Talk to LG about bootloader? - LG Optimus 4X HD

im so sad that the Optimus 4x's bootloader is the only thing stopping us from having jellybean roms on it. i bet the phone would bee awsome with it. I know it probably wount help at all, but i sent a e-mail to LG, saying how we LG owners are sad because of the bootloader and that they should give us a method to unlock it!There must be a genius developer who can crack it?

tonymb91 said:
im so sad that the Optimus 4x's bootloader is the only thing stopping us from having jellybean roms on it. i bet the phone would bee awsome with it. I know it probably wount help at all, but i sent a e-mail to LG, saying how we LG owners are sad because of the bootloader and that they should give us a method to unlock it!There must be a genius developer who can crack it?
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developer kholk are working on the bootloader see on general thread
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dfreake said:
developer kholk are working on the bootloader see on general thread
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This is wat LG had to say:
Hey Tony,
Thank you for your inquiry.
It would appear an update to this , but unfortunately we can not provide a method to open the bootloader so I appreciate your patience and would like to announce that I have sent request to our product specialists so that you will be one of the first to get the information when it becomes available.
not quite helping

tonymb91 said:
This is wat LG had to say:
Hey Tony,
Thank you for your inquiry.
It would appear an update to this , but unfortunately we can not provide a method to open the bootloader so I appreciate your patience and would like to announce that I have sent request to our product specialists so that you will be one of the first to get the information when it becomes available.
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I got the following reply from customer care in India as a reply to my query on information about JB updates:
Dear Customer, Thanks for sharing your concern with us. We have forwarded your issue to the concerned Department so that an immediate step can be taken in this regard, our technical support team would get in touch with you shortly. In Case of urgency please feel free to contact our Technical Helpline ID: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Thanks and Regards Soniya Chauhan| Customer Service| LG Electronics | INDIA | Email ID: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Toll Free-18001809999 (MTNL/ BSNL) 39010909 (For other operators prefix STD code)
This happened a week ago, and so far no body has come back to me with any further information
Looks like kholk only has to get the bootloader and JB for us

mastiandroid5 said:
I got the following reply from customer care in India as a reply to my query on information about JB updates:
Dear Customer, Thanks for sharing your concern with us. We have forwarded your issue to the concerned Department so that an immediate step can be taken in this regard, our technical support team would get in touch with you shortly. In Case of urgency please feel free to contact our Technical Helpline ID: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Thanks and Regards Soniya Chauhan| Customer Service| LG Electronics | INDIA | Email ID: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Toll Free-18001809999 (MTNL/ BSNL) 39010909 (For other operators prefix STD code)
This happened a week ago, and so far no body has come back to me with any further information
Looks like kholk only has to get the bootloader and JB for us
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yeah,LG only says things but never contacts back. their support sucks bad!
Just hoping kholk can do ITDDDDDDDDD

Guys that's wrong LG will never ever reply answer for that question, not just lg anyone will not reply to that question, who locked there bootloader. Do not blame them, unlocking bootloader is overriding there copy rights. Ofc if you are a executive in Lg service center you will for sure get reply.
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dfreake said:
developer kholk are working on the bootloader see on general thread
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i dont mean to complain and kholk must be a good dev but i've personally seen no progress is over a month..
not even updates
perhaps he is working as hard as he can but repeated reminder of it isn't exactly progressing towards anything..
sorry if this offended someones ego

to you
Unlocked boot loader will come in time for sure
The only thing I'm wanting from it is to enable over clocking
With so many free apps out there that enable us to un install bloat ware as well as have our pick of launchers and massive choice of customization,
what can be done with unlocked boot loader compared to locked boot loader apart from over clocking ?

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Htc unlocked!

HTC
‎"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC
Saw this on facebook so happy hopefully they will give us something to unlock older devices or give us the keys to the castle
Great to hear that they're listening to criticism from their consumers. I wonder if they'll provide a way to unlock devices that are locked currently.
Ya I hope so shouldn't be to hard to do that really all they have to do is either give us the RSA key or make a program that flashes the bootloaders to be unlocked
What would happen to the sold locked htc device?bring back to them to unlock?
I would assume it requires them to create a signed OTA or RUU update for existing locked-loader phones, which would then include the code for an officially sanctioned unlocking agent. Anyway this is all very exciting. If the T-Mo US Sensation comes out as an open phone it's high on my next-phone list.
I for one welcome our unlocked overlords.
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Good win but it want mean nothing if HTC doesnt go back and unlock the phones already locked.
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Good for HTC, bad for XTC...
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scmasaru said:
Good for HTC, bad for XTC...
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You mean bad for the people who bought the XTC
Sadly there's no news on whether or not our IncS will be unlocked or not though.
sabret00the said:
Sadly there's no news on whether or not our IncS will be unlocked or not though.
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I think we should wait for HTC for the next.
Because it just a current decision.......for now
HTC will have 2 ways to unlock(I think):
1. Use OTA update to unlock
2. Use Sony's advice (sign up to SE, and SE will give u unlock code)
Just had a small chat with HTC, and of course they couldn't tell a thing. I guess we just have to wait and see what will be happening.
We currently don’t have information regarding which phones will be unlocked; Keep an eye on our official website and official social media outlets for announcements about which phones will be bootloader unlocked
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I think they will there would be just as many pissed off people if they didn't unlock the inc s the policy wasn't stated all future phones it said the dissolved the bootloader policy meaning the phones that came out will most likely be included ..
But for now I think it stands EVO and sensation are yes inc s no idea .
But my orig post on fb to start it all up talked about inc s ..
But 3d and sensation became the topic very fast ..
I emailed the same guy who gave me info on EVO 3d just now so patients ..
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LeanNSupreme said:
Great to hear that they're listening to criticism from their consumers. I wonder if they'll provide a way to unlock devices that are locked currently.
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I wrote on their Facebook page and asked about exactly that.. waiting for them to answer
Exanimus said:
I wrote on their Facebook page and asked about exactly that.. waiting for them to answer
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So did I
mazinya said:
You mean bad for the people who bought the XTC
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Not really bad as the older phones are still locked. Thus XTC will still make money off them...
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Not really bad as the older phones are still locked. Thus XTC will still make money off them...
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We.don't.know if HTC will unlock the current models but if they do xtc for HTC devices = what's the point anymore ..
But until they announce it we have no idea but Mr Chou said no longer locking devices its a very undefined answer to my origanal requests on facebook.
if u look was sensation inc s and EVO 3d but as I said the focus quickly turned to just sensation and 3d so only time will tell
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I dont think so.There is no offical file i've seen.
whats making you guys worried? The actual Feedback was mostly from those who had locked devices. Its they who were after HTC to unlock. and its on their wish HTC has decided to unlock bootloaders..

Online petition

Hello everyone,
I just made an online petition to obtain ICS for our device. I know someone can say we only want last release of an operating system and such. In my opinion, that's false. We want something we paid for. I gave LG my trust and they disappointed me. Please, sign the petition, if you share my thoughts, or at least give it a read.
Petition link​
Thanks to all who'll help out
Tiwiz
Why dont you just file a complaint directly to the your country's consumer protection agency?
hisham027 said:
Why dont you just file a complaint directly to the your country's consumer protection agency?
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Mainly for two reasons, mate:
- I have many friends with LG2x and they can't flash, for a million of reasons, they are afraid of bricks, afraid of not finiding confortable with custom roms, bugs, etc... and I, as CM user, think that we should all get updates, for the money we spent in the phone and the disappointing feeling. We use CM, but it's bad LG just discontinued her flagship phone.
- It's not only Italy's problem: if it were just Italy, I would have worked on other releases and made it available as custom rom, as every other person on this forum would do, but it's a common problem, and I thought we need a common solution.
Thanks for your reply, if I sounded rude, please forgive me, it's only difficult to explain such things in a foreign language.
Tiwiz
no, its fine. I did sign the petition before replying to the thread. The consumer protection agency one was just a suggestion. I am in Maldives and we dont have an LG office/branch here, therefor we cannot do anything against them.
lets first see we can get gingerbread
they promise it on the (netherlands-belgium) website
they say "always updated to the latest version of android with one click on the button"
check link for prove and for petition
http://www.petitions24.com/lgo2xtogb
already +400 signatures
gtz
davjan
hisham027 said:
no, its fine. I did sign the petition before replying to the thread. The consumer protection agency one was just a suggestion. I am in Maldives and we dont have an LG office/branch here, therefor we cannot do anything against them.
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For what I could understand, smaller offices, like italians just works as test units, so it would be a waste of time to keep in touch with them...
@davjan you are right, but after the Android Handset Alliance, this is just a pain to ear... ICS can run on Nexus S, it MUST run on our...
Tiwiz
signed!! now we have to spit it to media! to any news website or tv! make it public!
Already spammed everywhere, Facebook pages included
Tiwiz
davjan said:
lets first see we can get gingerbread
they promise it on the (netherlands-belgium) website
they say "always updated to the latest version of android with one click on the button"
check link for prove and for petition
http://www.petitions24.com/lgo2xtogb
already +400 signatures
gtz
davjan
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Already signed, check the #2 on the signature list.
tiwiz said:
Hello everyone,
I just made an online petition to obtain ICS for our device. I know someone can say we only want last release of an operating system and such. In my opinion, that's false. We want something we paid for. I gave LG my trust and they disappointed me. Please, sign the petition, if you share my thoughts, or at least give it a read.
Petition link​
Thanks to all who'll help out
Tiwiz
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nice try, but no one will give a f*-ck about it !
as for other android phones : you get the version installed & 1 update ...
so ... froyo + GB , that´s it. then our phone is outdated.
companies want to make money & sell new phones, so that´s their policy ...
i can sign your petition if you like, but it will change nothing ...
sorry, but that´s the truth
but at least we have official CM support, so when ICS SDK is available, we will get it from this source
Even the gb leaks are based on froyo kernels. Face it we are never going to get gingerbread let alone ICS because LG simply can't do it. (I blame nvidia aswell btw but thats a whole different story)
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Signed and also investigating local Dutch laws to protect customers.
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DarthD said:
Signed and also investigating local Dutch laws to protect customers.
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is this you http://twitter.com/#!/mennowoerts ?
otherwise you maybe can contact him , he is also looking for possibilities what we can do against LG
davjan said:
is this you http://twitter.com/#!/mennowoerts ?
otherwise you maybe can contact him , he is also looking for possibilities what we can do against LG
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No its not my tweet but I will try to contact him. let's try to force lg into making a good ROM
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Petition for unlocked bootloader

We need your help to unlock all Motorola bootloaders.
Help us by signing the petition to achieve 7500 signatures.
http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
Regards.
There are 7018 signatures at the moment.
This is for all motorola's phones.
We need ~260 more signatures.
There are 7248 signatures until now.
Signed
Really want to see the Motorola milestone's bootloader get unlocked even though I've moved on
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App
Just 60 more votes, I cant imagine what kabaldan could do with an unlocked bootloader...
No need to buy another phone ever !
igna.worn said:
Just 60 more votes, I cant imagine what kabaldan could do with an unlocked bootloader...
No need to buy another phone ever !
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It's not my intention to destroy your dreams... but you really think Motorola will unlock the bootloader thanks to this petition? However, I signed... maybe a miracle will help us.
7500 signatures reached, and now the goal is 10000... I'm confused
As far as I know the goal is unlimited the more votes the better chance.
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Keeping my fingers crossed
But i doubt... Motorola suites are not gonna listen so easy

I contacted LG for unlocked bootloader.

Hello there,
I just contacted LG support for a unlocked bootloader, and they answered.
I talked in dutch but Google Translate will help a lot.
Please don't watch my grammar because i typed to fast.
http://c6.velaro.com/Chat/EmailTranscript.aspx?rid=818d9073-b3ec-4d1b-bb43-3ff327164e2a&siteid=10591
I hope LG will listen to this.:good:
good job bro
it seems they gonna support the new phone
they unlock bootlder and devs will do remainings
oktay50000 said:
good job bro
it seems they gonna support the new phone
they unlock bootlder and devs will do remainings
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its just the matter of when and how
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Google Translate FTW. I really hope this phone gets unlocked soon. I'm planning on picking this up this weekend or next week. Price is too good to pass up on such a high end spec'd device.
Thanks OP for the info, but if the Google translation was remotely accurate, I didn't see anything that suggest LG has any plans to unlock it.
The LG representative only said that it's a new model and she assumes that some more updates will come. If I am not much mistaken she even said that she doesn't even know what a bootloader is.
In any case what were the OP doing talking to a woman about tech stuff?
j/k
Let's hope that LG will come clean with their updates.
psolord said:
Thanks OP for the info, but if the Google translation was remotely accurate, I didn't see anything that suggest LG has any plans to unlock it.
The LG representative only said that it's a new model and she assumes that some more updates will come. If I am not much mistaken she even said that she doesn't even know what a bootloader is.
In any case what were the OP doing talking to a woman about tech stuff?
j/k
Let's hope that LG will come clean with their updates.
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Sonds to me more that she said "Update will come, don't know when, and no information about unlocked bootloader". I wouldn't be surprised if the local support people don't know anything about any update plans. It has always been like this with LG, tell nobody and suddenly it's there. Only chance might be that more support people file the user's wishes to LG and some intelligent people there get it done.
I think that the only way to get **** done is to contact Korean lg support.
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I think that the only way to get **** done is to contact Korean lg support.
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Good solution and put the link that let us to contact them too..
I am sorry for inconvenience reply ..
Best regards,
^ O4X aren't produced in Korea, let's contact LG Global
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^ O4X aren't produced in Korea, let's contact LG Global
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Samsung has wave phones that have the worst supporting and these wave phones were distributing in Korea. There are users also from Korea for wave phones, but samsung never mind with this phones and users also.
I make sure that the boot-loader will be unlocked for LG O4X , but we need a little bit time to wait and contact LG Developers
Best regards,
psolord said:
Thanks OP for the info, but if the Google translation was remotely accurate, I didn't see anything that suggest LG has any plans to unlock it.
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I've read the transcript in Dutch and I've got the same feeling, so it's not the translation. It sounds like a "don't call us, we call you".

S-Off and Unbricking Project

Zarboz said:
Hello dear XDA-Community,
The idea of this thread was to serve as an un bricking thread eventually,
I am looking into a riffbox for jtag service, I am approaching xda to see if any users would be interested in helping me cover the cost of said riffbox
if you were to donate towards the cause in return you would receive free unbrick service and jtag service for all your devices as long as the riffbox supports the CPU architecture
If this is of no interested not a big deal i just thought i would give the community a chance to get involved rather than keeping all the cool toys at my house and not sharing
This thread will be the hub for service requests. If you happen to need unbrick service, you will find this thread and us to help you.
I will post a log of all payments made from that money plus all Items received (e.g. the RIFF Box, the cables, Jigs, etc.)
I will also keep an online "work and ticket tracker" so that you can see live reports /pictures of the status of your repairs
now your like ok i didnt donate to help you buy this thingamabobber now i bricked my phone and i dont wanna pay some dude on ebay 60$ to fix it
cool find me post in the thread if your device is supported we can get it unbricked
Please remember i am one man and do have a child so im not planning to support 43000000x users but i dont think it would be bad to offer service to RC's RD's and senior members of xda for no cost of labor just get the unit here and ill jtag it up
RIFF Box - US $155.00 + Shipping
JIG Connector - negligible i have a variable temp soldering station so i could solder to the board direct at low heat
Updates / Facts / News:
Some things you might see around the thread
Hope this is gonna be very very educational for people too. Unbricking always is some sort of a mystery for many and if you send off your phone to some stranger on ebay, you usually don't get an idea about the "Hands On" and gettin' dirty bit of tearing down a phone and actually make it look nice and work properly again afterwards.
So, maybe we will even have some photos or videos and stuff and just give you an idea of how that all works...
Please ask your questions
and if your located in the USA and close to me for XDA active members I will always do what I can to help out as XDA has always helped me out
I am not trying to sell jtag service at all guys im saying if we can get me a riffbox ill give xda senior members RD's RC's RT's mods and members with over a 300 post count free jtag service
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Lets Get Zarboz a Riff Box!!! We all win from it!
Rydah805 said:
Hello dear XDA-Community,
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The idea of this thread was to serve as an un bricking thread eventually.
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Sent From My HTC One, On The Now Network From Sprint!
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Tentative support for Sprint One Depends on how many people are interested
Donators for riffbox
Epicroot - 40$ (Not paid)
lykarsis - 15$ (Not paid)
jcwxguy - 30$ (paid)
Enzyne - 20$ (Not paid)
bigdaddy619 - 10$ (paid)
Muncy_cool - 10 (paid)
oO diddy Oo - 20 (paid)
Robbert542 - 40(paid)
Krazya - 30 (not paid)
ScrapSilicon - 10 (paid)
motoelliot - 10 (paid)
ewalk4866 - 20 (paid)
YoungCorruptionV2.0 - 10$ (paid)
xhunter187 - 15$ (paid)
Total paid - 180
total unpaid - 5$
Remaining to be paid - 0 $
I MIGHT NEED TO ORDER A SET OF JIGS UNLESS I CAN FIND A PLACE THAT DOES A COMBO DEAL
If the pledged users make the donations ill order the riffbox today
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Tentative support for Sprint One Depends on how many people are interested
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ill have to wait a few weeks, but i can go in towards it, not a whole lot as i work at walmart :crying: but some :good:
jcwxguy said:
ill have to wait a few weeks, but i can go in towards it, not a whole lot as i work at walmart :crying: but some :good:
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thats cool man
remember i said donaters will recieve priority support for all devices i can help with
i will limit that to 5$ minimum donation i suppose? idk if i am allowed to do that
but i dont want someone to donate 20 cents for that....
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thats cool man
remember i said donaters will recieve priority support for all devices i can help with
i will limit that to 5$ minimum donation i suppose? idk if i am allowed to do that
but i dont want someone to donate 20 cents for that....
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i was thinking anywhere from $10-$50, depending on a bonus im getting
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i was thinking anywhere from $10-$50, depending on a bonus im getting
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The unit was 155+ shipping so i think it came out to 180$ or so
anything helps
I'm in... :thumbup:
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Thanks guys, everybody benefits from this.
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Rydah805 said:
Thanks guys, everybody benefits from this.
Sent From My HTC One, On The Now Network From Sprint!
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Where can I donate? I don't have PayPal.
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Where can I donate?
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im trying to figure out if i should setup a paypal or if i should use my personal one to do it or how that should work
Zarboz said:
im trying to figure out if i should setup a paypal or if i should use my personal one to do it or how that should work
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Get to it you fuhhckin brainiac!
Sent From My HTC One, On The Now Network From Sprint!
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Get to it you fuhhckin brainiac!
Sent From My HTC One, On The Now Network From Sprint!
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I think ill do all of them through my personal and keep public track in the tread of donations who has sent and not
if someone requests a refund ill be able to issue it
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Where can I donate? I don't have PayPal.
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hmmm that is kind of a problem
i dont think you have to have a paypal account to send $
I donated in the Evo LTE thread didn't see this thread til just now
bigdaddy619 said:
I donated in the Evo LTE thread didn't see this thread til just now
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I wanted to support lte users too
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I think this is great and all but I have one question.
How would a single riff box provide all of us with s-off? JTAG is a great skill to have but if there is only one riff box its not going to benefit the rest of the community for s-off. We need a s-off solution that wont require all of us to buy special hardware to achieve it.
wranglerray said:
I think this is great and all but I have one question.
How would a single riff box provide all of us with s-off? JTAG is a great skill to have but if there is only one riff box its not going to benefit the rest of the community for s-off. We need a s-off solution that wont require all of us to buy special hardware to achieve it.
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You obviously didn't read the op
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Zarboz said:
You obviously didn't read the op
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I did read your op. And the title says s-off and unbricking project.
so if this for just unbricking or both?
My point is its a little misleading. JTAG is awesome for unbricking but if this is going to be an s-off project also the average user should understand the risks of JTAG for s-off. Like it requires the phone to be taken completely apart and then flashed. And hopefully put back together correctly.
I changed the digitizer on my og evo and swore i'd never try it again. I'm not knocking what your trying to accomplish I just think the rest of the community should be aware of what jtag entails.
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I did read your op. And the title says s-off and unbricking project.
so if this for just unbricking or both?
My point is its a little misleading. JTAG is awesome for unbricking but if this is going to be an s-off project also the average user should understand the risks of JTAG for s-off. Like it requires the phone to be taken completely apart and then flashed. And hopefully put back together correctly.
I changed the digitizer on my og evo and swore i'd never try it again. I'm not knocking what your trying to accomplish I just think the rest of the community should be aware of what jtag entails.
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so if you read the OP you would understand that i am offering free jtagging service to those who donate / users who have a 300+ post count for use once unit is received
if you dont understand what the service is capable of don't knock it
I also don't expect every john and jane doe to send me their phone just to get s-off thats ridiculous and also CLEARLY stated in the op....
it sounds like you read the title skimmed the paragraph and are now asking why i think this is a good idea?
1) To service high end users who want the freedom of their device and don't care about warranty as it is invasive
2) to offer a free alternative for xda users who are paying sites like mobiletechvideos 40-50$ for s-off service
3) to give something back
4) to offer brick repair to a site that has always been there to help me esp to those n00b users who just flash whatever and brick their unit
I also was a cell phone repair tech for 2x years and have quite extensive knowledge in this field
just wanted to share is all
BOOM!!!!
Zarboz said:
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so if you read the OP you would understand that i am offering free jtagging service to those who donate / users who have a 300+ post count for use once unit is received
if you dont understand what the service is capable of don't knock it
I also don't expect every john and jane doe to send me their phone just to get s-off thats ridiculous and also CLEARLY stated in the op....
it sounds like you read the title skimmed the paragraph and are now asking why i think this is a good idea?
1) To service high end users who want the freedom of their device and don't care about warranty as it is invasive
2) to offer a free alternative for xda users who are paying sites like mobiletechvideos 40-50$ for s-off service
3) to give something back
4) to offer brick repair to a site that has always been there to help me esp to those n00b users who just flash whatever and brick their unit
I also was a cell phone repair tech for 2x years and have quite extensive knowledge in this field
just wanted to share is all
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