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[Q] Droid 3 and Official Ice Cream Sandwich Update Chances.

So guys, what do you all think ? What are our chances to receive ics from motorola? I would say we got some pretty decent chances since our phone is "Evaluation & Planning" on https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c it could only take a while... But i still believe in it, what are your oppinion guys ? Will we get it after all ?

I highly doubt that the D3 will ever see an official ICS update. We were lucky to get .906 to be honest. The closest thing we will get is CM9 and AOKP. But hey, there's always that little glimmer of chance though.

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m4nu4l said:
So guys, what do you all think ? What are our chances to receive ics from motorola? I would say we got some pretty decent chances since our phone is "Evaluation & Planning" on https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c it could only take a while... But i still believe in it, what are your oppinion guys ? Will we get it after all ?
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I think we will get it... Probably not until December or something crazy like that. They probably won't make an announcement until July or Aug as to which phones will receive it.
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Im being optimistic about the update too, Droid 3 is powerful enough to run the ICS smoothly... Why shouldnt they do it ?

m4nu4l said:
Im being optimistic about the update too, Droid 3 is powerful enough to run the ICS smoothly... Why shouldnt they do it ?
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I think Verizon won't allow the D3 to be updated. They are focusing more on 4G LTE devices as well as devices that have at least 1 Gig of ram. Since the D3 has neither, I doubt that we will see ICS officially released from Verizon.

Most of the devices in the market today have 512ram and are running ICS Smoothly.. Officialy.

m4nu4l said:
Most of the devices in the market today have 512ram and are running ICS Smoothly.. Officialy.
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But do those devices have heavy bloatware and a heavy custom UI like MotoBlur running on them? These are things that you have to take into consideration. There's still hope for an official ICS update, but I just don't see it happening.

Our phone runs just fine without them. All we need is hardware codecs and the big stuff with ICS will be pretty much done.
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MrObvious said:
Our phone runs just fine without them. All we need is hardware codecs and the big stuff with ICS will be pretty much done.
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Im' awaare, but an official release of ICS would have the bloat and custom UI.

clorox.bleach said:
Im' awaare, but an official release of ICS would have the bloat and custom UI.
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and no one on XDA ever created a rom based on "official" updates without removing bloat or UI?

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and no one on XDA ever created a rom based on "official" updates without removing bloat or UI?
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I'm not talking about custom roms like CM9 or AOKP. I am talking about a stock ICS rom from Motorola and Verizon for the D3. An official update. I am simply stating that since the D3 has no 4G LTE and only 512 mb of ram, Verizon and Motorola most likely won't bother updating it to ICS. Also, being that it has 512 mb of ram, ICS, along with all of Verizon's bloat and Motorola's custom UI, won't run as smoothly as a custom rom.

Isn't there a internal moto dev version of ics that supposedly ran beautifully? thought I remembered reading about that a while ago.
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Heres an email i received from Motorola support.
Dear Vytautas,
Thanks for reaching out to Motorola. I’ve reviewed your e-mail and I’m ready to help.
We do understand that you are excited with the latest Android Ice Cream Sandwich update and we are very sorry for the inconvenience. However, at this time, we do not have any further details, yet, if the Droid 3 will be updated to Ice Cream Sandwich.
As soon as we have the information, it will be shared to all users. Do not worry, your concern has already been noted.
We hope that you find this information useful and we look forward to assisting you in the future.
For information about Motorola products and services, please visit us at http://www.motorola.com/
Thank you for contacting Motorola e-mail support.
Best Regards,
Brian
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I think that support guy knows something, but he just cant tell anything... Do not worry, your concern has already been noted. This fraze makes me think about that...

I've got a feeling Moto will be working on D3/Milestone3/XT883 or whatever its called and possibly release the files for ours or similar devices, but the sticking point will be Verizon.
Shouldn't matter if the other carriers/similar devices get ICS, Id guess porting what we'd need wouldn't be a problem then

clorox.bleach said:
I think Verizon won't allow the D3 to be updated. They are focusing more on 4G LTE devices as well as devices that have at least 1 Gig of ram. Since the D3 has neither, I doubt that we will see ICS officially released from Verizon.
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An HTC Droid Incredible 2 update has already been announced, so it's not that. (The DInc 2 has 768 MB of RAM; perhaps that is enough to make a difference? I doubt it, though.)
It's probably 50/50. Clearly Moto will focus on getting the Razrs, Bionic and Droid 4 updated before they move on to other phones. The D3 seems a natural upgrade - unlike the X2, it has the same processor as those other phones; it's basically a Bionic with a keyboard, no LTE, "world phone" capability and half the RAM. Is that enough to make it a difficult upgrade? I guess we'll know when we know.

m4nu4l said:
Heres an email i received from Motorola support.
I think that support guy knows something, but he just cant tell anything... Do not worry, your concern has already been noted. This fraze makes me think about that...
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Being the downer I am, I feel like he meant to say "SHUT UP ALREADY! We know you want ICS! We just like watching you all squirm!"
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So, today I got bored and decided to pick Moto's brains a bit about this topic. (Yes, this is what I did with my free time today.)
I got slightly off topic myself do to his ignorance, but in the end it went well I'd say... You can pretty much skip to the last 5 or so lines.
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Rez: Hi, my name is Rez. How may I help you?
Me: I just have a question about the Droid 3 getting Andorid 4.0. I see that older devices (from other companies) with less powerful internals are scheduled to receive an ICS update. Is it likely that the D3 will receive 4.0?
Rez: That's a good question, Redsox985. Let me check that out for you.
Me: Thanks.
Rez: Thank you for waiting, Redsox985.
Rez: I can see that the ICS update for Droid 3 is under evaluation and planning. We will keep you posted thru our website for updates.
Rez: https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Me: What does "evaluation and planning" mean? Can you say if it'll happen or not based on this?
Rez: We are waiting for information about the update, Redsox985. It is pending. It should pushed thru since we send updates to most of the Motorola
smartphones from time to time.
Me: Also, I know that independent developers have made a handful of ROMs built from source that run smoothly on the D3. Is it a matter of if the phone can run ICS or is its age an issue?
Rez: Are you referring to a different software for Droid 3 or get the phone rooted, is that what you mean?
Me: Yes, by rooting, you can flash independently built ICS rom's from android source. They run on the phone, but some issues exist between the gingerbread kernel (locked boot loader) and ICS features like hardware acceleration, video camera, and flash.
Me: Adobe flash that is.
Rez: The problem later is the phone will not be able to receive updates once the phone is rooted.
Me: It can be unrooted and restored back to stock software with an SBF.
Rez: It can be unrooted but the updates will not work anymore.
Me: I just did it. I was running 5.6.890 rooted with an open source ICS rom. The 5.7.906 update had started to be pushed OTA. I ran RSD Lite and restored the phone to box stock 5.6.890. I then accepted and installed the OTA. Then re-rooted it.
Rez: It may be working for now but we don't the after-effect of it. I have that case earlier that his phone was rooted before. After trying to unroot it, the phone will not boot up. He's trying to update the phone but it cannot be updated anymore since the phone is not on. suggested to send it to our repair center but I set an expectation to him that it will be considered to be out of warranty already.
Me: RSD Lite will flash all partitions of the phone (radio, system, etc.) back to box stock as if it was purchased new.
Rez: That's a good experiment, Redsox985. How do you want me to help you with that?
Me: It's not an experiment. It works. I just used it. It unrooted my phone and flashed all partitions allowing me to accept the latest OTA.
Me: If I'm able to return to the OTA path, then how could receiving an ICS update (if one even comes) be any different?
Rez: ICS has not yet been announced, we don't have the list of enhancements yet what are included on the ICS. We don't have the information also what will not work once the ICS is installed on the phone that was rooted. We will keep you posted thru our website at www.motorola com for updates.
Me: It can be unrooted and restored to stock software to the point where an OTA will not be able to detect anything different. It's possible to flash box stock software to the phone. It rewrites all partitions.
Rez: I see. That's a good idea.
Me: So, can you speak on the likelihood of the D3 receiving official ICS? It can run it, it's been done. Why won't Moto even consider it?
Rez: We are following what's being updated to us. As I mentioned earlier the ICS update for Droid 3 is under evaluation and planning. If you have successfully done it by rooting, it's not from us.
Me: I know it's not official, I'm just wondering why it hasn't been done being that it's possible.
Rez: Because we are working on updates thoroughly. We don't want that we just send out updates with glitches.
Me: So, ICS for the D3 is being worked on?
Rez: Yes. That's part of evaluation.
Me: But it's possible that the update will just be killed internally before it ever is released?
Rez: I cant say that unless it happens. I don't want to give any false hopes. Because we are also waiting for that update.
Me: Can you estimate the D3's chances of receiving ICS?
Rez: 90 per cent it will receive it.
Me: Wow. I'm impressed. Thanks.
Me: Is that a hopeful or conservative estimate?
Rez: Hopeful.

Lolz I think you know more about the phone then your rep did
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Endoroid said:
Lolz I think you know more about the phone then your rep did
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Undoubtedly. But he has the internal update info I don't. So I dealt with his stupidity and kept pressing.

6.7.244 ics

And another one leaks. Same deal as 242...Security doesn't allow downgrade to 905 yada blah blah. This is getting old now. We've been on ics leaks since June and no ota in sight. House of Bionic has support for 244 for those who've already jumped to 235+. Those on 232 should continue to wait. At this point those on 232 are pretty much getting as much use out of it as they did 905. Maybe even more so. Lol.
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I think at this rate those of us on the Bionic will see Key Lime Pie out on the Nexus before we see ICS.

It's certainly getting to that point. If this build gets rejected then it's going to be October before we have any hope of seeing ota. Ugh!
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I am not that certain the Bionic will see ICS officially. Maybe there will declare it at EOL and quit.

Reason #2 why I will never, never, never buy another Moto device of any sort. This is totally absurd.

Has nothing to do with Moto. This is 100% on VZW. Moto has put out _9_ builds that VZW has rejected. *9*! That's unheard of. The ONLY issue left to fix is the stupid flash thing which NO moto ICS build works properly with. It's ridiculous but it's not Moto's fault.

Underwater Mike said:
Reason #2 why I will never, never, never buy another Moto device of any sort. This is totally absurd.
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In the future, Motorola will be offering developer editions of their phones so that is my reason for continuing to remain with them, along with the quality of build typically being superior to the other companies (I say typical, as in not being 100% but for the most part).
With them releasing developer editions, this shouldn't be a problem anymore because it basically will turn all of their future devices into nexus's as far as being able to develop for.
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smokedkill said:
In the future, Motorola will be offering developer editions of their phones so that is my reason for continuing to remain with them, along with the quality of build typically being superior to the other companies (I say typical, as in not being 100% but for the most part).
With them releasing developer editions, this shouldn't be a problem anymore because it basically will turn all of their future devices into nexus's as far as being able to develop for.
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And let's not forget the most important aspect. Right in the middle of our ICS update being developed, Google went in and cleaned house at Moto. You can't deny that Moto is going to be a very different company moving forward with Google now owning them and installing an ex-Google ceo as the new Moto ceo. We're already starting to see massive changes and I for one think it's going to get a lot better. I'm on board with a new dev device from Moto as soon as they release the one I want. Samsung lost that bet with me back in July. The Samsung unicorn never materialized. Moto already has the devices up on the unlock page so we're not talking unicorns here. The RAZR M dev phone is up for preorder and I think coming this week. So, let's forget about the old Moto run by an idiot and focus on what direction Google is pointing the ship now.

I agree. I watched their press conference on YouTube and they definitely seemed like a new company. They specifically mentioned people wanting to tinker with their phones and changing things. It's been no secret that google follows the development community, especially considering some of the newer features of android were originally developed by the root community back in the old days of android (2009-2010).
On a side note, did anyone read about how nobody who works at apple actually uses SIRI (at least none of their developers). I found it amusing since I've seen the apple fanboys brag about SIRI. I think google and Android manufacturers should look into suing apple over some of the things they took from Android, such as voice search and folders. If you ask a fanboy, I'm sure they would tell you that android stole those from apple as well, even if we did have them first.
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On a side note, did anyone read about how nobody who works at apple actually uses SIRI (at least none of their developers). I found it amusing since I've seen the apple fanboys brag about SIRI. I think google and Android manufacturers should look into suing apple over some of the things they took from Android, such as voice search and folders. If you ask a fanboy, I'm sure they would tell you that android stole those from apple as well, even if we did have them first.
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Share a link... I'd love to read about that bit of news.

A curiosity about this release... Some folks (including myself) found out that tethering was borked, even with FoxFi, after a certain leak release version. I'm not sure which one but I know tethering wasn't working for me on .232 and it doesn't work on my install of Liquid ICS 1.5 ROM, but I started from scratch and put .223 back into my non-safe side and FoxFi worked. Any idea if .244 still blocks tethering?
The obvious answer would be "yes" if we follow the logic that some version after .223 blocked it, but I just wanted to make sure

FoxFi hasn't stopped working for me in any of the builds. Still kicking for me in 244, as well.

Its in the article on USA today about a former executive talking about the siri commercials detracting from the product. I believe it made other news outlets also. I'll see if I can find a link.
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Share a link... I'd love to read about that bit of news.
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Here is a link. The part about apple employees not using it is near the end.
http://mashable.com/2012/09/10/ex-apple-exec-pull-siri-ads/
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.244 change log
-the boring 2 has been changed to an awesome 4
-new "chiwawa barking dog" default ringtone
-phone now actually taste like a ice cream sandwich
-leaves breath minty fresh

ROFLMAO! That about sums it up.

Its VZW causing the delay
SamuriHL said:
Has nothing to do with Moto. This is 100% on VZW. Moto has put out _9_ builds that VZW has rejected. *9*! That's unheard of. The ONLY issue left to fix is the stupid flash thing which NO moto ICS build works properly with. It's ridiculous but it's not Moto's fault.
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I agree, this is 100% VZW. My Motorola Xoom tablet received Android 4.1 back in July, because they did not have to go through VZW to release to the field. The XOOM and Bioinc run the exact same processor.

LMDude said:
I agree, this is 100% VZW. My Motorola Xoom tablet received Android 4.1 back in July, because they did not have to go through VZW to release to the field. The XOOM and Bioinc run the exact same processor.
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Actually they don't. The Bionic uses an OMAP 4400. Nonetheless, VZW is what's holding up the OTA. Moto has done everything they can do to try to please them. I mean, how do you fix a problem with a plugin that's never going to get another update by the people who made it? It's clear that Adobe would have to fix it on their end not on Moto's. So it's just stupid.

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Actually they don't. The Bionic uses an OMAP 4400. Nonetheless, VZW is what's holding up the OTA. Moto has done everything they can do to try to please them. I mean, how do you fix a problem with a plugin that's never going to get another update by the people who made it? It's clear that Adobe would have to fix it on their end not on Moto's. So it's just stupid.
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I value your opinion SamuriHL so let me ask you this. Is VZW's delay why you have chosen to go down the can never go back path (.235-.244)? I've been sitting idle at .232 and I'm ready to move on. Now with the news that we will get JB OTA at some point should I just wait another month for the ICS OTA or do what you have done down the leaked path. Do you think we'll get JB leaks too? I don't mind making the jump but I have to live with this phone for at least another 14 months and honestly i don't think I'll need to upgrade when the time comes. I'm pretty darn content with the Bionic. I just don't want to go down this road to end up at a dead end. Can we keep going forward?

zoompastu said:
I value your opinion SamuriHL so let me ask you this. Is VZW's delay why you have chosen to go down the can never go back path (.235-.244)? I've been sitting idle at .232 and I'm ready to move on. Now with the news that we will get JB OTA at some point should I just wait another month for the ICS OTA or do what you have done down the leaked path. Do you think we'll get JB leaks too? I don't mind making the jump but I have to live with this phone for at least another 14 months and honestly i don't think I'll need to upgrade when the time comes. I'm pretty darn content with the Bionic. I just don't want to go down this road to end up at a dead end. Can we keep going forward?
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I can't give you any guarantees. Please understand that point as it's VERY important to what I say next.
I chose to originally go to the 235+ path because at the time I THOUGHT I was within a couple weeks of getting a new Samsung S3 Developer phone (what I now call the Samsung unicorn). However, I also wrote the House of Bionic and knew that I could keep moving forward as new leaks came out. Little did I know there'd be so many to test my code on. LOL! The HoB is pretty rock solid at this point....literally being "tested" by hundreds of users. But the warning about 235+ holds...we can't go back to any builds pre-235. That includes 905 which is a very big deal since all ICS updates ONLY update 905. The HoB will flash what parts of 905 it can (system, preinstall, webtop) and then the boot img of the update you're trying to install which allows us to move forward. And in fact allows us to move down, as well. Just no further down than 235. I bring that up for a reason. A lot of us have gone to 244 and we like it. A lot. But should VZW decide to OTA 242, as an example, those of us that have moved forward would be screwed without the ability to move back to 242 to get back on the OTA path. The HoB can do that for us. So I'm not personally concerned with my own phone getting back to the OTA path. Once we get a new ICS FXZ we'll be fine regardless. My warnings are for people that haven't been as blessed as I have to learn from some of the best people in our community. I like to make sure that others have options. Which is why I recommend the majority of people stick with 232. Unless you know the risks, and understand what the process does to your phone to move from one update to another (hint...it involves soft bricking until the update you're trying to install is successfully applied....not for the faint of heart since there's no FXZ safety net to fall back on should something go wrong), then 232 is the "safest" place to be. It gives you ICS but gives you the option of FXZ'ing back to 905 and taking the OTA should you need to go that route. Those on 235+ have only one option available to them...And that is the process I outlined that Matt Groff gave to us for moving between updates. I'm confident enough in the code and method that I believe it'll work. Now, go read the very first line of this post again, cause it's an important point to understand.

SamuriHL said:
I can't give you any guarantees. Please understand that point as it's VERY important to what I say next.
I chose to originally go to the 235+ path because at the time I THOUGHT I was within a couple weeks of getting a new Samsung S3 Developer phone (what I now call the Samsung unicorn). However, I also wrote the House of Bionic and knew that I could keep moving forward as new leaks came out. Little did I know there'd be so many to test my code on. LOL! The HoB is pretty rock solid at this point....literally being "tested" by hundreds of users. But the warning about 235+ holds...we can't go back to any builds pre-235. That includes 905 which is a very big deal since all ICS updates ONLY update 905. The HoB will flash what parts of 905 it can (system, preinstall, webtop) and then the boot img of the update you're trying to install which allows us to move forward. And in fact allows us to move down, as well. Just no further down than 235. I bring that up for a reason. A lot of us have gone to 244 and we like it. A lot. But should VZW decide to OTA 242, as an example, those of us that have moved forward would be screwed without the ability to move back to 242 to get back on the OTA path. The HoB can do that for us. So I'm not personally concerned with my own phone getting back to the OTA path. Once we get a new ICS FXZ we'll be fine regardless. My warnings are for people that haven't been as blessed as I have to learn from some of the best people in our community. I like to make sure that others have options. Which is why I recommend the majority of people stick with 232. Unless you know the risks, and understand what the process does to your phone to move from one update to another (hint...it involves soft bricking until the update you're trying to install is successfully applied....not for the faint of heart since there's no FXZ safety net to fall back on should something go wrong), then 232 is the "safest" place to be. It gives you ICS but gives you the option of FXZ'ing back to 905 and taking the OTA should you need to go that route. Those on 235+ have only one option available to them...And that is the process I outlined that Matt Groff gave to us for moving between updates. I'm confident enough in the code and method that I believe it'll work. Now, go read the very first line of this post again, cause it's an important point to understand.
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I understand completely. One thing I just learned was If lets say .244 (or .242 as you used as an example) is the OTA release then we are back on the path as long as our version matches the current verizon version. Or did I totally miss interput that. HoB script is Awesome and is what I've used for moving from .2233-.232 and I fully trust myself to use these tools properly to move forward. Sounds like you're in the know of where to locate updates and are a reliable member of the Bionic XDA Community. Since there MAY be a way for us to move forward I think I'll take the plunge this weekend when I have some down time. Thank You

Is rooting G900A officially dead?

My original GS5 had a broken gyroscope and I had it replaced a few weeks ago. I didn't expect or realize that Asurian, the company that does At&t's insurance, would send me one running Lollipop, still in original packaging no less. After trying and failing to downgrade to 4.4.2 for hours, I found out that it's not possible.
So, with no exploits to work with, a locked and encrypted bootloader, and some Xposed Modules no longer working from the looks of some forum posts, is GS5 rooting officially dead? Is there some other option that hasn't been considered to acquire root? Since I'm out of warranty, I don't care about tripping KNOX.
Is it possible to completely remove all the software on the phone and replace it with rooted software? I know it may sound idiotic, but I'm no developer, just a guy who likes tinkering with tech, so go easy on me please. I only ask this because I was thinking of getting some outside help to possibly decrypt the bootloader. I've read on other forums that trying to decrypt a phone bootloader is a worthless endeavour but it didn't stop me from looking. As it turns out, even with an extensive Google search, there is no explaination of the subject of bootloader decryption, no software to use, no experts in the field explaining their experience or anything at all helpful.
I'm very much pissed that my first dive into the Android (customizable) experience with the GS5 was first stilted by At&t and now killed. I have not seen any updates indicating any progress on rooting and I'm hoping it's only because I missed it. Considering the time elapsed and the bounty for decrypting the software never being claimed, shall I lose hope and wait out this crappy device until I can buy a new one? Or, is root still of some concern?

Hey, I'm sorry to hear about your loss of root. As far as I know it's dead for now unless someone comes up with something. Not sure if anyone has tried flashing a boot loader from another carrier or not but, that might work. Only thing is, if it doesn't you lost your phone.
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Yeah, that will brick the phone. Can't flash bootloaders from other carriers to a locked bootloader.

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Yeah, that will brick the phone. Can't flash bootloaders from other carriers to a locked bootloader.
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Good to know.
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Guess we may need to raise another $18,000 for developing a root. Is there no other geobot out there talented enough?

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Guess we may need to raise another $18,000 for developing a root. Is there no other geobot out there talented enough?
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Or just not buy phones from carriers.
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If I could find a SM-G800M at a decent price, I would! It's the only mini model with all four of the same LTE and LTE-A bands that AT&T operates.

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Or just not buy phones from carriers.
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I will be following that advice in the future!
Furious over the forced 5.0 FOTA upgrade with ATT's bootloader and no way to flash 4.4.2. or a custom rom...
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Guess we may need to raise another $18,000 for developing a root. Is there no other geobot out there talented enough?
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I'll donate large sums to this cause just on principle.
ATT hasn't completely locked down their Galaxy Notes (it can be flashed back to their 4.4.2 stock rom from 5.0.1)... Just primarily their S5...

Maybe a dev can look into this for a possible root...
http://www.networkworld.com/article...-a-simple-mms-message-or-multimedia-file.html
There is a part of the article that mentions root access is possible, now if it could be a permanent root is the real question.

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Maybe a dev can look into this for a possible root...
http://www.networkworld.com/article...-a-simple-mms-message-or-multimedia-file.html
There is a part of the article that mentions root access is possible, now if it could be a permanent root is the real question.
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I posed the same question, whether the devs thought stagefright could be used to facilitate rooting the ATT Note 4 and @graydiggy was awesome at explaining the exploit may only work on phones without write protection (the Nexus line).
Wonder if Joshua Drake (who discovered the flaw) would be willing to assist xdaers with this ATT S5 root issue should a proper bounty be offered. Seems Google paid him only about $1500 for reporting the problem and for the patches he created and sent (to Google)...
Currently, @Kingxteam gets mad respect for developing a tool to root otherwise unrootable phones. They have yet to add ATT's galaxy S5 (SM-900A) to their list of supported phones but I suspect they're working on it. Maybe PM them?

Hope is good thing... maybe the best of things.
Cave Canem said:
...Currently, @Kingxteam gets mad respect for developing a tool to root otherwise unrootable phones. They have yet to add ATT's galaxy S5 (SM-900A) to their list of supported phones but I suspect they're working on it. ...
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Go Kingxteam !!! All glory and honor and praise to you all -- especially if you can "tame this wild horse" with a root. :victory:

I'm new to all this rooting and don't understand any of the language yet but would like to start rooting. Unfortunately the phone I have seems to be unrootable. Anyone know if I can root my memo pad 7 on AT&T don't know model number but I do know it's running kk4.4

Just got this phone a week ago and returning/exchanging isn't an option for me. I really hope there are still some ambitious devs out there looking for a solution to rooting the lollipop OC4 version, although I fear the majority have moved on. :crying:

Can't find root

I finally gave in and got this phone and now I'm not finding a way to root for my build g920au2aof3, the kernal says June so ping ping doesn't work & it's on 5.0.2. Only reason I got it is cause I thought I could root it, & I'm getting the case with sd card reader. Anyone know of another way ???

ZephCr said:
I finally gave in and got this phone and now I'm not finding a way to root for my build g920au2aof3, the kernal says June so ping ping doesn't work & it's on 5.0.2. Only reason I got it is cause I thought I could root it, & I'm getting the case with sd card reader. Anyone know of another way ???
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Nope. No current root method. You'll have to wait or ditch the phone.

dandrumheller said:
Nope. No current root method. You'll have to wait or ditch the phone.
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Isnt there a unikernel or something along that name that can be flashed with Odin then boot into recovery and flash SuperSU.zip to obtain root?
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daniel4653 said:
Isnt there a unikernel or something along that name that can be flashed with Odin then boot into recovery and flash SuperSU.zip to obtain root?
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Nope. Not on AT&T and VZW with locked bootloaders.

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Nope. Not on AT&T and VZW with locked bootloaders.
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Has anyone with an ATT phone actually tried to flash it and got an error?
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daniel4653 said:
Has anyone with an ATT phone actually tried to flash it and got an error?
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I tried on OF3. Just says something about my phone isn't supported. I had it rooted previously on last build from AT&T. Now I'm on OF4. Just got the ota yesterday. Went ahead and took it. I have went a few months without root. I can deal with not having it.
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Has anyone with an ATT phone actually tried to flash it and got an error?
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Yes some people have, some even managed to manually try to flash a root kernel. The bootloader is locked and it fails verification (and does not allow the kernel to load). Gives an error to the effect "the software is not verified. Please return your device to get it fixed"
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_Dennis_ said:
Yes some people have, some even managed to manually try to flash a root kernel. The bootloader is locked and it fails verification (and does not allow the kernel to load). Gives an error to the effect "the software is not verified. Please return your device to get it fixed"
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that's exactly what will happen for sure @_Dennis_ good to see you back around my friend

Unfortunately as stated you are out of luck, you can get an international versions which is compatible with AT&T like SM-G920F or SM-G925F model. good luck

Lol what happened to the good old hacking days when android updates were rooted the same day, getting sadder and sadder with locked boatloaders and no root, Im on atat 5.0.2 and been waiting months for root.

jqwest said:
Lol what happened to the good old hacking days when android updates were rooted the same day, getting sadder and sadder with locked boatloaders and no root, Im on atat 5.0.2 and been waiting months for root.
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Latest firmware? Or OCE or OE2? I'm on OE2 and rooted

I'm on 0f4. Havent had root since OCE. Sure wish I had htc now... but i love my s6 other than no root and no bootloader unlock.

I'm also looking for root on at&t galaxy s6. Firmware OF4, build date Aug 5. Any luck so far? And it's also 5.0.2

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I'm also looking for root on at&t galaxy s6. Firmware OF4, build date Aug 5. Any luck so far? And it's also 5.0.2
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There's isn't any possible root for OF4
"All we know is...He's called the Stig!"
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Don't buy from carriers or anything Samsung for that matter.. Samsung is doing their best to be a wonderfully useless apple clone and I have never regretted a purchase more than this damn phone.. Everything I love about android is unavailable to me

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Don't buy from carriers or anything Samsung for that matter.. Samsung is doing their best to be a wonderfully useless apple clone and I have never regretted a purchase more than this damn phone.. Everything I love about android is unavailable to me
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Buy an International Samsung like I did unlockable and root. This is the best device I've ever owned.
You should've done your research before buying something you wouldn't be happy with it's no one's fault but your own
"All we know is...He's called the Stig!"
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Was I blaming anybody? or did I just make a statement of course it's my fault. That's not the point of my post.. The point is to help others not fall under the same predicament.. As for me I am never buying another Samsung again.. Problem solved

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Was I blaming anybody? or did I just make a statement of course it's my fault. That's not the point of my post.. The point is to help others not fall under the same predicament.. As for me I am never buying another Samsung again.. Problem solved
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And my point was to maybe help someone else do some research before buying a device they won't be happy with. I've had a Galaxy since the S2 and I love them. An international Samsung has a bootloader that can be unlocked,rooted and custom recovery installed so can the T mobile Sammy devices.
I'm on ATT using a G928C and it's the best device I've ever had. 700 bucks from Amazon brand new in the box. Selling my G925A to help offset the cost.
"All we know is...He's called the Stig!"
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Yeah I am aware of the possibilities but I am not just upset because of a locked bootloader.. I have had several android phones in the past but this my my first sammy. I really had no idea that they were going uber proprietary at the time of purchase because I have never run into a phone I couldn't modify.. Definitely my fault and I make it work as best I can but I simply cannot understand why a hardware company who isn't very good at/very motivated to make decent software when they could just leave it to folks like Google who actually give a crap when it comes to software stability/optimization. This coupled with the whole exynos contraversy is just too much.. I mean not properly documenting your hardware that is specifically designed for an open source platform like android seems incredibly backwards and absurd.. I simply cannot support this kind of business.. It's not like the phone has broken me or anything.. It was a great learning experience but honestly I'll just stick with nexus from now on.. If I want the benefits of a proprietary and curated platform I'll go with someone who actually cares to do it right like apple. But for now I still value freedom above all else and I can handle the extra work it takes to get my phone exactly how I want it. Samsung should just stop being so skitzo and if they are going to stay down this path they might actually want to invest in more serious talent to program their software.

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Yeah I am aware of the possibilities but I am not just upset because of a locked bootloader.. I have had several android phones in the past but this my my first sammy. I really had no idea that they were going uber proprietary at the time of purchase because I have never run into a phone I couldn't modify.. Definitely my fault and I make it work as best I can but I simply cannot understand why a hardware company who isn't very good at/very motivated to make decent software when they could just leave it to folks like Google who actually give a crap when it comes to software stability/optimization. This coupled with the whole exynos contraversy is just too much.. I mean not properly documenting your hardware that is specifically designed for an open source platform like android seems incredibly backwards and absurd.. I simply cannot support this kind of business.. It's not like the phone has broken me or anything.. It was a great learning experience but honestly I'll just stick with nexus from now on.. If I want the benefits of a proprietary and curated platform I'll go with someone who actually cares to do it right like apple. But for now I still value freedom above all else and I can handle the extra work it takes to get my phone exactly how I want it. Samsung should just stop being so skitzo and if they are going to stay down this path they might actually want to invest in more serious talent to program their software.
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Not disagreeing with you at all.
My understanding is and there's been articles released about it is Samsung is locking down the devices for certain carriers i.e. ATT/Verizon to make them more desirable to corporate entities as in being more secure.
Also I've read that for those carriers the next Note and the S7 will have it embedded if you try and exploit the bootloader it'll shut down and display a screen stating that the device has tried to be rooted. Not good.
That being said I'll continue to buy either the TMO or International Sammy because I feel they're actually an outstanding device.
Resale value is very good and I'll have no problem selling it.
This international S6E+ is the best phone I've ever had.
"All we know is...He's called the Stig!"
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Well...

Appears this is where we come to an end with development and rooting. All other g4s have been Rooted on Android m. We just don't have any love for this device. Appears we all messed up when we chose sprint as our carrier. Argh!

Wat, who are you? What makes you think you can make that call? There are people that spent countless hours making ROMs and Developing for the Sprint LG G4 and you think you have the final say?
Quoting what you said just in case you edit you post: "Appears this is where we come to an end with development and rooting. All other g4s have been Rooted on Android m. We just don't have any love for this device. Appears we all messed up when we chose sprint as our carrier. Argh!" with screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/DxsEmvG.png
Not the right way to think, just wait. Have you contributed in anyway to the Sprint LG G4 here on XDA? I sure have with my free hotspot bug (patched on Android M).

I highly doubt Verizon G4 is rooted on m.
In fact I don't think they even have Marshmallow update yet.

what is so appealing in Marshmallow to make one want to upgrade urgently? If you have stable L with root and xposed, why not staying with it. I do not think there is Xposed for M anyways yet, which is the main reason to root this phone.

I am with you. This phone is the most disappointing tech purchase in all my years of existence. I love the camera and removable battery but this phone is just crap and doesn't get much dev love. I beat if the bootloader got unlocked and I can load a true rom on it this phone would be great. I think most of the problems is LG's crappy modifications to android. Every time it get slow, unresponsive, the touch screen lags behind, or a stupid Sprint notification advertisement pops up I want to chuck it against a wall and then jump off a cliff.
I am just using this as a rude awakening to the future. This will most likely be one of the last phones that isn't sealed tight. Guess I need to carry around a clunky battery pack with cable dangling from my pockets instead of a small quick batter swap. Rooting and unlocking the bootloader will become ever more difficult with upcoming phones. The glory days are over I feel

centran said:
I am with you. This phone is the most disappointing tech purchase in all my years of existence. I love the camera and removable battery but this phone is just crap and doesn't get much dev love. I beat if the bootloader got unlocked and I can load a true rom on it this phone would be great. I think most of the problems is LG's crappy modifications to android. Every time it get slow, unresponsive, the touch screen lags behind, or a stupid Sprint notification advertisement pops up I want to chuck it against a wall and then jump off a cliff.
I am just using this as a rude awakening to the future. This will most likely be one of the last phones that isn't sealed tight. Guess I need to carry around a clunky battery pack with cable dangling from my pockets instead of a small quick batter swap. Rooting and unlocking the bootloader will become ever more difficult with upcoming phones. The glory days are over I feel
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I disabled and uninstalled everything I could with sprint software. Haven't had any of their pop ups in months. It seems you bought a phone in one of the bad batches with your lagging screen.
I hate their UI though...

One of the best phones I've had in terms of specs etc. Would be something if I could run CM13 on this one day..
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I don't have Android M on my phone yet....
...so maybe I can keep my hopes up. Sprint didn't give me Marshmallow on my phone. I'm not begging for it either. From what I'm gathering here, you're all good if you're on Lollipop (5.1) Right?

EmSeeMAC said:
I disabled and uninstalled everything I could with sprint software. Haven't had any of their pop ups in months. It seems you bought a phone in one of the bad batches with your lagging screen.
I hate their UI though...
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Yep I had a bad batch phone and it was before Sprint admitted the problem so I sent it to LG. LG fixed my phone but did not replace it. That is probably the big problem. Now I have a phone that is only having lagging problems and since that is subjective and random so not easily repeatable I am screwed.

SeeLaH said:
...so maybe I can keep my hopes up. Sprint didn't give me Marshmallow on my phone. I'm not begging for it either. From what I'm gathering here, you're all good if you're on Lollipop (5.1) Right?
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We do have Marshmallow, but the OTA is taking reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally long.

I just got the notification a few minutes ago for the update. I'm from Michigan and figured I was one of the last places to get it but I guess not. Newho, I've read that there's gonna be more dev work on our g4 but they were waiting for Android m to come out before they focused their energy to cracking the bootloader. Stay patient as the carriers are getting wise to what our devs have been doing and they try to seal up the phone to keep us out. But when there's a will there's a way and it will happen eventually.

Well I'm hoping for ultrapop marshmallow, lol. The phone stock was fine and ultrapop was perfect for me. Would be nice to have cm in this phone but ultrapop was all I really need.
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esloudan said:
Well I'm hoping for ultrapop marshmallow, lol. The phone stock was fine and ultrapop was perfect for me. Would be nice to have cm in this phone but ultrapop was all I really need.
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Don't think that's gonna happen, as MM security is the reason we don't even have systemless root yet. UltraPop relies on changing the system partition, which the Lollipop boot sequence isn't as strong. in MM as soon as the system partition is changed, it causes hashes and whatnot to change, the boot sequence detects the changes and doesn't allow the phone to boot. I think we'll need an unlocked bootloader for UP-type "pseudo-roms"

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Don't think that's gonna happen, as MM security is the reason we don't even have systemless root yet. UltraPop relies on changing the system partition, which the Lollipop boot sequence isn't as strong. in MM as soon as the system partition is changed, it causes hashes and whatnot to change, the boot sequence detects the changes and doesn't allow the phone to boot. I think we'll need an unlocked bootloader for UP-type "pseudo-roms"
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Exactly. I was able to work-around the system partition in ZV6 because LG security only checked for certain files were present. In ZV8, there is LG security checksum for the whole system partition. Since we have a locked bootloader, we can't modify Kernel without tripping the boot security. I am still going to try to get a modified stock ROM working, or maybe mix of ZV6/ZV8, but have not had much time lately.

Roms for our phone? please tell me where roms are at for our phone. i only see 1. that is still stock. ultrapop

Go to the Sprint Fun and Games app and hit the menu button, then settings, then deselect the box Atuomatically install Zone / Fun & Game updates and the notifications boxes. Super disappointed in Sprint for having this.

centran said:
I am with you. This phone is the most disappointing tech purchase in all my years of existence. I love the camera and removable battery but this phone is just crap and doesn't get much dev love. I beat if the bootloader got unlocked and I can load a true rom on it this phone would be great. I think most of the problems is LG's crappy modifications to android. Every time it get slow, unresponsive, the touch screen lags behind, or a stupid Sprint notification advertisement pops up I want to chuck it against a wall and then jump off a cliff.
I am just using this as a rude awakening to the future. This will most likely be one of the last phones that isn't sealed tight. Guess I need to carry around a clunky battery pack with cable dangling from my pockets instead of a small quick batter swap. Rooting and unlocking the bootloader will become ever more difficult with upcoming phones. The glory days are over I feel
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This phone has plenty of "dev love". Some of the best developers are trying their hand at it. There's a huge bounty for unlocking the bootloader, and plenty of people trying to earn it.
The problem is, until one of them (or the part timers like me) stumble across something that works, we're in a holding pattern. We have something stable that works in Android L with root and xposed framework, and until the bootloader issue is solved, that will have to do.
Be patient, OR hit the general Android development section and LEARN. Do it yourself. Grab the bounty. There's plenty of us doing what we can, even as far as hard bricking our devices and getting them replaced by trying methods that work for other devices. I myself am on my second LS991 from trying a method that worked on the kindle fire where you get into fastboot by nuking laf and still haven't had any luck getting a patched bootloader to stick.
So cool off and have some patience. Some people haven't even had the official OTA roll out to their area yet and you're crying that you don't have rooted M? Grow up.

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agentfusion said:
This phone has plenty of "dev love". Some of the best developers are trying their hand at it. There's a huge bounty for unlocking the bootloader, and plenty of people trying to earn it.
The problem is, until one of them (or the part timers like me) stumble across something that works, we're in a holding pattern. We have something stable that works in Android L with root and xposed framework, and until the bootloader issue is solved, that will have to do.
Be patient, OR hit the general Android development section and LEARN. Do it yourself. Grab the bounty. There's plenty of us doing what we can, even as far as hard bricking our devices and getting them replaced by trying methods that work for other devices. I myself am on my second LS991 from trying a method that worked on the kindle fire where you get into fastboot by nuking laf and still haven't had any luck getting a patched bootloader to stick.
So cool off and have some patience. Some people haven't even had the official OTA roll out to their area yet and you're crying that you don't have rooted M? Grow up.
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LG will not be unlocking any other G4's except the Euro H815.
Hello,
Thank you for your interest in LG mobile devices.
Currently, you can only unlock bootloader for LG G4 for the European market with model number H815.
And we have no plan to support bootloader unlocking for H815T.
If there are any changes to the supported devices, we will let you know via our website.
Thank you.
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DaemeonZane said:
LG will not be unlocking any other G4's except the Euro H815.
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And? That doesn't mean they can't be unlocked by other means. It just means LG will not be providing the binary file for oem-unlock via fastboot. Some of us have already gotten limited fastboot access by willingly destroying the laf partition and using a serial USB connection. Right now I'm working on trying to figure out how to get access to other fastboot commands not available in this limited mode, then it's just a matter of creating a reliable semi-automated process so it's accessible to less technical users, and if no one beats me to it; collecting the bounty on a reliable bootloader unlock and ability to flash recovery and make it stick. (Which, to be absolutely honest ... Though I'm not working with anyone else, I would not have gotten *anywhere* without ideas others have bounced around on these forums that helped me make progress when stuck, so I will contact each of them privately to divide half of the bounty between them if I am first to be able to collect it)