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I know VZW sucks when it comes to updates and everything. But I was hoping the nexus 4 would have 4G LTE...now that I have had LTE i can't go back.
I could see it "maybe" coming to vzw and other carriers like that down the road. Google playing it smart to roll unlocked first then go from there. In all aspects GSM is cheaper in many ways.
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Google's relationship with Verizon has been strained to say the least. I doubt you'll ever see the two working together in the life time of the Nexus 4.
Honestly I'd be surprised if Google even bothered to support US CDMA carriers at all.
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I could see it "maybe" coming to vzw and other carriers like that down the road. Google playing it smart to roll unlocked first then go from there. In all aspects GSM is cheaper in many ways.
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in a way i am happy though. because i am not a fan of LG products in any way. i still refer to LG as "Low Grade"
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in a way i am happy though. because i am not a fan of LG products in any way. i still refer to LG as "Low Grade"
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That was the coolest story I've ever heard.
If you don't like LG then why are you bit!!!ng here
I don't care as a T-mobile user
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I don't care as a T-mobile user
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Same, left Verizon after the OG Droid to T-Mobile for all the nexus phones following it. So glad I did. Costs me less than 1/2 the cost I was paying at verizon monthly as well
Yeah what about sprint too. But sprint lte is taking forever it is a mile away from me and the speeds are not even that great. Don't think its fully launched but knowing sprint for 11 years speed has never been there thing. Switching to T-Mobile soon
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I can't take it. After getting spoiled by having a Galaxy Nexus for just over a few weeks- I find myself really wanting the Nexus 4 but since Verizon wants to go all Fascist about what gets on their precious network- all of us Verizon users are all stuck out in the cold.
Does anyone actually think that maybe there's enough demand for the Nexus 4 on Verizon's network that they might actually listen and change a policy or two so that they'll work with Google to get it?
Not a chance. Google learned their lesson with the horrible CDMA carriers.
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Not a chance. Google learned their lesson with the horrible CDMA carriers.
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This. It's not up to Verizon.
Just switch to T-Mobile if you're in a good area, it's fast enough
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This. It's not up to Verizon.
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Sure it is. Google won't deal with them because of the way they treat their network. I blame Verizon, not Google. And if Verizon sees it's going to hit them in the pocketbook, then that's how change is made.
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Just switch to T-Mobile if you're in a good area, it's fast enough
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I'm not. Verizon has the best coverage in this area. And I'm on a corporate plan.
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Sure it is. Google won't deal with them because of the way they treat their network. I blame Verizon, not Google. And if Verizon sees it's going to hit them in the pocketbook, then that's how change is made.
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Definitely not up to Verizon! When Google says they'll make a CDMA version, THEN its up to Verizon....Google is not making one...yet at least
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Definitely not up to Verizon! When Google says they'll make a CDMA version, THEN its up to Verizon....Google is not making one...yet at least
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Okay- so answer this, WHY did Google not want to make a CDMA version?
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Okay- so answer this, WHY did Google not want to make a CDMA version?
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Because CDMA sucks?
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Okay- so answer this, WHY did Google not want to make a CDMA version?
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Because CDMA technology isn't used in most of the world. It also costs more in licensing out the modems and radio technology. Google wanted to make the Nexus 4 a cheap, unified device. Putting it on a CDMA network would cost them more money if they wanted to keep this idea in play.
They aren't going to make a model for CDMA because 95% of the world uses GSM.
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Because CDMA sucks?
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And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Verizon went Nazi and won't release timely updates to Android without extensive approval?
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And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Verizon went Nazi and won't release timely updates to Android without extensive approval?
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The issue isn't Verizon not updating the device. Google could care less. It's about paying more money to get a device to run on an obsolete network. Read my previous post.
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And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Verizon went Nazi and won't release timely updates to Android without extensive approval?
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That has something to do with it. Only apple gets away with that stiff it seems.
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The issue isn't Verizon not updating the device. Google could care less. It's about paying more money to get a device to run on an obsolete network. Read my previous post.
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Cute. So in other words- no Nexus 4 because Google could also care less about us Verizon folks using it or not.
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Okay- so answer this, WHY did Google not want to make a CDMA version?
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CDMA is a DEAD technology! Future is GSM!
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Cute. So in other words- no Nexus 4 because Google could also care less about us Verizon folks using it or not.
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I do not see how in anyway my response could be deemed "cute", but whatever.
And I said it's because Google doesn't want to be losing money on a device. The Nexus 4 is already DIRT cheap. Getting the proprietary CDMA radios licensed out for it would cost this thing called MONEY.
I'm on Verizon myself, but enjoy my Nexus 4 on T-Mobile. Stop your whining and get it on another carrier if you want it so bad.
If Google were to look at it from an American standpoint, yes putting it on our CDMA carriers would be logical as they have the largest consumer base, but they aren't. They are looking at it at a Global standpoint. We're one of the only countries that uses CDMA technology (yes there is a few small carriers here and there outside, but that's it). It makes MORE SENSE to put a device on a global standard format than one just for our carriers. The Nexus 4 was designed to be a cheap, fast, and universal device.
This is also the reason why the Nexus doesn't have full 4G LTE Support (Even though it can be tricked into reading 4G LTE rigidly with a MOD).
Licencing fees.
Either get a Nexus or Don't. Verizon can't do anything about a GSM device coming onto their network unless they were to redevelop it themselves, which in that case they probably would NOT sell it for $300.
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I do not see how in anyway my response could be deemed "cute", but whatever.
And I said it's because Google doesn't want to be losing money on a device. The Nexus 4 is already DIRT cheap. Getting the proprietary CDMA radios licensed out for it would cost this thing called MONEY.
I'm on Verizon myself, but enjoy my Nexus 4 on T-Mobile. Stop your whining and get it on another carrier if you want it so bad.
If Google were to look at it from an American standpoint, yes putting it on our CDMA carriers would be logical as they have the largest consumer base, but they aren't. They are looking at it at a Global standpoint. We're one of the only countries that uses CDMA technology (yes there is a few small carriers here and there outside, but that's it). It makes MORE SENSE to put a device on a global standard format than one just for our carriers. The Nexus 4 was designed to be a cheap, fast, and universal device.
This is also the reason why the Nexus doesn't have full 4G LTE Support (Even though it can be tricked into reading 4G LTE rigidly with a MOD).
Licencing fees.
Either get a Nexus or Don't. Verizon can't do anything about a GSM device coming onto their network unless they were to redevelop it themselves, which in that case they probably would NOT sell it for $300.
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Right. I got that from your first post. The "cute" was sarcastic.Guess I'll stick with Samsung for now.
And just where was I whining?
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Right. I got that from your first post. The "cute" was sarcastic.Guess I'll stick with Samsung for now.
And just where was I whining?
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Reiterating your belief that Verizon has control over a GSM device when people have told you they DON'T indicates whining to me.
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Reiterating your belief that Verizon has control over a GSM device when people have told you they DON'T indicates whining to me.
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No. Whining would be "But I reeeeaaaallllly waaaaaaannnnt iiiiittt! Why is Google so meeeeaaaann?"
I honestly had heard that Google stopped working with Verizon due to Verizon's policies about locking down phones on their network. They don't release updates in a timely manner at all. Hell even the GNEX still hasn't gotten 4.2.x from them. If you're not on a custom ROM, you're on 4.1.2 right now.
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No. Whining would be "But I reeeeaaaallllly waaaaaaannnnt iiiiittt! Why is Google so meeeeaaaann?"
I honestly had heard that Google stopped working with Verizon due to Verizon's policies about locking down phones on their network. They don't release updates in a timely manner at all. Hell even the GNEX still hasn't gotten 4.2.x from them. If you're not on a custom ROM, you're on 4.1.2 right now.
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If you really really want it that much, you'll switch to T-Mobile/AT&T and get one. Or even better, get yourself a straight talk sim card and no commitment, its only 45 bucks a month.
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What do you think about the Nexus 5 coming to Verizon
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Will update with some sources of speculation as they roll in
Funny read on Nexus 5 rumors on droid-life:
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/10/08/so-many-ridiculous-nexus-5-rumors-today/
According to CNET it will have Verizon support:
http://reviews.cnet.com/google-nexus-5/
Verizon Forums with some thoughts on the Nexus 5:
https://community.verizonwireless.com/message/1004704
It won't come to the useless CDMA carrier. They are happy with their ugly verizon logo branded phones.
VZW is a skank. You should ditch that skank.
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VZW is a skank. You should ditch that skank.
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Swerve, I don't have Verizon....
I want it to happen really bad but I know it probably won't. Verizon will never let Google have the software control they need because CDMA.
I really wish I didn't have unlimited data. Otherwise I'd pick a new carrier.
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If it comes to Verizon their going to screw it up somehow, someway!!:crying:
My prediction is it'll come compatible with Verizon's network, but Verizon will refuse to activate it and beat around the bush about why they won't, when they are obviously trying to find a way that they can install bloatware or otherwise screw with the device.
Just look what happened when deb came out.
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My prediction is it'll come compatible with Verizon's network, but Verizon will refuse to activate it and beat around the bush about why they won't, when they are obviously trying to find a way that they can install bloatware or otherwise screw with the device.
Just look what happened when deb came out.
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Naw..you mean JUST like they're doing on the Nexus 7 LTE tablet!?!
I would love to stay with Verizon. They are great at my job plus I get a work discount and I have unlimited data...With that said after the way they have handled recent big phones (like the HTC One) if they don't get the Nexus 5 (which they probably won't) I am out of here.
Yup I dont see it happening at all
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My prediction is it'll come compatible with Verizon's network, but Verizon will refuse to activate it and beat around the bush about why they won't, when they are obviously trying to find a way that they can install bloatware or otherwise screw with the device.
Just look what happened when deb came out.
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Well, a device without Verizon Navigator is not much of a device at all. They are just looking out for their customers and want to give them the best experience that they can.
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I REALLY want it to come to verizon.. The only reason why I'm still with vzw is because its either them, Alltel, or Southern Linc. And as ****ty as it is, vzw is the best of those :/
My gnex is getting old and tired and I would relaly like to replace it with the N5. But time will tell. I'm not very optimistic though...
I know this will be a bit selfish, but I hope it won't come to Verizon. They messed everything up, will remove Google Wallet, add their own bloatwares and giant ugly logos, not to mention 6months late updates, it will give a bad reputation to the Nexus brand.
However what I wouldn't mind is if Google work with Verizon and Sprint to make a CDMA device but with pure and unadulterated Android without the firmware being messed with, although Verizon would not agree to that, they need to put in CarrierIQ and what not.
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I know this will be a bit selfish, but I hope it won't come to Verizon. They messed everything up, will remove Google Wallet, add their own bloatwares and giant ugly logos, not to mention 6months late updates, it will give a bad reputation to the Nexus brand.
However what I wouldn't mind is if Google work with Verizon and Sprint to make a CDMA device but with pure and unadulterated Android without the firmware being messed with, although Verizon would not agree to that, they need to put in CarrierIQ and what not.
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According to leaks....nexus 5 is already compatible with CDMA....at least from what ive read....the issue is that verizon wont let you activate/use it...again from what ive read
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I think that it's compatible with CDMA, just not Verizon's CDMA. Something about it skips over the 800 band in CDMA. If I recall correctly anyways.
Wonder why CNET assume it's coming to Verizon?
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CBMC said:
Wonder why CNET assume it's coming to Verizon?
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I wonder why anyone still read or trust CNET.
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I wonder why anyone still read or trust CNET.
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Yeah. The author probably saw cdma bands in the fcc filing and assumed that meant Verizon(not realizing that they were not Verizon bands) . I really doubt that this writer has some inside information about the phone coming to Verizon.
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Screw Verizon and its users. Yes, Verizon has a great network, but NO it's not worth getting raped by them and having to use their locked down hacked phones and over priced plans.
Verizon and AT&T are the big brothers of the cell industry, their mentality of "You will take what we give you and like it." is killing it for consumers. Yeah T-Mobile and Sprint has worse networks, but the more people that move to them will show the giants they can't operate like that.
I would drop Verizon in a heartbeat if I could. Paying for a single line with 1gb of data and it's right at 100 bucks. And that's with my 17% discount through work! But, I can't drop Verizon... It's either them or alltel for my area...
The international variant will kick ass with an awesome Samsung Exynos processor. That phone will not be available to us folks in North America. I am sure that the international variant will not support AT&T or T-Mobile's LTE frequencies.
AT&T will lock down their S5 with a locked bootloader, and/or make it extremely difficult for anyone to even root it. This just results in more bricks. T-Mobile's model will not have a locked bootloader, but won't play super nice with us AT&T folks. (The TMO Note 3 sucks on AT&T LTE for example).
Samsung needs to STOP releasing so many variants of their flagship phones. Why can't they release one variant and dictate to the carriers what can and cannot go on it? Now that would be something worthwhile to copy Apple for, don't ya think?
Anyway, I hope I am VERY wrong once the S5 gets announced. If its the same story as every previous gen, then I will be skipping it this time.
EDIT: Ok, so it won't be the same story this time around because the majority of everyone will be SKIPPING THE S5. PERIOD.
I agree completely.
I think all carriers should offer a locked variant for a smaller amount and an unlocked version for the "Next" plan being we are going to be paying full price anyway. Not that I want to pay more but for $50 or $100 I'd pay extra for the international
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MattMJB0188 said:
The international variant will kick ass with an awesome Samsung Exynos processor. That phone will not be available to us folks in North America. I am sure that the international variant will not support AT&T or T-Mobile's LTE frequencies.
AT&T will lock down their S5 with a locked bootloader, and/or make it extremely difficult for anyone to even root it. This just results in more bricks. T-Mobile's model will not have a locked bootloader, but won't play super nice with us AT&T folks. (The TMO Note 3 sucks on AT&T LTE for example).
Samsung needs to STOP releasing so many variants of their flagship phones. Why can't they release one variant and dictate to the carriers what can and cannot go on it? Now that would be something worthwhile to copy Apple for, don't ya think?
Anyway, I hope I am VERY wrong once the S5 gets announced. If its the same story as every previous gen, then I will be skipping it this time.
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Do what?? You do understand why they have to release a different version for North America, right? It's not really Samsung's fault that our carriers can't get their s**t together when it comes to their networks and frequencies. The Exynos doesn't support our LTE bands. Since America isn't the world (despite what most of the people in this country seem to think), I'd say they are correct in making a phone that works with for the rest of the world. We still get the Snapdragon 805 which is by no means a bad processor. Also, you want to complain about a locked bootloader on the AT&T version? How about saying something to the NSA's butt buddy. Samsung is in the business of making money. Want to make money selling to AT&T? Follow their rules.
Lastly, the Galaxy S6 will have a Exynos that supports our LTE bands. You can always wait. I know it's a difficult concept these days but it is possible.
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Lastly, the Galaxy S6 will have a Exynos that supports our LTE bands. You can always wait. I know it's a difficult concept these days but it is possible.
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There will never be an Exynos supporting CDMA or for that matter any high-end Exynos with integrated modem. Furthermore that's besides the point, your whole post is nonsense, the processors themselves are not limited to anything. The Note 2 shipped worldwide with Exynos + Qualcomm modems.
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There will never be an Exynos supporting CDMA or for that matter any high-end Exynos with integrated modem. Furthermore that's besides the point, your whole post is nonsense, the processors themselves are not limited to anything. The Note 2 shipped worldwide with Exynos + Qualcomm modems.
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Really? That's why the S2 only had a Exynos available for Sprint and not any other carrier. Due to it supporting WiMax and not LTE. Of course that single device is just one example.
Our current phones are also examples of this occurrence.
To say a processor isn't limited by anything just show your level of understanding of SoC's. To use one device as an example of why something is incorrect is flawed.
Of course I would certainly admit that my posts are wrong if you have verifiable evidence of it being the case. What's your reasoning for the use of the Snapdragon as opposed to the Exynos other than limitations and support?
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I'll admit I was slightly off. The S2 Exynos didn't support LTE. However, the Exynos 5 does - do a degree. It is "capable" of utilizing the LTE bands here but it does't meet power requirements. So I guess if you want a phone that eats your battery, that's all you. Of course everyone already complains about battery power as it is - I can only imagine one with an inefficient LTE modem.
Oh, a resource might be handy. Here's one of many.
http://phandroid.com/2013/03/29/samsung-exynos-5-octa-lte-support/
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To say a processor isn't limited by anything just show your level of understanding of SoC's.
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Are you for real?
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What's your reasoning for the use of the Snapdragon as opposed to the Exynos other than limitations and support?
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Price, availability, performance are the only reasons. Samsungs own SoCs are too expensive and lately they sucked.
Any SoC can be bundled with any modem and there are no technical limitations. The choice boils down to business decisions. Period.
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Are you for real?
Price, availability, performance are the only reasons. Samsungs own SoCs are too expensive and lately they sucked.
Any SoC can be bundled with any modem and there are no technical limitations. The choice boils down to business decisions. Period.
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That's why the S2 only has the Exynos on Sprint and the common knowledge was that it didn't support LTE. There are hardware limitations, compatibility issues, drivers, and a host of other reason why a processor can't be paired with something. So yes, really.
Again, I will recant my statement given verifiable proof stating otherwise. Until then, I can only assume that this thread is just another sign of this site going downhill lately.
At least years ago people would wait until the phone comes out before they complained about it.
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That's why the S2 only has the Exynos on Sprint and the common knowledge was that it didn't support LTE.
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Common knowledge to whom? Forum geniuses who like to spread false assumptions and BS "reports " like you did in the post before just now?
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Do you then know what you're talking about or are you spewing buzzwords around?
Any SoC with an SPI or HSIC bus can be connected to any modem because they are standard interconnects. There are no driver issues nor any other source of incompatibility, nor any other vague inexistent reasons you seem incapable of specifying.
The S2 in NA had Snapdragons because of CDMA and it was cheaper to use Qualcomms solution. Qualcomm provides a discount to OEMs if they buy a platform as a package so keep in mind the financial aspect of that choice.
Your Sprint version had Exynos due to another third-party modem due to WiMax which QC didn't provide.
The S3 had a Snapdragon in NA because its MDM solution had a monopoly on LTE for all carriers. The One X was in the very same situation and the reason why they didn't use a Tegra 3 in the NA variant.
The Note 2 launched on Exynos world-wide because QC had a discrete LTE modem available by this time. The S3 LTE (9305) launched at the same time internationally. The reason for this is why this thread was even brought up, the 4412 was simply superior to the Snapdragon S3. The NA userbase is bitter still due to this fact.
The S4 was meant to be NA and Japan QC only but the 5410 was broken performance and consumption wise and it ended up with that all global LTE variants except the Korean one came with a QC chip. The international Exynos versions with LTE were cancelled. In fact, all Exynos versions in LTE markets were cancelled, you could not buy a 3G S4 in Europe.
The Note 3 was initially planned with a 5410 but that also got shelved due to above reasons. It was a miracle that the 5420 was made in time else the Note 3 would have been Qualcomm exclusive world-wide (And I have good source on that it was planned like that).
Now again Qualcomm has a monopoly on LTE-A on their MDM solution as there are no discrete modems currently available, and why all LTE-A devices are S800 solutions.
The S5 will likely still be in the same situation. There will be no competitive discrete products to compete with QC until later this year so you can expect the status quo of different models to continue until then.
So please stop spewing uninformed BS around if you have not the slightest grasp of the industry.
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That's why the S2 only has the Exynos on Sprint and the common knowledge was that it didn't support LTE. There are hardware limitations, compatibility issues, drivers, and a host of other reason why a processor can't be paired with something. So yes, really.
Again, I will recant my statement given verifiable proof stating otherwise. Until then, I can only assume that this thread is just another sign of this site going downhill lately.
At least years ago people would wait until the phone comes out before they complained about it.
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I have to agree, I had the GN10.1 2014 Edition (Exynos WiFi Model) and it stuttered worse than Forest Gump, my GN3 on the other hand with SD800 was rock solid.
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Common knowledge to whom? Forum geniuses who like to spread false assumptions and BS "reports " like you did in the post before just now? Do you then know what you're talking about or are you spewing buzzwords around?
Any SoC with an SPI or HSIC bus can be connected to any modem because they are standard interconnects. There are no driver issues nor any other source of incompatibility, nor any other vague inexistent reasons you seem incapable of specifying.
The S2 in NA had Snapdragons because of CDMA and it was cheaper to use Qualcomms solution. Qualcomm provides a discount to OEMs if they buy a platform as a package so keep in mind the financial aspect of that choice.
Your Sprint version had Exynos due to another third-party modem due to WiMax which QC didn't provide.
The S3 had a Snapdragon in NA because its MDM solution had a monopoly on LTE for all carriers. The One X was in the very same situation and the reason why they didn't use a Tegra 3 in the NA variant.
The Note 2 launched on Exynos world-wide because QC had a discrete LTE modem available by this time. The S3 LTE (9305) launched at the same time internationally. The reason for this is why this thread was even brought up, the 4412 was simply superior to the Snapdragon S3. The NA userbase is bitter still due to this fact.
The S4 was meant to be NA and Japan QC only but the 5410 was broken performance and consumption wise and it ended up with that all global LTE variants except the Korean one came with a QC chip. The international Exynos versions with LTE were cancelled. In fact, all Exynos versions in LTE markets were cancelled, you could not buy a 3G S4 in Europe.
The Note 3 was initially planned with a 5410 but that also got shelved due to above reasons. It was a miracle that the 5420 was made in time else the Note 3 would have been Qualcomm exclusive world-wide (And I have good source on that it was planned like that).
Now again Qualcomm has a monopoly on LTE-A on their MDM solution as there are no discrete modems currently available, and why all LTE-A devices are S800 solutions.
The S5 will likely still be in the same situation. There will be no competitive discrete products to compete with QC until later this year so you can expect the status quo of different models to continue until then.
So please stop spewing uninformed BS around if you have not the slightest grasp of the industry.
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wow, just wow. So still no sources for all those words? Not to mention you're getting very lippy using "bs" and telling me how I'm "spewing" things. Interestingly enough, I stayed that I would admit that I'm wrong if given the proper evidence. In no way was I personally attacking you, nor did I sink to using loose insult attempts with abbreviations of vulgur phrases.
Yet another shining example of the downward trend this site has seen lately. You want to provide sources to back statements? Good. Otherwise I can start throwing around conspiracy paradigms about one entity controlling sunlight and all tech used to view it.
For the record, I don't recall my Exynos device being more expensive than the SD equivalent. And just because two objects plug together doesn't mean they work well together if at all. Anyone that has built a computer can tell you that. Hell, I guess I can take the SoC from this phone and toss it in my old G2 and have all sorts of Frankenstein badassery :silly:
Again, all I'm asking for is proof. "Hey, you misunderstand the reason for this here's why" post link. Done. Without the other asinine 12 year old attitude. You seem intelligent, you should portray yourself as such.
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wow, just wow. So still no sources for all those words?
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I'm the source as far as you're concerned. I broke the story on several topics over the last year, and I'm not going to post some third-party site which rehashes what I say just to give weight to it for incredulents like you. My track-record speaks for itself.
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For the record, I don't recall my Exynos device being more expensive than the SD equivalent.
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You already show that you don't comprehend the difference between component cost and device cost. Please stop trying to participate in this discussion.
The 5410 costed about $30 while the S600 was only $20, and that you can find yourself on the web.
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wow, just wow. So still no sources for all those words? Not to mention you're getting very lippy using "bs" and telling me how I'm "spewing" things. Interestingly enough, I stayed that I would admit that I'm wrong if given the proper evidence. In no way was I personally attacking you, nor did I sink to using loose insult attempts with abbreviations of vulgur phrases.
Yet another shining example of the downward trend this site has seen lately. You want to provide sources to back statements? Good. Otherwise I can start throwing around conspiracy paradigms about one entity controlling sunlight and all tech used to view it.
For the record, I don't recall my Exynos device being more expensive than the SD equivalent. And just because two objects plug together doesn't mean they work well together if at all. Anyone that has built a computer can tell you that. Hell, I guess I can take the SoC from this phone and toss it in my old G2 and have all sorts of Frankenstein badassery :silly:
Again, all I'm asking for is proof. "Hey, you misunderstand the reason for this here's why" post link. Done. Without the other asinine 12 year old attitude. You seem intelligent, you should portray yourself as such.
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I agree, AndreiLux was a little too offensive, but dude, do you even know who this guy is? Do a little search about his work and background before you call his knowledge hokey.
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The international variant will kick ass with an awesome Samsung Exynos processor. That phone will not be available to us folks in North America. I am sure that the international variant will not support AT&T or T-Mobile's LTE frequencies.
AT&T will lock down their S5 with a locked bootloader, and/or make it extremely difficult for anyone to even root it. This just results in more bricks. T-Mobile's model will not have a locked bootloader, but won't play super nice with us AT&T folks. (The TMO Note 3 sucks on AT&T LTE for example).
Samsung needs to STOP releasing so many variants of their flagship phones. Why can't they release one variant and dictate to the carriers what can and cannot go on it? Now that would be something worthwhile to copy Apple for, don't ya think?
Anyway, I hope I am VERY wrong once the S5 gets announced. If its the same story as every previous gen, then I will be skipping it this time.
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I couldn't disagree anymore. First, this is all speculative, no facts. Second, the Tmobile note 3 works PERFECTLY with AT&Ts'LTE network (25-45 Mbps in the dmv area) which is great so it could be the same with the S5.
AT&T is highly likely going to lock the boot loader but there's going to be ways around it especially for a major phone like this (the note 3 for AT&T for example). It may not be as dev friendly as the international version but it'll have support for sure. It's better to look at the positives instead of focusing on the negatives.
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I couldn't disagree anymore. First, this is all speculative, no facts. Second, the Tmobile note 3 works PERFECTLY with AT&Ts'LTE network (25-45 Mbps in the dmv area) which is great so it could be the same with the S5.
AT&T is highly likely going to lock the boot loader but there's going to be ways around it especially for a major phone like this (the note 3 for AT&T for example). It may not be as dev friendly as the international version but it'll have support for sure. It's better to look at the positives instead of focusing on the negatives.
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I see root as a strong possibility, but getting an unlocked bootloader on a Verizon or AT&T version is not likely. Did they achieve that with the GS4? The last I read (and just did a Google search) the answer seems to be no.
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I see root as a strong possibility, but getting an unlocked bootloader on a Verizon or AT&T version is not likely. Did they achieve that with the GS4? The last I read (and just did a Google search) the answer seems to be no.
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Root will be achieve and custom roms will happen. I'm pretty sure the AT&T and Verizon versions will have a locked boot loader which sucks, but it won't stop development (at least in the beginning until they patch the exploit that will lead to custom roms and stuff). Who knows, the devs may find a way to unlock those boot loaders.
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barondebxl said:
I couldn't disagree anymore. First, this is all speculative, no facts. Second, the Tmobile note 3 works PERFECTLY with AT&Ts'LTE network (25-45 Mbps in the dmv area) which is great so it could be the same with the S5.
AT&T is highly likely going to lock the boot loader but there's going to be ways around it especially for a major phone like this (the note 3 for AT&T for example). It may not be as dev friendly as the international version but it'll have support for sure. It's better to look at the positives instead of focusing on the negatives.
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That's fine. You can disagree all you want. The past speaks for itself. How they have done things in the past has ultimately been a nightmare for us folks who enjoy using our phones the way we like. I bet you anything the S5 will be the same as far as excluding the exynos processor and bootloader.
The T-Mobile Note 3 does get AT&T LTE, however, in my experience the LTE signal was horrible. Everywhere my AT&T branded S4 got a good LTE signal, my TMO N3 would struggle to pick up even one bar. And your wrong about AT&T versions having more development support. The AT&T S4 development is practically dead. The N3 for AT&T has active development, but its much more difficult for someone to root or use safestrap than previous methods. It is also very dangerous to attempt these new methods. Locked bootloaders only leads to more bricks. ENOUGH SAID.
Can't be positive, gotta be realistic.
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That's fine. You can disagree all you want. The past speaks for itself. How they have done things in the past has ultimately been a nightmare for us folks who enjoy using our phones the way we like. I bet you anything the S5 will be the same as far as excluding the exynos processor and bootloader.
The T-Mobile Note 3 does get AT&T LTE, however, in my experience the LTE signal was horrible. Everywhere my AT&T branded S4 got a good LTE signal, my TMO N3 would struggle to pick up even one bar. And your wrong about AT&T versions having more development support. The AT&T S4 development is practically dead. The N3 for AT&T has active development, but its much more difficult for someone to root or use safestrap than previous methods. It is also very dangerous to attempt these new methods. Locked bootloaders only leads to more bricks. ENOUGH SAID.
Can't be positive, gotta be realistic.
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You're not being realistic my friend, you sound negative.
You should have said that earlier about the tmobile devices not playing nice on AT&T LTE network, you can't speak for everyone cause I had great speed with my Tmobile note 3 on AT&T.
Again you're misunderstanding, I never said the Ar&t s4 got better development than the others, I said at least it got development despite the locked boot loaders.
And lastly, give some credit to the devs, it isn't their fault if the boot loader is locked. Safestrap isn't as cool as a regular recovery but they did a fine job giving us the opportunity to flash Roms. At the end of the day it's your choice, you can always buy something else cause here are some almost certainty:
-AT&T S5 will have a locked boot loader
- devs will come up with a work around to flash roms
If these things bother you perhaps you should consider another phone.
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well the exynos s4 was inferior to the snapdragon model in every single way...
it only had slightly better gpu performance, we are talking about 1 to 3 fps here, but the battery life was considerably worse, and lacking lte.
i also heard that it was better to develop for the snapdragon model or something
barondebxl said:
Root will be achieve and custom roms will happen. I'm pretty sure the AT&T and Verizon versions will have a locked boot loader which sucks, but it won't stop development (at least in the beginning until they patch the exploit that will lead to custom roms and stuff). Who knows, the devs may find a way to unlock those boot loaders.
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I don't see development being hampered by anything globally, but what we get in the US is a bit more limited since we will likely never see the bootloader unlocked but hey root is enough for me most of the time.
I am coming from my last few phones being Samsung models , the Galaxy Nexus, Note 2 and 3, and the S4. The last Motorola phone I had was a Droid Razr. I left Moto because the hardware specks started to decline, no sd-slot, no removable battery, less desirable construction. I came back due to Samsung's questionable antenna and radio package. I never really had good strong signal with Samsung though. So, Motorola finally comes out with a beast of a phone in the specs catagory, although still no sd or battery pull but my signal is amazing, reception just about everywhere. So I'm confused why is there no development for the US Verizon Turbo? To me it seems like a no brainer.
That one is easy to answer... Until a vulnerability is found and exploited and root is achieved there is no platform to develop on. That doesn't mean that there isn't anyone working on it, just that not much is going to happen until root is achieved.
Then how do we get some of the heavy hitting android minds on this thing? It really is the best specimen out there currently.
PerCompLLC said:
That one is easy to answer... Until a vulnerability is found and exploited and root is achieved there is no platform to develop on. That doesn't mean that there isn't anyone working on it, just that not much is going to happen until root is achieved.
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I'm sorry, maybe I'm being a newbie here, but I never understood the software difference between Droid Turbo and Moto Maxx that makes the last rootable and the first not. Is it just the bootloader?
You can unlock the Moto Maxx bootloader. You cannot unlock the Turbo's. Plain and simple.
DarkLey said:
I'm sorry, maybe I'm being a newbie here, but I never understood the software difference between Droid Turbo and Moto Maxx that makes the last rootable and the first not. Is it just the bootloader?
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Two words. Unlockable bootloader.
DarkLey said:
I'm sorry, maybe I'm being a newbie here, but I never understood the software difference between Droid Turbo and Moto Maxx that makes the last rootable and the first not. Is it just the bootloader?
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All bootloaders can be unlocked by the manufacturer. But in the case of the Verizon variant (Droid Turbo) Verizon has asked/told Motorola to keep the bootloader locked. Ergo the need for a vulnerability - and someone who knows how to exploit it.
Everything I've been reading indicates that root for the Turbo is a long shot, since the folks that do that stuff really don't want to spend the efforts on a phone that's strictly on only one carryier, Verizon in this case.
this_is_nascar said:
Everything I've been reading indicates that root for the Turbo is a long shot, since the folks that do that stuff really don't want to spend the efforts on a phone that's strictly on only one carryier, Verizon in this case.
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Don't blame it on that. The Thunderbolt was exclusive and had root before it even was officially released.
It more boils down to that those who can do it have day jobs and probably don't have the phone nor care to have it.
adrynalyne said:
Don't blame it on that. The Thunderbolt was exclusive and had root before it even was officially released.
It more boils down to that those who can do it have day jobs and probably don't have the phone nor care to have it.
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Like I said, I really don't know. I'm just repeating what I've said, however I can understand your point as well.
Are there any recognized developers that even have the phone? I know its a bad idea to purchase devices and "loan" them to developers, but I feel like we should donate a few. Something like the bounty for root, but the money funds devices ahead of time. Find a few devs that would be interested and give them the device. It would have to be no strings attached though, if the Dev had no success people couldn't demand their money back. You would know ahead of time that you were donating for the chance at root, not a guarantee. Probably would just end up being an ordeal, but we really need capable devs with the device to take a look. I feel like at this point were just waiting for another moto device to get rooted that happens to work for us.
No root, no recovery, but moto maxx its same device basic "quark" have root and recovery too, but no roms or kernel, the real problem is device dont sell in all countrys, so no devs until now.
georgiadog3 said:
I am coming from my last few phones being Samsung models , the Galaxy Nexus, Note 2 and 3, and the S4. The last Motorola phone I had was a Droid Razr. I left Moto because the hardware specks started to decline, no sd-slot, no removable battery, less desirable construction. I came back due to Samsung's questionable antenna and radio package. I never really had good strong signal with Samsung though. So, Motorola finally comes out with a beast of a phone in the specs catagory, although still no sd or battery pull but my signal is amazing, reception just about everywhere. So I'm confused why is there no development for the US Verizon Turbo? To me it seems like a no brainer.
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I know this thread isnt about sd card slot, but why not go and use a otg usb sd mount stick? Its like having a sd card.
I am guessing that since Verizon is furnishing mobile and internet to some major corporations, the corporate environment wants to have phones secure. Hence that is why they want the bootloader locked as to appeal to the major companies and sell more phones. That was the reason it was when I worked for a major company.
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I am guessing that since Verizon is furnishing mobile and internet to some major corporations, the corporate environment wants to have phones secure. Hence that is why they want the bootloader locked as to appeal to the major companies and sell more phones. That was the reason it was when I worked for a major company.
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That is not the reason. All carriers have deals like that and not all of them are locking bootloaders.
Verizon is doing it for warranty, support, and insurance reasons.
adrynalyne said:
That is not the reason. All carriers have deals like that and not all of them are locking bootloaders.
Verizon is doing it for warranty, support, and insurance reasons.
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I am making the switch to tmobile at the end of the day today because verizon straight out is trying to over charge for stuff on the bill that shouldnt be there. No one on my account has ever used the visual voicemail paid version nor gone over usage and my fiancees line is said to be 600 dollars or more a month. Not happening. I called tmobile and talked to them for a bit, and explained to her about the bill she gave me the best deal plus with unlimited data for 70 a month. Bringing over my nexus 6. After that was all done I just randomly asked questions about locked bootloaders and root, and the lady spoken clear as day is we are not verizon or att. We support the development community (root and unlocked bootloaders), and that all devices are unlockable in that sense. Tmobile is a go to company for me. Yes some of the service is spotty but still its well worth it for having to deal with verizon since 1998. She even brought up that she is currently using an s5 with cyanogenmod. They actually allow their employees to do that stuff to their work phones as long as they know how to return to stock. Verizon you have been ok in the past but i am out.
Have a good day guys. Happy flashing
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I am making the switch to tmobile at the end of the day today because verizon straight out is trying to over charge for stuff on the bill that shouldnt be there. No one on my account has ever used the visual voicemail paid version nor gone over usage and my fiancees line is said to be 600 dollars or more a month. Not happening. I called tmobile and talked to them for a bit, and explained to her about the bill she gave me the best deal plus with unlimited data for 70 a month. Bringing over my nexus 6. After that was all done I just randomly asked questions about locked bootloaders and root, and the lady spoken clear as day is we are not verizon or att. We support the development community (root and unlocked bootloaders), and that all devices are unlockable in that sense. Tmobile is a go to company for me. Yes some of the service is spotty but still its well worth it for having to deal with verizon since 1998. She even brought up that she is currently using an s5 with cyanogenmod. They actually allow their employees to do that stuff to their work phones as long as they know how to return to stock. Verizon you have been ok in the past but i am out.
Have a good day guys. Happy flashing
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I tried T-Mobile a couple of months ago for exactly the reasons you described. I wanted to stay with them so badly but I just couldn't deal the spotty coverage. Ended up back with Verizon. Hopefully you have better luck!
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I am making the switch to tmobile at the end of the day today because verizon straight out is trying to over charge for stuff on the bill that shouldnt be there. No one on my account has ever used the visual voicemail paid version nor gone over usage and my fiancees line is said to be 600 dollars or more a month. Not happening. I called tmobile and talked to them for a bit, and explained to her about the bill she gave me the best deal plus with unlimited data for 70 a month. Bringing over my nexus 6. After that was all done I just randomly asked questions about locked bootloaders and root, and the lady spoken clear as day is we are not verizon or att. We support the development community (root and unlocked bootloaders), and that all devices are unlockable in that sense. Tmobile is a go to company for me. Yes some of the service is spotty but still its well worth it for having to deal with verizon since 1998. She even brought up that she is currently using an s5 with cyanogenmod. They actually allow their employees to do that stuff to their work phones as long as they know how to return to stock. Verizon you have been ok in the past but i am out.
Have a good day guys. Happy flashing
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As far as T-Mobile is concerned I hope you live in a better coverage area than I. Typically if you only stick to cities then your good but if your on the out skirts or in rural areas your screwed on signal. Even though the coverage map said to be strong network coverage where I lived it just wasn't so.
I happened to purchase this phone expecting the development to be near non existent. I was wanting to see if I could use a phone that was non-rooted and bootloader locked for a period of time as I have never done this before in all the years I have used smart phones.
good luck with T-Mobile though.. love what they are doing just hated the service coverage areas.....
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As far as T-Mobile is concerned I hope you live in a better coverage area than I. Typically if you only stick to cities then your good but if your on the out skirts or in rural areas your screwed on signal. Even though the coverage map said to be strong network coverage where I lived it just wasn't so.
I happened to purchase this phone expecting the development to be near non existent. I was wanting to see if I could use a phone that was non-rooted and bootloader locked for a period of time as I have never done this before in all the years I have used smart phones.
good luck with T-Mobile though.. love what they are doing just hated the service coverage areas.....
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Don't switch trust me, I just switched from managing T-maybe to managing Verizon I switched all my lines and have never been happier with the choice. T-Mobile even in a metro area constantly drops calls.
kwyrt said:
I tried T-Mobile a couple of months ago for exactly the reasons you described. I wanted to stay with them so badly but I just couldn't deal the spotty coverage. Ended up back with Verizon. Hopefully you have better luck!
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I switched as well a few months ago and the coverage was so spotty I had to switch back. Good luck though.