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Simple Trick to Force the 4.4.2 OTA

So this is a well-known trick that has worked since the N4 but I wanted to share it anyway. If you go to check for the update and it still says up to date, try this method as it has just worked for my N5 and my N7:
Settings>Apps>All Tab>Google Services Framework>Clear Data>Go back to check update and it should work, if not try the steps again.
Like I said, this has worked for my previous N4, N5, and N7(2013). Each time, I tried the check update button alone at least 5 times in a row with no luck, then trying the trick and checking it worked for each device.
Oh and BTW, this trick if done EXACTLY like this DOES NOT invalidate the tokens like some claim. My play store and GMAIL are completely fine on both devices.
PS: Do this at your own risk/if your new to Android (Butthurt syndrome cured)

A Google employee also explained why you should not do this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...ear_data_for_google_service_framework/cdiymrp

Oh no you didn't.

myorks1127 said:
So this is a well-known trick that has worked since the N4 but I wanted to share it anyway. If you go to check for the update and it still says up to date, try this method as it has just worked for my N5 and my N7:
Settings>Apps>All Tab>Google Services Framework>Clear Data>Go back to check update and it should work, if not try the steps again.
Like I said, this has worked for my previous N4, N5, and N7(2013). Each time, I tried the check update button alone at least 5 times in a row with no luck, then trying the trick and checking it worked for each device.
Oh and BTW, this trick if done EXACTLY like this DOES NOT invalidate the tokens like some claim. My play store and GMAIL are completely fine on both devices.
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You're wrong, you shouldn't do that. A quick Google will tell you why

bozzykid said:
A Google employee also explained why you should not do this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...ear_data_for_google_service_framework/cdiymrp
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I read that post before and have yet to find a single issue with my devices and never had an issue for my N4 when I did it so I don't see what the big deal is...there is another very similar method that does indeed mess up the tokens but it IS NOT the same by any means.
Please prove me wrong, I will check anything on my phone that you think isn't working now because I did this the quick and easy way instead of wasting my time sideloading...

myorks1127 said:
I read that post before and have yet to find a single issue with my devices and never had an issue for my N4 when I did it so I don't see what the big deal is...there is another very similar method that does indeed mess up the tokens but it IS NOT the same by any means.
Please prove me wrong, I will check anything on my phone that you think isn't working now because I did this the quick and easy way instead of wasting my time sideloading...
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i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you don't work for Google, specifically the Android/Mobile division. but since you don't see what the big deal is (going against what a Google engineer says) we should all believe you.
this may not mess up your phone, but it wrecks havoc on the back end of Google's servers... when a Google engineer tells us all not to do something, then thoroughly explains why, it's probably best to heed his advice.

Tried this, took five data clears and it gave me the update. Thanks!
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Lucke said:
i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you don't work for Google, specifically the Android/Mobile division. but since you don't see what the big deal is (going against what a Google engineer says) we should all believe you.
this may not mess up your phone, but it wrecks havoc on the back end of Google's servers... when a Google engineer tells us all not to do something, then thoroughly explains why, it's probably best to heed his advice.
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It doesn't wreak havok on my end so why would I care?

I'll go out on a limb and say if it caused that much grief for Google the clear data feature would have been gone a long time ago.

Its worked since the nexus s btw
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I've done it with every update since ICS and never had an issue...and its always worked
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Glad I finally have some people backing me up lol, my brother is an engineer for Amazon and he thinks he knows everything too...

And this is how people who don't know better come here to XDA and mess up their devices because they follow bad advice that they read. Don't do this. It can have unintended consequences and according to Google has absolutely no effect on when you will receive an OTA.

muyoso said:
And this is how people who don't know better come here to XDA and mess up their devices because they follow bad advice that they read. Don't do this. It can have unintended consequences and according to Google has absolutely no effect on when you will receive an OTA.
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People who don't follow the exact directions you mean..and are you saying that this trick worked for 3 Nexus devices I own completely by chance after trying to update over 5 times each before doing the trick and then it working after the trick?

myorks1127 said:
People who don't follow the exact directions you mean..and are you saying that this trick worked for 3 Nexus devices I own completely by chance after trying to update over 5 times each before doing the trick and then it working after the trick?
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What I am saying is that it doesn't matter how many people like you swear that it works. The people who actually work on Android say it doesn't and that it can have bad consequences. And anyone who actually wants the update can simply sideload it with absolutely no ill effects if they want to force the update onto their devices early. There is absolutely zero reason to do what you swear works.

muyoso said:
What I am saying is that it doesn't matter how many people like you swear that it works. The people who actually work on Android say it doesn't and that it can have bad consequences. And anyone who actually wants the update can simply sideload it with absolutely no ill effects if they want to force the update onto their devices early. There is absolutely zero reason to do what you swear works.
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The reason to do it is to save time and hassle of doing all the steps needed for side loading, but no worries, I got the update faster and easier than anyone who side loaded with ZERO consequences to me..:good:, your Google knee pads must be pretty worn out by now huh?

Or you can just wait for the update. I'm still on 4.4 and happy about it. 4.4.1 brought radio issues, and 4.4.2 also seems to have a few bugs. Hopefully by the time I get the OTA, the bugs will be fixed.

myorks1127 said:
The reason to do it is to save time and hassle of doing all the steps needed for side loading, but no worries, I got the update faster and easier than anyone who side loaded with ZERO consequences to me..:good:, your Google knee pads must be pretty worn out by now huh?
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Yes, I am sucking Google's **** because I am telling users who don't know better that Google specifically said not to do this. You got me. My secret is out.

myorks1127 said:
It doesn't wreak havok on my end so why would I care?
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The problem is you don't know if it does. Because the GCM id changes, things like push messages from different apps will likely stop working (maybe permanently if they don't properly handle a changing id). You might not of noticed this much in the past because not a lot of apps utilized GCM push messages. However, more and more apps are using them today.

It's amazing that people will ignore advice from the people that have written the actual software. Just don't do it. The worst part about doing it is that you may not even know that something has messed up because its not obvious.

Thanks worked for me
Took me straight from 4,4 to 4,4.2 after 4 attempts

Force OTA if not comfortable with sideload...

Settings, Apps, All, Google Service Framework.
Force Stop, Clear Data.
Then check for update in About Phone.
Then repeat these steps, and the update shows up on the second check. Repeated this on 3 phones to get 4.4.2 where 4.4.1 hadn't even popped up previously.
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Note, this procedure is to be followed at your own risk. I have completed this successfully on 3 x Nexus 5 from v4.4, however I can not test all scenarios or be responsible for any subsequent issues, whether related to this method or not. If you cant accept this, then wait for the OTA.

FunkyMagic-UK said:
Settings, Apps, All, Google Service Framework.
Force Stop, Clear Data.
Then check for update in About Phone.
Then repeat these steps, and the update shows up on the second check. Repeated this on 3 phones to get 4.4.2 where 4.4.1 hadn't even popped up previously.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...to-never-clear-google-service-framework-data/

FunkyMagic-UK said:
Settings, Apps, All, Google Service Framework.
Force Stop, Clear Data.
Then check for update in About Phone.
Then repeat these steps, and the update shows up on the second check. Repeated this on 3 phones to get 4.4.2 where 4.4.1 hadn't even popped up previously.
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No. We already had a long thread about this. Please have a mod close this.
And not to sound rude - but if you're uncomfortable with sideload, you probably shouldn't have a Nexus.

I don't believe the Dan M statement is wholly accurate, given I've thoroughly checked the issues he says might arise.
I suspect it's more a case of him protecting Googles roll out schedule planning with a plausible explanation.
Not sure why someone not comfortable with sideloads shouldn't have a Nexus... it's just a regular consumer phone like any other.
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FunkyMagic-UK said:
I don't believe the Dan M statement is wholly accurate, given I've thoroughly checked the issues he says might arise.
I suspect it's more a case of him protecting Googles roll out schedule planning with a plausible explanation.
Not sure why someone not comfortable with sideloads shouldn't have a Nexus... it's just a regular consumer phone like any other.
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1. If someone who writes the code for Google tells you not to do something and gives you a list of reasons, I would suggest listening. As pointed out in the thread it can cause problems and it isn't always something you notice.
2. Because there is no danger in sideloading. It will either work or refuse to flash.
3. It's a Nexus. It's meant for that kind of thing. It's EXTREMELY easy.
4. If they aren't comfortable with sideloading, they probably wouldn't know whether or not their device had an issue after the update. They could miss out on certain features, apps not functioning properly, etc. You are essentially telling someone computer illiterate that they should do something that could potentially mess something up on their device instead of doing something that is fool-proof. That's irresponsible. Not to mention - they wouldn't even know how to fix it if it did damage anything

FunkyMagic-UK said:
I don't believe the Dan M statement is wholly accurate, given I've thoroughly checked the issues he says might arise.
I suspect it's more a case of him protecting Googles roll out schedule planning with a plausible explanation.
Not sure why someone not comfortable with sideloads shouldn't have a Nexus... it's just a regular consumer phone like any other.
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What do you mean you've thoroughly checked? You've isolated and tested the behavior of every single app that uses GCM after a framework data clear?
I mean, you are essentially accusing an Android engineer of taking to reddit to lie.. but why? Considering they have provided an officially supported method of sideloading OTA updates the idea they are "protecting roll out schedule planning" is total nonsense.
There are only 2 possible scenarios here
1) Dan Morrill is being 100% truthful
2) Instead of simply disabling the "Clear Data" button in Framework which would be dead simple, Google has chosen to send engineers to social media to spread lies and misinformation

I upgraded from 4.4 to 4.4.2 with 0 problems , if Google says don't sideload what u gonna do no side load?
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seriously sideload is about the easiest way to do it other than being able to download it direct to the phone and parse the sdcard like the way phones used to work... i know windows machines and that whole "driver" thing you guys need to deal with can get annoying but it's really not difficult. if you are afriad of command prompts then wait the 2 weeks or so that it takes to get it rolled out.

People spend a good amount of time on making instructional threads, gathering information all in one place, doing everything in their power to make it easy for even a complete beginner to do stuff with their phones, and we still have people wanting them to do it the harder way.
And then they defend their thinking with some ridicilous conspiracy theory that completely contradicts the very nature of how Google DEMONSTRATES that they are 100% behind people sideloading (ie: taking the all of 30 seconds it takes to do) an upate onto their phone) by implying that they have a vested interest in slowing down the number of activations?
Seriously now.

You people crack me up. Before this person from google said do not do this we ALL did it multiple time on multiple devices at least I did. No core meltdowns... yet.
remember these are the same people who thought the Nexus 5 camera was good to go as is...

crachel said:
What do you mean you've thoroughly checked? You've isolated and tested the behavior of every single app that uses GCM after a framework data clear?
I mean, you are essentially accusing an Android engineer of taking to reddit to lie.. but why? Considering they have provided an officially supported method of sideloading OTA updates the idea they are "protecting roll out schedule planning" is total nonsense.
There are only 2 possible scenarios here
1) Dan Morrill is being 100% truthful
2) Instead of simply disabling the "Clear Data" button in Framework which would be dead simple, Google has chosen to send engineers to social media to spread lies and misinformation
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It's not worth your time trying to explain this. There are those who will always believe they are right. They will continue to ignore knowledge provided by those who are experts on the matter and believe they are right.
The most common excuse I read is "I've been doing it for so long without any issues". The technical explanation clearly states that the issues that happen are more often than not invisible to the user. Then they'll take to XDA to create a bunch of threads about "OMGZZZZ MY PHONE IS BROKEZORZ, GOOGLE IS TURNING INTO APPLE...RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE" and not even think that the issues might be related to breaking GCM in an app or similar.

Who cares if it can be bad. It can often be easier than sideloading, especially if you don't have a computer near by. I did it while waiting for my plane the other day and it was nice to have the camera improvements before I got to my destination. Just plan to do a factory reset after you get the update if it bothers you.
Not to mention, I am fairly sure whenever you install Google Apps after installing a dirty flashing an updated ROM it does the same thing as clearing data on the framework. I have certain apps I always have to reinstall or they stop getting push updates after doing that.

Tony_YYZ said:
It's not worth your time trying to explain this. There are those who will always believe they are right. They will continue to ignore knowledge provided by those who are experts on the matter and believe they are right.
The most common excuse I read is "I've been doing it for so long without any issues". The technical explanation clearly states that the issues that happen are more often than not invisible to the user. Then they'll take to XDA to create a bunch of threads about "OMGZZZZ MY PHONE IS BROKEZORZ, GOOGLE IS TURNING INTO APPLE...RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE" and not even think that the issues might be related to breaking GCM in an app or similar.
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I don't want to progress yet another thread about this within two days, but I completely agree with your last point. I bet half of the people that do this will post on here in about a week saying their apps aren't syncing/working and "nexus 5 sucks" etc etc. I've already responded to someone who was asking about his gmail not syncing properly on 4.4.2. I asked him if he cleared the framework to get the update. Would be a great example if that's why he's having the problem.

Grims said:
Not to mention, I am fairly sure whenever you install Google Apps after installing a dirty flashing an updated ROM it does the same thing as clearing data on the framework. I have certain apps I always have to reinstall or they stop getting push updates after doing that.
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That's not the point. He's not telling people who are familiar with these phones to do it. He's telling people who have no idea what the hell they are doing to do it.

PsychDrummer said:
I don't want to progress yet another thread about this within two days, but I completely agree with your last point. I bet half of the people that do this will post on here in about a week saying their apps aren't syncing/working and "nexus 5 sucks" etc etc. I've already responded to someone who was asking about his gmail not syncing properly on 4.4.2. I asked him if he cleared the framework to get the update. Would be a great example if that's why he's having the problem.
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Alright, the real question here is after someone has cleared the framework, is there a way to recover or go back without restoring a backup or reflashing an OTA from scratch? Or does it just take time for Google to catch up? And DO they eventually catch up to the device? Or is it inevitably doomed once you clear. We can argue about why or why not, but lets figure out how.

Love how people jump on this guy or the one from yesterday who posted it. Been doing this on my past 4 devices. If something clears, wouldn't it be like hard resetting your device. All the information will get populated back. I also believe the engineer said there is a possibility something can go wrong. There is always the possibility something can go wrong with anything!
You can screw up your phone just taking an OOTO. People just need to let it go. We also do not know what his true intentions were for saying that.
If you do not want to clear data, then don't but don't tell others not to do it unless anyone here has experienced a problem first hand in doing so.

[email protected] said:
Love how people jump on this guy or the one from yesterday who posted it. Been doing this on my past 4 devices. If something clears, wouldn't it be like hard resetting your device. All the information will get populated back. I also believe the engineer said there is a possibility something can go wrong. There is always the possibility something can go wrong with anything!
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It is not a question of 'if'. If you clear the services framework, Gmail notifications are 100% guaranteed to stop working for a time (could be 10 minutes, could be several days). Thankfully, Gmail is one of the few apps that will eventually realize the GCM id has changed and is able to deal with it. That is not the case for other apps.
The problem is people here don't see their phone or apps crashing and think everything is fine. But a week later they realize stuff isn't syncing or notifications aren't coming in and they blame it on the software update.

Again?? REALLY!! Google say no, like it or not they are the experts...
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HOXnoo8 said:
Alright, the real question here is after someone has cleared the framework, is there a way to recover or go back without restoring a backup or reflashing an OTA from scratch? Or does it just take time for Google to catch up? And DO they eventually catch up to the device? Or is it inevitably doomed once you clear. We can argue about why or why not, but lets figure out how.
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His true intentions were to stop people from potentially messing up their phones and then ignorantly going online or on an apps review page and spouting off about how broken the app or phone is. To think differently makes no sense.
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I am stuck in boot loop with this method
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[Q] Bought a seemingly rooted phone on Swappa and I'm concerned...

OK, I'm going to start by saying I know pretty much nothing about rooting and I may come across as a paranoid conspiracy nut, but here goes.
I recently bought a Note 3 on Swappa. In the description, the seller said that he had removed all of the AT&T Bloatware, but the phone was not rooted. He also stated that a system reset would restore the AT&T apps. Well, the first thing I did was a system restore, but the AT&T apps were still gone. Not that I care about the apps really, but it seemed weird.
Today, I downloaded the "Root Checker" app on the Play Store and it told me that my phone was, in fact, rooted. I also downloaded SuperU and it verified that as well. I've also gotten Titanium Backup (Root) and it shows I'm rooted.
I posted a message on my sale page at Swappa mentioning this, but the seller is adamantly denying that the phone is rooted. He says they use their "own process" to remove the bloatware.
My question in all of this is is this: Is this something I should be concerned about? The seller seems less than honest about the phone being rooted. He is a "trusted seller" which is one reason I bought from him, but I'm super paranoid that there might be something on my phone that I'm unaware of. (a keylogging app, etc...) Is there any way to tell this? How do I go about truly returning my phone back to its original state? I system reset didn't unroot it.
Any advice from people out there much more knowledgeable than me about this?
EDIT: well, I took andygev35's advice and restored back to factory. However, I enjoyed playing around with the things that being rooted allowed, so I re-did it. A huge waste of time? Maybe, but at least I have some peace of mind over the whole thing now. Thanks to everyone!

If you're worried about anything unsavory that may be hidden on your phone, you could always restore back to factory condition using the guide and files in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2838117
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andygev35 said:
If you're worried about anything unsavory that may be hidden on your phone, you could always restore back to factory condition using the guide and files in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2838117
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Thanks, and holy crap - just glancing at that it looks like a total pain in the ass. This is why I never bothered to root in the first place. Do you think I'm being too paranoid? Or is is worth doing all this?

It's actually quite simple. I know it may look overwhelming at first glance, but there's really nothing to it. Basically the easiest method is to use the all-in-one file. Just download that, put your phone in download mode, plug it into your computer, run the Odin program, place the all-in-one file in the AP slot in Odin and click start.
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andygev35 said:
It's actually quite simple. I know it may look overwhelming at first glance, but there's really nothing to it. Basically the easiest method is to use the all-in-one file. Just download that, put your phone in download mode, plug it into your computer, run the Odin program, place the all-in-one file in the AP slot in Odin and click start.
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OK. I may do this when I get home. Thanks.

Honestly though I do feel you're probably worrying over nothing.. But I'd go back to stock so you can obtain updates if you desire
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mrkhigh said:
Honestly though I do feel you're probably worrying over nothing.. But I'd go back to stock so you can obtain updates if you desire
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I agree it's probably nothing to worry about, but if he's anything like me, any doubt I have will always be there somewhere in the back of my mind nagging at me [emoji15]. Restoring wipes out any of that doubt.
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Don't Worry, Be Happy
Why wouldn't anyone want access to the root files in THEIR phone ???
You have root access to your PC or Mac, why would anyone want a provider to lock down their phone making things inaccessible.
You're not renting the phone, it's Yours (always try and have root access if possible).
google up moborobo and download it, its free and gives u full access to your phone, please download it and check it out -
You will love all the stuff you can do with a rooted N3 -

andygev35 said:
I agree it's probably nothing to worry about, but if he's anything like me, any doubt I have will always be there somewhere in the back of my mind nagging at me [emoji15]. Restoring wipes out any of that doubt.
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I guess what bugs me the most is that the seller INSISTS that it wasn't rooted, when it clearly is. Its a "methinks he doth protest too much" situation. If he just owned up to it, I'd be less paranoid. If he can't be honest about the obvious, it makes me worry about the less obvious.
I've learned a little, and I'm kind of digging some of the options available now that I know its rooted. Considering spending this Saturday to restoring it back to "normal" and then maybe re-rooting it to have some of the things that I now realize I kind of want. I'm kind of worried I'm going to funk it up though... Jailbreaking seemed to be a much easier process, and harder to screw up.

Since we now have nc2 Odin files you are relatively safe in doing a restore.
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ThePorter said:
I guess what bugs me the most is that the seller INSISTS that it wasn't rooted, when it clearly is. Its a "methinks he doth protest too much" situation. If he just owned up to it, I'd be less paranoid. If he can't be honest about the obvious, it makes me worry about the less obvious.
I've learned a little, and I'm kind of digging some of the options available now that I know its rooted. Considering spending this Saturday to restoring it back to "normal" and then maybe re-rooting it to have some of the things that I now realize I kind of want. I'm kind of worried I'm going to funk it up though... Jailbreaking seemed to be a much easier process, and harder to screw up.
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I too am a former Jailbreaker and am so glad I jumped the fence out of Apple's walled garden. I do have to say, at least Apple readily provides the latest firmware for their devices. I can't understand why AT&T won't let Sammy publish our Odin files. As @mrkhigh stated, we DO now have the Odin files (probably gained in some nefarious manner by a sympathizing Best Buy employee), so now you can safely let the experimenting begin without worry.
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I'm curious to find out if it is actually a clone... The HDC Galaxy Note 3 is a damn good clone of the real thing and it ships rooted. They are pretty cheap and can fool almost anyone... If it is a clone, he might have been selling it to make more than he spent and didn't know it's rooted.
If it's not, it is possible that he either bought it from someone else and didn't know that it is rooted, or it is a stolen device.
I would call AT&T and give them the IMEI number to check that. Do not mention root or anything like that, just ask them to check it to see if it's flagged.

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I'm curious to find out if it is actually a clone... The HDC Galaxy Note 3 is a damn good clone of the real thing and it ships rooted. They are pretty cheap and can fool almost anyone... If it is a clone, he might have been selling it to make more than he spent and didn't know it's rooted.
If it's not, it is possible that he either bought it from someone else and didn't know that it is rooted, or it is a stolen device.
I would call AT&T and give them the IMEI number to check that. Do not mention root or anything like that, just ask them to check it to see if it's flagged.
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Pretty sure it's a real AT&T - I took it to the store and had them check the IMHO when I had it activated. I finally just uprooted and flashed the 4.4.2 stock on it (I'm learning the terminology here so hope that's right) from the first post.
The guy is a trusted seller and has sold tons of phones in Swappa. He advertises on all the Samsung at&t phones that he removes the bloatware but does NOT root the phone. But, it was.
In the end, I'm happy with the phone. Seller was less than honest about his process and hopefully he didn't steal all my bank info, haha, but the phone works great.

You have to root to remove all bloatware...
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Good to know though. *cheers*

Yeah, I asked him about that and he said they "have their own process to remove bloatware" that does not require root".
Like I said, he was a little squirrely about it.

ThePorter said:
Yeah, I asked him about that and he said they "have their own process to remove bloatware" that does not require root".
Like I said, he was a little squirrely about it.
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Im sure its probably because he sells a lot of devices and didn't realize the one he sold had root.
Then when he talked to u he realized that u r uneducated about the subject so he thought he would bs u.
Of course one would have to have root access to remove root files.
I still don't understand why ur making such a big fuss?
If u don't feel like u lucked out, (like the rest of us do) just send the flipping thing back!
Did you download free moborobo?

Before he downloads that app... Excuse me... Complete PC suite.
Why do you think he needs it? I haven't seen anything on XDA about it, other than from you. And most everything I find on google/YouTube is Arabic, Chinese and Japanese.
It seems you are trying to advert it to new users that are unknowing and willing to take advice from most anyone.
I can give 2 things right now that are the same thing and one of them does not require a full PC suite.
Oh... And they are well known on XDA to be safe to use.

graydiggy said:
Before he downloads that app... Excuse me... Complete PC suite.
Why do you think he needs it? I haven't seen anything on XDA about it, other than from you. And most everything I find on google/YouTube is Arabic, Chinese and Japanese.
It seems you are trying to advert it to new users that are unknowing and willing to take advice from most anyone.
I can give 2 things right now that are the same thing and one of them does not require a full PC suite.
Oh... And they are well known on XDA to be safe to use.
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Yeah, you're right. I looked at it but it seems to be completely unnecessary.

Just a general reminder, use of unknown applications can be dangerous. Please use caution in downloading, using or recommending anything you don't know to be safe.

Stryke_the_Orc said:
Just a general reminder, use of unknown applications can be dangerous. Please use caution in downloading, using or recommending anything you don't know to be safe.
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Excuse me but this is not an unknown app, it has been around for years and works wonderfully !!!
I have been using it since I got my N3 at thanksgiving and it works great, installs downloaded apk files in a snap, allows you easy navigation to your entire phone.Doesn't spam you. It just works great. I'm only recommending it because I have USED it for 9 months, (and you guys can't even google it?)
Since when do mods and forum gurus recommend staying away from something they have never used it, or even spent 10 secs researching ????
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=moborobo+review
I was only trying to help OP out. it is a great and FREE app for rooted devices, sorry for wasting ur time OP -
(ps - I found the software while trying to transfer my contacts and sms messages from my 4s to N3, which worked perfectly and easily, (after trying other stuff). It was after that I discovered how nice it manages everything)

Magisk Help Needed

As an IT professional, I truly hate looking like an idiot. And I'm pretty sure that's about to happen. But I'm sincerely at the end of my rope, and don't know what else to do.
I've been using my Nexus 6 for over a year and a half now, and I love it. I'm comfortable using WugFresh and recently flashed the 7.1.1 OTA using it. However, I also like using Android Pay, so I don't want to root. I do however want full Google Now integration in Action Launcher 3, now that it's available. I really, really want that.
So I looked into Magisk, and that seems to be the way to go. The problem is that the installation instructions seem inherently contradictory. First, they say you need to revert to stock (does that mean stock 7.1.1 or stock after FDR, btw?). But in the very next step, they tell you to flash Magicsk using TWRP. Huh? How is a custom recovery like TWRP considered stock? I just don't get it.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. I'm trying my best here, so please don't flame. I used to be comfortable with rooting and ROMing back in the OG Droid days, but as I said, I enjoy Android Pay and my banking app, etc.
Thanks in advance for some clear, non-contradictory instructions.

unbesorgt said:
As an IT professional, I truly hate looking like an idiot. And I'm pretty sure that's about to happen. But I'm sincerely at the end of my rope, and don't know what else to do.
I've been using my Nexus 6 for over a year and a half now, and I love it. I'm comfortable using WugFresh and recently flashed the 7.1.1 OTA using it. However, I also like using Android Pay, so I don't want to root. I do however want full Google Now integration in Action Launcher 3, now that it's available. I really, really want that.
So I looked into Magisk, and that seems to be the way to go. The problem is that the installation instructions seem inherently contradictory. First, they say you need to revert to stock (does that mean stock 7.1.1 or stock after FDR, btw?). But in the very next step, they tell you to flash Magicsk using TWRP. Huh? How is a custom recovery like TWRP considered stock? I just don't get it.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. I'm trying my best here, so please don't flame. I used to be comfortable with rooting and ROMing back in the OG Droid days, but as I said, I enjoy Android Pay and my banking app, etc.
Thanks in advance for some clear, non-contradictory instructions.
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Well first let me give you some advise. If those apps are important to you then get used to running stock. Google is tighting the grip more and more and very soon you will have to choose. Either having root or using many apps like banking apps and google pay. Cant blame them really.
Now When they say stock then mean bare stock. Full factory wipe (formatting all partitions. Yes you will lose data) then put TWRP on there and go from there.
On a side not. You do yourself a great dis-service by using the tool kit. Make me wonder about the IT professional statement, no true IT person would let something reprogram their equipment without knowing everything that is going on as it happens.

zelendel said:
Well first let me give you some advise. If those apps are important to you then get used to running stock. Google is tighting the grip more and more and very soon you will have to choose. Either having root or using many apps like banking apps and google pay. Cant blame them really..
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Kind of what I figured, and why I haven't rooted since my Droid Bionic.
zelendel said:
Now When they say stock then mean bare stock. Full factory wipe (formatting all partitions. Yes you will lose data) then put TWRP on there and go from there..
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So in other words, the correct instructions should be:
1) Perform a Factory Data Reset
2) Flash TWRP
3) Flash Magisk using TWRP
zelendel said:
On a side not. You do yourself a great dis-service by using the tool kit. Make me wonder about the IT professional statement, no true IT person would let something reprogram their equipment without knowing everything that is going on as it happens.
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So clearly you ignored my request not to flame. My IT job takes up enough of my time and mental resources that I have no problem using shortcuts like WugFresh as long as (a) I know how to do it manually if needed, and (b) I trust the utility. So tired of seeing this lazy insult. Not everyone has time to type out ADB commands all day long. But thanks for insinuating I'm not a "true IT person" because I prefer not to do so.
Now that I understand what is actually involved, I will just stay stock.

unbesorgt said:
Kind of what I figured, and why I haven't rooted since my Droid Bionic.
So in other words, the correct instructions should be:
1) Perform a Factory Data Reset
2) Flash TWRP
3) Flash Magisk using TWRP
So clearly you ignored my request not to flame. My IT job takes up enough of my time and mental resources that I have no problem using shortcuts like WugFresh as long as (a) I know how to do it manually if needed, and (b) I trust the utility. So tired of seeing this lazy insult. Not everyone has time to type out ADB commands all day long. But thanks for insinuating I'm not a "true IT person" because I prefer not to do so.
Now that I understand what is actually involved, I will just stay stock.
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No need to do a factory reset. The installation instructions state you should restore your BOOT image to stock, nothing else. You can use a custom kernel though (I've been using Franco for some time) and there the recommendation is to flash it before Magisk.
So, in other words, skip step 1.
Edit: But of course, you'll need an unlocked bootloader and if you don't have that already your data will be wiped when unlocking. So... step 1 might be necessary... Oops.

unbesorgt said:
Kind of what I figured, and why I haven't rooted since my Droid Bionic.
So in other words, the correct instructions should be:
1) Perform a Factory Data Reset
2) Flash TWRP
3) Flash Magisk using TWRP
So clearly you ignored my request not to flame. My IT job takes up enough of my time and mental resources that I have no problem using shortcuts like WugFresh as long as (a) I know how to do it manually if needed, and (b) I trust the utility. So tired of seeing this lazy insult. Not everyone has time to type out ADB commands all day long. But thanks for insinuating I'm not a "true IT person" because I prefer not to do so.
Now that I understand what is actually involved, I will just stay stock.
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And see that is where you not wanting to put the time in is starting to bite you. doing a facotry reset isnt really a full clean wipe. You have to format the partitions.
If you dont have the time then you really shouldnt be doing something that could easily leave you with a bricked device and with no one to blame but yourself as you didnt want to take the time to understand what you are doing.
As to what I said. It wasnt flaming it was simple blunt honesty. I know people are not used to that as everyone tries so hard to be PC and not hurt other peoples feelings. Well that is not how things work here. Here you will get honest answers. Might not be answers you like but that is not really something to worry about.
I wasnt insinuating anything. I cant tell you that most the older members of this site are in IT and have been for longer then smartphones have been around. The yare also the ones that tell people not to use them for the simple matter of not knowing how to fix things if something went wrong or even what went wrong at all.

zelendel said:
Well first let me give you some advise. If those apps are important to you then get used to running stock. Google is tighting the grip more and more and very soon you will have to choose. Either having root or using many apps like banking apps and google pay. Cant blame them really.
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Yes, sadly I think you are right about this. I have decided to remain stock 7.1.1. The thing I will never understand is why Google chose to make Google Now launcher integration dependent upon the launcher being a system app? I can already have that feature if I use the Google Now launcher which is part of the stock image, but for various aesthetic reasons I just can't stand it. I get that they want to sell Pixels, but honestly I can't stand the Pixel launcher either, due to the ugly icons, so even if I shelled out the price of a desktop computer for a phone that lacks wireless charging, stereo speakers, and water resistance, I still would be stuck not being able to have Google Now integration with my preferred Action Launcher 3. Why? Google's entire business model is based on people using their search engine and seeing their ads, so why on earth wouldn't they want as many people as possible to use Google Now? Plus I can already access it in multiple different ways, they just all suck because it doesn't stay resident in RAM, causing stuttering and delays. If they would just remove that stupid restriction then people like me wouldn't feel the need to root at all, thereby compromising the security of the device which is so important to them, and it would be a win-win all around. Google used to be smarter than this ... what the hell happened? /rant

Thank you Didgeridoohan for your polite and helpful reply. It is truly appreciated. Glad to know there are still kind people to be found on XDA.
My willingness to use ADB commands vs. a root toolkit had absolutely nothing to do with my question. But some people just can't resist any opportunity to display their smug superiority.

unbesorgt said:
Thank you Didgeridoohan for your polite and helpful reply. It is truly appreciated. Glad to know there are still kind people to be found on XDA.
My willingness to use ADB commands vs. a root toolkit had absolutely nothing to do with my question. But some people just can't resist any opportunity to display their smug superiority.
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He wasn't flaming... Take 2 minutes to learn ADB and fastboot commands and don't rely on some gimmick toolkit. and it will go a long way. For an "it professional" or even anyone relatively familiar with computers this won't be a hard task. If you're messing with your phone you NEED to know how to do this. Don't cry foul when someone points this out.

I've just got this phone new, and let me get this right....

I've got to wait 360 HOURS if I want to unlock this thing? AND give them my mobile number and email address???
Is that right? And nobody has thought thats ****ing weird til now?
I'm glad I haven't opened the box yet, think this will be being returned...

robneymcplum said:
I've got to wait 360 HOURS if I want to unlock this thing? AND give them my mobile number and email address???
Is that right? And nobody has thought thats ****ing weird til now?
I'm glad I haven't opened the box yet, think this will be being returned...
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Yeah, it really sounds like you need to send it back. using custom roms on a Xiaomi device isn't for you?
The 2 week wait is a security measure, and it was needed due to scammers. Yes, we all waited and honestly don't care to hear the whining. Hate to be a **** but it appears that you have been around long enough to know.
If you read more, you will see why Xiaomi choose to make people wait two weeks, and yes you absolutely must register your phone. It's actually very useful because you can enable Mi Cloud to backup and restore whatever files and programs/data should you need to wipe the device, and its the reason why the phone is unbrickable for the people that registered their devices.
Again, tens of thousands of us are just fine with all of that. 
If that bothers you then please do return it, and you will never know what a perfect device the Mi8 truly is.
The Mi8 is without a doubt one of the best phones for using custom roms, and we have a lot of great developers here, the camera is fantastic and even better when using the most recent Pixel Camera Mod
To go on, the recent beta Android 10 Miui is far superior to stock.
Another option is to downgrade and buy the Xiaomi A3 which comes with Android One and there is no wait to unlock the bootloader.
Sorry for being Harsh, but I surely answered your questions.

O understand why,and like you say, I've been here years with hundreds of devices.
It just seems odd they have my number, email and all access for 15 days whilst I get ’nothing’ back in that time. any thing I can do whilst waiting? Like root or app removal? Ad blocks...etc...?

robneymcplum said:
O understand why,and like you say, I've been here years with hundreds of devices.
It just seems odd they have my number, email and all access for 15 days whilst I get ’nothing’ back in that time. any thing I can do whilst waiting? Like root or app removal? Ad blocks...etc...?
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It's not that odd, the phone is warranteed. Personally, I register the warranty on everything I buy that costs a lot of money. At this point Xiaomi may make occasionally blunders. But I truly believe that they are highly ethical. They have had none of the Drama that certain other companies have had and they are one of the few who still allows for the bootloader to be unlocked.
There is plenty you can do, if you are fully updated to the recent Miui 11, you can turn off as, and using a non root ad blocking program such as Blokada or a Firewall program such as Adclear.. which works well.
Google how to properly bind your account to device or it could take longer. Your account must be bound to MiCloud and syncing. Once that part is setup then you can unlock the bootloader after 15 days.
Once you understand how it works you will find that it's actually very easy.
On the other hand, other devices such as One Plus are actually much more of a pain ( for some) due to their partitioning privileges structure.
Bide your time, and you will find it surely worthwhile. Slot of good information is available here in XDA which can be supplemented further by participating in Mi Community, at least initially, there is a lot of good steps with illustrations available and the users are highly active with being helpful.
Edit: Absolutely make sure that you register with correct information or you will be screwed. The account register your and IMEI, which again makes the phone much more secure.
Finally, during the 2 weeks read and take notes, this way you will know exactly what to do, when it's time to unlock the bootloader. I suggest using the Xiaomi. EU rom but that's a personal preference, there are plenty of time to choose from.

sadly I cant use this phone with my proper, usual sim card as I cant use it daily without root features I need, so I just have it with a spare sim in it for the 2 weeks and leave it at home, using my current phone. I will then unlock it with this spare sim in and then do the bootloader/twrp/kernals/roms...etc which I'm guessing will be ok to do? I wont be using a miui rom on it when it's finished, I had no intention of using miui when I got the phone, it was only bought for the hardware.