Ok lets try and see if I can explain what I mean... im interested in the new smartdock (it has hdmi 3 full size usb ports and charging jack) looks great but its not released here in the uk and its gonna be expensive.
Now I have a generic ebay dock on its way with charge and sync capabilities it has 2 micro usb ports i was wondering if it would be possible to plug a mhl hdmi adapter into one of the micro usb ports of the dock and use the dock for my tv out needs sounds simple enough but...
This is where I get a bit confused I hear the galaxy note 2 supports a new 11pin micro usb mhl hdmi adapter and the old 5 pin hdmi adapter used on the note 1 and s2 wont work. So I suppose the note 2 micro usb socket is 11pin the new mhl hdmi adapter required is 11pin... does anyone know if standard usb architecture on generic docks would support 11pin or 5 pin mhl hdmi as if the docks architecture is only 5 pin it obviously wont work as it would be going from 11pin (phone) through 5pin (the dock) to 11pin (the mhl hdmi). I hope someone understands what I mean.
Or maybe someone could explain to me the differences between 5pin and 11pin and maybe I can work it out myself.
Im totally confused as I thought all usbs were the same apart from speed and that was the beauty of usb its universal serial bus.
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The s3 and note 2 can ouput multi-chanell audio through hdmi. I guess that's why . So far as I know none of the docks supports that configuration....dock...usb...mhl. The smartdock is the only one . I'll go that way...
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calinormy said:
The s3 and note 2 can ouput multi-chanell audio through hdmi. I guess that's why . So far as I know none of the docks supports that configuration....dock...usb...mhl. The smartdock is the only one . I'll go that way...
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The SGN2 micro USB port has may features:
Charging (up to 2A)
OTG Host mode
MHL video/audio
USB Audio stereo output
Docking Profile
If you dig deep into the USB spec. you will find how these seperate features all come together by use of the micro USB - ID Sense pin 5.
My guess is if you attach a SGN2 > generic dock > w/ USB (x2) > HDMI cable > HDMI display <<<< this cannot work as the USB ports have no way to convey the ID Sense pin to the micro USB port of the SGN2.
I'm waiting on stock for the smart dock. I wish it had a method to pivot landscape though.
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I wish it had a method to pivot landscape though.
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App - Ultimate Rotation Control can sort that (using it with the Smart Dock I have presently). Tasker should also be up to the task of sorting rotation issues with the Smart Dock.
Ah so you think it wont work through the generic dock this is shame as it would be a money saver and I have one on the way. I hoped the dock port might just work as an extension of the micro usb port on the phone meaning the mhl hdmi would work as usual but I had my doubts.
I have got an app called orientation control from the play store it was 96p and is very handy and easy to force landscape it even forces lanscape on the stock homescreen great for docking.
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Hi team!
I was looking to get some input from the forum members about creating an adapter for the nexus 7 that would be a male micro USB input that had 2 USB inputs and 1 female micro usb. The function would be to be able to use simultaneously, a mouse and keyboard while charging your tablet. Also obviously you can pair a mouse and keyboard to one BT node, so it could leave a USB input available for thumb drives, externals ect... Would you guys buy one? Whats on the list of accessories the nexus 7 needs and new models to come?
Thanks for the input.
Dielawn
Wouldn't a pogo pin adapter let you do the same thing? I know there would be a big market for that.
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T-Keith said:
Wouldn't a pogo pin adapter let you do the same thing? I know there would be a big market for that.
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Whats a pogo pin adapter? And those are available already?
The pogo pins are the dots on the left side of the device. They can be used in a dock, which does not exist yet. I don't know if it's possible to make an adapter for the pogo pins that works without the help of gravity.
For your USB-only adapter users would need to root and flash a kernel that's capable of OTG charging (like the faux123 kernel). Normally the host device (Nexus 7) feeds the OTG-peripherals with power. It can't be charged over the same micro USB connector. After switching the kernel to OTG-charging and replugging the peripherals, the host device can be charged by your adapter.
Im looking for a really good dock with HDMI out, and if its possible multiple usb ports out.
Just like the Galaxy note 2 dock:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Origina...S_Cell_Phone_PDA_Chargers&hash=item27d1b98c76
If anybody knows a similar dock(s) share with me please.
You will be unable to use it, i think that O4X has "old" mhl which does not supports simoultaneous data and video transfer plus no native host support
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Thats pretty sad
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You will be unable to use it, i think that O4X has "old" mhl which does not supports simoultaneous data and video transfer plus no native host support
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i think we are talking mostly software here because OTG Host works on LG and hdmi out too ,but i really dont know about simoultaneous actions
i really don't know if we can use MHL and USB hub at the same time, but i use the MHL cable from my HTC Sensation and it works using external power, also, the thing that i do is putting my Sensation on a normal Dock, in the dock i connect the MHL, the HDMI to my 42 inch monitor, and a Keyboard with mouse like whis http://www.amazon.com/QQ-Tech®-Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Handheld/dp/B00BALK9CM/ref=pd_cp_pc_0...
i have do the same with my LG 4X HD, but without the dock, deffenitly faster and better!
i have my eyes on this
http://www.amazon.com/iBolt-Streame...=UTF8&qid=1373153894&sr=8-1&keywords=mhl+dock
first versions of mhl were 5 pin, second is 11 pin. first CANNOT transfer at the same time, second CAN.
MHL was being developed by the MHL Consortium, a Consortium made up of leading companies in the mobile and CE space that includes Nokia, Samsung, Silicon Image, Sony and Toshiba.
Say thank you to that idiots that decided to made MHL. I prefer micro USB + micro HDMI, but this is probably easier to do.
11 pin MHL was introduces i think with SGS3
5-pin MHL-HDMI adapter/dongle
The first implementations use the most popular mobile connection (micro USB) and the most popular TV connection (HDMI). Other than the physical connectors, USB and HDMI technology are not being used. It is exclusively MHL signaling through the connectors and over the cable.
11-pin "samsungs MHL"-HDMI adapter/dongle
The Samsung Galaxy S III, Galaxy Note II and Galaxy S4 use a connector that is similar to the original 5-pin MHL-HDMI adapter/dongle, but it uses 11-pins in order to achieve a few functional improvements over the 5-pin design.
It supports the use of USB and MHL simultaneously. (Note that the new Samsung 11-pin MHL-HDMI adapter also has a USB On-The-Go port).
Samsung’s Galaxy S III/ Note 2 can power the MHL-HDMI adapter (when used with a non-MHL-compatible-TV). Although this can theoretically also be done with the standard 5-pin micro-USB connector, the Galaxy S III's 11-pin connector is believed to be the first smartphone that supports this functionality.
The Galaxy S III was the first MHL device to use a different connector - one that is not compatible with all other MHL devices and accessories. [9][10]
sources are form wiki
EDIT: and yet, i have googled a little, seems that 11pin does not do host and video at the same time: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1741583
so... samsung is being idiot by forcing their standards. Thats why I hate big companies, they are like spoiled children. Idiotic, in 2010/2011 when MHL was not installed in mobiel phones you could use hdmi independent on usb. but now you cant. point of using mhl???
its a bit of a shame, i wanted this phone to be as viable as possible for Ubuntu touch's desktop environment. But its not that much of an issue, a bluetooth keyboard and mouse works fine in that regard
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i really don't know if we can use MHL and USB hub at the same time, but i use the MHL cable from my HTC Sensation and it works using external power, also, the thing that i do is putting my Sensation on a normal Dock, in the dock i connect the MHL, the HDMI to my 42 inch monitor, and a Keyboard with mouse like whis http://www.amazon.com/QQ-Tech®-Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Handheld/dp/B00BALK9CM/ref=pd_cp_pc_0...
i have do the same with my LG 4X HD, but without the dock, deffenitly faster and better!
i have my eyes on this
http://www.amazon.com/iBolt-Streame...=UTF8&qid=1373153894&sr=8-1&keywords=mhl+dock
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Are you using stock rom? I think that MHL video output is bugged in CM10.1.
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I use stock
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Hey guys,
I was looking at the Samsung smart dock :
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And was wondering if it would work on the Xperia z1?
I know that the z1 supports MHL and OTG so I'm guessing it could work..
Also, I realise that the actual phone won't fit onto the dock properly but I really want hdmi out with at least 2 usb inputs, so I'm fine with using a micro usb male to female cable to run from the phone onto the dock.
This is my first post so let me know if I'm doing something wrong
Thanks in advance
- Dr. Klyde
It's a hardware issue actually, Samsung uses special usb connectors which can active both mhl and usb at the same time, not sure Sony does too...
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I use something like this and it works fine to have HDMI out, but never tried using the USB in at the same time.
You can use the usb as storage or only for charging while using hdmi?
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I use something like and it works fine to have HDMI out, but never tried using the USB in at the same time.
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I heard that the USB input on that could only be used for power and nothing else.. :/
I think that's correct, as the HDMI output does not work unless there is AC power going to the Micro USB in.
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It's a hardware issue actually, Samsung uses special usb connectors which can active both mhl and usb at the same time, not sure Sony does too...
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Theres a cheaper version of the dock on ebay for $11 which has HDMI and USB (both full size) ports. I might buy it and try that one first.
A stupid question, how can I use the MHL cable and charge the Z1 in the same time? It is possible?
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Hello all. Planning to get a MHL 2.0 cable for my note 3 but I also want to hook up a keyboard and mouse. I have a logitech k/b that uses wireless signal via a USB dongle. I figured the OTG cable would suffice but naturally once the MHL cable is in, there is no way to also use the OTG cable. Curious if there is some sort of hub that allows at least 1x micro usb and 1x full size usb, or some sort of splitter? I realize a bluetooth keyboard and mouse is probably another solution but would prefer to avoid if I could.
Thanks!
In other words, you want to make your phone a desktop computer?
yeh basically. Easier to work while on my lunch break. Thanks
Yes.
I made a pretty ghetto setup but it works.
What you will need is an OTG cable
A stand
And a powered USB hub
Mine is home made, but I believe they have this options made into a dock for this phone.
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I was hoping to do the same thing. But through bluetooth. I have a bluetooth keyboard that connects but I just got a lenovo n700 bluetooth mouse but my phone wouldn't recognize it. :/
The mouse connected to my ipad though...
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After my post I came across the Samsung Smart Dock, which looks to do what Im trying to accomplish. May invest in that, a little pricey though
As for the idea above, I still need to have a Micro USB for the MHL right? Or can I get an adapter to do USB to Micro USB to make it work?
You need an 11 pin adapter for MHL. Samsung and rocket fish sell the correct equipment.
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OK technicaly it's possible to fit and wire up a USB port to the headset and cut a port hole out. But we need some expert help here to be honest there ain't much in the headset so fairly possible any help would be appreciated pics of inside etc.
Yeah have actually thought about this... thinking i may attempt. Woundering if we could use a samsungs mhl dock circuit to use the hdmi out at the same time as gearvr
hashcheck said:
Yeah have actually thought about this... thinking i may attempt. Woundering if we could use a samsungs mhl dock circuit to use the hdmi out at the same time as gearvr
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What we need is when the new gear vr is releases a teardown and see how the micro usb is attached and mod one our selves.
If you can find the pin out for charging, then you can probably wire solder a female micro USB to it.
Why not using a wireless charger with a qi wireless receiver card on the Note 4?
Wireless charger probably won't keep up charging phone while using vr apps. Wireless chargers usually output around 0.5A or a little more while factory wall chargers - 2A
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