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Anyone else thinking about a tablet?

Apple unfortunately has made tablets seem necessary, when they truly aren't. But as a techie, I feel I should probably get one.
I don't want an iPad or anything to do with Apple. And I'd love to wait until a hybrid model (docking tablet that turns from a mobile OS into a full OS when docked), because they are going to the be the future (quote me).
Should I wait around for the Acer Android 3.0 tablet? Should I wait for a Galaxy Tab price drop? Should I wait for a Windows 8 tablet?
Thoughts?

rorytmeadows said:
Apple unfortunately has made tablets seem necessary, when they truly aren't. But as a techie, I feel I should probably get one.
I don't want an iPad or anything to do with Apple. And I'd love to wait until a hybrid model (docking tablet that turns from a mobile OS into a full OS when docked), because they are going to the be the future (quote me).
Should I wait around for the Acer Android 3.0 tablet? Should I wait for a Galaxy Tab price drop? Should I wait for a Windows 8 tablet?
Thoughts?
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Hmm..well,go on for the Gal tab...You may consider waiting for the other two you mentioned,but considering the high price that they'd be launched,i would prefer a Gal Tab...Apple Sucks...

I hate to say it but if you want a tablet today then you should go with an iPad. It has the platform and the apps plus it'll retain it's resale value once dual-core tablets start hitting the market early next year. I know everyone is complaining that there is no flash on the iPad but the reality is that flash is not viable right now, not for Apple OS and not for Android 2.2.
I've had a chance to play with a Galaxy tab and I fell in love with it but at $600 off contract and $400 with a 2 year contract it doesn't make sense to purchase one. Dual-core tablets will be out early next year that will have Android 3.0 and enough power to run circles around flash. Why would I want to be locked into a 2 year contract or pay $600 for a tablet that will lose a lot of it's resale value in 3 months.
If you have money to burn then get a galaxy tab, if you want to get the most out of your tablet when you decide to resell in a few months then get an iPad, or just wait it out cuz the next generation of tablets are going to see a huge increase in performace and battery life.

ojo8 said:
I hate to say it but if you want a tablet today then you should go with an iPad. It has the platform and the apps plus it'll retain it's resale value once dual-core tablets start hitting the market early next year. I know everyone is complaining that there is no flash on the iPad but the reality is that flash is not viable right now, not for Apple OS and not for Android 2.2.
I've had a chance to play with a Galaxy tab and I fell in love with it but at $600 off contract and $400 with a 2 year contract it doesn't make sense to purchase one. Dual-core tablets will be out early next year that will have Android 3.0 and enough power to run circles around flash. Why would I want to be locked into a 2 year contract or pay $600 for a tablet that will lose a lot of it's resale value in 3 months.
If you have money to burn then get a galaxy tab, if you want to get the most out of your tablet when you decide to resell in a few months then get an iPad, or just wait it out cuz the next generation of tablets are going to see a huge increase in performace and battery life.
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Well, I hate Apple and their motivation enough not to invest. I'm not buying any apps. I want that **** for free. I'm not giving any money to such an elitest tyrant as Jobs, and I'm not paying for something that is made for idiots.
PASS on the iPad recommendation. Thanks though. I'm too smart for Apple products.

rorytmeadows said:
Well, I hate Apple and their motivation enough not to invest. I'm not buying any apps. I want that **** for free. I'm not giving any money to such an elitest tyrant as Jobs, and I'm not paying for something that is made for idiots.
PASS on the iPad recommendation. Thanks though. I'm too smart for Apple products.
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Hell,i'd still recommend the Gal tab...I got that sarcastic note off your post Yet,true,iPad doesn't have much of free apps to play around..It makes no sense to buy an iPad and pay for apps while we buy a Gal Tab and get all the apps free...

rorytmeadows said:
Well, I hate Apple and their motivation enough not to invest. I'm not buying any apps. I want that **** for free. I'm not giving any money to such an elitest tyrant as Jobs, and I'm not paying for something that is made for idiots.
PASS on the iPad recommendation. Thanks though. I'm too smart for Apple products.
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yes... That's the spirit.. I too would prefer plunking my money down on galaxy tab if i had the itch to purchase something right now... The ipad is way too polished, elitist and weirdish.... In my opinion..
Apple products need itunes on pc... And itunes on my pc is the biggest bloatware for me
no doubt it has bigger screen but let us wait and see what do the 2nd gen tabs have to offer.. Maybe the whole ipad phenomenon might get washed out by 2nd gen samsung or dell tablets..

I'm getting a blackpad (officially named Playbook but I like Blackpad better=P). 1Ghz dual core processor, 1GB of RAM, Adobe Flash (Never coming to an Apple product), HDMI output at 1080p, plus HD recording and much more. I'm gooood.

I want one. But I want one with a proper OS, not a mobile OS.
Dell duo? Lets hope it lives up to its hype

lonelykatana said:
I want one. But I want one with a proper OS, not a mobile OS.
Dell duo? Lets hope it lives up to its hype
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I originally wanted the Dell Duo before it was even announced. I was looking for a "netverible" and ended up buying an HP Touchsmart TM2 instead. But now that it's out and the battery life is quoted at ~4 hours, I'd rather wait for next year's processors. Definitely like the hard keyboard. Virtual ones suck and I hate that nobody is willing to admit that.

rorytmeadows said:
I originally wanted the Dell Duo before it was even announced. I was looking for a "netverible" and ended up buying an HP Touchsmart TM2 instead. But now that it's out and the battery life is quoted at ~4 hours, I'd rather wait for next year's processors. Definitely like the hard keyboard. Virtual ones suck and I hate that nobody is willing to admit that.
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Hey wait....I am with you!!!

I thought about it, pondered with the idea of getting one but I think I'll wait for the 2nd gen tabs dual core sounds like something I van hold out for.
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I just don't get it!
Here is an example using my TM2...(typing normally at 82 WPM)
Hard keyboard...
The rain in spain falls mainly on the plain.
Virtual keyboard..
Thw rN IN SPj falls mainly on he plib.
Swype is great, but you have to train it to be.

rorytmeadows said:
I just don't get it!
Here is an example using my TM2...(typing normally at 82 WPM)
Hard keyboard...
The rain in spain falls mainly on the plain.
Virtual keyboard..
Thw rN IN SPj falls mainly on he plib.
Swype is great, but you have to train it to be.
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Well,it doesn't happen with me on the virtual gesture keyboard[the basic one] on my hTC Opal, still,i get fed up of typing when tired. I wish i had a Touch pro series device, but i can't afford it[student] and there is no such occasion coming up so that i can request my dad to gift 1 to me!

a friend of mine is actually getting the Nook Color as a tablet. I might get it.

jonjonk said:
a friend of mine is actually getting the Nook Color as a tablet. I might get it.
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Can you watch porn on it?

I love the effect that google has created with the N7

Google...basically gently rose up from the Shadows. Flexed it's muscles. And instantly KO'd every company making ****ty small tablets.
In one move. One fell swoop.
Speak softly and carrying a big stick. Well Played Google.
While I know we are a bit upset over the sd slot, and hdmi. You've got to admit, this makes pretty much any other 200 tablet a piece of garbage now.
Thoughts?

Lawyers everywhere are celebrating the arrival of the Nexus 7.
Google represents deep pockets, and every two-bit company with ripped-off patents will be looking to cash in.

Nah, they just like to set the price and standards on each subsequent generation of android devices. Asus was going to release it regardless, Google just changed the standard of such devices taking out what we would call standard features that most people won't need and lowing the price on said standard while keeping the same performance.

gotta give google some credit... they have the technology and know how to use it

While I was hoping it would have the original features of the memo pad as revealed as ces I'm thrilled by this tablet. I think having its software come directly from Google and carrying the nexus moniker more than makes up for the hardware changes.
This tablet was an excellent move by Google because not only is it great hardware wise, but the 7 inch market is where they can build a foothold on the tablet market.
I'm happy it is priced so competitively but to scoff at other companies giving less for more money bothers me. Google isn't making profit off this tablet. They hope to raise revenue from play store purchases, etc, but other companies that produce these need to make money off what they build. I don't begrudge them for that. In the end it would be nice for other stockish android tablet makers to either commit to keeping devices on the latest OS, or release source for drivers, etc when they discontinue support for them so that unofficial builds could continue.
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Cel1084 said:
Nah, they just like to set the price and standards on each subsequent generation of android devices. Asus was going to release it regardless, Google just changed the standard of such devices taking out what we would call standard features that most people won't need and lowing the price on said standard while keeping the same performance.
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Let's just hope other oems will follow this standard of pure android and follow the supposed 5 nexus devices this fall. I love my phone but I love pure Google also

Locklear308 said:
Google...basically gently rose up from the Shadows. Flexed it's muscles. And instantly KO'd every company making ****ty small tablets.
In one move. One fell swoop.
Speak softly and carrying a big stick. Well Played Google.
While I know we are a bit upset over the sd slot, and hdmi. You've got to admit, this makes pretty much any other 200 tablet a piece of garbage now.
Thoughts?
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They bought the rights to sell the ASUS ME370T rebranded as the nexus 7 with features removed.
They didn't KO ASUS.
That being said, I'm praying to Moore that their 10" nexus 10 is a rebranded infinity pad from ASUS.

jptech said:
That being said, I'm praying to Moore that their 10" nexus 10 is a rebranded infinity pad from ASUS.
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no way at the rumored $300 price point. plus infinity is already released. no way you will get true HD 1080P nexus tablet with most powerful tegra3 variant(highest clocked, higher voltage, higher clocked gpu, bandwidth on controller increased) for that cheap. we can dream though..lol.
I see a nexus 10 model being closer to transformer 300 minus some features to lower price point. nexus 7 already uses exact same tegra3 chipset as in transformer 300, which is the T30L variant. So Asus/Google could build a Nexus based on that design. minus some features. corners have to be cut to make the cheaper price point.

Cel1084 said:
Asus was going to release it regardless, Google just changed the standard of such devices taking out what we would call standard features that most people won't need and lowing the price on said standard while keeping the same performance.
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Yeah, google's only real contribution here was the hype (not insignifigant). And it's price for meddling was removal of features (like sd card) Asus was probably willing to include.
To be honest, I'm not sure it was worth it. And we can never really know, short of travelling to that alternate reality where Asus did release that $250 memo.
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thebobp said:
Yeah, google's only real contribution here was the hype (not insignifigant). And it's price for meddling was removal of features (like sd card) Asus was probably willing to include.
To be honest, I'm not sure it was worth it. And we can never really know, short of travelling to that alternate reality where Asus did release that $250 memo.
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More realistic for it to have been $350 and have ICS instead of Jelly Bean.

thebobp said:
Yeah, google's only real contribution here was the hype (not insignifigant). And it's price for meddling was removal of features (like sd card) Asus was probably willing to include.
To be honest, I'm not sure it was worth it. And we can never really know, short of travelling to that alternate reality where Asus did release that $250 memo.
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MWBehr said:
More realistic for it to have been $350 and have ICS instead of Jelly Bean.
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I'm pretty sure his 250 quote came directly from Asus back when they announced they where releasing it.

I think N7 is the best move that Google could make with Android tablets. With N7, Google can
1. increase the market share, which is lagging iPad.
2. preempt the 7" iPad mini
3. kill cheap android tablets
4. set a standard to avoid fragmentation
5. diminish perception of android tablet = kindle fire
6. stepping stone for play store's long term success
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It might also bring down the price of some of the higher end tablets (are people really willing to pay an extra $xxx just to get feature xxx?)

Please don't think I'm defending lower hardware specs, but the truth is that Nexus devices are great for their SOFTWARE. Other than the Nexus One, these devices have been great, with good hardware but typically not bleeding edge. They contain enough to do what Google sets out to do. I used to be mad about this but now I'm quite happy. There's more to having a great device than the absolute edge of technology. When I got the Nexus S it was the best Gingerbread phone until Google release the next phone... the Galaxy Nexus. I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus now (ordered int'l in Jan) and though it wasn't the end all of hardware when it came out on paper... it is STILL the best ICS device as well. Now on JB, it simply flies. Why is this?
Simply, the way software and hardware are integrated, it's at Apple levels, dare I say. If you look at superior hardware phones like the One X and SGS III, there are hiccups and hangups or other things created by their custom UI's, etc. Plus, the software is written by Google for the Nexus devices to run well.
I'm not saying the galaxy nexus or other nexus device will have the highest benchmarks or play Temple Run the best, but they tend to function as a whole better than their brethren.
The Nexus 7 seems to be the same way. Jellybean is amazing. As Morfic stated, it makes ICS seem like Vista to Jellybean's Windows 7. It may be basically the same kernel, but it does everything it's predecessor does, better and more. Since they hired Mathias Duarte, I believe Android has not just the most functional OS of mobiles, but also the most cohesive and sharpest looking. All of this is my opinion of course, but I remember when GB came out and compared my Nexus S to the iPhone 4 and thought it still LOOKED a little rough. Now, in addition to it doing more, it looks and feels better as well.
My hope is that the Nexus 7 and Google's focus on this device will bring better Tablet UI apps and allows them to take market share from Apple the way they have done the past few years with their phones.

I think they killed all competition in the 7" Android market entirely I'm guessing, and maybe will do the same to the bigger Android tablets if the rumored 10" is released.
Unfortunately, I think this will cause other companies to not build 7" tablets with better specs since most people aren't going to pay much more to have them.. (Like video out, micro sd, haptic feedback, etc.)
The Toshiba Excite 7.7 16gb @ $500? Dead, dead, dead. Only big difference is microsd and AMOLED. And timely updates from Toshiba? Not likely.
Galaxy Tab 7.7? Hard to say. Only the Verizon model is available directly in the US, so maybe it will hang on since it has cell radio, MHL, haptic feedback, microsd, AMOLED, etc. But then again it's over DOUBLE the price. (Disclaimer: I love mine. Verizon, where is my ICS update????)

There are 10" tablets out there for about the same price as the N7, running ICS, with SD cards etc. And they'll sell about 3 of them - because 'joe public' doesn't buy noname chinese hardware that's (in their mind) 'too cheap'.
A google tablet, on the store shelves next to everything else, with google's name on it - they'll buy that. Then you start to shift a few. Then other manufacturers can start to shift a few, too, because suddenly people have friends with an android tablet and they want one too. 'Not an ipad' ceases to be the death blow that it is currently.

acegolfer said:
I think N7 is the best move that Google could make with Android tablets. With N7, Google can
1. increase the market share, which is lagging iPad.
2. preempt the 7" iPad mini
3. kill cheap android tablets
4. set a standard to avoid fragmentation
5. diminish perception of android tablet = kindle fire
6. stepping stone for play store's long term success
anything I missed?
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a slap in apples face for their overpriced ipad and marketing condescending commercials :good:

TonyHoyle said:
There are 10" tablets out there for about the same price as the N7, running ICS, with SD cards etc. And they'll sell about 3 of them - because 'joe public' doesn't buy noname chinese hardware that's (in their mind) 'too cheap'.
A google tablet, on the store shelves next to everything else, with google's name on it - they'll buy that. Then you start to shift a few. Then other manufacturers can start to shift a few, too, because suddenly people have friends with an android tablet and they want one too. 'Not an ipad' ceases to be the death blow that it is currently.
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But these cheap tablets... The usually have no support, and no software updates, etc. That's also a huge reason ppl don't go buy them.
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Jayrod1980 said:
Please don't think I'm defending lower hardware specs, but the truth is that Nexus devices are great for their SOFTWARE. Other than the Nexus One, these devices have been great, with good hardware but typically not bleeding edge. They contain enough to do what Google sets out to do. I used to be mad about this but now I'm quite happy. There's more to having a great device than the absolute edge of technology. When I got the Nexus S it was the best Gingerbread phone until Google release the next phone... the Galaxy Nexus. I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus now (ordered int'l in Jan) and though it wasn't the end all of hardware when it came out on paper... it is STILL the best ICS device as well. Now on JB, it simply flies. Why is this?
Simply, the way software and hardware are integrated, it's at Apple levels, dare I say. If you look at superior hardware phones like the One X and SGS III, there are hiccups and hangups or other things created by their custom UI's, etc. Plus, the software is written by Google for the Nexus devices to run well.
I'm not saying the galaxy nexus or other nexus device will have the highest benchmarks or play Temple Run the best, but they tend to function as a whole better than their brethren.
The Nexus 7 seems to be the same way. Jellybean is amazing. As Morfic stated, it makes ICS seem like Vista to Jellybean's Windows 7. It may be basically the same kernel, but it does everything it's predecessor does, better and more. Since they hired Mathias Duarte, I believe Android has not just the most functional OS of mobiles, but also the most cohesive and sharpest looking. All of this is my opinion of course, but I remember when GB came out and compared my Nexus S to the iPhone 4 and thought it still LOOKED a little rough. Now, in addition to it doing more, it looks and feels better as well.
My hope is that the Nexus 7 and Google's focus on this device will bring better Tablet UI apps and allows them to take market share from Apple the way they have done the past few years with their phones.
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I agree with you on some of the points but One x and SGSIII are not hick ups. One x might had some problems earlier but SGSIII never had any problem and it is the best ICS phone not Galaxy Nexus. I sold my Galaxy Nexus 2 weeks back and this was the first phone which does not make me feel wow about anything at all. It was doing everything at acceptable level but best at nothing. I agree that at $350 price tag it is a nice phone but I bought this phone only because I was short of money. Google did well with Nexus one, Nexus S and they were indeed best phones but Galaxy Nexus was just okay sort of phone even when it was released last year. I think the new Nexus would be much better which hopefully would be released later this year.
On the other hand what you have said about Nexus 7 on the other hand is true. Even though I have iPad 3 64GB with 4G but I understand what google is trying to do with Nexus 7 and I love what they did. I was looking for a good 7 inch tablet and there was nothing good in the market in 7 inch beside toshiba 7.7 but it was too pricey. Who is going to pay more than 500 for a 7.7 inch android tablet? Google on the other hand done very well by introducing Nexus 7 only for 200 and nothing can beat it at this price point or even nothing with 300 more price tag can beat it. It is even better than Asus Pad TF300 which cost way more than Nexus 7. The 7 inch form factor is also great and google made a very good choice.

Why such a high demand?

Maybe someone already posted this.. but oh well
I've had my GSM Galaxy Nexus since Feb.. and not once has anyone even notice it or asked what kind of phone that is..
Along with that half the people you meet always have something negative to about Android.. rather its not being as smooth as Apple products.. or its just too big..
But Google releases a tablet.. with no kind of public press (and by public i meant TV ads etc at least i haven't seen any) or any kind of notice before hand besides on blogs that i figure only people like me care about (Android Central, The verge etc)
and the thing flys off shelves as soon as they are in stock.. as if it was a Apple product .. and Google is so backed up with orders they didn't even expect this..
What makes the Nexus 7 such a high demand.. we had AOSP tablets before like the XOOM, and Samsung makes some pretty good tablets.. But no one is rushing to buy them, At least from what i remember.. i walked into my Best Buy to buy a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and they had about 30 in stock on launch day. and the Galaxy Tab 2 7" just came out
Is it just the price point? Jelly Bean? (Even tho 9/10 people don't care what OS their on)

It's a few things for me. The price point being the most obvious but the spec at that price is a winner. Backed by the fact that it's a Nexus device so you're gonna get updates also helps.

I think it's the price.
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Price point
High specs
High build quality
Jelly bean
Asus were the only company making the high standard of android tablets, so it made sense for Google to choose them & it looks like they were correct in doing so
I constantly play with my tablet, thinking I would have paid a whole lot more for it.
The only downside for me on this tablet was the 16gb storage, it would have been nice to have 32gb (even if they charged a bit more)
But once you change your habits of not installing everything you own, 16gb is very manageable for me.
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Because this is the first OFIICIAL TRUE AOSP based Google tablet. Xoom was more of unofficial but xoom was way overpriced and had alot of thing going against it from the very beginning. I would think these tablets flying off the shelves because its such a great deal and performs great. One of the best tablets out right now, if not the best period. You get all this power for budget price. If I were you, I'd be trying to get one asap

It's definitely the price point. Flagship android device for that price, I'll take it.
Once I find a job that is.
Congrats to Google though, it's about time an Android tablet starts flying off the shelves.

High end feel and performance for a low-end price.
Jellybean IS buttery smooth, and the Nexus7 feels REALLY fast to use, the screen is georgous, the tablet has a great feel. And it's currently got a bargain price.
I say currently, Clearly by Google pricing it at break-even pricing, other Android tablet vendors don't really stand a chance of competing. So I expect that now Google have shown what can be done with Android tablets, they won't be in too much of a rush to replenish stocks and sell them at the same price. They will have pressure from other Android tablet sellers to give them a break.
In short, expect limited supply and/or price rises for future shipments. You can be sure the $25 play credit will evaporate soon too.

Also with the N7 flying off the shelves it also put pressure on Apple to bring a 7" tablet to the market & the likes of Samsung & others to up their game to offers better specs 7" tablets for around the same price £200.

I gotta agree, it's an amazing tablet, but how the hell does Joe Public know about it?! There's not even a real commercial for it, just a bunch of boring programmers talking about what they have done with it. The only places I've seen it advertised are online ads, but I'm guessing I'm only seeing them everywhere because I've been searching for information about the tablet non-stop.
Either way, I'm glad it's had this popularity. I feel other manufacturers haven't got Tablets "right" yet, and I'm a HUGE fan of Samsung, I try and buy their new tech whenever possible (I have a Samsung: washing machine, TV, monitor, galaxy s2 and laptop) but I couldn't bring myself to purchase their tablet, despite me wanting a tablet for quite some while).
Google needs to take a chunk out of Apple. With Google being almost the opposite of Apple (open source, etc) then I'm glad to see this. Now when my douchbag friends whip out their iPad, I whip out something even better.

Don't want to be negative, but has anyone seen actual sales figures?
I know they are selling out, but how many were available?
Speaking to physical retailers here in the UK, it looks like each store only received a handful (my local PC World got 5).
I would love to see massive success for this tablet, but at this point it doesn't seem clear whether this is high sales levels or just stock shortages.

c0m47053 said:
Don't want to be negative, but has anyone seen actual sales figures?
I know they are selling out, but how many were available?
Speaking to physical retailers here in the UK, it looks like each store only received a handful (my local PC World got 5).
I would love to see massive success for this tablet, but at this point it doesn't seem clear whether this is high sales levels or just stock shortages.
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Right - how do we determine high demand if we don't have any idea of how many were available?

Retailers get them in batches, depending on how many they think they can sell so some will have more than others. I seriously doubt a shop like pcworld would only get 5 per store.
The reason they sold so well is because people (not sheep) bought them based on the reputation of the companies selling them and because they were sold at a fair price for what you are getting. The reason some companies spend a fortune on advertising when releasing a facelift of an outdated product, is because they need to convince their sheep that they need to waste another $400.
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It has to be price. A base model iPod touch costs the same, and you get a quality tablet with superb hardware here.

Definitely top notch hardware for budget price.

Jelly bean is smoother than iOS and wp7 believe it or not
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It is selling so well because of one simple thing,
Mass Market Price Point!
Every electronics firm that doesn't rely on image to sell units aims for this holy grail! This is why Sony and Microsoft re-engineer there devices to reduce costs and RR P's because high quality and keen price king!
The fact that the Nexus 7 offers a quality service at an attractive price point is why it is doing so well!

ray3andrei said:
Jelly bean is smoother than iOS and wp7 believe it or not
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Yep, its great.
Apple used to have the argument of 'we know iOS is boring, can't be customised and is limited in features compared to android, but at least iOS is fast and smooth'
However, JB now makes android fast and smooth, more so than iOS. (Shocked!?)
So, I wonder what excuse is used now
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chrisjcks said:
So, I wonder what excuse is used now
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Isn't it obvious? Last year, Apple told the world about Android fragmentation, and the braindead sheep then repeated this across the internet as if it were fact.
Now Apple has even worse fragmentation problems, that's not talked about anymore, they have now told the world to talk about Android update timescales... And the sheep are telling anyone that wants to listen, how nobody has ICS and so forth...

chrisjcks said:
Yep, its great.
Apple used to have the argument of 'we know iOS is boring, can't be customised and is limited in features compared to android, but at least iOS is fast and smooth'
However, JB now makes android fast and smooth, more so than iOS. (Shocked!?)
So, I wonder what excuse is used now
No excuse l left so
Now they will sue google/asus for making a smooth operating system
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have you picked up a Xoom and then an N7? One feels like the added lead to it... and it is not the N7...
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[Q] Rebuttal to Apple's remark on Nexus 7 ?

Just days before Apple took a dig on n7 claiming it to be a failure cheap plastic having blown up phone app and leps screen estate than the mini and blah blah blah
http://m.cnet.com/news/fact-checking-phil-schiller-on-ipad-mini-vs-nexus-7/57538617
http://512pixels.net/2012/10/keynote-nexus/
What's ur say on that ?

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Just days before Apple took a dig on n7 claiming it to be a failure cheap plastic having blown up phone app and leps screen estate than the mini and blah blah blah
http://m.cnet.com/news/fact-checking-phil-schiller-on-ipad-mini-vs-nexus-7/57538617
http://512pixels.net/2012/10/keynote-nexus/
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The fact they they felt the need to talk about it directly tells you something.

My View, I agree with the above posted.
1 - They are talking about it, it's obviously caught their attention and is effecting them and they don't like it, so they mock it and expect everything to think, oh its Apple they must be right.
2 - Nexus 7 has less screen estate? YES BECAUSE ITS A 7 INCH TABLET, the so called iPad MINI? is a bigger tablet (7.9 inch), therefor not very mini what so ever and is obviously going to have more "Screen Estate" than the Nexus7
3 - Apple are just worried, because people are waking up and realising that a 10 inch tab is a little to big, and clunky and in the iPad's case, HEAVY and makes you feel like you've been weight lifting after a little while of use.
4 - Apple is Apple, this is expected. All they do is ***** and moan (excuse my language) at other companies.
This is only because they realise that since iPhone 3/4? NOTHING HAS CHANGED AND THEY REGURGITATE THE SAME OLD CRAP ! and therefor people are getting BORED of their products, and their method of "Locking" people down and giving them no options or choice.
This is why Android is growing day by day !

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So you get a low rez screen with a old Gen processor, no GPS. rubbish maps, and a simplistic but limiting OS.
And you get to pay MORE for it....
Or as it's been discussed on G+:
The iPad mini size isn't a design choice - it's a technical requirement
Yesterday, Apple when up on stage and put the Nexus 7 and the iPad mini side-by-side. They quickly told us how the iPad mini had a larger screen size and therefore could fit more content in it. But let me make something really, really clear - Apple themselves knows that the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire 7-inch sizes are perfect for their form-factor. The reason they did that comparison was to convince you otherwise because they didn't have a choice but to make their device wider.
Why didn't they have a choice? Well, I've said it once and I'll say it again - iOS apps are ridiculously tailored to their given screen proportions. It's actually disturbing. While Android apps scale properly on multiple screen sizes, form factors, and proportions, iOS apps won't. They're built for the specific screen you develop for. That's why the iPhone 5 goes into letter-box mode until a developer goes back and updates their apps for the new screen size. Yeesh, what a [fragmented] pain!
The iPad mini is completely proportionate to its bigger brother. Therefore, it can run iPad apps. If Apple were to release a 16:9 iPad, developers would all have to go back and reformat their apps for this brand new screen size. Like, once again, we see with the iPhone 5.
So, make no mistake - Apple didn't necessarily want to make the iPad the wide slab it is. It had to because, unlike Android, iOS hasn't been built for scaling.
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(Credit to Anuj Ahooja for this sensible and accurate writing on the subject)

I can understand why Apple now wants to enter the mini-tablet market, but it doesn't look so good on them to release something with lesser specs and missing features from their competitors, at a higher price point too. But, they're Apple. People will buy it because they're familiar with iOS and maybe want something easier to carry around. Maybe they're iPhone owners that have resisted the 10" iPads, but now want something with bigger screen real estate.
I don't want to make excuses as to why it may do well for them, just trying to see it from the view of their target audience. You're probably better off buying a 10" iPad on eBay with better specs.

Well it was just business.They were streaming only to apple owners so of course they would tell them what they wanted to hear.Just selling a product.

Apple are just stuck in a rut whereas they kickstarted the true Touchscreen Smartphone-without-a-hardware-keyboard market and kickstarted the Tablet market.
The iPad Mini, to quote a mate in the local phone shop, is nothing more than an iPad 2 which has been put through too hot a wash in the washing machine...

nice....

Didn't bother reading the specs on the iPad Mini, but there's no GPS? :lol:

There's GPS on the cellular models that will be released later.
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Maybe Apple didn't go for seven inches because it has a patent on 7.9 inches.

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Maybe Apple didn't go for seven inches because it has a patent on 7.9 inches.
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Ye gods, I don't really know why, but but the use decimal fractions for imperial measurements irritates the hell out of me! Whatever happened to sixteenths!
Ought these OEMs moved on to the metric system anyhow!?
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Ought these OEMs moved on to the metric system anyhow!?
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I'm all for metric, but unfortunately the USA, especially engineers, seem to think it is the devil's plaything, possibly because the words sound suspiciously French.
In other comments about the i7.9 I mentioned that it is 15 mm wider than the Nexus 7, which probably rules it out for most jacket pockets. Maybe Apple found that it could not patent pocketability.

Woah, hey there, US engineers don't have anything against the metric system, rather it parses nicely in code. Blame the whole screen size thing on ignorant marketers, we are forced to convert **** because they are idiots and think he customer is as dumb as they are.

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I'm all for metric, but unfortunately the USA, especially engineers, seem to think it is the devil's plaything, possibly because the words sound suspiciously French.
In other comments about the i7.9 I mentioned that it is 15 mm wider than the Nexus 7, which probably rules it out for most jacket pockets. Maybe Apple found that it could not patent pocketability.
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A majority of people in the US have grown up with the imperial system and are most comfortable with that so they use inches, feet, miles. It's as frustrating for Americans to convert metric system to imperial. And anyway, I'm pretty sure the US doesn't have an official system of measurement so they are free to use whatever.
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Amazon is bragging how the iPad Mini spurred Fire HD sales.
http://allthingsd.com/20121026/amazon-says-kindle-withstood-ipad-mini-assault/

As a corollary to the whole "iOS can't scale apps", THAT is why Apple claims to have so many apps. There's a different version for every resolution screen out there. Plus they count each different language as a separate app, too.

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So you get a low rez screen with a old Gen processor, no GPS. rubbish maps, and a simplistic but limiting OS.
And you get to pay MORE for it....
Or as it's been discussed on G+:
(Credit to Anuj Ahooja for this sensible and accurate writing on the subject)
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Also on that on stage comparison both tablets showed the same exact amount of content. One was just bigger.
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Maybe Apple didn't go for seven inches because it has a patent on 7.9 inches.
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LOL!!!

Cheaper, slimmer Google Nexus 7 rumored for Q1 2013

Google may be readying a revamped model of the middle sibling in its Nexus line of Android devices for as early as the first quarter of 2013, if the supply-chain snoops at Taiwanese tech news site DigiTimes are correct.
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/20/google_nexus7_rumors_persist/
Well what do we think?

Not thinking much of anything to be honest.. good for them? I'll remain happy with my 1st gen 16Gb mobel.

A cheaper version is always welcome.
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I could see the Nexus tablet line having the following:
A cheap ($99 seems low, but okay) 7". A higher quality 7" ($200-$250?). High quality 10".
While I have little money for toys, and I like paying low prices as much as anyone, I don't necessarily want a Nexus device that's had every cost corner cut. Especially things like storage and ram, which the current Nexus 7 seems to have slow parts.
Perhaps Google is trying to entice the masses further by lowering the price of a decent device, but I hope they realize that you can't make money off being the cheapest on the market. You might sell more, but your margins are smaller and your support costs are way higher because of cut corners and the sheer amount of people owning one.

I just see a lot of people being disappointed with this new device as you know they will compare it with the first Gen n7. Sometimes cheaper isn't always better.
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I can see why they would want to offer a cheaper N7-type device, but my biggest concern is supply chain issues. The current Nexus 7 is the only device that hasn't had any severe supply issues from the play store in the past few months.... but that's probably mostly because it's already been out for 6 months.

I'm happy enough for my current N7

We have more than enough cheap low-end tablets on the market nowadays..
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I think our N7 is good enough. I don't think I want to replace it.
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They better not! I just bought this thing!

With cortex a8 and adreno 200...

They probably saved money on production by leaving off the bluetooth hardware, since it doesn't work with their software anyways.

gianptune said:
They probably saved money on production by leaving off the bluetooth hardware, since it doesn't work with their software anyways.
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Lol I could`nt agree more
Tapped out from my sexy nexus 7

Adinaky said:
I think our N7 is good enough. I don't think I want to replace it ...
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That's one way to gain market share, N7 were practically sold out everywhere in town over the holidays - DH got herself an iPad2 X'mas 2011 and the iOS people are releasing #5 in March or Spring of 2013 ...
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They better not! I just bought this thing!
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One would be paying more for a used/pre-owned N7 in excellent condition than buying the newest model, cheaper & slimmer. Hmmm :highfive: :fingers-crossed:
Maybe I should return mine to Staple as there is NO restocking fee & no questions asked - and wait for the newer one, 4.1.2 is such a mess in stock form anyway, LOL.

This reminds me of Samsung. They just made a half ass 4in budget phone to sell (S3 Mini). Their intent was to provide a phone for individuals who do not need a power house. The problem is the individuals who review phones like power houses. In many reviews Samsung was ridiculed for making the phone (even though it was meeting their intent). Hopefully Google is not treated the same way.
I can see the headline now, "iPad Mini ($349) dominates against new Google Nexus 7 ($99) .... Google stands no chance".
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Uh60m Pilot said:
This reminds me of Samsung. They just made a half ass 4in budget phone to sell (S3 Mini). Their intent was to provide a phone for individuals who do not need a power house. The problem is the individuals who review phones like power houses. In many reviews Samsung was ridiculed for making the phone (even though it was meeting their intent). Hopefully Google is not treated the same way.
I can see the headline now, "iPad Mini ($349) dominates against new Google Nexus 7 ($99) .... Google stands no chance".
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You're so right, I really like these Nexus phones (4 especially) and Galaxy S3, but the screen size puts me off - it's to big. Gimme a nice 4,2 inch with a decent resolution and I'm sold, but yes, such phones get lost in reviews because they don't stand a chance competing with 6" super triple HD 3D Gorilla Retina screen, 16core CPU and more RAM than my PC has.
I already have a decent tablet (N7), all I want is a decent dual, maybe cheap quad core, ~4" Nexus phone (once I got N7 I realized what android is really supposed to look like, because CM is not stable enough for me to run on my Xperia, so I kept it stock).
Of course Nexus line is only top notch, playing in the big league of S4 and iPhone6, so yes if they released a normal 4" nexus phone, headlines would say "where's your god now Android fans, always you have been bashing iPhones 'small' screen, now you're buying one yourself".
Nexus 7 is cheap enough as it is, we don't need another 800*480 7" tablet, that you can get in the Pharmacy (seriously, I saw some cheap tPads in local pharmacy), make a cheap Nexus phone!

Any news about it?
I'm on a low budget (about $150) and was hoping to get that cheap nexus 7 if it's released
It would be certainly better than those nasty china tablets..

99$?!
Cortex a8 + 512ram?

all i got from that site information is...... "made cheaper . thinner"............mmmmm wow