Is there anyone planning on trying to hack Windows Phone 8 on to Windows Phone 7 handsets? I'd like to get WP8, but I also want to wait to see if there's a Surface Phone announced in the next six months, so I don't want to spend a ton of money on an off-contract Lumia 920 right now.
I'd check if the hardware is up to it ,ice the ram.
The reason they are not being updated I understand is due to the hardware restrictions. They must know a lot of owners are very fed up and would surely update if they could as its a PR disaster for them
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howard bamber said:
I'd check if the hardware is up to it ,ice the ram.
The reason they are not being updated I understand is due to the hardware restrictions. They must know a lot of owners are very fed up and would surely update if they could as its a PR disaster for them
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Well I'm suspecting it may be possible because the HTC HD2 can run Windows Phone 7. I think it may be a bit slow and whatever, but I'd bet it's possible.
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Well I'm suspecting it may be possible because the HTC HD2 can run Windows Phone 7. I think it may be a bit slow and whatever, but I'd bet it's possible.
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The HTC HD2 has exactlly the same chipset on board as the first wave of WP7 handsets used (Qualcomm Snapdragon S1 - QSD 8x50).
Contrary to this WP8 devices all feature at least Dual-Core Snapdragon S4 Chips, while the strongest WP7.5 devices have a Single Core Snapdragon S2 (MSM8255T). The RAM is actually a much smaller problem, given that entry level WP8 devices have 512 MB, same as most WP7 devices.
The hardware should be able to run WIndows 8 without much problems.
The big obstacle ahead is the lack of drivers. We need to create drivers for our chipsets and hack them into Windows Phone 8. We should be able to remove some features that require the dual core processors and other hardware aspects like NFC or secure bot.
But i don't think this will be necessary, as the 7.8 update will do pretty much that and we won't have to bother about it.
Idk about other OEMs, but Nokia is determined to bring as many WP8 features as possible. We probably won't get a file manager and real multitasking, but that is not a big issue.
The HTC 8s has single core and almost the same resolution as 2nd generation wp handsets
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We should be able to remove some features that require the dual core processors
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Ha-ha it's impossible without source code. Or you can easily do it using only assembler?
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But i don't think this will be necessary, as the 7.8 update will do pretty much that and we won't have to bother about it.
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WP7.8 is using wince kernel while wp8 is using NT. They have different API.
2Topicstarter : The answer is NO. WP7 was ported to HD2 and TG01 only because they have the same hardware (SoC and Radio). If you want to use WP8 - buy new phone. Same to android.
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The HTC 8s has single core and almost the same resolution as 2nd generation wp handsets
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It has dual core.
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Ha-ha it's impossible without source code. Or you can easily do it using only assembler?
WP7.8 is using wince kernel while wp8 is using NT. They have different API.
2Topicstarter : The answer is NO. WP7 was ported to HD2 and TG01 only because they have the same hardware (SoC and Radio). If you want to use WP8 - buy new phone. Same to android.
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Whats the catch with the kernel? I'm talking about the features in windows phone 8 that wp 7.8 will bring. The kernel really has nothing to do with those, if they really want to bring em. As i said, we wouldn't get real multitasking, NFC and Directx games(if nokia really wants it, directx can be fixed too).
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It has dual core.
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Whats the catch with the kernel? I'm talking about the features in windows phone 8 that wp 7.8 will bring. The kernel really has nothing to do with those, if they really want to bring em. As i said, we wouldn't get real multitasking, NFC and Directx games(if nokia really wants it, directx can be fixed too).
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The hardware should be able to run WIndows 8 without much problems.
The big obstacle ahead is the lack of drivers. We need to create drivers for our chipsets and hack them into Windows Phone 8. We should be able to remove some features that require the dual core processors and other hardware aspects like NFC or secure bot.
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Maybe I'm drunk (cause I'm from Russia) and unable to read this.
You are drunk
About 7.8: I don't want a kernel change in 7.8 It won't happen. But we will get as many features of windows 8 as our hardware can handle.
Reverse engineering WP8 will do the same. The only advantage it might have over 7.8 is that we will run directx games. The huge disadvantage is that we need to get the source code, hack drivers for our hardware in it, disable the windows phone 8 specific stuff that our hardware does not support. I don't really see such huge benefit in doing it. We are better off waiting for 7.8 instead, which will bring pretty much the same (sans the directx games).
That's what i wanted to say. Sorry I didn't make it clear enough. My bad
That is never going to be possible!!
cant u see the size of the ROMS?
1GB- 1.31 GB
they will never get half the OS on our WP7 nands!
mcosmin222 : mate i meant by the size of the ROMs we download for flashing.
a lumia 800 rom around 320 MB and lumia 820 around 1.2 GB
so the matter of content maybe much larger while talking about porting..
surya467 said:
That is never going to be possible!!
cant u see the size of the ROMS?
1GB- 1.31 GB
they will never get half the OS on our WP7 nands!
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LOLWUT?
The current WP7.5 OS is about 2 GB size.
The smallest WP device is 4GB i think.
So you do the math.
And if you meant RAM, the OS uses around 130 mb.
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You are drunk
About 7.8: I don't want a kernel change in 7.8 It won't happen. But we will get as many features of windows 8 as our hardware can handle.
Reverse engineering WP8 will do the same. The only advantage it might have over 7.8 is that we will run directx games. The huge disadvantage is that we need to get the source code, hack drivers for our hardware in it, disable the windows phone 8 specific stuff that our hardware does not support. I don't really see such huge benefit in doing it. We are better off waiting for 7.8 instead, which will bring pretty much the same (sans the directx games).
That's what i wanted to say. Sorry I didn't make it clear enough. My bad
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Ok, I finally understood
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Ha-ha it's impossible without source code. Or you can easily do it using only assembler?
WP7.8 is using wince kernel while wp8 is using NT. They have different API.
2Topicstarter : The answer is NO. WP7 was ported to HD2 and TG01 only because they have the same hardware (SoC and Radio). If you want to use WP8 - buy new phone. Same to android.
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I have WP8 source code. The drivers are *.sys files. Porting could be possible.
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I have WP8 source code.
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The drivers are *.sys files. Porting could be possible.
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D: D: D:
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I have WP8 source code. The drivers are *.sys files. Porting could be possible.
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WHAT? how...tell meeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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That is never going to be possible!!
cant u see the size of the ROMS?
1GB- 1.31 GB
they will never get half the OS on our WP7 nands!
mcosmin222 : mate i meant by the size of the ROMs we download for flashing.
a lumia 800 rom around 320 MB and lumia 820 around 1.2 GB
so the matter of content maybe much larger while talking about porting..
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I don't think the size is going to be a problem.
If we can hack the entire system, we surely can use our magic to get around the size, if that is an issue.
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WHAT? how...tell meeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Its the 9900 emulator build, which cant run on a phone, but still, you can get the idea!
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Its the 9900 emulator build, which cant run on a phone, but still, you can get the idea!
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Hi Sianto 1977. Can you share source code download link?
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Hey all has anyone been secretly working on the wp7 rom for the X1? if so lets start a thread for it
i don't think its been leaked yet, has it?
Well I dont know if anybody is working but I trying to make this theme
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633755
I love to have WP7 on SEX1 (if it is possible)
I guess hardware requirements wont let you to function smoothly but chefs here can save us with a barebone edition of WP7
Cheers
i hate to break it to u guys, but we don have a proper OEMXip and drivers from wm6.5 which is the same CE version as 6.1
how do u expect a XIP + oemdriver for wm7 when its completely different driver set + newer version of CE.
n lets no forget the touch capacity screen requirement of wm7
so unless MS decides so make it backward compatible to older device, i just don see it. and knowing MS i don think they will. coz they cant sell just an OS at retail. it comes with a device. so if the old device can run 7, it will mean less sell of newer products will be sold and no company would want that.
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i hate to break it to u guys, but we don have a proper OEMXip and drivers from wm6.5 which is the same CE version as 6.1
how do u expect a XIP + oemdriver for wm7 when its completely different driver set + newer version of CE.
n lets no forget the touch capacity screen requirement of wm7
so unless MS decides so make it backward compatible to older device, i just don see it. and knowing MS i don think they will. coz they cant sell just an OS at retail. it comes with a device. so if the old device can run 7, it will mean less sell of newer products will be sold and no company would want that.
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Yes, that's correct.
But can't you guys, extract WM6.5 drivers out of the xperia X2? The hardware is almost 95% the same as our beloved X1 D), right?
sadly we wont be getting windows phone 7
but there are rumors that microsoft is making a sucessor to the 6.5.X line. I really do hope so! CE is soooooo old! and the new 6.X better not be CE.
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Yes, that's correct.
But can't you guys, extract WM6.5 drivers out of the xperia X2? The hardware is almost 95% the same as our beloved X1 D), right?
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Like if the X2 will ever get wm7, stop dreaming
So X2 drivers are useless for wm7 because the drivers are ment for wm6.5
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and the new 6.X better not be CE.
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This doesn't make any sense.
I dont understand this CE thing...can't we update it..AFAIK, its a software version rite???so can't we have it updated on X1???
Pointless in discussing now, as no WP7 betas out... no one knows the final min specs...
might be 1ghz processor with tegra required...
microsoft did say in all the video's i've watched that the min specs will be quite high to ensure that user experience is rich.
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This doesn't make any sense.
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meaning the new 6.X should not be based on CE
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Pointless in discussing now, as no WP7 betas out... no one knows the final min specs...
might be 1ghz processor with tegra required...
microsoft did say in all the video's i've watched that the min specs will be quite high to ensure that user experience is rich.
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I happened to see some windows 7 add on youtube which has a pyramid hovering over all users... and i think the guy is using windows 7 phone operating series (or whatever they call it) ..... the good thing about it is that the guy is using an xperia X1. Now i know that there is a good chance the screens were added post recording and are all fake... but lets all just keep our hopes high and fingers crossed
i'm not very sure about drivers. We have seen that htc devices are quite similar about hardware so maybe possible, as we are already doing with wm 6.5, to use drivers of other devices.
cant we update the CE..
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cant we update the CE..
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If you mean update the CE to CE7 then No, as stated above it is pointless to even be discussing this right now since we don't even have the proper hardware/drivers to even run WP7 properly and the beta isn't even out yet, your just going to have to wait for 6.6.
If you guys want WP7 so badly try upgrading to new hardware.
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i'm not very sure about drivers. We have seen that htc devices are quite similar about hardware so maybe possible, as we are already doing with wm 6.5, to use drivers of other devices.
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Yeah, but like if they build an htc with such low-end hardware like the xperia for such a high-end os like windows phone 7, no way thats gonna happen. No way they are gonna beat iPhone then.
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i'm not very sure about drivers. We have seen that htc devices are quite similar about hardware so maybe possible, as we are already doing with wm 6.5, to use drivers of other devices.
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We are not using drivers from other phones. Atleast not the whole OEM shizzle. Drivers(except some video drivers etc) are device specific and can't be used on other devices
min specs for WP7 is quite high... i read snapdragon +1Ghz CPU would be required...
credit to msoft for raising the bar (ensuring user experience will be similar all round)
sadly this means that our qualcomm 528mhz processor + ati graphics might not cut it...
While this does make wp7 look nice with the high specs, it would also make the phones more expensive. Though, snapdragon should be cheaper by then.
WP7-lite for us 528mhz people!
Since now we know MS will not be supporting older devices for wp8 upgrde, is it possible that a custom rom be made to run on older devices?
I dont think so, sadly. because windows phone 8 will be configured for at least dual core i suspect, only rom we might get is a tango like rom (think lumia 610) not capable of running all apps.
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I dont think so, sadly. because windows phone 8 will be configured for at least dual core i suspect, only rom we might get is a tango like rom (think lumia 610) not capable of running all apps.
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so its not possible at all?
It was announced yesterday so i suggest you wait for leaked roms so that devs can take a look.. sit tight.. no one can anwser you for sure what will happen in the future.. for me i'll get a new phone anyway
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Not sure yet! The rom is not available still so we can't be sure of anything....once it releases lets just hope the DFT team releases a rom
hope it can be ported over. just like how they ported wp7 to Hd2
i dont see why it cant be ported. unless the bare minimum is dual core. but I doubt they let go of the cheaper market. with that being said i believe we will see a port to the htc devices like the hd7 because it actually has a sd slot.
the cpu support would be the largest of our problems. drivers are what windows is know for. a newer kernal without the correct drivers may leave us stranded on 7.8 but not tango. our devices are on parr with newer genration wp7 but lack camera features. so EXPECT 7.8!
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i dont see why it cant be ported. unless the bare minimum is dual core. but I doubt they let go of the cheaper market. with that being said i believe we will see a port to the htc devices like the hd7 because it actually has a sd slot.
the cpu support would be the largest of our problems. drivers are what windows is know for. a newer kernal without the correct drivers may leave us stranded on 7.8 but not tango. our devices are on parr with newer genration wp7 but lack camera features. so EXPECT 7.8!
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wp8 runs on scalable cpu architecture. means the 2nd core can be switched off.
so Theorertically it runs on single core if no heavy load is present
will the HD2 still run WP8 or is our hardware that old? what would be the minimum phone that can run WP8? :silly:
WP7 is rally fast in the HD2 & it runs really well, i hope the same can be said for wp8.
If you currenty own a Windows phone, it can NOT run windows phone 8, thats it.
You must buy a new phone with windows phone 8 on it.
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If you currenty own a Windows phone, it can NOT run windows phone 8, thats it.
You must buy a new phone with windows phone 8 on it.
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why did u say that? hd2 is a legend. born as wp6.5 device, got android port and now upto 4.0.4, lol it is one of the device that actually run 4.0.4 before any other official updates. and it have fully working wp7.5 tango running on it. and is 8779.8 version update( lol i m not sure if any official updates have gone so far). and i am not planning to mention other os's that runs on hd2.
the only thing that hd2 lacks is current dual/quad cores and gpu's. any how it have a descent cpu of 1ghz single core ( functions flawless upto 1.5 ghz oc) and enough gpu to run wp7.5 pretty fast( even hd7 wont run that much fast).
and i am dam sure hd2 will be running wp8 pretty soon.. ( may be before any official wp8 device!!!!!!!)
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I seriously doubt it. The devs have moved on to new devices.
Maybe they'll try to port it but it would be a ton of hard work because they switched from Windows CE to Windows 8 kernel. Also, WP7 only got ported because some drivers from Microsoft got "leaked" since Microsoft were using the HD2 to develop WP7 anyway.
But hey, never say never!
hd2 wp8
I personally think there will be Windows phone 8 interface to HD2
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Watch the attitude...
We won't see WP8 for the venerable HD2 because of the simple fact that WP8 has a new kernel. So you would have to rewrite every driver of each hardware component like CPU, Radio, GPU, Wifi, Bluetooth etc. And I really doubt someone will accomplish that.
Guys Just relax,There's DFT
I belive there will be a new MAGLDR version when wp8 is on the way of HD2.
Lets see. How it goes
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will the HD2 still run WP8 or is our hardware that old? what would be the minimum phone that can run WP8? :silly:
WP7 is rally fast in the HD2 & it runs really well, i hope the same can be said for wp8.
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Yes the HD2 has been seen running test versions of WP8.
The important question is whether it will be possible to flash it in such a way to make it run on the HD2 once WP8 is out.
MS is very keen on the secure boot feature of the new snapdragon chips which is partly why we won't see WP8 for our current devices.
I hope someone with more knowledge can elaborate on this´.
The chip is called TPM which will be responsible for the secure boot procedure.
http://wmpoweruser.com/trusted-platform-modulethe-secret-of-microsofts-attack-on-rim/
Despite all aspects, if look on new HTC devices specification, clearly HD2 if good enough to run WP8. Spec is same like low new model.
It is just up to guys from Dark Force and others.
Hey guys, as my colleague has already stated above, please watch the attitude and show each other some respsect.
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Hey guys, do you think it is worth to buy a HD2 now? I really miss the WM, but I like the WP too, mostly because I already got used with it.
Can the HD2 dual-boot WM and WP? Would not be kinda late to buy one?
Since my 200Mhz Gene is almost useless, and my Lumia won't be upgraded to WP8 anyway, I thought it is a good ideia. What you think?
Thanks.
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mateus_rachid said:
Hey guys, do you think it is worth to buy a HD2 now? I really miss the WM, but I like the WP too, mostly because I already got used with it.
Can the HD2 dual-boot WM and WP? Would not be kinda late to buy one?
Since my 200Mhz Gene is almost useless, and my Lumia won't be upgraded to WP8 anyway, I thought it is a good ideia. What you think?
Thanks.
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Absolutely. It's one of the best Windows mobile 6 devices, and it also runs Android (as a joke, you can even run WM7 on it, but the worst part of censorship is *******************).
- 2 Bunny
kainppc6700 said:
Absolutely. It's one of the best Windows mobile 6 devices, and it also runs Android (as a joke, you can even run WM7 on it, but the worst part of censorship is *******************).
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And it actually shipped with WM5.x... At least my Telstra HD2 I bought for AT&T did. It's probably the most versatile phone ever made.
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Jc61990 said:
If you currenty own a Windows phone, it can NOT run windows phone 8, thats it.
You must buy a new phone with windows phone 8 on it.
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The OP asks if the HD2 can possibly run WP8. In case you weren't paying attention before launching your tirade, the HD2 is a Windows MOBILE device. As in, started life as a WM6.1 phone and is the only device that has been modified to run Android AND WP7 successfully. It is not a stretch to think that some clever devs will try to do it, purely for ****s and giggles. Forget about different kernels and any other obstacles, that is irrelevant. Being able to proclaim "I did it!" is satisfaction enough.
Good thing hackers don't all think like you, there would never have been an xda.
i remember that when WP7 launched,,some ppl said "WP7 wont work on HD2 cuz hardware stuck, new file structure bla bla bla,,, " ,, now when i see ppl talking about WP8 wont work on HD2 cuz new kernel and bla bla,, its being funny... This is XDA,, dont be precise when you talking about "hacking"... i am sure if XDA devs want to make it works on HD2 they will do it,, remember Android and WP7 on HD2 process.. yes devs move to new devices,, yes HD2 is pretty old,, but HD2 is a legend,, i can tell that some devs gonna try just because its HD2... wm6.5 wp7 and android,, why not WP8??
Because WP8 is a completely different OS, altogether.
Giving it to current devices as a scaled version as 7.8 is the most they could do.
Now, its a OS, proper modding and changes could get it to the HD2 or even the current devices, except the GPU rendering, its too much for a single core.
The most you will get is the HS and integrated stuff, you wont be able to play the games WP8 devices can play!
this is still a 50:50 thought.
Wp8 HD2
Can't wait to see new WP8 on the history making HD2! Hopefully..
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Can't wait to see new WP8 on the history making HD2! Hopefully..
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...& for the moment care to try Triple Boot? via native SD?
check out the link below
is there any way to install wp8 on a wp7 phone?
Really ? Did you do any homework or read any of the blogs about Windows Phone 8 ? I guess not. A key word that you should know is "search" as you would of found your answer.
To answer your question, NO. Window Phone 7 users will get a upgrade to Windows Phone 7.8 and it will give you the new start menu of Windows Phone 8 but, nothing else.
Windows phone 7.8
There will be update to wp7/wp7.5 called wp7.8 and you have same interface than Windows phone 8
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is there any way to install wp8 on a wp7 phone?
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I'm pretty sure we'll be able to put some sort of custom ROM WP8 on a WP7 device.
Other than the secure boot, which should hopefully be easily turned off, I haven't seen anything which would prevent the OS from running on a WP7 device.
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Really ? Did you do any homework or read any of the blogs about Windows Phone 8 ? I guess not. A key word that you should know is "search" as you would of found your answer.
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really? did you do any homework or read any blogs about how to get laid as a nerd? i guess not. a key word you should know is "balls," as you'd require a pair as a real man and help you stop masterbating at online porn, move out your mom's house, and finally get laid at 43 years of age.
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There will be update to wp7/wp7.5 called wp7.8 and you have same interface than Windows phone 8
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thanks hetwo.
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I'm pretty sure we'll be able to put some sort of custom ROM WP8 on a WP7 device.
Other than the secure boot, which should hopefully be easily turned off, I haven't seen anything which would prevent the OS from running on a WP7 device.
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thank you too.. its good knowing there are some decent intelligent people out there willing to answer questions without having to be a disrespectful troll.
Hey guys,
Firstly please don't get this wp8 forum off to a bad start and keep flaming each other? Respect each other and the rules please :cyclops:
Secondly, from my understanding current hardware specs of wp7 phones are not high enough, do not meet, wp8 requirements so the answer is probably no. The official line is a definate no, wp7 devices, even new ones like lumia 900 will not get wp8 update
Hopefully soon wp8 on WP7 by Custom Rom
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Secondly, from my understanding current hardware specs of wp7 phones are not high enough, do not meet, wp8 requirements so the answer is probably no. The official line is a definate no, wp7 devices, even new ones like lumia 900 will not get wp8 update
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Definitely not via an update, that's clearly been addressed by Microsoft. However existing WP7 hardware is surely powerful enough to run WP8. The single core processor is definitely not a problem, and low end WP8 devices are looking to be lower in specs than current WP7 devices.
I'm no expert in usermode on WP, but I know the NT kernel extremely well, and it's more than capable of running on our hardware.
Some body will hack it
Sent from my Lumia 900 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
Only problem maybe drivers. It is Microsoft way to release oem from out of warranty obligation to keep an outdated product updated.
Who wants to sell one shirt and that person never buys another because it last too long. I understand wanted to save money. But how can they keep making money if the people that work for them is trying to make something2 years old work off of the mere 500$ the phone is worth. Hey has to make money or they will disappear like farmer jack and circuit city
Sent from my HD7 T9292 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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really? did you do any homework or read any blogs about how to get laid as a nerd? i guess not. a key word you should know is "balls," as you'd require a pair as a real man and help you stop masterbating at online porn, move out your mom's house, and finally get laid at 43 years of age.
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Hahaha. If you read ANY PLACE on this site, it says to SEARCH before posting.
You must not know how to read. This has been a major topic of discussion over every Windows Phone 7 related site.
It does not take a geek or loser like yourself just to spend 2 min reading before posting a subject that has been posted everywhere.
The new upgrade goes to the NT kernal over the WinCE one. That does take more horsepower than current devices can do. It will have native support for C++ and a lot of other modern tech (NFC and others). The current chipset in current devices will not be able to handle it with reasonable performance. As I understand it.
IF some hacker was to create a rom for a current device, it would not support more than 1/2 of the OS and the performace would not be anything worth using unless they stripped everything out.
It's really questionable if a hacker will be able to get it working on current devices and what type of performance. If you really want to know the changes, it's a little long but, it really shows what it can and will do...
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Windows-Phone/Summit
It's the full streaming event, and it's almost 2 hours but, it's impressive and I can see why they went this route.
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The new upgrade goes to the NT kernal over the WinCE one. That does take more horsepower than current devices can do.
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Absolutely not true. The NT kernel will run on seriously low specs without any issues. It'll happily run on an old pentium 233 and 32MB RAM without any notable issues in performance. In fact,WP7 hardware is sufficient to run full blown Windows 7, not just the NT6 kernel (assuming the processor was x86 and not ARMv7)
I don't se drivers being a huge blocker as the number of drivers for NT6 is huge, and even in the worst case scenario any drivers we may be missing can be written.
It'll be interesting to see how quickly someone gets WP8 running on a WP7 device.
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Absolutely not true. The NT kernel will run on seriously low specs without any issues. It'll happily run on an old pentium 233 and 32MB RAM without any notable issues in performance. In fact,WP7 hardware is sufficient to run full blown Windows 7, not just the NT6 kernel (assuming the processor was x86 and not ARMv7)
I don't se drivers being a huge blocker as the number of drivers for NT6 is huge, and even in the worst case scenario any drivers we may be missing can be written.
It'll be interesting to see how quickly someone gets WP8 running on a WP7 device.
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It's a good question. As I got that from a Tweet by someone at MS. As I understand Windows 8 has a updated kernel that they are using on WP8. Not sure on it, as I thought it was the same as you (I'm a 20 year Windows Systems admin, I know the NT kernel COULD run on 286 machines if needed, not sure on the updated one, just going on what I heard).
It might of been the option of forcing users to have not hard reset their phones (like going from 32bit to 64-bit, no upgrade path) and that would cause a big impact on customer reports. As I have understood from watching the whole MS thing on it, it came down to performance problems that ended it before it started. Some chipsets to support the new OS are not on WP7 devices, so it limits the options current users can take advantage of.
It's not just about the devices and the end users , its' about the PR nightmare. Any press is good but, bad press is a whole different story. In a year or 2 no one will even talk about this. Android does this all the time and even Apple did it to their first gen device.
Who knows. Maybe one of the great hackers here or DFT will make it run on a current device. It makes me question it though.
As long as WP7 devices have been out, Not one WM 6.5 devices (not incuding the HD2 as it was used as a test device for MS on WP7 and drivers were leaked) got a WP7 upgrade OR No Android device got WP7 or the other way around. There are plenty of Android devices or even a handful of 6.5 devices that could of run WP7 fine.
The hackers can do only so much but, time will tell, I just wonder IF POSSABLE (with out MS), just how long it would take.
It will be interesting to see tho...
I do know I am about 95% sure I will be buying one on release, just depending on the models on release.
The reason for almost none of the 6.5 devices running WP7 could be that most of the old devices running 6.5 didn´t have the needed display (capacitive and the WP7 resolution) or processor. Take the Toshiba TG01: resistive display and higher resolution.
btw....moved to Q&A:good:
this will be possible atleast for hd7 and focus 1st gen:good:
hackarchive said:
this will be possible atleast for hd7 and focus 1st gen:good:
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for hd7? i see...
hackarchive said:
this will be possible atleast for hd7 and focus 1st gen:good:
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Just wondering... Where did you get your info on that ? Your HD7 and focus besides the display and case is almost like every other Windows Phone 7 device (standard hardware across all models).
Even though it has been clearly said by Microsoft that NO 1st or 2nd gen devices will get the update you seem to think the HD7 will.
Maybe it's me but, I'm smelling a little BS here....
Unless Microsoft says that they will be updating or DFT decides to dig in, your not getting a upgrade on any first or 2nd gen device and that includes the HD7 and Focus.
The problem with the kernel is not that it by itself would need that much power to run but rather that they would have to develop loads of drivers for it to work, as they would not be able to use those that already exist for Windows CE.
A bigger problem might be the Bootloader process. The NT Kernel at least on ARM requires an UEFI firmware which is likely to be pretty different from the bootloaders we currently have on our phones.
So the steps would be:
- Develop an UEFI firmware for current WP7 hardware (HSPL needed because it would replace the old bootloader) - including UEFI hardware drivers
- Develop drivers for the chipsets from scratch
- Find out on how many hardware characteristics Microsoft chose to rely that are simply not there on old devices
I'm not saying that it is impossible to do or that it won't ever be done but I guess until it's done almost no one will still be using such an old phone.
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Hahaha. If you read ANY PLACE on this site, it says to SEARCH before posting.
You must not know how to read. This has been a major topic of discussion over every Windows Phone 7 related site.
It does not take a geek or loser like yourself just to spend 2 min reading before posting a subject that has been posted everywhere.
The new upgrade goes to the NT kernal over the WinCE one. That does take more horsepower than current devices can do. It will have native support for C++ and a lot of other modern tech (NFC and others). The current chipset in current devices will not be able to handle it with reasonable performance. As I understand it.
IF some hacker was to create a rom for a current device, it would not support more than 1/2 of the OS and the performace would not be anything worth using unless they stripped everything out.
It's really questionable if a hacker will be able to get it working on current devices and what type of performance. If you really want to know the changes, it's a little long but, it really shows what it can and will do...
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Windows-Phone/Summit
It's the full streaming event, and it's almost 2 hours but, it's impressive and I can see why they went this route.
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Helooo???
Low end WP8 devices will have lower HW specs than some current WP7 devices.
WP8 could run very well on a focus s or HD7 or any other.
There will be custom roms for many current devices, there are many smart guys here that I'm sure will try to do this. Let's hope they will manage to do it.
"◦Multi-core processor support: As reviewers have noted, Windows Phone runs buttery smooth on phones with a single processor. But piggybacking on the Windows core provides support for multiple cores—so we’re ready for whatever hardware makers dream up."
now alot of people have been under the impression that multicore is the minimum for wp8 when i say that is not true!
windows 8 can run on a pentium 4 or intel atom with a single 1ghz then we will see wp8 devices with single cores. the future "minimum spec"
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"◦More flexible storage: Windows Phone 8 supports removable MicroSD cards, so you can stuff your phone with extra photos, music, and whatever else is important to you, and then easily move it all onto your PC."
the hd7 has a removable storage already. the only way we wont see a port is if the rom is too large for what we already have. this being said and carefully examined they didnt rule it out. but they didnt want to say yes and OEMs cant sell new devices if the older ones keep selling. so they wont "offically bring the update to wp8"
also it is being observed that sdxc cards are working in android phones so storage issues may not be a problem either for us!
here at xda-developers we have been unoffically updating devices for over a decade! so I dont think we are in the dark, our minds have such strong innovative imaginations we can see the light with our eyes closed!
yes its possible...MS has been testing wp8 on older HTC devices. it showed up in some logs which was recently being leaked on the internet
Besides this, wp8 during the summit conference was shown runnng on a nokia qualcomm prototype which isnt likely to be a S4 but older processor
HD7 will also run Windows Phone 9 ! happy !
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HD7 will also run Windows Phone 9 ! happy !
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What? where are you basing this on?
backlashsid said:
HD7 will also run Windows Phone 9 ! happy !
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What? where are you basing this on?
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And 10 too! :highfive:
Oh cmon stop spaming the forum with this crap. Sit tight until its released and then you can talk about possebilities when devs get a hold of a rom
we need the first test wp8 rom to be leaked first .
no one has it now
so its hard to expriment with it
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What? where are you basing this on?
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straight insider from Microsoft ! :laugh:
ewe959 said:
straight insider from Microsoft !
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u shall be reported for duplicate and spam posts.
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u shall be reported for duplicate and spam posts.
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hey keep hope alive lol. but to be completely honest I see it as very possible. the only limitation would be rom. because in reality windows 8 can run on a single processor so can wp8 it just has support for multiple processors. so we can run the hd7 drivers in compalitbity mode! :fingers-crossed:
the difference between wp8 and wp7 is that wp8 has support for newer hardware. this means that wp8 can run on newer hardware but does not mean it cannot run on older hardware.
The reason Windows Phone 8 might be a possibility is because there have been evidence which show that Microsoft was testing Windows Phone 8 builds on the HD7. Lets wait and see what happens.
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The reason Windows Phone 8 might be a possibility is because there have been evidence which show that Microsoft was testing Windows Phone 8 builds on the HD7. Lets wait and see what happens.
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yeah lets see what happens..afterall wp7 was ported over to the HD2 without a hitch
If wp8 will not work on hd7 I will use the Android phones
As much as I love my HD7 (I still use it for xbox live games and music it's getting pretty long in the tooth now), I'm looking forward to seeing what HTC does with the new OS (WP8) and even Nokia with their PureView tech! The HD7 imo didn't get the same sort of community backing as the HD2 did, i'd almost bet that the HD2 has more chance of seeing a WP8 rom than the HD7 does, but i'm simply having a joke about. :angel:
WP8 on the HD7 will most likely depend on whether or not NT kernel drivers can be written for it. This probably won't be until HTC roms get leaked.
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