So this is a well-known trick that has worked since the N4 but I wanted to share it anyway. If you go to check for the update and it still says up to date, try this method as it has just worked for my N5 and my N7:
Settings>Apps>All Tab>Google Services Framework>Clear Data>Go back to check update and it should work, if not try the steps again.
Like I said, this has worked for my previous N4, N5, and N7(2013). Each time, I tried the check update button alone at least 5 times in a row with no luck, then trying the trick and checking it worked for each device.
Oh and BTW, this trick if done EXACTLY like this DOES NOT invalidate the tokens like some claim. My play store and GMAIL are completely fine on both devices.
PS: Do this at your own risk/if your new to Android (Butthurt syndrome cured)
A Google employee also explained why you should not do this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...ear_data_for_google_service_framework/cdiymrp
Oh no you didn't.
myorks1127 said:
So this is a well-known trick that has worked since the N4 but I wanted to share it anyway. If you go to check for the update and it still says up to date, try this method as it has just worked for my N5 and my N7:
Settings>Apps>All Tab>Google Services Framework>Clear Data>Go back to check update and it should work, if not try the steps again.
Like I said, this has worked for my previous N4, N5, and N7(2013). Each time, I tried the check update button alone at least 5 times in a row with no luck, then trying the trick and checking it worked for each device.
Oh and BTW, this trick if done EXACTLY like this DOES NOT invalidate the tokens like some claim. My play store and GMAIL are completely fine on both devices.
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You're wrong, you shouldn't do that. A quick Google will tell you why
bozzykid said:
A Google employee also explained why you should not do this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...ear_data_for_google_service_framework/cdiymrp
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I read that post before and have yet to find a single issue with my devices and never had an issue for my N4 when I did it so I don't see what the big deal is...there is another very similar method that does indeed mess up the tokens but it IS NOT the same by any means.
Please prove me wrong, I will check anything on my phone that you think isn't working now because I did this the quick and easy way instead of wasting my time sideloading...
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I read that post before and have yet to find a single issue with my devices and never had an issue for my N4 when I did it so I don't see what the big deal is...there is another very similar method that does indeed mess up the tokens but it IS NOT the same by any means.
Please prove me wrong, I will check anything on my phone that you think isn't working now because I did this the quick and easy way instead of wasting my time sideloading...
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i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you don't work for Google, specifically the Android/Mobile division. but since you don't see what the big deal is (going against what a Google engineer says) we should all believe you.
this may not mess up your phone, but it wrecks havoc on the back end of Google's servers... when a Google engineer tells us all not to do something, then thoroughly explains why, it's probably best to heed his advice.
Tried this, took five data clears and it gave me the update. Thanks!
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i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you don't work for Google, specifically the Android/Mobile division. but since you don't see what the big deal is (going against what a Google engineer says) we should all believe you.
this may not mess up your phone, but it wrecks havoc on the back end of Google's servers... when a Google engineer tells us all not to do something, then thoroughly explains why, it's probably best to heed his advice.
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It doesn't wreak havok on my end so why would I care?
I'll go out on a limb and say if it caused that much grief for Google the clear data feature would have been gone a long time ago.
Its worked since the nexus s btw
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I've done it with every update since ICS and never had an issue...and its always worked
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Glad I finally have some people backing me up lol, my brother is an engineer for Amazon and he thinks he knows everything too...
And this is how people who don't know better come here to XDA and mess up their devices because they follow bad advice that they read. Don't do this. It can have unintended consequences and according to Google has absolutely no effect on when you will receive an OTA.
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And this is how people who don't know better come here to XDA and mess up their devices because they follow bad advice that they read. Don't do this. It can have unintended consequences and according to Google has absolutely no effect on when you will receive an OTA.
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People who don't follow the exact directions you mean..and are you saying that this trick worked for 3 Nexus devices I own completely by chance after trying to update over 5 times each before doing the trick and then it working after the trick?
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People who don't follow the exact directions you mean..and are you saying that this trick worked for 3 Nexus devices I own completely by chance after trying to update over 5 times each before doing the trick and then it working after the trick?
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What I am saying is that it doesn't matter how many people like you swear that it works. The people who actually work on Android say it doesn't and that it can have bad consequences. And anyone who actually wants the update can simply sideload it with absolutely no ill effects if they want to force the update onto their devices early. There is absolutely zero reason to do what you swear works.
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What I am saying is that it doesn't matter how many people like you swear that it works. The people who actually work on Android say it doesn't and that it can have bad consequences. And anyone who actually wants the update can simply sideload it with absolutely no ill effects if they want to force the update onto their devices early. There is absolutely zero reason to do what you swear works.
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The reason to do it is to save time and hassle of doing all the steps needed for side loading, but no worries, I got the update faster and easier than anyone who side loaded with ZERO consequences to me..:good:, your Google knee pads must be pretty worn out by now huh?
Or you can just wait for the update. I'm still on 4.4 and happy about it. 4.4.1 brought radio issues, and 4.4.2 also seems to have a few bugs. Hopefully by the time I get the OTA, the bugs will be fixed.
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The reason to do it is to save time and hassle of doing all the steps needed for side loading, but no worries, I got the update faster and easier than anyone who side loaded with ZERO consequences to me..:good:, your Google knee pads must be pretty worn out by now huh?
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Yes, I am sucking Google's **** because I am telling users who don't know better that Google specifically said not to do this. You got me. My secret is out.
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It doesn't wreak havok on my end so why would I care?
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The problem is you don't know if it does. Because the GCM id changes, things like push messages from different apps will likely stop working (maybe permanently if they don't properly handle a changing id). You might not of noticed this much in the past because not a lot of apps utilized GCM push messages. However, more and more apps are using them today.
It's amazing that people will ignore advice from the people that have written the actual software. Just don't do it. The worst part about doing it is that you may not even know that something has messed up because its not obvious.
Thanks worked for me
Took me straight from 4,4 to 4,4.2 after 4 attempts
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Didn't see this anywhere, so I thought I would try and hopefully save at least one person some time/frustration. I, like many people on this site own multiple devices and swap my Sprint service back and forth between them. I normally do this through Sprint.com. I just got my GS4 and spent hours testing what launcher would be the fastest with this SOC, and setting everything up exactly the way I wanted it.(I always keep things stock for the return period so I had no real way of making a backup) After I got everything the way I wanted, I activated this beauty...but upon doing this, I didn't see the fine print that the profile update triggers a factory data wipe.. **POOF** and all my app/prefs/etc. were gone. Needless to say, I was LIVID. I waited until I was calmed down to call customer care. The rep I spoke to advised that they changed it to require a factory data wipe when switching service online and you need to call customer care to attempt a manual IMEI/DEC/HEX swap.
glassjosh said:
Didn't see this anywhere, so I thought I would try and hopefully save at least one person some time/frustration. I, like many people on this site own multiple devices and swap my Sprint service back and forth between them. I normally do this through Sprint.com. I just got my GS4 and spent hours testing what launcher would be the fastest with this SOC, and setting everything up exactly the way I wanted it.(I always keep things stock for the return period so I had no real way of making a backup) After I got everything the way I wanted, I activated this beauty...but upon doing this, I didn't see the fine print that the profile update triggers a factory data wipe.. **POOF** and all my app/prefs/etc. were gone. Needless to say, I was LIVID. I waited until I was calmed down to call customer care. The rep I spoke to advised that they changed it to require a factory data wipe when switching service online and you need to call customer care to attempt a manual IMEI/DEC/HEX swap.
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TiBu is your friend
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TiBu is your friend
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Word.
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glassjosh said:
Didn't see this anywhere, so I thought I would try and hopefully save at least one person some time/frustration. I, like many people on this site own multiple devices and swap my Sprint service back and forth between them. I normally do this through Sprint.com. I just got my GS4 and spent hours testing what launcher would be the fastest with this SOC, and setting everything up exactly the way I wanted it.(I always keep things stock for the return period so I had no real way of making a backup) After I got everything the way I wanted, I activated this beauty...but upon doing this, I didn't see the fine print that the profile update triggers a factory data wipe.. **POOF** and all my app/prefs/etc. were gone. Needless to say, I was LIVID. I waited until I was calmed down to call customer care. The rep I spoke to advised that they changed it to require a factory data wipe when switching service online and you need to call customer care to attempt a manual IMEI/DEC/HEX swap.
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Had you already activated the device at least once before you attempted the online activation that resulted in the factory reset?
So I can confirm that this is indeed the desired behavior of chameleon. Whenever activation info is changed through HFA, then the device is now supposed to hard reset.
While this is certainly inconvenient if you didn't know it would happen (as us here in the store didn't know this was going to be the behavior going forward either), the reasoning behind it is sound: chameleon is put in place so that identical models of phones that are different sprint channels (sprint post paid, prepaid, boost, etc.) can run the same firmware; chameleon handles the bloatware payload for each channel. In other words, sprint no longer has to have different software packages for the same phone just because one gets sprint zone etc. and the other gets boost stuff etc.
Now, hopefully we get to a point to where chameleon is smart enough to recognize the current payload and decide whether a hard reset is necessary, but...baby steps I suppose.
EDIT: also, profile updates on their own don't require a reset. It's part of the whole HFA process that does it.
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Nope, it was a new device I wanted to set up and play with on wifi before activating it. Now I just have to call CC and have them swap the devices manually.
rawintellect said:
TiBu is your friend
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It's only your friend if you're rooted, I always keep stock FW for the return period of a device since you never know. I have always had mixed experiences with restoring app data as well.
glassjosh said:
It's only your friend if you're rooted, I always keep stock FW for the return period of a device since you never know. I have always had mixed experiences with restoring app data as well.
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I've never had ONE bad experience with TiBu. Ever. If you know what you're doing it's fine. And why wouldn't you root? You can always unroot at any given time. And yes the counter can be reset.
The debate for rooting belongs elsewhere, I'm well aware you can reset counters, unroot, however, it's not worth the time when the risk of returning is high IMHO. You don't have to know what you're doing in TiBu, that's the beauty, but you still have a better chance of stability when using new app data, and it only takes 1 bad experience with some things..
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The debate for rooting belongs elsewhere, I'm well aware you can reset counters, unroot, however, it's not worth the time when the risk of returning is high IMHO. You don't have to know what you're doing in TiBu, that's the beauty, but you still have a better chance of stability when using new app data, and it only takes 1 bad experience with some things..
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LOL! You're not going to change my mind. I'm not going to change yours. I know from my own personal experience of MANY years of tinkering with android devices that you DO have to know what you're doing in TiBu or you're screwed. If you backup the wrong thing (say a system app from a different release of android) and restore it to an entirely new system you've just borked your device and are on a one way trip to bootloop city, population: YOU. And you'll have a full restore in your future.
As for "debating" on rooting? I'm not. Why even come on to XDA if you won't root? If you want stock apps stick to Google Play and sprint community forums. But don't come on to XDA and tell me or anyone else that rooting your phone is inferior to not rooting it. It just isn't. Period.
Stability is only as good as the person that coded it. That INCLUDES stock OEM ROMS or updates. I can count on two hands updates from manufacturers that have gone terribly wrong and been fixed by the devs in the XDA community LONG before they were fixed by the manufacturer. So your point about "new app data" is wrong as well.
And finally the "risk" isn't high. At all. Stop scaring folks. If your phone boots into the bootloader it's recoverable. Period. Even if it DOESN'T boot into the bootloader you can still recover it. I've had 8 HARD bricks. All of them recovered. Some even required EMMC_RECOVER to rewrite the bootloader. Don't know what that is? I'm not suprised. Let me google that for you. The WORST EVER required JTAG (again let me google that for you) to fix. But it WAS fixed.
I'm all done with this back and forth and I'll just place you on ignore and hope people see that you really have no clue what you're talking about.
Enjoy.
rawintellect said:
LOL! You're not going to change my mind. I'm not going to change yours. I know from my own personal experience of MANY years of tinkering with android devices that you DO have to know what you're doing in TiBu or you're screwed. If you backup the wrong thing (say a system app from a different release of android) and restore it to an entirely new system you've just borked your device and are on a one way trip to bootloop city, population: YOU. And you'll have a full restore in your future.
As for "debating" on rooting? I'm not. Why even come on to XDA if you won't root? If you want stock apps stick to Google Play and sprint community forums. But don't come on to XDA and tell me or anyone else that rooting your phone is inferior to not rooting it. It just isn't. Period.
Stability is only as good as the person that coded it. That INCLUDES stock OEM ROMS or updates. I can count on two hands updates from manufacturers that have gone terribly wrong and been fixed by the devs in the XDA community LONG before they were fixed by the manufacturer. So your point about "new app data" is wrong as well.
And finally the "risk" isn't high. At all. Stop scaring folks. If your phone boots into the bootloader it's recoverable. Period. Even if it DOESN'T boot into the bootloader you can still recover it. I've had 8 HARD bricks. All of them recovered. Some even required EMMC_RECOVER to rewrite the bootloader. Don't know what that is? I'm not suprised. Let me google that for you. The WORST EVER required JTAG (again let me google that for you) to fix. But it WAS fixed.
I'm all done with this back and forth and I'll just place you on ignore and hope people see that you really have no clue what you're talking about.
Enjoy.
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I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, only warn others to possibly help someone out; which is the whole purpose of this site. I certainly don't have time to troll anyone's posts. Before you get more butt-hurt, read what I said. I know from my "MANY YEARS" of android tinkering and development, that you only need time to read, not to truly know what you're doing. Apparently we have different ideas of what that means. Never did I state that rooting was inferior, that's absurd. And how would you know the risk of me returning the phone in the return period? You obviously don't read or comprehend well. As stated before, I'm well familiar with the process for tweaking android devices, especially Samsung since I have 6 of them. I'm so super impressed with your vast knowledge though..
Wow. That escalated quickly for no reason. You ignores someone for having an opinion about not rooting a phone in the first seven days of owning it. I'm sure there are plenty of people on here that don't root in that first week, that includes me as one of them.
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rawintellect said:
LOL! You're not going to change my mind. I'm not going to change yours. I know from my own personal experience of MANY years of tinkering with android devices that you DO have to know what you're doing in TiBu or you're screwed. If you backup the wrong thing (say a system app from a different release of android) and restore it to an entirely new system you've just borked your device and are on a one way trip to bootloop city, population: YOU. And you'll have a full restore in your future.
As for "debating" on rooting? I'm not. Why even come on to XDA if you won't root? If you want stock apps stick to Google Play and sprint community forums. But don't come on to XDA and tell me or anyone else that rooting your phone is inferior to not rooting it. It just isn't. Period.
Stability is only as good as the person that coded it. That INCLUDES stock OEM ROMS or updates. I can count on two hands updates from manufacturers that have gone terribly wrong and been fixed by the devs in the XDA community LONG before they were fixed by the manufacturer. So your point about "new app data" is wrong as well.
And finally the "risk" isn't high. At all. Stop scaring folks. If your phone boots into the bootloader it's recoverable. Period. Even if it DOESN'T boot into the bootloader you can still recover it. I've had 8 HARD bricks. All of them recovered. Some even required EMMC_RECOVER to rewrite the bootloader. Don't know what that is? I'm not suprised. Let me google that for you. The WORST EVER required JTAG (again let me google that for you) to fix. But it WAS fixed.
I'm all done with this back and forth and I'll just place you on ignore and hope people see that you really have no clue what you're talking about.
Enjoy.
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Settings, Apps, All, Google Service Framework.
Force Stop, Clear Data.
Then check for update in About Phone.
Then repeat these steps, and the update shows up on the second check. Repeated this on 3 phones to get 4.4.2 where 4.4.1 hadn't even popped up previously.
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Note, this procedure is to be followed at your own risk. I have completed this successfully on 3 x Nexus 5 from v4.4, however I can not test all scenarios or be responsible for any subsequent issues, whether related to this method or not. If you cant accept this, then wait for the OTA.
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Settings, Apps, All, Google Service Framework.
Force Stop, Clear Data.
Then check for update in About Phone.
Then repeat these steps, and the update shows up on the second check. Repeated this on 3 phones to get 4.4.2 where 4.4.1 hadn't even popped up previously.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...to-never-clear-google-service-framework-data/
FunkyMagic-UK said:
Settings, Apps, All, Google Service Framework.
Force Stop, Clear Data.
Then check for update in About Phone.
Then repeat these steps, and the update shows up on the second check. Repeated this on 3 phones to get 4.4.2 where 4.4.1 hadn't even popped up previously.
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No. We already had a long thread about this. Please have a mod close this.
And not to sound rude - but if you're uncomfortable with sideload, you probably shouldn't have a Nexus.
I don't believe the Dan M statement is wholly accurate, given I've thoroughly checked the issues he says might arise.
I suspect it's more a case of him protecting Googles roll out schedule planning with a plausible explanation.
Not sure why someone not comfortable with sideloads shouldn't have a Nexus... it's just a regular consumer phone like any other.
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I don't believe the Dan M statement is wholly accurate, given I've thoroughly checked the issues he says might arise.
I suspect it's more a case of him protecting Googles roll out schedule planning with a plausible explanation.
Not sure why someone not comfortable with sideloads shouldn't have a Nexus... it's just a regular consumer phone like any other.
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1. If someone who writes the code for Google tells you not to do something and gives you a list of reasons, I would suggest listening. As pointed out in the thread it can cause problems and it isn't always something you notice.
2. Because there is no danger in sideloading. It will either work or refuse to flash.
3. It's a Nexus. It's meant for that kind of thing. It's EXTREMELY easy.
4. If they aren't comfortable with sideloading, they probably wouldn't know whether or not their device had an issue after the update. They could miss out on certain features, apps not functioning properly, etc. You are essentially telling someone computer illiterate that they should do something that could potentially mess something up on their device instead of doing something that is fool-proof. That's irresponsible. Not to mention - they wouldn't even know how to fix it if it did damage anything
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I don't believe the Dan M statement is wholly accurate, given I've thoroughly checked the issues he says might arise.
I suspect it's more a case of him protecting Googles roll out schedule planning with a plausible explanation.
Not sure why someone not comfortable with sideloads shouldn't have a Nexus... it's just a regular consumer phone like any other.
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What do you mean you've thoroughly checked? You've isolated and tested the behavior of every single app that uses GCM after a framework data clear?
I mean, you are essentially accusing an Android engineer of taking to reddit to lie.. but why? Considering they have provided an officially supported method of sideloading OTA updates the idea they are "protecting roll out schedule planning" is total nonsense.
There are only 2 possible scenarios here
1) Dan Morrill is being 100% truthful
2) Instead of simply disabling the "Clear Data" button in Framework which would be dead simple, Google has chosen to send engineers to social media to spread lies and misinformation
I upgraded from 4.4 to 4.4.2 with 0 problems , if Google says don't sideload what u gonna do no side load?
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seriously sideload is about the easiest way to do it other than being able to download it direct to the phone and parse the sdcard like the way phones used to work... i know windows machines and that whole "driver" thing you guys need to deal with can get annoying but it's really not difficult. if you are afriad of command prompts then wait the 2 weeks or so that it takes to get it rolled out.
People spend a good amount of time on making instructional threads, gathering information all in one place, doing everything in their power to make it easy for even a complete beginner to do stuff with their phones, and we still have people wanting them to do it the harder way.
And then they defend their thinking with some ridicilous conspiracy theory that completely contradicts the very nature of how Google DEMONSTRATES that they are 100% behind people sideloading (ie: taking the all of 30 seconds it takes to do) an upate onto their phone) by implying that they have a vested interest in slowing down the number of activations?
Seriously now.
You people crack me up. Before this person from google said do not do this we ALL did it multiple time on multiple devices at least I did. No core meltdowns... yet.
remember these are the same people who thought the Nexus 5 camera was good to go as is...
crachel said:
What do you mean you've thoroughly checked? You've isolated and tested the behavior of every single app that uses GCM after a framework data clear?
I mean, you are essentially accusing an Android engineer of taking to reddit to lie.. but why? Considering they have provided an officially supported method of sideloading OTA updates the idea they are "protecting roll out schedule planning" is total nonsense.
There are only 2 possible scenarios here
1) Dan Morrill is being 100% truthful
2) Instead of simply disabling the "Clear Data" button in Framework which would be dead simple, Google has chosen to send engineers to social media to spread lies and misinformation
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It's not worth your time trying to explain this. There are those who will always believe they are right. They will continue to ignore knowledge provided by those who are experts on the matter and believe they are right.
The most common excuse I read is "I've been doing it for so long without any issues". The technical explanation clearly states that the issues that happen are more often than not invisible to the user. Then they'll take to XDA to create a bunch of threads about "OMGZZZZ MY PHONE IS BROKEZORZ, GOOGLE IS TURNING INTO APPLE...RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE" and not even think that the issues might be related to breaking GCM in an app or similar.
Who cares if it can be bad. It can often be easier than sideloading, especially if you don't have a computer near by. I did it while waiting for my plane the other day and it was nice to have the camera improvements before I got to my destination. Just plan to do a factory reset after you get the update if it bothers you.
Not to mention, I am fairly sure whenever you install Google Apps after installing a dirty flashing an updated ROM it does the same thing as clearing data on the framework. I have certain apps I always have to reinstall or they stop getting push updates after doing that.
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It's not worth your time trying to explain this. There are those who will always believe they are right. They will continue to ignore knowledge provided by those who are experts on the matter and believe they are right.
The most common excuse I read is "I've been doing it for so long without any issues". The technical explanation clearly states that the issues that happen are more often than not invisible to the user. Then they'll take to XDA to create a bunch of threads about "OMGZZZZ MY PHONE IS BROKEZORZ, GOOGLE IS TURNING INTO APPLE...RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE" and not even think that the issues might be related to breaking GCM in an app or similar.
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I don't want to progress yet another thread about this within two days, but I completely agree with your last point. I bet half of the people that do this will post on here in about a week saying their apps aren't syncing/working and "nexus 5 sucks" etc etc. I've already responded to someone who was asking about his gmail not syncing properly on 4.4.2. I asked him if he cleared the framework to get the update. Would be a great example if that's why he's having the problem.
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Not to mention, I am fairly sure whenever you install Google Apps after installing a dirty flashing an updated ROM it does the same thing as clearing data on the framework. I have certain apps I always have to reinstall or they stop getting push updates after doing that.
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That's not the point. He's not telling people who are familiar with these phones to do it. He's telling people who have no idea what the hell they are doing to do it.
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I don't want to progress yet another thread about this within two days, but I completely agree with your last point. I bet half of the people that do this will post on here in about a week saying their apps aren't syncing/working and "nexus 5 sucks" etc etc. I've already responded to someone who was asking about his gmail not syncing properly on 4.4.2. I asked him if he cleared the framework to get the update. Would be a great example if that's why he's having the problem.
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Alright, the real question here is after someone has cleared the framework, is there a way to recover or go back without restoring a backup or reflashing an OTA from scratch? Or does it just take time for Google to catch up? And DO they eventually catch up to the device? Or is it inevitably doomed once you clear. We can argue about why or why not, but lets figure out how.
Love how people jump on this guy or the one from yesterday who posted it. Been doing this on my past 4 devices. If something clears, wouldn't it be like hard resetting your device. All the information will get populated back. I also believe the engineer said there is a possibility something can go wrong. There is always the possibility something can go wrong with anything!
You can screw up your phone just taking an OOTO. People just need to let it go. We also do not know what his true intentions were for saying that.
If you do not want to clear data, then don't but don't tell others not to do it unless anyone here has experienced a problem first hand in doing so.
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Love how people jump on this guy or the one from yesterday who posted it. Been doing this on my past 4 devices. If something clears, wouldn't it be like hard resetting your device. All the information will get populated back. I also believe the engineer said there is a possibility something can go wrong. There is always the possibility something can go wrong with anything!
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It is not a question of 'if'. If you clear the services framework, Gmail notifications are 100% guaranteed to stop working for a time (could be 10 minutes, could be several days). Thankfully, Gmail is one of the few apps that will eventually realize the GCM id has changed and is able to deal with it. That is not the case for other apps.
The problem is people here don't see their phone or apps crashing and think everything is fine. But a week later they realize stuff isn't syncing or notifications aren't coming in and they blame it on the software update.
Again?? REALLY!! Google say no, like it or not they are the experts...
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Alright, the real question here is after someone has cleared the framework, is there a way to recover or go back without restoring a backup or reflashing an OTA from scratch? Or does it just take time for Google to catch up? And DO they eventually catch up to the device? Or is it inevitably doomed once you clear. We can argue about why or why not, but lets figure out how.
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His true intentions were to stop people from potentially messing up their phones and then ignorantly going online or on an apps review page and spouting off about how broken the app or phone is. To think differently makes no sense.
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I am stuck in boot loop with this method
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OK, I'm going to start by saying I know pretty much nothing about rooting and I may come across as a paranoid conspiracy nut, but here goes.
I recently bought a Note 3 on Swappa. In the description, the seller said that he had removed all of the AT&T Bloatware, but the phone was not rooted. He also stated that a system reset would restore the AT&T apps. Well, the first thing I did was a system restore, but the AT&T apps were still gone. Not that I care about the apps really, but it seemed weird.
Today, I downloaded the "Root Checker" app on the Play Store and it told me that my phone was, in fact, rooted. I also downloaded SuperU and it verified that as well. I've also gotten Titanium Backup (Root) and it shows I'm rooted.
I posted a message on my sale page at Swappa mentioning this, but the seller is adamantly denying that the phone is rooted. He says they use their "own process" to remove the bloatware.
My question in all of this is is this: Is this something I should be concerned about? The seller seems less than honest about the phone being rooted. He is a "trusted seller" which is one reason I bought from him, but I'm super paranoid that there might be something on my phone that I'm unaware of. (a keylogging app, etc...) Is there any way to tell this? How do I go about truly returning my phone back to its original state? I system reset didn't unroot it.
Any advice from people out there much more knowledgeable than me about this?
EDIT: well, I took andygev35's advice and restored back to factory. However, I enjoyed playing around with the things that being rooted allowed, so I re-did it. A huge waste of time? Maybe, but at least I have some peace of mind over the whole thing now. Thanks to everyone!
If you're worried about anything unsavory that may be hidden on your phone, you could always restore back to factory condition using the guide and files in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2838117
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andygev35 said:
If you're worried about anything unsavory that may be hidden on your phone, you could always restore back to factory condition using the guide and files in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2838117
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Thanks, and holy crap - just glancing at that it looks like a total pain in the ass. This is why I never bothered to root in the first place. Do you think I'm being too paranoid? Or is is worth doing all this?
It's actually quite simple. I know it may look overwhelming at first glance, but there's really nothing to it. Basically the easiest method is to use the all-in-one file. Just download that, put your phone in download mode, plug it into your computer, run the Odin program, place the all-in-one file in the AP slot in Odin and click start.
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It's actually quite simple. I know it may look overwhelming at first glance, but there's really nothing to it. Basically the easiest method is to use the all-in-one file. Just download that, put your phone in download mode, plug it into your computer, run the Odin program, place the all-in-one file in the AP slot in Odin and click start.
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OK. I may do this when I get home. Thanks.
Honestly though I do feel you're probably worrying over nothing.. But I'd go back to stock so you can obtain updates if you desire
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Honestly though I do feel you're probably worrying over nothing.. But I'd go back to stock so you can obtain updates if you desire
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I agree it's probably nothing to worry about, but if he's anything like me, any doubt I have will always be there somewhere in the back of my mind nagging at me [emoji15]. Restoring wipes out any of that doubt.
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Don't Worry, Be Happy
Why wouldn't anyone want access to the root files in THEIR phone ???
You have root access to your PC or Mac, why would anyone want a provider to lock down their phone making things inaccessible.
You're not renting the phone, it's Yours (always try and have root access if possible).
google up moborobo and download it, its free and gives u full access to your phone, please download it and check it out -
You will love all the stuff you can do with a rooted N3 -
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I agree it's probably nothing to worry about, but if he's anything like me, any doubt I have will always be there somewhere in the back of my mind nagging at me [emoji15]. Restoring wipes out any of that doubt.
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I guess what bugs me the most is that the seller INSISTS that it wasn't rooted, when it clearly is. Its a "methinks he doth protest too much" situation. If he just owned up to it, I'd be less paranoid. If he can't be honest about the obvious, it makes me worry about the less obvious.
I've learned a little, and I'm kind of digging some of the options available now that I know its rooted. Considering spending this Saturday to restoring it back to "normal" and then maybe re-rooting it to have some of the things that I now realize I kind of want. I'm kind of worried I'm going to funk it up though... Jailbreaking seemed to be a much easier process, and harder to screw up.
Since we now have nc2 Odin files you are relatively safe in doing a restore.
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I guess what bugs me the most is that the seller INSISTS that it wasn't rooted, when it clearly is. Its a "methinks he doth protest too much" situation. If he just owned up to it, I'd be less paranoid. If he can't be honest about the obvious, it makes me worry about the less obvious.
I've learned a little, and I'm kind of digging some of the options available now that I know its rooted. Considering spending this Saturday to restoring it back to "normal" and then maybe re-rooting it to have some of the things that I now realize I kind of want. I'm kind of worried I'm going to funk it up though... Jailbreaking seemed to be a much easier process, and harder to screw up.
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I too am a former Jailbreaker and am so glad I jumped the fence out of Apple's walled garden. I do have to say, at least Apple readily provides the latest firmware for their devices. I can't understand why AT&T won't let Sammy publish our Odin files. As @mrkhigh stated, we DO now have the Odin files (probably gained in some nefarious manner by a sympathizing Best Buy employee), so now you can safely let the experimenting begin without worry.
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I'm curious to find out if it is actually a clone... The HDC Galaxy Note 3 is a damn good clone of the real thing and it ships rooted. They are pretty cheap and can fool almost anyone... If it is a clone, he might have been selling it to make more than he spent and didn't know it's rooted.
If it's not, it is possible that he either bought it from someone else and didn't know that it is rooted, or it is a stolen device.
I would call AT&T and give them the IMEI number to check that. Do not mention root or anything like that, just ask them to check it to see if it's flagged.
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I'm curious to find out if it is actually a clone... The HDC Galaxy Note 3 is a damn good clone of the real thing and it ships rooted. They are pretty cheap and can fool almost anyone... If it is a clone, he might have been selling it to make more than he spent and didn't know it's rooted.
If it's not, it is possible that he either bought it from someone else and didn't know that it is rooted, or it is a stolen device.
I would call AT&T and give them the IMEI number to check that. Do not mention root or anything like that, just ask them to check it to see if it's flagged.
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Pretty sure it's a real AT&T - I took it to the store and had them check the IMHO when I had it activated. I finally just uprooted and flashed the 4.4.2 stock on it (I'm learning the terminology here so hope that's right) from the first post.
The guy is a trusted seller and has sold tons of phones in Swappa. He advertises on all the Samsung at&t phones that he removes the bloatware but does NOT root the phone. But, it was.
In the end, I'm happy with the phone. Seller was less than honest about his process and hopefully he didn't steal all my bank info, haha, but the phone works great.
You have to root to remove all bloatware...
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Good to know though. *cheers*
Yeah, I asked him about that and he said they "have their own process to remove bloatware" that does not require root".
Like I said, he was a little squirrely about it.
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Yeah, I asked him about that and he said they "have their own process to remove bloatware" that does not require root".
Like I said, he was a little squirrely about it.
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Im sure its probably because he sells a lot of devices and didn't realize the one he sold had root.
Then when he talked to u he realized that u r uneducated about the subject so he thought he would bs u.
Of course one would have to have root access to remove root files.
I still don't understand why ur making such a big fuss?
If u don't feel like u lucked out, (like the rest of us do) just send the flipping thing back!
Did you download free moborobo?
Before he downloads that app... Excuse me... Complete PC suite.
Why do you think he needs it? I haven't seen anything on XDA about it, other than from you. And most everything I find on google/YouTube is Arabic, Chinese and Japanese.
It seems you are trying to advert it to new users that are unknowing and willing to take advice from most anyone.
I can give 2 things right now that are the same thing and one of them does not require a full PC suite.
Oh... And they are well known on XDA to be safe to use.
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Before he downloads that app... Excuse me... Complete PC suite.
Why do you think he needs it? I haven't seen anything on XDA about it, other than from you. And most everything I find on google/YouTube is Arabic, Chinese and Japanese.
It seems you are trying to advert it to new users that are unknowing and willing to take advice from most anyone.
I can give 2 things right now that are the same thing and one of them does not require a full PC suite.
Oh... And they are well known on XDA to be safe to use.
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Yeah, you're right. I looked at it but it seems to be completely unnecessary.
Just a general reminder, use of unknown applications can be dangerous. Please use caution in downloading, using or recommending anything you don't know to be safe.
Stryke_the_Orc said:
Just a general reminder, use of unknown applications can be dangerous. Please use caution in downloading, using or recommending anything you don't know to be safe.
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Excuse me but this is not an unknown app, it has been around for years and works wonderfully !!!
I have been using it since I got my N3 at thanksgiving and it works great, installs downloaded apk files in a snap, allows you easy navigation to your entire phone.Doesn't spam you. It just works great. I'm only recommending it because I have USED it for 9 months, (and you guys can't even google it?)
Since when do mods and forum gurus recommend staying away from something they have never used it, or even spent 10 secs researching ????
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=moborobo+review
I was only trying to help OP out. it is a great and FREE app for rooted devices, sorry for wasting ur time OP -
(ps - I found the software while trying to transfer my contacts and sms messages from my 4s to N3, which worked perfectly and easily, (after trying other stuff). It was after that I discovered how nice it manages everything)
This right here pisses me off
Sick of this damn call timer when trying to use other apps during a call.
Although that there isnt the main reason why I'm getting rid of this phone, I'll go ahead and add it to the ever growing list of reasons why I'm dumping it and getting a Nexus 6. Screw LG and their locked down pile of garbage. Sad thing is, it's so much wasted potential.
I love it when a new device comes out, and XDA becomes riddled with whiney posts about "this" or "that" which users say they 'hate' or 'can't stand'. Okay, so there's no publicized root method yet, deemed safe for consumerism, but once that's released I'm sure that every little quarky nuance will have a method to remove, hide, or alter in some way. The call timer has an option for hiding in the LG G3 via G3 Tweaksbox. With that example, I stand confident that this phone will have some type of similarities to, as I mentioned, "deal" with the things people complain about. Fact is, this phone is not impressively different from the G3, and there are no real profoundly engineered improvements made in the G4. You may ask, "Apex, y u bye did fone den?" Good question. My answer is this, I like LG's products and I appreciate the work developers are able to do, in order to make something good, great. So, in the meamtime, until root is available, you won't hear me having a hissy fit about (insert whatever) things. Samsung isn't for me, HTC is bunk, Motorola, well... been there, done that. I think most folks would respect those complaints be made on Reddit, or somewhere besides the place that developers afford us the grace of enjoying what they do for the community, free of charge.
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Although that there isnt the main reason why I'm getting rid of this phone, I'll go ahead and add it to the ever growing list of reasons why I'm dumping it and getting a Nexus 6. Screw LG and their locked down pile of garbage. Sad thing is, it's so much wasted potential.
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locked down how? seems pretty rooted to me
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locked down how? seems pretty rooted to me
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TWRP now too.. ROMS will be flowing soon.
Meh, I left the steaming pile of hardware failures that is a Nexus 6 for the G4. Volume rockers stopped working on the first one, new phone had screen issues, ya, the N6 isn't the greatest phone ever.
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locked down how? seems pretty rooted to me
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It sure was when I posted, or did you not see the date of the Op? Yay, you got root on a phone that should have been unlocked in the first place.
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It sure was when I posted, or did you not see the date of the Op? Yay, you got root on a phone that should have been unlocked in the first place.
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Angry much?
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It sure was when I posted, or did you not see the date of the Op? Yay, you got root on a phone that should have been unlocked in the first place.
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Because clicking a check box to unlock the bootloader is so hard. Root takes time on all modern devices.
Hahaha... Now root being available, I've installed debloated ROM and 3000mah battery serves me really well. Not to mention boost in speed as well. On stock ROM, I was missing my nexus 5 so much.
I hope you stuck around for a little longer. Feels like beasty phone just got injected with the steroid.
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Agreed....I was fed up with this phone.....root came and glory glory amen it's a better phone. Even with just a simple debloated ROM....can't wait till they really tweak the stock ROM like crazy. I probably won't go aosp....because of the camera app...whole reason I bought the phone...it deletes the side car RAW file in the default gallery aosp can't do that...neither can manual camera app or Fv5
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The thermal throttling and stuff needs some crazy tweaking...and a better kernel...my apps have to re draw too much...memory leak somewhere
Kingaries79 said:
This right here pisses me off
Sick of this damn call timer when trying to use other apps during a call.
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I'm not sure if you figured it out, but since we have root, you can download app ops from play store. Go to the phone section and disable draw on top. It will stop the timer. And so far I have not noticed anything wrong.
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I'm not sure if you figured it out, but since we have root, you can download app ops from play store. Go to the phone section and disable draw on top. It will stop the timer. And so far I have not noticed anything wrong.
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this is gold. i dont have a tmobile version, but thanks!!! ahh boo the side effect to this is that when someone calls, you dont see the answer/decline dialog and the notification bar doesnt work
ExTREmE99 said:
this is gold. i dont have a tmobile version, but thanks!!! ahh boo the side effect to this is that when someone calls, you dont see the answer/decline dialog and the notification bar doesnt work
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I checked and I still get the dialog box, make sure the option is checked in the call settings. I'm not sure what you mean about the notification bar, but I can drag down and click on the call, which brings me back to the call.
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I'm not sure if you figured it out, but since we have root, you can download app ops from play store. Go to the phone section and disable draw on top. It will stop the timer. And so far I have not noticed anything wrong.
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Thanks for this
Seems like a really silly reason to get rid of an otherwise awesome phone...
What's funny is that the current root methods as dangerous as they are. Are no more dangerous then when I had my Evo4g, and that team didn't have something like "OEM Unlock" to make it easier. No risk, no reward.
Not to mention that you can drag that icon anywhere on the screen so i dont see how it can be so intrucive during other app usage. Also why dont you just talk on the phone, your on a call, pay attention and stop playing with other apps, real easy
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I love it when a new device comes out, and XDA becomes riddled with whiney posts about "this" or "that" which users say they 'hate' or 'can't stand'. Okay, so there's no publicized root method yet, deemed safe for consumerism, but once that's released I'm sure that every little quarky nuance will have a method to remove, hide, or alter in some way. The call timer has an option for hiding in the LG G3 via G3 Tweaksbox. With that example, I stand confident that this phone will have some type of similarities to, as I mentioned, "deal" with the things people complain about. Fact is, this phone is not impressively different from the G3, and there are no real profoundly engineered improvements made in the G4. You may ask, "Apex, y u bye did fone den?" Good question. My answer is this, I like LG's products and I appreciate the work developers are able to do, in order to make something good, great. So, in the meamtime, until root is available, you won't hear me having a hissy fit about (insert whatever) things. Samsung isn't for me, HTC is bunk, Motorola, well... been there, done that. I think most folks would respect those complaints be made on Reddit, or somewhere besides the place that developers afford us the grace of enjoying what they do for the community, free of charge.
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your point is?
Would you be so kind as to elaborate on
XDA becomes riddled with whiney posts
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Hi all, appreciate best practice is always to read posted guides but I'm getting kinda old and too many threads are only relevant at particular points in time when the 5th Gen Fire was newer. So basically I'm lost in conflicting info on the guides and need some direction.
Starting point is i) I've got 'basic' experience of rooting and flashing roms, so my PC has got ADB drivers etc. ii) I have a stock OS 5.4.0.0 5th Gen Fire which is my elderly mothers and the intention is to get the crap OS removed and make it a simple Nexus 7'like device.
Can somebody please give me some step-by-step advice. I'm at the point where the device is developer enabled and ABD enabled. But the guides I've seen are all based on old OS's so I fear the whatever I try next will just brick the unit.
Thx in advance
As of now, 5.3.2.1 - 5.4.0.0 can not be rooted, much less have the bootloader unlocked to install a custom ROM.
aww bummer
OK second question : How should I treat the term "As of now"? Do you think there is any likelihood of a 5.4.0.0 root solution happening soon? i.e. weeks or months?
If its not gonna be a while, then I might just install the non-root google-play stuff and just shift the bloaty stuff out of sight if I can.
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aww bummer
OK second question : How should I treat the term "As of now"? Do you think there is any likelihood of a 5.4.0.0 root solution happening soon? i.e. weeks or months?
If its not gonna be a while, then I might just install the non-root google-play stuff and just shift the bloaty stuff out of sight if I can.
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EDIT: The usual warning: I am not responsible for any damage done to your device. If using ANY of these guides, you're doing so at your own risk.
That's about your only option at the moment. You can use the guide here, which will install the appropriate google services needed. You can then use this guide to manually 'uninstall' system/Amazon applications (you aren't really uninstalling them, just disabling them). Or use the automatic tool here, which will uninstall a significant number of the Amazon 'bloatware' and install the Google services and a few other Google related apps.
I CANNOT STRESS THIS NOTE ENOUGH: Whether you uninstall apps manually or automatically, please be aware you have to replace the Amazon apps BEFORE you uninstall them. For example, if you want to use contacts, you should install the necessary Google Contact APKs, open 'Contacts' then uninstall Amazon contacts. DO NOT UNINSTALL the Amazon Contact Storage APK or no contact applications will function properly, if at all. There is a guide here where you can install Google Contacts and get a fun little surprise as a result of doing so.
A factory reset will bring back all system apps you uninstall whether you uninstall them manually or automatically. So if anything stops working or you uninstall something that broke something else, factory resetting will fix the tablet, but you'll have to start over.
If you want to use a custom launcher like Nova Launcher, you can read this post which will describe how to do so. In this post I explain how to disable Fire Launcher without breaking the home button. Please read the WHOLE post, including the very bottom where there's a link that describes a 'fix' for the recent apps button (square button) which has a fit when you uninstall Fire Launcher (even on rooted devices). Just tap on 'hide Fire Launcher BEFORE' at the bottom which will take you to a page where you can activate widgets. Read the very bottom and it will tell you how to 'fix' the recent apps button. When you swipe closed apps using the recent apps button, swiping the last one will kick you to the lock screen or black you out for a moment. The fix is kinda cheesy, but it is a fix. I use it on my HD 8.
In this post I describe what Amazon apps I did NOT uninstall. Note this list of apps will differ slightly from the ones installed on the HD 7, but not by very much. This list MIGHT allow you to use Gmail (which doesn't work on any tablet model) and a few other apps.
Very soon, I plan to make a thread with a detailed tutorial on how to do all of this, so it's in one single spot for everyone to find.
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As of now, 5.3.2.1 - 5.4.0.0 can not be rooted, much less have the bootloader unlocked to install a custom ROM.
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For awareness/clarity: root and SuperSU (no other root manager) are the only prerequisites for installing a custom ROM on this device via FlashFire. The bootloader does not need to be unlocked.
Davey126 said:
For awareness/clarity: root and SuperSU (no other root manager) are the only prerequisites for installing a custom ROM on this device via FlashFire. The bootloader does not need to be unlocked.
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Thanks Davey, yeah I'm not ultimately looking for a rooted device, I just want a clean Nexus'like rom with no bloated crap on it. As a plan-B I will follow the other guide notes that DragonFire kindly provided. But primarily if you are still staying I can get Flashfire to install a custom Nexus rom, then please can you guide me to the appropriate instructions to make Flashfire come to life.
I have Flashfire installed...but it just warns there are no permissions etc.
Thanks
ebod said:
Thanks Davey, yeah I'm not ultimately looking for a rooted device, I just want a clean Nexus'like rom with no bloated crap on it. As a plan-B I will follow the other guide notes that DragonFire kindly provided. But primarily if you are still staying I can get Flashfire to install a custom Nexus rom, then please can you guide me to the appropriate instructions to make Flashfire come to life.
I have Flashfire installed...but it just warns there are no permissions etc.
Thanks
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A custom ROM (ie: Nexus) can not be installed on this device without root. I do not foresee that happening anytime soon with the so you're stuck with FireOS for a bit. It's not a bad skin once you get used to it.
@DragonFire1024 provided a nice summary of the available tweaks and associated caveats. I suggest going slow; start with the Google Play Store and some light visual customizations. Save the all-or-nothing 'debloat script' until have have a better idea of what to keep.
Most importantly, enjoy your new device and don't fret over what could have been.
This list MIGHT allow you to use Gmail (which doesn't work on any tablet model) and a few other apps.
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Ummm... Gmail works fine on my Fire.
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For awareness/clarity: root and SuperSU (no other root manager) are the only prerequisites for installing a custom ROM on this device via FlashFire. The bootloader does not need to be unlocked.
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I did not know that. If that's the case, as soon as root is obtainable I'm installing the Fire Nexus ROM.
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Ummm... Gmail works fine on my Fire.
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You're lucky then. Many users have had issues with Gmail either force closing or not working at all. Hope the rest was somewhat helpful.
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Ummm... Gmail works fine on my Fire.
I did not know that. If that's the case, as soon as root is obtainable I'm installing the Fire Nexus ROM.
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*IF* it becomes available. I've had my tablets almost a year, maybe a months or so under one. That's how long I've been waiting. Some have been waiting longer.
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Ummm... Gmail works fine on my Fire.
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Initially and for many months after the Gmail app worked fine on 5th-7th gen devices with Google Play Services/Store installed. The app started crashing on launch following a silent update (lasted about 2 months) then started working again a few weeks ago.
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Jake1702_ said:
Ummm... Gmail works fine on my Fire.
Initially (and for many months after) the Gmail app worked fine on 5th-7th gen devices with Google Play Services/Store installed. The app started crashing on launch following a silent update (lasted about 2 months) then started working again a few weeks ago.
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I read somewhere where quite a few people had put a bug report in or something to that effect. A few days later there was an update to Gmail. That's about the time I installed it and it worked perfectly for me. I'm willing to bet Google did something that that made it possible to use again. Did Amazon do something to block is from using it? In my opinion, not likely. But what caused it? Not a clue. There is some speculation it had to do to with a permission, but that's only speculation. This is something we'll likely never get the answer to.
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... as soon as root is obtainable I'm installing the Fire Nexus ROM.
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Don't get your hopes up. There's a reason securing root on Amazon and other manufacturer devices has become more difficult over the past 12-18 months. While I appreciate the euphemistic optimism shown by some the tightened security and legacy code cleanup initiated by Google is actually a good thing for the general Android user community. Of course, XDAers hate it (spare me the sermon on someone controlling *your* device) but they don't represent the much larger community that Amazon and other market driven companies are targeting. Business/capatolism 101.
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Initially and for many months after the Gmail app worked fine on 5th-7th gen devices with Google Play Services/Store installed. The app started crashing on launch following a silent update (lasted about 2 months) then started working again a few weeks ago.
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Might just have been the perfect period of time during when I had mine sitting and not being used. Guess I'm just lucky.
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Don't get your hopes up. There's a reason securing root on Amazon and other manufacturer devices has become more difficult over the past 12-18 months. While I appreciate the euphemistic optimism shown by some the tightened security and legacy code cleanup initiated by Google is actually a good thing for the general Android user community. Of course, XDAers hate it (spare me the sermon on someone controlling *your* device) but they don't represent the much larger community that Amazon and other market driven companies are targeting. Business/capatolism 101.
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It is definitely possible, just not enough people spending time on this device, they are all focused on more popular brands/devices.
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Might just have been the perfect period of time during when I had mine sitting and not being used. Guess I'm just lucky.
It is definitely possible, just not enough people spending time on this device, they are all focused on more popular brands/devices.
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This I will actually agree with. But to be honest, I really thought we'd have a good chance after Prime Day. I really thought we'd have gotten it then, but I still have hopes.
That being said, the tricks and hacks we've discovered over the last few months are pretty amazing. The method of 'uninstalling' I mentioned a few posts ago, was never intended nor expected to work on these tablets. It had sat on XDA for a couple days before I literally said out loud: "oh what the hell. I can't break anything." So gave it a shot and was incredibly surprised to see it really did disable Amazon Video.
With the tricks and hacks I also mentioned a few posts back, really does go a long way in terms of a custom ROM. Aside from the technical aspects and apps, in my opinion it's pretty much a custom systemless ROM. Though some may disagree with me very much.
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DragonFire1024 said:
This I will actually agree with. But to be honest, I really thought we'd have a good chance after Prime Day. I really thought we'd have gotten it then, but I still have hopes.
That being said, the tricks and hacks we've discovered over the last few months are pretty amazing. The method of 'uninstalling' I mentioned a few posts ago, was never intended nor expected to work on these tablets. It had sat on XDA for a couple days before I literally said out loud: "oh what the hell. I can't break anything." So gave it a shot and was incredibly surprised to see it really did disable Amazon Video.
With the tricks and hacks I also mentioned a few posts back, really does go a long way in terms of a custom ROM. Aside from the technical aspects and apps, in my opinion it's pretty much a custom systemless ROM. Though some may disagree with me very much.
Feel free to ask any question you like. We'll do our best to help.
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Funny how for months now this device still hasn't been rooted, yet a few days after the release of the Samsung Galaxy S8, it was already rooted. Simply, those devices have much more people willing to take time to find exploits for, whereas the Fire does not. It's a shame really.
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Jake1702_ said:
Funny how for months now this device still hasn't been rooted, yet a few days after the release of the Samsung Galaxy S8, it was already rooted. Simply, those devices have much more people willing to take time to find exploits for, whereas the Fire does not. It's a shame really.
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There just may not be any at the moment. Amazon has done a lot to this OS, so much so, I've seen posts where users don't even consider it an Android base anymore. Depending on what you read, I've seen other sites where some say its too butchered.
Also keep in mind when an exploit is found, some have been around for a very long time. So one may exist, but no one has either found it yet so no method exists or as you say, may not care enough to take the time to make a method. Every Android device is different. The OS is customized and programed to a manufacturers liking who also add their own customization, then is passed off to a service provider who further customizes it. In that period exploits are patched or simply don't work because what's exploited in certain devices, may not exist in other devices. The list and possibilities really could go on.
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There just may not be any at the moment. Amazon has done a lot to this OS, so much so, I've seen posts where users don't even consider it an Android base anymore. Depending on what you read, I've seen other sites where some say its too butchered.
Also keep in mind when an exploit is found, some have been around for a very long time. So one may exist, but no one has either found it yet so no method exists or as you say, may not care enough to take the time to make a method. Every Android device is different. The OS is customized and programed to a manufacturers liking who also add their own customization, then is passed off to a service provider who further customizes it. In that period exploits are patched or simply don't work because what's exploited in certain devices, may not exist in other devices. The list and possibilities really could go on.
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I wonder if it would be possible "break" the bootloader, so-to-speak, to a point where it "works" but is flawed, allowing the installation of a custom ROM.
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I wonder if it would be possible "break" the bootloader, so-to-speak, to a point where it "works" but is flawed, allowing the installation of a custom ROM.
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Not likely. I have a list of things to try on my head. Some simple, some outrageous. Truth is this HD 8 has been through hell. I've reset it more times than I can count. I've nearly disected it and to be honest I'm absolutely amazed I haven't broken it yet. So I'm giving her a break from that right now.
With that said, I have an HD 7 that's rooted. I have an idea to try some things using it, that could work on non rooted 7 and up tablets, that would be totally systemless that could open up the possibilities to some things. I've been disecting the HD 7 for some ideas and plan to do some testing very soon. I'm the type that will immediately look at all settings and functions and then look through every file, folder and directory I'm able to, so we can do what many of us have already achieved. Keep an eye on me
DragonFire1024 said:
Not likely. I have a list of things to try on my head. Some simple, some outrageous. Truth is this HD 8 has been through hell. I've reset it more times than I can count. I've nearly disected it and to be honest I'm absolutely amazed I haven't broken it yet. So I'm giving her a break from that right now.
With that said, I have an HD 7 that's rooted. I have an idea to try some things using it, that could work on non rooted 7 and up tablets, that would be totally systemless that could open up the possibilities to some things. I've been disecting the HD 7 for some ideas and plan to do some testing very soon. I'm the type that will immediately look at all settings and functions and then look through every file, folder and directory I'm able to, so we can do what many of us have already achieved. Keep an eye on me
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If someone were to go so deep to a point where they took it apart, maybe it would be possible to modify the bootloader by setting up a custom one.
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