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I didn't see a post for this elsewhere (though some may recall that I have an exceptional ability to miss the obvious ), and you will not hear about this on the news, and it's barely even being covered in print or online. I'm usually too much of a cynic to bother with this sort of activism but this is a big deal, so please grant me 5 minutes of your time; you won't regret it.
The big deal? The "Stop Online Piracy Act" (SOPA). Well wait now, that doesn't sound so bad. We all download music for free here and there, maybe use an "extended trial" of Photoshop, but we know that piracy is technically stealing...so this can't be that bad, right? Wrong. Horribly wrong.
The fact that no news agency is covering this is absolutely insane. We criticize countries like China and Iran for censorship, but at least they don't attempt to conceal it within a vague anti-piracy bill. It is no exaggeration to say that this is one of the most significant bills to come through congress in the past decade, and most people don't even know it exists; much less that discussion began on it today. Of those that do know about it, half of them don't understand why it's a bad thing because H.R.3261 has such an innocuous name (it is also called the Protect IP Act of 2011 in the Senate). Don't be fooled.
"American Censorship Day" - Information on the Internet Blacklist BillsI urge you to take the time to educate yourself on H.R.3261 "SOPA" and write and/or call your Senators and Congress(wo)men! I guarantee if you spend 10 minutes reading about this, you will understand why I'm using an annoyingly large, bright red font.
The Wikipedia Article has a brief section ("Supporters") that shows--in a nutshell--how some politicians are deceptively framing this as a "pro-jobs" bill, among other pleasant sounding things; this couldn't be further from the truth. This is, in a manner of speaking, trying to apply archaic copyright laws to a 21st century Internet, rather than taking the effort to rewrite the copyright laws to make sense in the modern world.
You can find a lot of information explained very well at "American Censorship Day" website (scroll down past the petition), and I would encourage you to do your own research as well. Sign the petition if you want, but really, it is considerably more effective to call or write (or both!) your representatives.
A few more good links:
"Contacting The Congress" - Easily lookup the names/contact information of your Reps/Senators.
SOPA Wikipedia Article - References - These references link to a variety of websites/articles that are both for and against this bill. I would like to personally point out how most of those in support are entities of a political nature, while those against are largely non-political technology-oriented entities.
Full Text of H.R.3261 [PDF] - A relatively "short" 78 pages.
Hearing Information - House Judiciary Committee - This bill is on "the fastrack," meaning its authors are trying to push it through as quickly as possible...This hearing is where the bill began it's journey today (11/16/11).
I thank you for taking the time to read this; if you choose to reply to this thread, bash me as much as you like, but please keep your responses to each other civil.
Alright, back to rooting my Revo (before doing so is a felony ).
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James
Good stuff the masses don't even realize how important this is
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Basically when this bill passes we have no freedom of speech on the internets. The US government can block websites hosted on servers outside it's borders. And you can get sued for having a song playing on the radio heard in your video posted online.
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Basically when this bill passes we have no freedom of speech on the internets. The US government can block websites hosted on servers outside it's borders. And you can get sued for having a song playing on the radio heard in your video posted online.
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This is ridiculous we must stop them!
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Must stop big brother government before it's too late!
Its getting near time for the guns to come out boys...
Brb, there are strange men in suits at my door....
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Great Job was about to post something about this on here but you beat me to it anyway here are some more links to articles,info and petitions:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-segal/stop-the-internet-blackli_b_739836.html
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http://americancensorship.org/
http://demandprogress.org/blacklist/*
http://demandprogress.org/blacklist/?referring_akid=a2655379.916925._mXAo4&source=auto-taf
P.S keep spreading the word guys!
I think XDA should censor their logo/ and or have the javascript popup to support it http://americancensorship.org/
I have done it to my website for support purposes. come on guys we need this to be halted! So if you have a website/ blog please join the movement and censor your website for a day!
I guess this is the day when we finally found out for sure that govenments can be bought and paid for by greedy corporations.
You are now no longer being ruled by an elected body, but by a fat-cat in a pin-stripe suit.
This is the new world order i guess.
Very well written. I know quite a bit about this topic, since we will get something called "vorratsdatenspeicherung" where I live (austria). Basically The government logs your internet connection and it logs when and who you call/write a sms/ send an email and where you were by doing that.
Should be published on the portal!
I do what i want, because I can.
THIS IS CRAZY
This has to be one of those interpretation of the law issues though surely? I mean... you can't be prosecuted for lying on a dating profile about your height, weight, age etc. There'd be nobody left on match.com
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This has to be one of those interpretation of the law issues though surely? I mean... you can't be prosecuted for lying on a dating profile about your height, weight, age etc. There'd be nobody left on match.com
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The way the law is written does allow for scenarios like the one you propose. The retort of the politicians is, "We won't ever (ab)use this power for doing stuff like that, never ever." I don't know about you, but that's not too reassuring for me. If it's not abused now by these politicians, it'll be abused later by future politicians. Not to mention the precedent it sets...Once you give the government a little bit of control, it becomes very easy for them to get a lot of control.
Even if this were solely an interpretation of the law issue I'd still be against it, because Congress shouldn't be writing laws that can be so easily misinterpreted.
A link to the full text is up there, I plan on reading it tomorrow.
I totally agree the law should be written so that there is no room for interpretation.. you know if what you are doing is illegal from day one, ignorance is not a defence, but as devils advocate the counter is that you end up with thousands of very specific laws for hundreds of situations whilst occurrences the lawmakers didn't think of at the time are getting through loopholes and running away.
Circumstantially you should really be able to use the end purpose of why you are doing what you are doing as to the criminality of what's going down. I don't think anyone on this board would argue that a 40 year old man pretending to be a 13 year old girl on a forum or website to talk to other teenagers should be made illegal and is a very wrong thing - but who hasn't said they are two inches taller on a dating profile or put their build down as "athletic" rather than "a few extra pounds"
Bear in mind that the UK equivalent to this, the 'Digital Economy Act' was passed into law some time ago with barely a whimper of protest. Just like ProtectIP, it was kept quiet and barely reported on until it was too late. We just woke up one morning to draconian new laws. Again, it was bought and paid for by big media.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Economy_Act_2010
I doubt anything can be done to stop the same happening in the US, but perhaps enough pressure can be brought to bear to force some changes to the act. At least you guys have advanced warning to do something about it.
Edit: Big Content stacks Senate Committee
"US Senators have done their level best to give Big Content the law it wants to basically lock up citizens who might think of piracy or file sharing without having to worry about that pesky thing called constitution. The House Judiciary Committee today held an important hearing on the Stop Online Piracy Act but only those witnesses who would not object to the law being invited. This was designed to give the impression that all the witnesses were in favour of the law."
Bump this baby. Also voted for frontpage!
I do what i want, because I can.
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Bear in mind that the UK equivalent to this, the 'Digital Economy Act' was passed into law some time ago with barely a whimper of protest. Just like ProtectIP, it was kept quiet and barely reported on until it was too late. We just woke up one morning to draconian new laws. Again, it was bought and paid for by big media.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Economy_Act_2010
I doubt anything can be done to stop the same happening in the US, but perhaps enough pressure can be brought to bear to force some changes to the act. At least you guys have advanced warning to do something about it.
Edit: Big Content stacks Senate Committee
"US Senators have done their level best to give Big Content the law it wants to basically lock up citizens who might think of piracy or file sharing without having to worry about that pesky thing called constitution. The House Judiciary Committee today held an important hearing on the Stop Online Piracy Act but only those witnesses who would not object to the law being invited. This was designed to give the impression that all the witnesses were in favour of the law."
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Thanks for posting this...It's absolutely crazy...I'm sure they'll find a way to completely circumvent a public hearing that gives opponents a chance to speak throughout the entire process.
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Thanks for posting this...It's absolutely crazy...I'm sure they'll find a way to completely circumvent a public hearing that gives opponents a chance to speak throughout the entire process.
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As always, the people can have a say.. at the ballot box!
I'm pleased to report that the government that introduced the DEA in the UK, lost in the next election shortly afterwards. (After being in power for thirteen years).
Karma b*tches!
Bumping this due to some developments...
Well, this is finally seeing the light of day and getting coverage by some news agencies; caught these articles on Drudge Report.
I just want to say that I hope Chris Dodd dies in a fire. Slowly. FYI: He's a former Senator spearheading this bill AND the new head of the MPAA. Primarily by attempting to bribe members of Congress. Gotta love that the Hollywood/Record Label lobbyists are getting all the airtime, while the people who actually understand this stuff are being silenced as much as possible.
Not too late to call/write your representatives. You can also share these links with your friends...tweet them, facebook them, reddit them, do whatever. If these links don't scare the living s**t out of you, well...idk...too many benzos perhaps. Feel free to copy this post and use it wherever, if you wish.
All of these articles are great and cover a different aspect (with some overlap) of the consequences of this legislation. Props to The Hill for giving this so much coverage; glad someone's doing it.
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MPAA Head Chris Dodd on Online Censorship Bill: China's the Model -- http://bit.ly/u7kgXy
"When the Chinese told Google that they had to block sites or they couldn't do [business] in their country, they managed to figure out how to block sites."
Google chairman says online piracy bill would 'criminalize' the Internet -- http://bit.ly/tRWEnj
"It's not a good thing. I understand the goal of what SOPA and PIPA are trying to do," Schmidt said of the Senate counterpart bill, the Protect IP Act. "Their goal is reasonable, their mechanism is terrible. They should not criminalize the intermediaries. They should go after the people that are violating the law."
Internet piracy bill: A free speech 'kill switch' -- http://bit.ly/tY6o6f
Consider this: Under the proposed legislation all that’s required for government to shutdown a specific website is the mere accusation that the site unlawfully featured copyrighted content. Such an accusation need not be proven – or even accompanied by probable cause. All that an accuser (or competitor) needs to do in order to obtain injunctive relief is point the finger at a website.
Legal expert says online piracy bill is unconstitutional -- http://bit.ly/tNBUDH
"Conceivably, an entire website containing tens of thousands of pages could be targeted if only a single page were accused of infringement," Tribe writes. "Such an approach would create severe practical problems for sites with substantial user-generated content, such as Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, and for blogs that allow users to post videos, photos, and other materials."
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God, do I hate politicians.
P.S. For those interested in a more detailed analysis of how this is a flagrant violation of free speech: Laurence Tribe, a Harvard law professor and Supreme Court advocate, wrote a memo detailing how SOPA does exactly that -- http://scr.bi/sFSRBg
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AP: One of world's largest file-sharing sites, http://Megaupload.com, shut down; company workers indicted
are you sure it's not another SOPA protest?
it'll be very controversial if true
then all the other file hosting sites are on target
and that means sources for new Anime releases will be limited.... Nooooooooooooo!
It would seem it's down for other reasons besides a SOPA protest.
@OP Do you have any links supporting your post? Other than MegaUpload having some DNS hijack issues back in November, there is nothing out there that supports your post.
i found it http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/01/19/feds-shut-down-file-sharing-website/
Feds shut down file-sharing website Megaupload.com
Published January 19, 2012
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McLEAN, Va. – Federal prosecutors in Virginia have shut down one of the world's largest file-sharing sites, Megaupload.com, and charged its founder and others with violating piracy laws.
The indictment accuses the company of costing copyright holders more than $500 million in lost revenue from pirated films and other content. The indictment was unsealed Thursday, one day after websites shut down in protest of two congressional proposals intended to thwart the online piracy of copyrighted movies and TV programs.
Megaupload.com has claimed it is diligent in responding to complaints about pirated material.
The indictment says at one point, Megaupload was the 13th most popular website in the world.
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more results from google https://www.google.com/search?q=Meg...GH4qTiQL2uty7CA&ved=0CFkQqAI&biw=1280&bih=970
Oh FOX news.... :cough:
I have my views about where they get their news from, and such views are not a democracy.
Edit: Didn't clue in that AP meant Associated Press, so it is credible.
From a quick perusal of teh interwebz, it is indeed down. Just coincidence that it's happened now, with all the SOPA stuff in everyone's head.
7 people connected to http://t.co/EzaQgqaF have been charged with online piracy crimes, WSJ reports. Story to come at http://t.co/1q2TkQ7W
This anti piracy crusade is out of control.
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This anti piracy crusade is out of control.
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It just seems like that because it's on everyone's mind. It's like when you drive a red escort. You see red escorts everywhere and think it's the most popular car on the road. It's not. You just notice it more because it's relevant to you.
Stuff like this happens quite a lot. It's nothing new, and for some (if not most) it's nothing other than a temporary glitch...
http://www.pcworld.com/article/1965...nocks_the_pirate_bay_offline_temporarily.html
I'm pretty sure MegaUpload is gone, and it hows the only need for SOPA and PIPA is so the rich guys can say what website they want shut down.
How is this? Official enough?
http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2012/January/12-crm-074.html
What I love is the lack of technical understanding. Looks like the DOJ lawyers were led by the entertainment industry by taking advantage of their their raging lawyering libido.
Wonder if the case has any merit. Obviously SOPA doesn't need to be passed if the feds can shutter the 13th most popular web site in the world on piracy claims.
For all of you not believing this...here's another source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...egauploadcom/2012/01/19/gIQAJPIRBQ_story.html
and: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...05l2sA?docId=c93737704b504930a11fc307d67b674d
Yah, WTF? I hate copyright law. Totally out of control. Corporations run America and America thinks it runs the world. I mean seriously, arresting people in New Zeland and Japan?! Extraditing them like murderers to face criminal charges in the USA?!!
R.I.P MegaUpload you shall be missed dearly!
Another article: http://gizmodo.com/5877612/feds-kill-megaupload
If MU goes down, doesn't that mean all other "types" of sites will also go down? No more Filesonic, fileserve, hotfile, etc. Man that would suuuuucccckkkk!
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If MU goes down, doesn't that mean all other "types" of sites will also go down? No more Filesonic, fileserve, hotfile, etc. Man that would suuuuucccckkkk!
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That is exactly what media companies would like. Scorched earth, so long as they reduce (yes, not eliminate, just reduce) infringement. Which is incredible because copyrights should never have lasted this long in the first place.
The media companies are pirating from the public by getting Congress to perpetually extend copyrights.
Time for someone to write a global redundant distributed filesystem. Run a client on your computer and dedicate a few GB for the world's benefit.
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That is exactly what media companies would like. Scorched earth, so long as they reduce (yes, not eliminate, just reduce) infringement. Which is incredible because copyrights should never have lasted this long in the first place.
The media companies are pirating from the public by getting Congress to perpetually extend copyrights.
Time for someone to write a global redundant distributed filesystem. Run a client on your computer and dedicate a few GB for the world's benefit.
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This is disingenuous. People aren't using these sites to download books from the 1930s. The vast majority of the material is movies, music and software from the past 5-10 years. The term of copyright is ridiculous, but has no application here.
The fact is, this site, and a few others, rewards people explicitly for hosting pirated content. I hope someone markets a better cyberlocker where legitimate content can be shared without having to be lumped in with the pirates.
Dammit those b*strds, so the owner of megaupload must have been doing fairly well, good life no debts, team working on the site pirated links being taken down, they're trying then one day 500 million dollars in debt , dammit, its not their fault and media producers are still minted
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Thread closed. There is already many threads about this. ~TRM
In case anyone is noticing that megaupload links aren't responding.
Megaupload finished: Feds shut down file-sharing giant without SOPA
MegaUpload Shut Down by the Feds, Founder Arrested
Here's the actual indictment filed in an Alexandria, Virginia, US court;
Mega-Indictment
It doesn't look like the service will back anytime soon, so folks may want to consider utilizing other services for uploads, etc.
Good Luck..
Addendum:
Deleted the reference to SOPA/PIPA in my subject heading because this action has nothing to do with those laws. SOPA/PIPA are designed to implement measures so that "suspected" "piracy" sites can have their DNS entries blocked from US internet users which will frustrate efforts to access those sites, and to take away revenue by stopping credit card companies from doing business with them. IOW these are laws targeting the so-called "end users".
This action against Megaupload was a straight up site takedown and arrest of the founders, which was obviously coordinated with multiple law enforcement agencies from multiple countries. (At least the US and New Zealand were involved). This was action targeting the so-called "suppliers".
Having said that, if you're a US voter you should make sure you let your US Congress representatives know how you feel about SOPA/PIPA. Even if phase one of the web protests are over for now.
Horrible day for humanity....
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They charged people to see copyrighted content. screw them
messed up, 2012 will be a crazy year, millions of websites will get shutdown, with or without sopa =/
http://gizmodo.com/5877679/anonymous-kills-department-of-justice-site-in-megaupload-revenge-strike
Anonymous is striking back.
Wow
this getting out of hand.. The gov needs to chill out ... If we continue down this path we will end up like north Korea .. No offense btw
1984 g.o.
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What!?
I use icefilms to watch all mt TV and ice uses all MU links...
I had a 2 year sub for MU too...
Their download speeds were the best!
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messed up, 2012 will be a crazy year, millions of websites will get shutdown, with or without sopa =/
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Theyre really showing ppl how SOPA/PIPA can hurt him. If this is what they can do WITHOUT it, im afraid to think what kind of rampage theyll go on after.
Im glad there is nothing else wrong with the country, that the goverment has this kind of thing to focus on.
Wow is all i can say.
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Im glad there is nothing else wrong with the country, that the goverment has this kind of thing to focus on.
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Correct!
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Edited OP.
Megaupload should be taken down
and this is a good example that the current laws in the book are good enough if they just enforce them. There is no need for SOPA/PIPA.
Megauploads business model asks for money to see others copyrighted content.
Torrent sites on the other hand dont make any money and are much more complicated legally yet those got taken down before Megaupload. Megaupload should of been the first.
And so began the WAR...
MU business model is unethical. As so many, many copy cats out there such as filesonic, 4shared. It's only matter of time before they get taken down. Megaupload is just an example.
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Megaupload should be taken down
and this is a good example that the current laws in the book are good enough if they just enforce them. There is no need for SOPA/PIPA.
Megauploads business model asks for money to see others copyrighted content.
Torrent sites on the other hand dont make any money and are much more complicated legally yet those got taken down before Megaupload. Megaupload should of been the first.
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Either you're ignorant or your just stupid. MU did not promote copyright material at all, it took down anything that was flagged as infringing. Many many people use MU, doctors sharing cancer cures. Scientists sharing data, teachers sharing work for data, the list goes on. They only charges for premium access which only gave you unlimited download speeds and no limits. With or without you could download copyright material.
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President Obama has taken a stance against SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act), a bill that would allow the justice department to force Internet providers and search engines to block all sites accused of copyright infringement.
For now, it appears that President Obama has stalled the controversial legislation. Read the details according to Forbes.com:
“The growing anti-SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) support that has swept through the gaming and Internet community found a very big ally today. With websites like Reddit and Wikipedia and gaming organizations like Major League Gaming prepared for a blackout on January 18th – the same day that the House Judiciary Committee hearing on HR 3261was scheduled in Washington, D.C. – President Barack Obama has stepped in and said he would not support the bill.
SOPA has been delayed, for now. The House has agreed to revisit the issue next month, but they now know the White House will veto any bill that’s not more narrowly focused.
Much to the chagrin of Hollywood, the Entertainment Software Association (which has been a backer of the bill from early on), and Internet domain company GoDaddy.com (which lost many accounts as a result of its support for the bill); SOPA has been shelved. The Motion Picture Association of America, one of the bill’s largest sponsors, is expected to regroup.”
I foresee prohibition-style shakedowns and takedowns. This issue is going to explode as the two sides engage in strikes and counterstrikes, but I do hope cooler heads prevail.
All respect to other opinions voiced here, but megaupload facilitated a great deal of sketchy shenanigans and did not appear to police its site effectively enough. Of course, a task like that is gargantuan.
I wonder, though, if the g-men will also shut down YouTube and arrest its principals as well? I suspect there is more pirated intellectual property there than on most of the rest of the internet combined. What would make YouTube exempt, and would such an exemption be fair?
"Soup" or no soup, the coming months will prove historic in the life of the internet, an internet that will be forced to grow up beyond the walled garden of its adolescence and thence to play by the rules of the rest of society. You heard it here, folks: The age of internet innocence is over, and sopa/pipa are just early, clumsy practice shots as the media industry and legislators gauge public opinion before launching a more calculated assault.
This is why the retaliatory actions of Anonymous and others cause me great concern. I think they will turn public sentiment against the internet community, paint all opponents of sopa and pipa and similar bad legislation as wildeyed bandits, and thus embolden the powers that be to insist on draconian measures that will force the internet to mature too quickly, severely undermining its usefulness in the process.
President Obama has taken a stance against SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act), a bill that would allow the justice department to force Internet providers and search engines to block all sites accused of copyright infringement.
For now, it appears that President Obama has stalled the controversial legislation. Read the details according to Forbes.com:
“The growing anti-SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) support that has swept through the gaming and Internet community found a very big ally today. With websites like Reddit and Wikipedia and gaming organizations like Major League Gaming prepared for a blackout on January 18th – the same day that the House Judiciary Committee hearing on HR 3261was scheduled in Washington, D.C. – President Barack Obama has stepped in and said he would not support the bill.
SOPA has been delayed, for now. The House has agreed to revisit the issue next month, but they now know the White House will veto any bill that’s not more narrowly focused.
Much to the chagrin of Hollywood, the Entertainment Software Association (which has been a backer of the bill from early on), and Internet domain company GoDaddy.com (which lost many accounts as a result of its support for the bill); SOPA has been shelved. The Motion Picture Association of America, one of the bill’s largest sponsors, is expected to regroup.”
Go Obama!!!
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inb4 political debate
I @#$%ing love that man.
Awesome
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the first good thing Obama has done..to bad it wasn't because he doesn't support bill but the fact that people are disgusted and are protesting. if Washington thinks that we cannot overcome this...wow are they in for the fight of their lives...
you saw one day of half ass protest..
id like to see a day of devoted protest and there would be a change..
don't rent or goto a movie, don't purchase one company's stuff, boycott till they're on our side once again..
people once gave these powers...and we as one can take these powers away.
but we have to come together united....
sounds like a political stunt to me..
he quietly sign a part of ndaa where he can detain anyone in USA without anything.. he sent more troops to war instead of bringing them back..why the hell would he care about internet freedom? coincidentally election is this year..
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Now, how is he going to explain his stance to his biggest campaign sponsors aka the Hollywood. lol
Azn has it right. Obama is a politician in an election year. If you !&#@%! love that man, you are drinking kool-aid. How could he continue to support a bill that not even the few left in his base don't even support? This president is a self-serving asshole. The last president was a self-serving asshole. The next president will be a self-serving asshole.
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the first good thing Obama has done..to bad it wasn't because he doesn't support bill but the fact that people are disgusted and are protesting. if Washington thinks that we cannot overcome this...wow are they in for the fight of their lives...
you saw one day of half ass protest..
id like to see a day of devoted protest and there would be a change..
don't rent or goto a movie, don't purchase one company's stuff, boycott till they're on our side once again..
people once gave these powers...and we as one can take these powers away.
but we have to come together united....
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Actually the White House has been against this bill probably before you even heard of it. Alot of money has been invested in internet security by the government. I don't know how IT inclined you are, but the reality is this bill would put the government back to square one as far as internet security goes because it threatens DNS. So no, it wasn't "one day of a half ass protest" that caused the white house to take your side.
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This president is a self-serving asshole. The last president was a self-serving asshole. The next president will be a self-serving asshole.
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You're talking about politicians, don't you? First thing you have to learn if you wanna go big!
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Yea, but Megaupload has been shutdown. So if developers that had ROM builds and utils on that site, with links attached, may have to put their goods somewhere else and update their links on the posts here.
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Yea, but Megaupload has been shutdown. So if developers that had ROM builds and utils on that site, with links attached, may have to put their goods somewhere else and update their links on the posts here.
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That has nothing to do with this bill.
Its a shame but fairplay to anonymous group for making there distaste known...the fbi site was down today..universal music etc
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Azn has it right. Obama is a politician in an election year. If you !&#@%! love that man, you are drinking kool-aid. How could he continue to support a bill that not even the few left in his base don't even support? This president is a self-serving asshole. The last president was a self-serving asshole. The next president will be a self-serving asshole.
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As much as it pains me i agree somewhat myself. Obama may be a puppet and social figure. Its amazing how many people don't even know about the NDAA. Now we have the Sopa and pipa getting all this publicity but no one is aware of the Enemy expatriation act that is presented as well, which invokes the right for Congress to strip us citizens from their rights making it easier for the president /military to indefinitely detain someone that "arbitrarily" has ties to terrorists.
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The President? pffft he would have signed it.
While I am against stealing of property, including music, movies, TV shows, Hollywood and it's supporters are flat out lying to the American people when they say piracy is hurting sales, the people that pirate it weren't going to buy it in the 1st place. And when you have movies like Avatar, ect making a billion dollars??
this is awesome! yet we all know its not over, which to me is somewhat worrisome... we still need to fight!
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this is awesome! yet we all know its not over, which to me is somewhat worrisome... we still need to fight!
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Agreed the bill will return in another form.
So, today we were assigned to write a 3-5 minute persuasive speech for Engrish class. My topic is "why piracy is not bad".
Can you guys help with some arguments?
Thanks!
Mods: let me know if this is inappropriate for this forum.
Why piracy isn't bad? That's the first!
Piracy is essentially "copying" rather than thievery.
Art shouldn't be "owned" it belongs to the people.
Content makers refuse to make art freely available and instead force people to "pirate" it to have it at their fingertips in the new digital age.
And finally XDA isn't the place for this discussion.
iurnait said:
So, today we were assigned to write a 3-5 minute persuasive speech for Engrish class. My topic is "why piracy is not bad".
Can you guys help with some arguments?
Thanks!
Mods: let me know if this is inappropriate for this forum.
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Good subject and certainly interesting.
However I don't see this topic lasting long because it enters an area that XDA would rather not have discussed in the forum sections.
Good luck with your paper!
Piracy, per say the duplication and distribution of copyrighted material, is not considered good in any way. Its illegal and promoting it is not allowed on XDA.
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Um piracy is bad.
It's obtaining a copy of copyrighted material. Yea, it's fine to install it, but once you use any tool to not pay for activation, that's where it gets illegal.
Same with music. And art should not belong to the people. Then what would copyrights be for? You think I want my photos to be freely available to everyone without any compensation?
They call it piracy and stealing
-i prefer to call it freedom!
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What kind of piracy? Torrenting, illegal file sharing, ripping movies?
This video would be great for statistics . . .
If I take a picture with my phone's camera of the Mona Lisa and print it life size (which is quite small) on a photoprinter to hang in my living room, it's legal.
If I film a film with my phone's camera to review later at home, it's illegal, while I'm doing the exact same thing .
Piracy has been the stepping stone for many young artists. A recordscompany asks insane amounts of money to publicize your music, money which no starting artist has. Radiochannels won't play your music without you paying them for it. Pop it on youtube/tpb and it doesn't cost you thing, and it reaches everyone.
That is why so many people are made to believe piracy is bad: it's missed income for companies. Not the artists, the companies. Of the song you buy, 8 cents at mos goes to the artist. the rest goes to the label and copyright company. Ditto for games, the 3D artists and scriptors get a low pay, while the company and coyright company earns big bucks for doing nothing. That is fundementally wrong. Money should go to those who earn it, not those who profit off other people's work! And guess what they blame pirates for: doing what the copyright company does.
What people dont seem to understand is that piracy is not the same as copyright infringement. When you take someone else's product and claim it as your own, that is copyright infringement.
I'm a graphic designer, I deal with copyright daily. Having someone else post my work on his tumblr with credit is perfectly fine. As long as he doesn't call it his own work!. See the core issue, there? Credit where credit is due. Nobody on TPB is claiming a film made in Hollywood as his own, they're not infringing on anyone's copyright, and they're not making money off it.
If you consider sharing anything with copyright as illegal, you are also not allowed to like stuff on facebook (it shares), retweet something (sharing someone else's tweet)... (Which is what SOPA and ACTA would have done. They would have completely destroyed the free internet. Just so someone else can make money. It was never about censorship, it was about money. (If it isn't about sex, it's about money and power. The very core of humanity, right there.)
Used to be you could go to a music store and listen to the whole album. Now, you can't. Oh you can listen to samples on iTues, but if you don't have a credit card, which millions of people dont, you can't get into the itunes store. Everywhere else you have to pay to listen.
The same goes for Google Play. In europe we use Maestro, not credit cards. (Direct withdrawel). You can't get a credit card if you don't have a steady, high income, and paying with them in stores costs extra, if its even possible. Google Play only works with credit cards (to use mobile payment, you need to make a wallet account, which requires a credit card.) so everyone under 25 of the 750 million nhabitant of Europe can't buy apps in google play. Devs can whine all they want, that's just the fact. They (we) literally can't buy your apps! As such, piracy becomes the only option.
Sony has recently been looking into new ways to make 2nd hand games impossible. Many a company preceeded this. Thus taking away your right to sell what you don't need. Simply because they don't get income from 2nd hand games.
Piracy is a way to tell the greedy companies that we don't accept their near mob-related practises. A lot less destructive than rioting, I'd say.
And last but not least: The European Court Of Human Rights has recently declared convictions for file sharing to be in direct violation of Human Rights. Dear America, Welcome to the 21st century. Where the EU is the more civilized continent. They can no longer convict anyone in Europe for file sharing.
http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/07/cou...tions-for-file-sharing-violates-human-rights/
Essentially, it's only 'piracy' because people are missing out on money when people share things. And that's why piracy isn't wrong: Greed is.
Hope some of this is of use I'm in a lecture on research, so plenty of time to type a rant or two (I actually did a paper on this topic for uni...)
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ShadowLea said:
If I take a picture with my phone's camera of the Mona Lisa and print it life size (which is quite small) on a photoprinter to hang in my living room, it's legal.
If I film a film with my phone's camera to review later at home, it's illegal, while I'm doing the exact same thing .
Piracy has been the stepping stone for many young artists. A recordscompany asks insane amounts of money to publicize your music, money which no starting artist has. Radiochannels won't play your music without you paying them for it. Pop it on youtube/tpb and it doesn't cost you thing, and it reaches everyone.
That is why so many people are made to believe piracy is bad: it's missed income for companies. Not the artists, the companies. Of the song you buy, 8 cents at mos goes to the artist. the rest goes to the label and copyright company. Ditto for games, the 3D artists and scriptors get a low pay, while the company and coyright company earns big bucks for doing nothing. That is fundementally wrong. Money should go to those who earn it, not those who profit off other people's work! And guess what they blame pirates for: doing what the copyright company does.
What people dont seem to understand is that piracy is not the same as copyright infringement. When you take someone else's product and claim it as your own, that is copyright infringement.
I'm a graphic designer, I deal with copyright daily. Having someone else post my work on his tumblr with credit is perfectly fine. As long as he doesn't call it his own work!. See the core issue, there? Credit where credit is due. Nobody on TPB is claiming a film made in Hollywood as his own, they're not infringing on anyone's copyright, and they're not making money off it.
If you consider sharing anything with copyright as illegal, you are also not allowed to like stuff on facebook (it shares), retweet something (sharing someone else's tweet)... (Which is what SOPA and ACTA would have done. They would have completely destroyed the free internet. Just so someone else can make money. It was never about censorship, it was about money. (If it isn't about sex, it's about money and power. The very core of humanity, right there.)
Used to be you could go to a music store and listen to the whole album. Now, you can't. Oh you can listen to samples on iTues, but if you don't have a credit card, which millions of people dont, you can't get into the itunes store. Everywhere else you have to pay to listen.
The same goes for Google Play. In europe we use Maestro, not credit cards. (Direct withdrawel). You can't get a credit card if you don't have a steady, high income, and paying with them in stores costs extra, if its even possible. Google Play only works with credit cards (to use mobile payment, you need to make a wallet account, which requires a credit card.) so everyone under 25 of the 750 million nhabitant of Europe can't buy apps in google play. Devs can whine all they want, that's just the fact. They (we) literally can't buy your apps! As such, piracy becomes the only option.
Sony has recently been looking into new ways to make 2nd hand games impossible. Many a company preceeded this. Thus taking away your right to sell what you don't need. Simply because they don't get income from 2nd hand games.
Piracy is a way to tell the greedy companies that we don't accept their near mob-related practises. A lot less destructive than rioting, I'd say.
And last but not least: The European Court Of Human Rights has recently declared convictions for file sharing to be in direct violation of Human Rights. Dear America, Welcome to the 21st century. Where the EU is the more civilized continent. They can no longer convict anyone in Europe for file sharing.
http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/07/cou...tions-for-file-sharing-violates-human-rights/
Essentially, it's only 'piracy' because people are missing out on money when people share things. And that's why piracy isn't wrong: Greed is.
Hope some of this is of use I'm in a lecture on research, so plenty of time to type a rant or two (I actually did a paper on this topic for uni...)
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I cried a little while reading it Xd
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This is one well known author's views on piracy, enjoy the argument https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Is the chemical aftertaste the reason why people eat hot dogs, or is it some kind of bonus?
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jugg1es said:
This is one well known author's views on piracy, enjoy the argument https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Is the chemical aftertaste the reason why people eat hot dogs, or is it some kind of bonus?
Neil Gaiman
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Thank you for linking jugg1es...found this fascinating!
Some people simply cannot access content without pirating then when they do they become fans and now feel glad to pay