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Offering Assistance to Help Force update..

Hello,
I have been waiting for the official Nexus 7 update since they started rolling it out a few weeks ago. I was upset to find out that it had not made it to my device yet so I started searching and found this cool tip on how to get the update to come to your device.
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If you do not want to watch a video on how to do it see below.
- You may have to do this more than once. ( I did it three times and on the third time it asked me if I wanted to update) -
- Basically you just need to go into your "All" apps list and find "Google Services Framework." Once you click on it you want to force close it then delete the cache.
- After doing this go to the "about" then "system updates" and check for update. If it says there is no update go back to the "All" apps list and repeat.
- It may take MORE than 3 times or it may work instantly, I do not know I am just trying help others if this works for them.
UPDATE: So far the only thing it does as a side effect is stop your push notifications for an undetermined amount of time while everything refreshes.

no6969el said:
Hello,
I have been waiting for the official Nexus 7 update since they started rolling it out a few weeks ago. I was upset to find out that it had not made it to my device yet so I started searching and found this cool tip on how to get the update to come to your device.
Click here for the HD video
Click here for non HD video
If you do not want to watch a video on how to do it see below.
- You may have to do this more than once. ( I did it three times and on the third time it asked me if I wanted to update) -
- Basically you just need to go into your "All" apps list and find "Google Services Framework." Once you click on it you want to force close it then delete the cache.
- After doing this go to the "about" then "system updates" and check for update. If it says there is no update go back to the "All" apps list and repeat.
- It may take MORE than 3 times or it may work instantly, I do not know I am just trying help others if this works for them.
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Oooh, you can confirm this works?

Wilks3y said:
Oooh, you can confirm this works?
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I can confirm that after the 3rd time I got the update yes.

I'm sure I read somewhere that messing with the framework to force an update will give you problems elsewhere down the line. Don't quote me on it but what I read made me wait until I got the OTA.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app

mr_tris said:
I'm sure I read somewhere that messing with the framework to force an update will give you problems elsewhere down the line. Don't quote me on it but what I read made me wait until I got the OTA.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app
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I did a search for any issues and it appears all the threads that people have tried this on (normally the nexus one) they did not report any issues. Please post here if anyone notices anything weird.
This DOES work though (if something works for me then i'm sure it will work for someone else).. and I have had 0 issues since yesterday but I insist everyone try it and report your own results.

no6969el said:
I did a search for any issues and it appears all the threads that people have tried this on (normally the nexus one) they did not report any issues. Please post here if anyone notices anything weird.
This DOES work though (if something works for me then i'm sure it will work for someone else).. and I have had 0 issues since yesterday but I insist everyone try it and report your own results.
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I just read this yesterday: just beware
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32801857
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bigsmitty64 said:
I just read this yesterday: just beware
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32801857
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If you continue reading through the thread many report that while it does go away it will come back and thus it is still worth the update. Thank you for posting that thread though as I am sure many will still find it useful for encouragement.

[Guide] How to fix 4.2 lag

Hi all,
I recently upgraded to 4.2q on my Nexus 7, and I experienced a lot of lag on it. I was browsing the Internet, and I found this on the internet which has worked well for me, and now I have no lag. I don't know if this has already been posted here.
This is what I found on the internet:
"If you’re one of the poor users experiencing major lag on your Nexus 7 after the Android 4.2 update, here’s what you can do to remedy the situation:
Open your app drawer
Open Google Currents
Click the three dots in the top right corner of the app
Tap “Settings”
Uncheck “Enable Background Sync”
Reboot your Nexus 7
That’s it. You shouldn’t experience anymore lag and you probably won’t even need to reboot. For me the difference was night and day. I went an extra step and disabled the app completely just in case. If you want to disable Google Currents for good measure, you can do so by going into your main Settings menu, clicking Apps, swiping to the All category, clicking Google Currents, and then clicking Disable. (If you do this you won’t be able to use Google Currents anymore, but at least your Nexus 7 will be back to normal."
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Corey
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

This fixed the lag issues instantly. Thanks so much!
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WOW
really? google currents is what is lagging everyone on 4.2?
thats weird , totally weird to be that reason and....totally weird easy solution, think your gonna get many thanks for this well done for the find!
still on 4.1 here cos heard of laggy issues , when i do update ill remember this though :highfive::good:
ps. might be good to let the guys in "androidforums" know too:good:

Could be why I have never seen the lag. I always have Currents sync unchecked in my Google account since I don't use it.

If this really works, it is the most representative of the issue I have with Android. How is a normal user going to monitor all apps and deduce what app or setting is causing the issue. So... does this really work or is it just imagination?

read that this morning on Drippler ... Can't believe thats the fix! haha Thats awesome

I read this on Drippler too, disabled currents background sync, and have noticed the significant improvement. Im surprised there arnt task managers to identify such a promlem. I thought these rooters and flashers could run terminal commands. No one ran ps?
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thx it works

This doesn't cure lag across the board, I suspect my continuing lag issues are due to having added a user.
Added account for my GF so she could see how nice jelly bean is and that iOS doesn't rule the world, and the more she's used it more laggy my use of n7 has become.
Ok I can fix by deleting it but its quite a serious issue so hope Google fix quick.
Sent from my Nexu

bkmaracas said:
This doesn't cure lag across the board, I suspect my continuing lag issues are due to having added a user.
Added account for my GF so she could see how nice jelly bean is and that iOS doesn't rule the world, and the more she's used it more laggy my use of n7 has become.
Ok I can fix by deleting it but its quite a serious issue so hope Google fix quick.
Sent from my Nexu
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Wow, you were so lagged that you couldn't even get the "s" in 'Nexus' to register in time for your post.

phonic said:
Wow, you were so lagged that you couldn't even get the "s" in 'Nexus' to register in time for your post.
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Hmm just a user booboo that
Sent from my Nexus 7

Question would this still work if you left it on but only sync when charging? Or does it have to be disabled completely ?
sent from my Nexus 7 while my SGS3 rests!

~~ATTENTION~~
This guide was PLAGIARIZED directly from TalkAndroid.com. You can find the ORIGINAL story here.
http://www.talkandroid.com/141899-does-your-nexus-7-lag-after-the-4-2-update-theres-a-fix-for-that/
This post should be reported and removed.Thanks.
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Shrew said:
~~ATTENTION~~
This guide was PLAGIARIZED directly from TalkAndroid.com. You can find the ORIGINAL story here.
http://www.talkandroid.com/141899-does-your-nexus-7-lag-after-the-4-2-update-theres-a-fix-for-that/
This post should be reported and removed.Thanks.
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How was it plagerized the OP said he found it on the internet just didn't say where. He didn't claim he came up with it himself which would be plagiarized material at that point
sent from my Nexus 7 while my SGS3 rests!

I had already frozen the damn thing and many other Google apps as they ate at my plan.
I can't stand asps that just do whatever they want whenever they want.
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AndreaCristiano said:
How was it plagerized the OP said he found it on the internet just didn't say where. He didn't claim he came up with it himself which would be plagiarized material at that point
sent from my Nexus 7 while my SGS3 rests!
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It's plagiarized because it directly quotes a large portion of the article without citing the source.
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AndreaCristiano said:
How was it plagerized the OP said he found it on the internet just didn't say where. He didn't claim he came up with it himself which would be plagiarized material at that point
sent from my Nexus 7 while my SGS3 rests!
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It's plagiarized because it directly quotes a large portion of the article without citing the source.
Edit: nice signature, by the way!

bkmaracas said:
This doesn't cure lag across the board, I suspect my continuing lag issues are due to having added a user.
Added account for my GF so she could see how nice jelly bean is and that iOS doesn't rule the world, and the more she's used it more laggy my use of n7 has become.
Ok I can fix by deleting it but its quite a serious issue so hope Google fix quick.
Sent from my Nexu
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If you are rooted try temporarily unrooting. Root kills multiuser for me.

How to cure lag and a bevy of other stupid problems that shouldn't have made it past a 5 year old let alone `professional' paid developers.
Step 1: Don't install 4.2
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Profit

styckx said:
How to cure lag and a bevy of other stupid problems that shouldn't have made it past a 5 year old let alone `professional' paid developers.
Step 1: Don't install 4.2
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Profit
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Grats! Least useful post I have seen on this forum.

I actually get no lag at all on my nexus 7.
Used "forever gone (SD card cleaner)" from the market after updating.
Currents sync was already disabled prior to my update. It was an issue since 4.1 that's noting new and just part of the reason for the lag.
Forever Gone fixed my lag and I'm happy.

Simple Trick to Force the 4.4.2 OTA

So this is a well-known trick that has worked since the N4 but I wanted to share it anyway. If you go to check for the update and it still says up to date, try this method as it has just worked for my N5 and my N7:
Settings>Apps>All Tab>Google Services Framework>Clear Data>Go back to check update and it should work, if not try the steps again.
Like I said, this has worked for my previous N4, N5, and N7(2013). Each time, I tried the check update button alone at least 5 times in a row with no luck, then trying the trick and checking it worked for each device.
Oh and BTW, this trick if done EXACTLY like this DOES NOT invalidate the tokens like some claim. My play store and GMAIL are completely fine on both devices.
PS: Do this at your own risk/if your new to Android (Butthurt syndrome cured)

A Google employee also explained why you should not do this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...ear_data_for_google_service_framework/cdiymrp

Oh no you didn't.

myorks1127 said:
So this is a well-known trick that has worked since the N4 but I wanted to share it anyway. If you go to check for the update and it still says up to date, try this method as it has just worked for my N5 and my N7:
Settings>Apps>All Tab>Google Services Framework>Clear Data>Go back to check update and it should work, if not try the steps again.
Like I said, this has worked for my previous N4, N5, and N7(2013). Each time, I tried the check update button alone at least 5 times in a row with no luck, then trying the trick and checking it worked for each device.
Oh and BTW, this trick if done EXACTLY like this DOES NOT invalidate the tokens like some claim. My play store and GMAIL are completely fine on both devices.
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You're wrong, you shouldn't do that. A quick Google will tell you why

bozzykid said:
A Google employee also explained why you should not do this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...ear_data_for_google_service_framework/cdiymrp
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I read that post before and have yet to find a single issue with my devices and never had an issue for my N4 when I did it so I don't see what the big deal is...there is another very similar method that does indeed mess up the tokens but it IS NOT the same by any means.
Please prove me wrong, I will check anything on my phone that you think isn't working now because I did this the quick and easy way instead of wasting my time sideloading...

myorks1127 said:
I read that post before and have yet to find a single issue with my devices and never had an issue for my N4 when I did it so I don't see what the big deal is...there is another very similar method that does indeed mess up the tokens but it IS NOT the same by any means.
Please prove me wrong, I will check anything on my phone that you think isn't working now because I did this the quick and easy way instead of wasting my time sideloading...
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i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you don't work for Google, specifically the Android/Mobile division. but since you don't see what the big deal is (going against what a Google engineer says) we should all believe you.
this may not mess up your phone, but it wrecks havoc on the back end of Google's servers... when a Google engineer tells us all not to do something, then thoroughly explains why, it's probably best to heed his advice.

Tried this, took five data clears and it gave me the update. Thanks!
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Lucke said:
i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you don't work for Google, specifically the Android/Mobile division. but since you don't see what the big deal is (going against what a Google engineer says) we should all believe you.
this may not mess up your phone, but it wrecks havoc on the back end of Google's servers... when a Google engineer tells us all not to do something, then thoroughly explains why, it's probably best to heed his advice.
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It doesn't wreak havok on my end so why would I care?

I'll go out on a limb and say if it caused that much grief for Google the clear data feature would have been gone a long time ago.

Its worked since the nexus s btw
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I've done it with every update since ICS and never had an issue...and its always worked
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Glad I finally have some people backing me up lol, my brother is an engineer for Amazon and he thinks he knows everything too...

And this is how people who don't know better come here to XDA and mess up their devices because they follow bad advice that they read. Don't do this. It can have unintended consequences and according to Google has absolutely no effect on when you will receive an OTA.

muyoso said:
And this is how people who don't know better come here to XDA and mess up their devices because they follow bad advice that they read. Don't do this. It can have unintended consequences and according to Google has absolutely no effect on when you will receive an OTA.
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People who don't follow the exact directions you mean..and are you saying that this trick worked for 3 Nexus devices I own completely by chance after trying to update over 5 times each before doing the trick and then it working after the trick?

myorks1127 said:
People who don't follow the exact directions you mean..and are you saying that this trick worked for 3 Nexus devices I own completely by chance after trying to update over 5 times each before doing the trick and then it working after the trick?
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What I am saying is that it doesn't matter how many people like you swear that it works. The people who actually work on Android say it doesn't and that it can have bad consequences. And anyone who actually wants the update can simply sideload it with absolutely no ill effects if they want to force the update onto their devices early. There is absolutely zero reason to do what you swear works.

muyoso said:
What I am saying is that it doesn't matter how many people like you swear that it works. The people who actually work on Android say it doesn't and that it can have bad consequences. And anyone who actually wants the update can simply sideload it with absolutely no ill effects if they want to force the update onto their devices early. There is absolutely zero reason to do what you swear works.
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The reason to do it is to save time and hassle of doing all the steps needed for side loading, but no worries, I got the update faster and easier than anyone who side loaded with ZERO consequences to me..:good:, your Google knee pads must be pretty worn out by now huh?

Or you can just wait for the update. I'm still on 4.4 and happy about it. 4.4.1 brought radio issues, and 4.4.2 also seems to have a few bugs. Hopefully by the time I get the OTA, the bugs will be fixed.

myorks1127 said:
The reason to do it is to save time and hassle of doing all the steps needed for side loading, but no worries, I got the update faster and easier than anyone who side loaded with ZERO consequences to me..:good:, your Google knee pads must be pretty worn out by now huh?
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Yes, I am sucking Google's **** because I am telling users who don't know better that Google specifically said not to do this. You got me. My secret is out.

myorks1127 said:
It doesn't wreak havok on my end so why would I care?
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The problem is you don't know if it does. Because the GCM id changes, things like push messages from different apps will likely stop working (maybe permanently if they don't properly handle a changing id). You might not of noticed this much in the past because not a lot of apps utilized GCM push messages. However, more and more apps are using them today.

It's amazing that people will ignore advice from the people that have written the actual software. Just don't do it. The worst part about doing it is that you may not even know that something has messed up because its not obvious.

Thanks worked for me
Took me straight from 4,4 to 4,4.2 after 4 attempts

Stuck on 4.4

Anyone else still stuck on 4.4?
I have decided not to root my phone or flash any rom that has not been directly issued to my phone by Google. I'm still too happy with my device to mess around with that.
Therefore, I decided to create a thread for the people who are still using 4.4 because they haven't got the update yet. I'm in Malta... Anyone else?
What's better than the mutual anticipation for something new, right?
Sidenote: will the update fix Google Now not working on some devices?
Owner of a Nexus 5
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iwillthinkofsomething said:
Anyone else still stuck on 4.4?
I have decided not to root my phone or flash any rom that has not been directly issued to my phone by Google. I'm still too happy with my device to mess around with that.
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I think you should at least consider rooting, the benefits of that are countless. I just re-wiped my phone to stock+root so I can just sideload the 4.4.2 update.

Why not sideload it?
Sent from my Nexus 5

ohthesepaws said:
I think you should at least consider rooting, the benefits of that are countless. I just re-wiped my phone to stock+root so I can just sideload the 4.4.2 update.
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dicecuber said:
Why not sideload it?
Sent from my Nexus 5
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My laptop is not available at the moment. I am getting it repaired.
Owner of a Nexus 5
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ohthesepaws said:
I think you should at least consider rooting, the benefits of that are countless. I just re-wiped my phone to stock+root so I can just sideload the 4.4.2 update.
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I am also using 4.4 stock + root. Do u know how to update to 4.4.2?

koolthing said:
I am also using 4.4 stock + root. Do u know how to update to 4.4.2?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2557523

iwillthinkofsomething said:
My laptop is not available at the moment. I am getting it repaired.
Owner of a Nexus 5
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Then just wait. Like 2 weeks for Google to roll out the updates. No point in this thread
Sent from my Nexus 5

I'm still on 4.4 too. I heard you can install it without rooting though.

Badd_blood said:
I'm still on 4.4 too. I heard you can install it without rooting though.
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you need adb. that's all.

I am also waiting, I am fully stock, and both my old and new Nexus 7 got the update to 4.4.2 but my Nexus 5 nothing yet, wonder why ?

arimus said:
I am also waiting, I am fully stock, and both my old and new Nexus 7 got the update to 4.4.2 but my Nexus 5 nothing yet, wonder why ?
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Because it hasn't rolled out to everyone yet. Give it time if you don't want to sideload it.

I am on 4.4 and I could have done sideloading, but I don't care much. Been doing enough nightlies with i777 (ATT SGS2) until last month when it died. I like the pure G experience more than I thought (I thought I would go for CM11 immediately after I get N5 then Omni) and I see not much issue with 4.4. I don't use my phone to take a pic much - I have Fuji XE-1 and Canon 5D for that.
I will get it when I get it. Who knows.. Google might have really started nightlies and 4.4.3 is around the corner.
Edit: Well, it looks like they have decided to give it to me just now.

I just got my 4.4.2 ota update yesterday. Chose not to sideload like I did for the 4.4.1 update. My N4 got the ota update on Mon night (it's stock, not rooted). To some degree, it's all just a crap shoot.
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arimus said:
I am also waiting, I am fully stock, and both my old and new Nexus 7 got the update to 4.4.2 but my Nexus 5 nothing yet, wonder why ?
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There are just different roll-out schedules. Let me put it this way, I was on custom recovery and rooted, and saw I had 4.4.2 update (was on 4.4). So not wanting to mess anything up I went complete stock, though when I rebooted I saw I no longer had it regardless of pressing the update button a million times. So I just ended up side loading it. The reason why it probably was not there, is probably this:
Why is clearing Google Services Framework data is a bad idea?:
There is a myth that has been around for a few years that clearing data in Google Services Framework will get you the OTA faster. Android Engineer Dan Morrill has taken to reddit to explain why NOT to do this and why the method I've described in this thread is the best way to get your update quickly.
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Doing this changes the primary ID by which Google knows your device. As far as the servers are concerned, the device was basically factory reset. There are many downstream effects of this, but a big one is that this invalidates the tokens used by any app that uses GCM (which is nearly all the Google apps, and a ton of third-party apps.)
How apps react to GCM IDs changing varies by app. With Play Store you have to log out and log back in, I think Gmail usually handles it transparently eventually but won't get new mail notifications for a while, etc. Some apps you may have to clear data on to recover. All apps will simply stop getting GCM push-messages, until they get a new GCM ID; some do this frequently, others rarely, and some apps use the GCM ID as an ID on their own servers (as it is opaque and basically random), so other things besides push messages may not work.
Nothing bursts into flames, but it makes a ton of nuisances on the device, including some that can look pretty mysterious. Your mileage will vary depending on what apps you use.
All of this can be avoided by just doing an 'adb sideload' if you are impatient. -Dan Morrill
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I am assuming it was no longer valid for me because my ID changed when I wiped my phone. So with that being said, your choices are to either wait, or side load.

4.4 as well ..I'll get the update eventually. No rush here.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

From the sheer number of posts showing problems with sideloading, I recommend waiting for the OTA update. Why risk so many issues and buggy software just to get an update a few days earlier?

rikudo said:
From the sheer number of posts showing problems with sideloading, I recommend waiting for the OTA update. Why risk so many issues and buggy software just to get an update a few days earlier?
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common miss-conception.
sideload is just a different channel to put the damn OTA zip on your phone. there is no higher / lower rate of issues than getting the actual OTA, you will be in the same boat.

Got tired of waiting in Dallas yesterday. I know...patience is a virtue but no a strong point of mine. Wanted to check the camera out so I side loaded both updates early last night.
My N5 has been working like a champ. Camera and speaker are definitely improved!
Sent from my Nexus 5

rikudo said:
From the sheer number of posts showing problems with sideloading, I recommend waiting for the OTA update. Why risk so many issues and buggy software just to get an update a few days earlier?
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There are no problems with sideloading if one hasn't messed with their phone. Issues arise when one tries to sideload the OTA and they have modified files in /system.

I was using 4.4 ( unrooted ) totally original system, and got 4.2.2 update a few hours ago. I'm in Hamilton ON, Canada.

Received Lollipop today

Updated the Tmobile 5.0 today, deffeantly tell of the changes. My first problem though was the app updates. They would not up date while the new Google Play Services was updated. I Restarted my phone then unistalled the Google Play Services update to finally get rid of the clash. Just an FYI for yall out there

AUTOROOT
I just rooted my N4 just fine using auto root, also have no problems so far with Philz recovery. Dont know if yall already knew these would be smooth transitions but I didnt lol. Well just some fyis. Have fun with yalls goodnes

Is there a flashable zip on here for this yet? Searched everywhere but can't find one.
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MrCopeland23 said:
Updated the Tmobile 5.0 today, deffeantly tell of the changes. My first problem though was the app updates. They would not up date while the new Google Play Services was updated. I Restarted my phone then unistalled the Google Play Services update to finally get rid of the clash. Just an FYI for yall out there
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Do you have a 0x0 Knox Counter? I'm debating on downloading NK4 and getting COD6 OTA becuase right now it's taking forever to download from sammobile.

KIES
C-4Nati said:
Is there a flashable zip on here for this yet? Searched everywhere but can't find one.
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Use Samsung Kies

good question on the counter, I have restarted my phone and have not seen it, Buuut I did freeze knox though. As far as updating Use Kies took about 10 mins

USB audio?
I got the Lollipop update this morning through T-mobile. It was smooth to update, and I haven't noticed battery issues or anything others had reporter.
However, I was super-excited for Lollipop, because it allows for USB microphones. And I've tried all 5 of the ones I own without success. I tried Samsung support, which was useless. They weren't even aware of the feature.
Do you think it's possible that Samsung or T-mobile bypassed this native feature to Lollipop? I was connecting via OTG cable. I haven't tried mic to powered hub to OTG yet, because I've seen Nexus owners on Lollypop just connect USB microphones via OTG.
I'd be grateful for any advice any of you gurus have out there. I am not rooted or running anything custom. I've been fairly happy with stock. But, like I started with, I was all the while looking forward to this Lollypop update for portable recording via USB. Is there something I'm missing? Thanks.

Downloading as I type...I'm sure I am wasting my time since I been rocking BeanStalk 5.0.2, but my curiosity is making me just give it a look and see how it works. It'll be nice to use the S-Pen features again, but Lollipop without all the bs that samsung and tmo put on there has been nothing short of amazing.

Why have the note 4 when you can have PURE android just like you want with the new 6 inch moto. But whatever guess I will never understand why people will buy a car. Strip it off its goods (rims/system/under the hood upgrades) just to have a classic stripped stock vehicle? I mean already having the features why give then away? I will never understand

nano303 said:
Why have the note 4 when you can have PURE android just like you want with the new 6 inch moto. But whatever guess I will never understand why people will buy a car. Strip it off its goods (rims/system/under the hood upgrades) just to have a classic stripped stock vehicle? I mean already having the features why give then away? I will never understand
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Assuming that you're talking about the Nexus 6/Moto X Pro, there's no need to debate/discuss why I would want TouchWiz on ANY level, which is why I was close to buying a Nexus 6. Honestly though, for me, while the Nexus 6/Moto X Pro isn't a bad phone(they're both really great phones), they lost me with no way to add extra storage or remove your battery if needed. In addition, while I have been running Beanstalk for the last few weeks, I still think the S-Pen is a really great feature to have on the Note 4. There's really no need to go into details about which phone is better, because it will always come down to preference, but in regards to your comment, it's not as stripped down as you present it to be.

JayeSyn said:
Assuming that you're talking about the Nexus 6/Moto X Pro, there's no need to debate/discuss why I would want TouchWiz on ANY level, which is why I was close to buying a Nexus 6. Honestly though, for me, while the Nexus 6/Moto X Pro isn't a bad phone(they're both really great phones), they lost me with no way to add extra storage or remove your battery if needed. In addition, while I have been running Beanstalk for the last few weeks, I still think the S-Pen is a really great feature to have on the Note 4. There's really no need to go into details about which phone is better, because it will always come down to preference, but in regards to your comment, it's not as stripped down as you present it to be.
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Alright bud. Just saying OK. Don't get like some of the people up in here right away biting haha. Ain't no one saying it with attitude or anything. I just don't get it but now I do ??

MrCopeland23 said:
Updated the Tmobile 5.0 today, deffeantly tell of the changes. My first problem though was the app updates. They would not up date while the new Google Play Services was updated. I Restarted my phone then unistalled the Google Play Services update to finally get rid of the clash. Just an FYI for yall out there
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Can I ask how you did that? I upgraded from BeanStalk to stock Lollipop via Kies, but I'm getting force closes on gapps services. Can barely use the phone they are coming in so frequently. What did you do to uninstall gapps and how did you get the correct version installed?

nano303 said:
Alright bud. Just saying OK. Don't get like some of the people up in here right away biting haha. Ain't no one saying it with attitude or anything. I just don't get it but now I do
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No attitude here, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I am certainly not hating on you for what you're saying and personally, in many(maybe most) aspects, those are flat out better phones than the Note 4. I just installed this bs lollipop so now as I type, I am flashing back to BeanStalk. The lack of a removable battery i could live with, but the expandable storage is a necessity for me, the only reason I am staying with the Note 4 since most phones that are coming out are converting to that style.

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Can I ask how you did that? I upgraded from BeanStalk to stock Lollipop via Kies, but I'm getting force closes on gapps services. Can barely use the phone they are coming in so frequently. What did you do to uninstall gapps and how did you get the correct version installed?
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You do not need to install gapps on stock ROMs. They are included. Installing them as a zip will break them. So, factory reset (or fresh install), and don't flash gapps.
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You do not need to install gapps on stock ROMs. They are included. Installing them as a zip will break them. So, factory reset (or fresh install), and don't flash gapps.
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Hey. Thanks for the reply. I actually didn't install gapps over the stock ROM. Not sure what it didn't like installing over Beanstalk. I did a wipe before I installed via kies. Anyway, I resolved by doing a factory reset, like you said. Did two actually. All is well now, thanks.