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Is there a list of 'official' roms?

I was wondering if there is a list somewhere of "official" roms. By that, I mean manufacturer created. We have the usual Android that is made by Google and also the HTC Hero rom, but there are others on the way (like the moto blur and whatever SE have in the works) and I would like to see what I can do with them, which parts can be used in custom roms and just generally have a tinker.
I know there are lists of the custom roms around, but is there something like that for manufacturer roms?

Dev phone 1http://www.htc.com/www/support/android/adp.html#s3
Google I/O Device (Ion)http://www.htc.com/www/support/andro...io-device.html
Here's two.

There's a question mark in the thread title, so I can see why Q&A would be a highly inappropriate place for this thread
Testing has listed the ION/ADP1 ROM links, Rogers HTC Dream ROMs do have to be ported to the T-mobile G1, so there's no point in finding links for the original ROM. I don't believe any MotoBlur ROMS *shudder* have been released.

Ah my apologies, I sometimes forget the other sections exist since I spend all of my time in the this part.
Thanks for the links. Well your shudder at the moto blur rom is kind of my point. There's bound to be some parts of it which are nice and can be put to use in other roms, which is why I'm looking for a list of the manufacturer roms. I'm kind of hoping if Android gets ported to platforms other than mobiles we will start to see features that can be used on our phones which expand on the standard smartphone features. That's when Android will really start to take down the iPhone.

Is there a list of 'official' roms?
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is there a Q&A section?

stefan.buddle said:
is there a Q&A section?
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Was your aim to point out what was already pointed out?
If it was, congratulations. I already apologised. Try reading the rest of the topic in future.
I can't move it now so you'll just have to stop crying.

[Q] As more and more ROMs are released, what is the difference between them all?

Hey all,
As the Captivate becomes more popular, I'm seeing more and more ROMs pop up. Problem is, I can't quite figure out the differences between most of them. They all seem to have the exact same features.
Currently on the front page I see:
Cognition
Perception
AXURA
Assonance
di11igaf's ROM
eSPyeL's ROM
As I look through the features, most of it looks pretty similar. So my question is, can anyone break down the key differences between the ROMs? While we're at it, maybe we can discuss the different kernels too?

This belongs in Q & A not in development please!
We need to keep this area clean for development threads only.
Regards

Ugh, sorry. I feel like a dumbass.

shaolin95 said:
This belongs in Q & A not in development please!
We need to keep this area clean for development threads only.
Regards
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thecoolestcow said:
Ugh, sorry. I feel like a dumbass.
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damn I m too late to flame the thread

None of the people who frequent the Q&A forums are of any help :-/

DAGr8 said:
damn I m too late to flame the thread
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Of course you are too late, look, that other guys has flames in his sig, you know he means business when flaming! lol
Anyway, read the OP on each rom, they all have different things
To the Q&A!!

Thecoolestcow has a good point... plus 90% of the posts in the dev threads are 'omg I can't wait'/'hey good job'/'wah wah im a noob' .
Seriously...1000 pages on a dev thread... that's beyond useless.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

More effective thread locking please.
Could we have something besides community flaming to deter the junk posters?

thecoolestcow said:
None of the people who frequent the Q&A forums are of any help :-/
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I make it a point to come to Q&A and try and help.
The problem is the overwhelming number of ZOMG WUT DU I DOOOO threads that push valid questions down to oblivion.

410 views and nobody has answered his question.
As far as I know (which may contain incorrect information), each rom is built off the same base rom. There are captivate based frameworks and i9000 based frameworks. Then there are kernels and models.
Some roms emphasize stability, they do not use the latest overclocked kernels, they stick to stock filesystems etc. Other roms emphasize the latest breakthroughs in Galaxy S modifications (1200-1600mhz OC/UV, speedtweaks, filesystem changes). Another rom may emphasize reduced-bloat, everything is stock but theres no crapware. And on top of it all, everyone mixes and matches kernels and modems (but most are on JK3 and i9000 Kernels, though most use SeitroN's and DG has his own). On top of all that, developers apply themes that they like (all of which you can customize yourself).
I hope that helped. I haven't researched deeply into each rom, but this is just what I've deducted.

[Q] Hey Devs, whatcha gonna do with the new Froyo source?

Unless I'm mistaken, there now is only one Dev out there that has stuck by Captivate code. As someone who places a high value on the Audience voice chip on the AT&T devices, I am very interested to see if more devs will look at this newly released source and make something of it, either new or port their existing top-notch work. I've tried, and liked, many of the I9000-based ROMs, but I keep coming back to the Cappy-based ones due to the voice quality.
So Devs... any interest? I'm sure that I'm not alone from a user perspective.

I would like to see a kernal based off the released source that also has the voodoo sound added to it. I am sure there is a lot that can be done and it will take some time.

I was thinking of flashing to something new, but with the source available, I think it's time to be patient. Can't wait for a semi-up to date ROM with full captivate compatibility!

this belongs in Q&A section

I believe whole heartedly that the ROMS the DEVs are putting out are fantastic and do everything I want and need in a ROM.
OTHER then the audiance chip support. It would be cool to have in the roms as an ability but not necessarily required.

See sig below - this post doesnt belong here. *facepalm* The devs will do what they do, when they decide they wanna do it - noobs coming in here constantly asking for sh*t only irritates them and pushes them away from bringing us the good stuff....

bames said:
this belongs in Q&A section
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I thought about that, but I put it here for two reasons:
The developers come here regularly, and not necessarily the Q&A section
This is a question directed directly at the devs, not necessarily the user community
Make sense?

Devs still read the Q&A - how about reading the forum rules and abiding.... this is un-needed clutter in the Dev section

dalewest said:
I thought about that, but I put it here for two reasons:
The developers come here regularly, and not necessarily the Q&A section
This is a question directed directly at the devs, not necessarily the user community
Make sense?
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Regardless, if you feel the need to post about this topic in this section, there is already a thread about it. Post your question in there. No need for another thread.

jgc121 said:
See sig below - this post doesnt belong here. *facepalm* The devs will do what they do, when they decide they wanna do it - noobs coming in here constantly asking for sh*t only irritates them and pushes them away from bringing us the good stuff....
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Not trying to start a flamewar or anything... while I only joined last November, and my post count is indeed low, please don't assume that I'm here asking for candy. I comb these forums many times daily, and only post when I can't find the answers I'm looking for.
As for irritating the devs by asking for stuff... I've noticed that for the most part, they actually like the feedback, and want to know what the users like. I see no problem with providing input. Like I said, I posted here because the Devs come here, and not so much to the Q&A section.
Lastly (and maybe this should have been clearer in my OP), only one dev seems to be working on Captivate kernels, with the rest working on I9000 (since source has been around a long while). What with new hardware around the corner, dev interest for the Cappy might be waning. I thought it a fair question.

dalewest said:
I thought about that, but I put it here for two reasons:
The developers come here regularly, and not necessarily the Q&A section
This is a question directed directly at the devs, not necessarily the user community
Make sense?
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No..does not make sense. If you read the forum rules it will be clear why it doesn't make sense.
Not trying to start a flame war either was just trying to redirect you and prevent further endless flaming if you continued to post in the wrong section.

Last thing I wanted was to tick people off
But it seems that's exactly what happened.
Apologies to those that I irritated, especially the Developers to whom this thread was directed.
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dalewest said:
I thought about that, but I put it here for two reasons:
The developers come here regularly, and not necessarily the Q&A section
This is a question directed directly at the devs, not necessarily the user community
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So just coz it says "Hey devs" means it should go to the Dev section?
I thought the development section was actually for development... Apparently I was wrong
uuugh..

bames said:
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Agree completely!! Dev(s) do read other forums

I have question about the source code that was just released. How do I implement it into my build enviroment?
I mean ok I extract the file. Then read the readme file. It says to overwrite the modules I want to build. Is there a general rule to what should and should not be over written. I have compiled the generic code but nothing device specific.

OMG! You DARE to post here?
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But it seems that's exactly what happened.
Apologies to those that I irritated, especially the Developers to whom this thread was directed.
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LOL. No apologies needed. This thread that you started is essentially the same as opcow's, except that he posted the news before you did. All that followed in his thread, however, was very similar to the responses in your thread.
Similar, but different - different because the hall monitors didn't flame anyone in that thread! Why not?? Because, methinks, for the most part, those in the other thread were more "senior" than thee, Mr. Dalewest. Get it? There's a pecking order here that must not be violated.
Strange, but I didn't notice any ROM devs complaining in your thread or Opcow's. I did, however, see some silliniess in the other thread, such as "Charlie Sheen throwing some pixie dust" into the new ROMs, but no cries of outrage over that. Then come some self-appointed spokespersons for the devs in your thread saying the devs this, the devs that, "Ooh, the devs are going to get upset," etc. [Sigh]
The source of KB1 dropping has been mentioned since yesterday or before in various threads here, and I didn't see any devs getting upset about it. The KB1 source dropping is certainly related to development. IMO it's perfectly fine to post it in Development. Your are not asking a general question - you are asking what the devs have in mind vis a vis development, now that KB1 has dropped.
That said, given that there was already another thread, you shouldn't have started another one. Consider your wrist slapped, ha, ha.

dalewest said:
But it seems that's exactly what happened.
Apologies to those that I irritated, especially the Developers to whom this thread was directed.
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no worries.
not ticked here. my original post was just to redirect you and try to help you avoid the flood of responses and/or flames that were sure to come.

[QUESTION]Ice Cream Sandwich on Galaxy Tab?

I know it has been announced only a few hours ago and the source is not available yet. But, when Google finally releases the source code, will there ever be a ROM for the original Galaxy Tab?
I am curious because the answer to this question will help me resist the new tablet temptation

Having a hard time with HC, I doubt it with ICS....even the GB ROMs are not very polished, like Overcome causes warming up problem....

It can be short...
Maybe it will arrive sooner as we think, not with cyanogenmod, even if i want it on my tab, but with MIUI, I just read on the MIUIteam fr that MIUI have the source since they have the status of developpers with the XIAOMI, and they are already work on the Mi-one and the two nexus, so maybe the us team who develop the MIUI Rom for our tab will be able to port ISC on the galaxy tab?
I just hope that we can have ISC on our tab before Christmans it will be great!

ICS
From the news:
"Gabe Cohen from Google claims that most Gingerbread devices may have an upgrade to Android 4.0, claiming that it is theoretically compatible with any Android 2.3.x device"

I would presume (going off the little snippits of info I've gleaned) that almost ANY device will be able to run ICS in some capacity or another since it is designed to be all encompassing. (Think Ubuntu for comparison) Admittedly some older devices will struggle due to the specs but this is the same for every old device.
I could be completely WAY-OFF the mark but I believe el-goog is heading down the Canonical Road and pretty soon we will have OS's that just play well together, be it on mobile, laptop, PC, TV yadda yadda yadda......and then we'll see a small moon appear on the horizon
No wait, "That's not a moon.....It's a SPACE STATION!" cue dramatic music and suddenly everyone and their dog will be screaming "IT'S A TRAAAAAP!" "TURN THIS SHIP AROUND!" but by then we'll all be caught in the tractor beam and headed for a Schwartz-off with Dark Helmet......
Jus sayin

Developers get new devices and forget about old ones. Time's working against us...

In future, post [QUESTIONS] in your separate Q&A section.
The next thread I see in the General section, that asks a [QUESTION] will be deleted, the user will receive a Warning.

I believe there will be a rom, not before Christmas tho
At least not a stable one.

Will Samsung release ICS for Galaxy Tab ??

Do you think people will port it or wait for source code.

andyharney said:
In future, post [QUESTIONS] in your separate Q&A section.
The next thread I see in the General section, that asks a [QUESTION] will be deleted, the user will receive a Warning.
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How does a question not belong in general? Is the general sub forum not for General discussion. Don't mean to be rude just wondering how that does not encompass a question (heck a development thread could in theory fall under the general category), i understand that there is a specific category for q&a and trying to order the chaos; it just seems to me you can't really claim anything doesn't belong in general in order to delete and or warn a user.

themapleboy said:
How does a question not belong in general?
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When you pose a question to which you would like an answer, if falls under the Q&A section.
Is the general sub forum not for General discussion.
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When you would like to discuss & have active engagement on a particular topic then it would fall under the General section.
Don't mean to be rude just wondering how that does not encompass a question (heck a development thread could in theory fall under the general category), i understand that there is a specific category for q&a and trying to order the chaos; it just seems to me you can't really claim anything doesn't belong in general in order to delete and or warn a user.
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Don't worry, I understand you intent, no rudeness is taken.
The development sections are for posting active development projects. I.e ROMs, APPs & MODs & to receive feedback, help, advice & even thanks.
To use this thread as an example, the OP asked.
when Google finally releases the source code, will there ever be a ROM for the original Galaxy Tab?
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That is a question, even the thread title has [QUESTION] in it. The answer to this particular question is, we honestly don't know.
IF the OP had worded it similar to this.
When Google finally release the source code, do you guys think there will ever be a ROM for the original Galaxy Tab
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This, to me is open for discussion, and not a clear cut yes or no. There is a gray (British spelling ) area as you could say the General section is full of questions.
But to clarify, If I see any threads with [Q] or [Question] in the thread title or post, in the General section, it will be deleted & the user Warned, not Infracted, just warned.
If they haven't bothered checking what section they are posting in, its highly likely they haven't bothered searching for the answer either, but that is another kettle of fish

This is all so incredibly exciting... looks like an amazing release and I really hope that I can put it on my SGT very soon!
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Don't worry, I understand you intent, no rudeness is taken.
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Andy: Thank you for being awesome - lots of admins I've worked with throughout the years would probably throw a hissy over perceived insurrection when questions of protocol are asked. Your professionalism is greatly appreciated.
I am so glad that google appears to have gone with an open model this time around - it looks like they actually worked to maximize compatibility with the wide range of GB running devices and made everything pretty portable. of course we'll know more about that in a week or so when google drops the sources on us.
from what i understand, this will be the first time we've had proper public sources since the GB release.
the new feature set looks like it'll be pretty amazing so long as they optimized it well... I don't really care if newer fancier phones and tabs have more resources... more resources should allow you to do more things better, NOT an excuse to settle for sub-par optimization of code because "oh, it doesn't matter anymore, all new devices have enough ram and cpu speed to handle it!"... </rant>

andyharney said:
When you pose a question to which you would like an answer, if falls under the Q&A section.
When you would like to discuss & have active engagement on a particular topic then it would fall under the General section.
Don't worry, I understand you intent, no rudeness is taken.
The development sections are for posting active development projects. I.e ROMs, APPs & MODs & to receive feedback, help, advice & even thanks.
To use this thread as an example, the OP asked.
That is a question, even the thread title has [QUESTION] in it. The answer to this particular question is, we honestly don't know.
IF the OP had worded it similar to this.
This, to me is open for discussion, and not a clear cut yes or no. There is a gray (British spelling ) area as you could say the General section is full of questions.
But to clarify, If I see any threads with [Q] or [Question] in the thread title or post, in the General section, it will be deleted & the user Warned, not Infracted, just warned.
If they haven't bothered checking what section they are posting in, its highly likely they haven't bothered searching for the answer either, but that is another kettle of fish
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Ah, I should have formulated the question better!
I apologize. Next time, questions go to Q&A section

tarantulae said:
From the news:
"Gabe Cohen from Google claims that most Gingerbread devices may have an upgrade to Android 4.0, claiming that it is theoretically compatible with any Android 2.3.x device"
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I agree!!! More so if ICS is the hybrid between honeycomb (tabs only) and gingerbread (smartphones only), it should work on Original Galaxy(OG) tab, at least for those upgraded to gingerbread. Now we have OG 7" on 2.3, sg-tab 7 plus on 3.2 and possibly sg-tab 7.7 on ??4.0(I guess), sammy better get ICS on all otherwise it'll be hard selling all three.

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I agree!!! More so if ICS is the hybrid between honeycomb (tabs only) and gingerbread (smartphones only), it should work on Original Galaxy(OG) tab, at least for those upgraded to gingerbread. Now we have OG 7" on 2.3, sg-tab 7 plus on 3.2 and possibly sg-tab 7.7 on ??4.0(I guess), sammy better get ICS on all otherwise it'll be hard selling all three.
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I thing the original sgt7 is no longer part of the lineup i belive it has been discontinued. So the 7 plus is 3.2, as is the 10.1, and the 7.7. Samsung has settled on honeycomb for the lot but have already stated that each of these tablets will get upgraded to ics "real soon". On the flipside they all but confirmed that ics wont be coming to the original sgt7 making me very sad.
Samsung imho has really bad support for os updates in that they taje forever to release them and they are notorious for droping hardware / os support way too fast. My original sgt7 came out only about a year ago (last nov iirc).
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Some cyanogenmod guys are putting together CM9 for tabs in general and ours looks like its on the list.
Sent from Sprint Galaxy Tab

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Some cyanogenmod guys are putting together CM9 for tabs in general and ours looks like its on the list.
Sent from Sprint Galaxy Tab
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yes, that's true, there is lots of private third-party ICS development going on to get a good AOSP rom up and functional. I think that's going to be most dependent on the galaxy tab ics dev thread here and then the cyanogen guys will go ahead and hack it smooth with extra features and the like as they generally do. I was specifically tallking about samsung OEM rom support.
and FIY, there is already a worked over SDK port of honeycomb for the galaxy tab 7 that seems to run pretty smooth that you might want to check out here if you're interested. the ICS stuff looks like it's shaping up, but I expect it to be at least a few months before everything becomes smooth enough for use as a daily rom.

[Suggestion] Can we combine the OnePlus 3 and OnePlus 3T forums?

My suggestion is to combine the OnePlus 3 and OnePlus 3T forums. Unless the differences between these two devices are extreme (which we have seen are not), I believe it would be beneficial to the whole community to have one forum, under which they can communicate and contribute. This will also help with future support and development of both devices. Most of the subforums will be the same anyway, e.g. Guides, News, & Discussion; Themes, Apps, and Mods; Accessories. So it doesn't make sense to create two separate forums.
What does the community think?

Phat7 said:
My suggestion is to combine the OnePlus 3 and OnePlus 3T forums. Unless the differences between these two devices are extreme (which we have seen are not), I believe it would be beneficial to the whole community to have one forum, under which they can communicate and contribute. This will also help with future support and development of both devices. Most of the subforums will be the same anyway, e.g. Guides, News, & Discussion; Themes, Apps, and Mods; Accessories. So it doesn't make sense to create two separate forums.
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Yes... There should be one forum for both of them. I agree.
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Having separate subforums for OP3 and OP3T ROMs would solve the ROM development issue. Other than that there is no need to create two separate forums and divide/fragment the community further. Having one big forum would be more useful in finding answers to questions and have good discussions.

I think One forum is better.

I don't very see the problem w/ combined, but keeping the development section separate is still ideal except if the ROMs are compatible. And from the look of it, this maybe the case. I saw on one of the post with pic show that the 3T has the same model number as the old OP3.

Yes, please. We need a unified community; not a divided one!
You have my vote for combining OP3 + OP3T! Maybe we should make a poll about it so the mods can see it?

drnix said:
Yes, please. We need a unified community; not a divided one!
You have my vote for combining OP3 + OP3T! Maybe we should make a poll about it so the mods can see it?
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Very well put. I also agree about the poll, great idea.

What about the differences in processor, some camera features, battery? I'm all for unity of the community but hope the forum combination won't limit the 3T from anything.... I'm no expert lol

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What about the differences in processor, some camera features, battery? I'm all for unity of the community but hope the forum combination won't limit the 3T from anything.... I'm no expert lol
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What about them? People can still ask questions just have to put in the specific models. Even in the 3T forum, one still have to ask specific storage size in certain question. I'm sure most of the XDA members know the different enough when asking specific question. As far as the general usage goes, most of the hardware stay the same and are govern by the ROMs. And from what the OP said, after the Nougat update, the software update cycle will be the same. In term of the community ROMs goes, I still suggest they have separate thread unless they are compatible.

someone0 said:
What about them? People can still ask questions just have to put in the specific models. Even in the 3T forum, one still have to ask specific storage size in certain question. I'm sure most of the XDA members know the different enough when asking specific question. As far as the general usage goes, most of the hardware stay the same and are govern by the ROMs. And from what the OP said, after the Nougat update, the software update cycle will be the same. In term of the community ROMs goes, I still suggest they have separate thread unless they are compatible.
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Thats exactly how its done in the Samsung sections like the s7 Edge. They have a separate section for (EXYNOS) ROM development and (SNAPDRAGON) ROM development.

Yes im for this. Just 2 subforums for the 3t and normal 3 development and one unified 3/3t development subforum.
I think rom developers could even bring out one rom for both devices and you can choose what device you have in aroma, like it is on s6 and s6 edge. One rom for both devices and you have to choose what device you have in aroma when you flash the rom

I am totally with you, would be much better to combine them

Is there any word on the compatibility of One ROMs on the 3t? What are the chances of an incompatible kernel hard bricking my phone? I want to give it a shot but I'll kick myself if I brick my phone and 2 days from now a stable cm ROM hits the 3t..

If the roms aren't compatible I don't think they should be combined.

It could get really confusing if no one specifies which model they are talking about.

I agree with you !

Just look at the xiaomi redmi note 3 Forum, there is one Forum for 2 different cpu, one with mediatek, the other one with snapdragon 650. One Forum and 2 development under forums.

When it comes to the OP3 and 3T, you can't interchange ROMs, kernels, recoveries, firmware, or anything else device specific without it bricking your device, and with all these inexperienced people agreeing with you, were sure to have a bunch of panicking crybabies in the forums once they turn their beloved OP3s or 3Ts into paperweights.

rickyx32 said:
When it comes to the OP3 and 3T, you can't interchange ROMs, kernels, recoveries, firmware, or anything else device specific without it bricking your device, and with all these inexperienced people agreeing with you, were sure to have a bunch of panicking crybabies in the forums once they turn their beloved OP3s or 3Ts into paperweights.
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THIS. Separate the forums - as above poster says - they are NOT fully compatible, so it's best to keep them apart. Confusion will reign and people will brick their devices.

white43 said:
THIS. Separate the forums - as above poster says - they are NOT fully compatible, so it's best to keep them apart. Confusion will reign and people will brick their devices.
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Roms and Software is different, everything else the same