it a lot compared to an iPad mini because:
1. It's something different than what other people around me already have (apple devices).
2. I prefer to support free or ad-supported software. Google Play seems a bit less commercial than the iTunes store, and that appeals to me somehow.
3. Better customization with android over iOS, ability to root, try different ROMS
4. Much less expensive than iPad mini. I won't be out a lot of cash when/if I upgrade in a year or so
5. I hate iTunes. iTunes is bloatware that never does what I want: simply move files back and forth and organize them how I want. Lock me out of my own device, and move and rename all 1,500 of my music files without warning? I don't like being locked into one single software option for managing my own data files.
6. Works great as an eReader with the Calibre desktop program and a lot of eReading software like Moon+reader, FBreader, Kindle reader, Aldiko, etc., and I can also sync my books and comics between Android devices with these programs. Calibre works so much better than other programs I've tried.
7. My whole life is on Gmail, Google calendar, and so on. Why not go all in with Google?​
To me, it feels like Apple and it's flunky iTunes is like some kind of bandit gang guarding the bridge to the internet and customer data, shaking down travelers.
Apple makes excellent, although overpriced hardware, and then tries to restrict how I use it with iTunes, and that doesn't even do what I want. Android offers way more options.

I've had The N7 for about a week now and it's been great, I haven't come across one app that didn't have a tablet UI. Of course the extent of my testing with it was downloading a bunch of free games and playing them for a few minutes. On the color saturation note, i don't see anything wrong with it, I watch quite a bit of anime and colors look vibrant.

robbbzilla said:
I think Google is a better company than apple for several reasons. They sold this device at cost and develop their software in an open source ecosystem not locked down and proprietary. Sure they want your personal data but rooting and custom roms will solve that.
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The main thing about this quote that I noticed is how you said that google takes my info. I wanted to ask you about in rooting and custom roms would I need to customise a setting of some sorts to enable that or does it do it automatically?
I am getting a nexus 7 guys btw. Made my final decision and I think it is a pretty good one, so yeh haha

The main thing I dislike about my Nexus 7 is the colors being too bright.
For instance, the Tapatalk app has a tan/yellowish background with black text. On my iPad and other Android devices it's a medium shade of tan/yellow. Fairly easy to read text. On my Nexus 7 it's a very light tan/yellow, and also the text does not seem to be a dark black. Very difficult to read text. I rarely use the TapaTalk app on my Nexus 7 because of this. I wind up using my other devices.
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The main thing I dislike about my Nexus 7 is the colors being too bright.
For instance, the Tapatalk app has a tan/yellowish background with black text. On my iPad and other Android devices it's a medium shade of tan/yellow. Fairly easy to read text. On my Nexus 7 it's a very light tan/yellow, and also the text does not seem to be a dark black. Very difficult to read text. I rarely use the TapaTalk app on my Nexus 7 because of this. I wind up using my other devices.
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Oo I don't have that. the colours are really nice here..
I'm using the N7 especially for reading and xda. Since I have it, I'm using the phone only for texting and messaging..
I love everything about this tab x)
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Buy it. I bought it twice because a month after selling it for the N10 I missed its small form factor when I'm out on the road. For the price and size it is the perfect take a long planner, gps, mp3 player, gaming device and movie player etc. I love my N10 but it is awkward to carry along to appointments, use in the car, train etc.
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