So guys, what do you all think ? What are our chances to receive ics from motorola? I would say we got some pretty decent chances since our phone is "Evaluation & Planning" on https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c it could only take a while... But i still believe in it, what are your oppinion guys ? Will we get it after all ?
I highly doubt that the D3 will ever see an official ICS update. We were lucky to get .906 to be honest. The closest thing we will get is CM9 and AOKP. But hey, there's always that little glimmer of chance though.
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m4nu4l said:
So guys, what do you all think ? What are our chances to receive ics from motorola? I would say we got some pretty decent chances since our phone is "Evaluation & Planning" on https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c it could only take a while... But i still believe in it, what are your oppinion guys ? Will we get it after all ?
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I think we will get it... Probably not until December or something crazy like that. They probably won't make an announcement until July or Aug as to which phones will receive it.
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Im being optimistic about the update too, Droid 3 is powerful enough to run the ICS smoothly... Why shouldnt they do it ?
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Im being optimistic about the update too, Droid 3 is powerful enough to run the ICS smoothly... Why shouldnt they do it ?
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I think Verizon won't allow the D3 to be updated. They are focusing more on 4G LTE devices as well as devices that have at least 1 Gig of ram. Since the D3 has neither, I doubt that we will see ICS officially released from Verizon.
Most of the devices in the market today have 512ram and are running ICS Smoothly.. Officialy.
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Most of the devices in the market today have 512ram and are running ICS Smoothly.. Officialy.
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But do those devices have heavy bloatware and a heavy custom UI like MotoBlur running on them? These are things that you have to take into consideration. There's still hope for an official ICS update, but I just don't see it happening.
Our phone runs just fine without them. All we need is hardware codecs and the big stuff with ICS will be pretty much done.
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MrObvious said:
Our phone runs just fine without them. All we need is hardware codecs and the big stuff with ICS will be pretty much done.
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Im' awaare, but an official release of ICS would have the bloat and custom UI.
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Im' awaare, but an official release of ICS would have the bloat and custom UI.
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and no one on XDA ever created a rom based on "official" updates without removing bloat or UI?
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and no one on XDA ever created a rom based on "official" updates without removing bloat or UI?
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I'm not talking about custom roms like CM9 or AOKP. I am talking about a stock ICS rom from Motorola and Verizon for the D3. An official update. I am simply stating that since the D3 has no 4G LTE and only 512 mb of ram, Verizon and Motorola most likely won't bother updating it to ICS. Also, being that it has 512 mb of ram, ICS, along with all of Verizon's bloat and Motorola's custom UI, won't run as smoothly as a custom rom.
Isn't there a internal moto dev version of ics that supposedly ran beautifully? thought I remembered reading about that a while ago.
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Heres an email i received from Motorola support.
Dear Vytautas,
Thanks for reaching out to Motorola. I’ve reviewed your e-mail and I’m ready to help.
We do understand that you are excited with the latest Android Ice Cream Sandwich update and we are very sorry for the inconvenience. However, at this time, we do not have any further details, yet, if the Droid 3 will be updated to Ice Cream Sandwich.
As soon as we have the information, it will be shared to all users. Do not worry, your concern has already been noted.
We hope that you find this information useful and we look forward to assisting you in the future.
For information about Motorola products and services, please visit us at http://www.motorola.com/
Thank you for contacting Motorola e-mail support.
Best Regards,
Brian
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I think that support guy knows something, but he just cant tell anything... Do not worry, your concern has already been noted. This fraze makes me think about that...
I've got a feeling Moto will be working on D3/Milestone3/XT883 or whatever its called and possibly release the files for ours or similar devices, but the sticking point will be Verizon.
Shouldn't matter if the other carriers/similar devices get ICS, Id guess porting what we'd need wouldn't be a problem then
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I think Verizon won't allow the D3 to be updated. They are focusing more on 4G LTE devices as well as devices that have at least 1 Gig of ram. Since the D3 has neither, I doubt that we will see ICS officially released from Verizon.
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An HTC Droid Incredible 2 update has already been announced, so it's not that. (The DInc 2 has 768 MB of RAM; perhaps that is enough to make a difference? I doubt it, though.)
It's probably 50/50. Clearly Moto will focus on getting the Razrs, Bionic and Droid 4 updated before they move on to other phones. The D3 seems a natural upgrade - unlike the X2, it has the same processor as those other phones; it's basically a Bionic with a keyboard, no LTE, "world phone" capability and half the RAM. Is that enough to make it a difficult upgrade? I guess we'll know when we know.
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Heres an email i received from Motorola support.
I think that support guy knows something, but he just cant tell anything... Do not worry, your concern has already been noted. This fraze makes me think about that...
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Being the downer I am, I feel like he meant to say "SHUT UP ALREADY! We know you want ICS! We just like watching you all squirm!"
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So, today I got bored and decided to pick Moto's brains a bit about this topic. (Yes, this is what I did with my free time today.)
I got slightly off topic myself do to his ignorance, but in the end it went well I'd say... You can pretty much skip to the last 5 or so lines.
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Rez: Hi, my name is Rez. How may I help you?
Me: I just have a question about the Droid 3 getting Andorid 4.0. I see that older devices (from other companies) with less powerful internals are scheduled to receive an ICS update. Is it likely that the D3 will receive 4.0?
Rez: That's a good question, Redsox985. Let me check that out for you.
Me: Thanks.
Rez: Thank you for waiting, Redsox985.
Rez: I can see that the ICS update for Droid 3 is under evaluation and planning. We will keep you posted thru our website for updates.
Rez: https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Me: What does "evaluation and planning" mean? Can you say if it'll happen or not based on this?
Rez: We are waiting for information about the update, Redsox985. It is pending. It should pushed thru since we send updates to most of the Motorola
smartphones from time to time.
Me: Also, I know that independent developers have made a handful of ROMs built from source that run smoothly on the D3. Is it a matter of if the phone can run ICS or is its age an issue?
Rez: Are you referring to a different software for Droid 3 or get the phone rooted, is that what you mean?
Me: Yes, by rooting, you can flash independently built ICS rom's from android source. They run on the phone, but some issues exist between the gingerbread kernel (locked boot loader) and ICS features like hardware acceleration, video camera, and flash.
Me: Adobe flash that is.
Rez: The problem later is the phone will not be able to receive updates once the phone is rooted.
Me: It can be unrooted and restored back to stock software with an SBF.
Rez: It can be unrooted but the updates will not work anymore.
Me: I just did it. I was running 5.6.890 rooted with an open source ICS rom. The 5.7.906 update had started to be pushed OTA. I ran RSD Lite and restored the phone to box stock 5.6.890. I then accepted and installed the OTA. Then re-rooted it.
Rez: It may be working for now but we don't the after-effect of it. I have that case earlier that his phone was rooted before. After trying to unroot it, the phone will not boot up. He's trying to update the phone but it cannot be updated anymore since the phone is not on. suggested to send it to our repair center but I set an expectation to him that it will be considered to be out of warranty already.
Me: RSD Lite will flash all partitions of the phone (radio, system, etc.) back to box stock as if it was purchased new.
Rez: That's a good experiment, Redsox985. How do you want me to help you with that?
Me: It's not an experiment. It works. I just used it. It unrooted my phone and flashed all partitions allowing me to accept the latest OTA.
Me: If I'm able to return to the OTA path, then how could receiving an ICS update (if one even comes) be any different?
Rez: ICS has not yet been announced, we don't have the list of enhancements yet what are included on the ICS. We don't have the information also what will not work once the ICS is installed on the phone that was rooted. We will keep you posted thru our website at www.motorola com for updates.
Me: It can be unrooted and restored to stock software to the point where an OTA will not be able to detect anything different. It's possible to flash box stock software to the phone. It rewrites all partitions.
Rez: I see. That's a good idea.
Me: So, can you speak on the likelihood of the D3 receiving official ICS? It can run it, it's been done. Why won't Moto even consider it?
Rez: We are following what's being updated to us. As I mentioned earlier the ICS update for Droid 3 is under evaluation and planning. If you have successfully done it by rooting, it's not from us.
Me: I know it's not official, I'm just wondering why it hasn't been done being that it's possible.
Rez: Because we are working on updates thoroughly. We don't want that we just send out updates with glitches.
Me: So, ICS for the D3 is being worked on?
Rez: Yes. That's part of evaluation.
Me: But it's possible that the update will just be killed internally before it ever is released?
Rez: I cant say that unless it happens. I don't want to give any false hopes. Because we are also waiting for that update.
Me: Can you estimate the D3's chances of receiving ICS?
Rez: 90 per cent it will receive it.
Me: Wow. I'm impressed. Thanks.
Me: Is that a hopeful or conservative estimate?
Rez: Hopeful.
Lolz I think you know more about the phone then your rep did
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Endoroid said:
Lolz I think you know more about the phone then your rep did
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Undoubtedly. But he has the internal update info I don't. So I dealt with his stupidity and kept pressing.
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Motorola europe just announced the official Froyo for our milestone at facebook.
Motorola Europe
Many of you have asked again for an update on the FroYo upgrade for Milestone, so we wanted to let you know that we have now entered the operator testing phase. We will give you more information as soon as we can.
I wonder why GOT´s leak hasn´t been updated while motorola devs work on the image ?
Fantastic news! Thank you!
Yeah...Proper Flash on the MS finally.... Hope it comes out soon
Great news...Was waiting for this for a lot of time...Now the developer can focus on the official to make the best 2.2 roms
i wonder how much they've fixed up the final kernel.
really an exciting news!!!
Hope flash video can be played properly on the final version
And the next post
Motorola Europe
Good news. We can confirm that Flash will be part of the FroYo upgrade, we have now entered the operator testing phase of our FroYo testing schedule. This update is still going ahead and we will continue to keep you informed of further developments
för 16 timmar sedan ·
Here is the pictures from facebook too
Yeah!!! Can't wait to see official custom ROMs!!!
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Read This:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/community/manager/softwareupgrades
European Milestone Update Rollout in Q4
http://www.facebook.com/motorolaeurope
No info for carrier froyo rollout mate
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I wonder why GOT´s leak hasn´t been updated while motorola devs work on the image ?
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you might think about where nadlabak got his newer leaked kernels from....just an idea
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Great news...Was waiting for this for a lot of time...Now the developer can focus on the official to make the best 2.2 roms
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suddenly i feel this is the best thing of the whole world
thx for our devs 4 the wonderful works
cant find a way to express my,our ,er,i dont know,maybe someone may add
so when they will release this ...? we are waiting already for so long....next time I don't think I will buy again a Motorola...
Who cares about the build Motorola is giving us. We just want the kernel, kernel libs, and prop. files anyhow oh yeah and kernel sources..
Ah and ofc unlocked bootloader!!
I Don't care, as this will be my last Moto, will change to HTC/Samsung before x'mas
What I don't get is why it takes Moto so damn long to give us the exact same thing that Verizon Droid customers got in July-August!!
chambo622 said:
What I don't get is why it takes Moto so damn long to give us the exact same thing that Verizon Droid customers got in July-August!!
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You should delete this post because actually, its not the same thing.
greglord said:
You should delete this post because actually, its not the same thing.
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yeah, but it kind of is. Same software, different drivers. And the reality seems to be to me (Sorry if I'm wrong) that the software can be ported easily from one to the other, and the 2.1 drivers and bootloader just need to be updated for the 2.2 os and kernel.
Call me a conspiracy theorist - but I still think that Moto's dragging their feet because the Milestone 2 is almost exactly the same phone as the Milestone - it just has 2.2, which, conveniently Milestone owners can't upgrade to themselves.
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yeah, but it kind of is. Same software, different drivers. And the reality seems to be to me (Sorry if I'm wrong) that the software can be ported easily from one to the other, and the 2.1 drivers and bootloader just need to be updated for the 2.2 os and kernel.
Call me a conspiracy theorist - but I still think that Moto's dragging their feet because the Milestone 2 is almost exactly the same phone as the Milestone - it just has 2.2, which, conveniently Milestone owners can't upgrade to themselves.
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i agree on this.
chambo622 said:
What I don't get is why it takes Moto so damn long to give us the exact same thing that Verizon Droid customers got in July-August!!
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The reason is : they want you buy a milestone 2 instead of upgrade your os.
....and Droid 3 is missing. Could still be coming down the pipeline, but it looks like we are out of luck for the first wave (not that surprising).
http://news.verizonwireless.com/news/2012/03/bl2012-03-06.html
I know I have forwarded this theory before - but at first glance, the list does only have devices (among all manufacturers) that are well over 512MB of RAM - I think Dinc2 is the lowest at 768MB. I may be wrong - don't have all specs memorized.
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I know I have forwarded this theory before - but at first glance, the list does only have devices (among all manufacturers) that are well over 512MB of RAM - I think Dinc2 is the lowest at 768MB. I may be wrong - don't have all specs memorized.
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It's because the people at motorola that make these decisions don't even know what RAM is and haven't even heard of kernel or XDA-forums.
They think... Hm..1024 is more than 512.. lets not give 512 mb phones ICS.
If they'd at least unlock the damn bootloaders so people like hashcode can do it for them ffs
Part of me wants to never buy another motorola device, but this keyboard is just too nice. Motorola does a good job on the hardware but between the bloatware and the locked bootloader the software part can be disappointing. So we have an os released less than 6 months after our device was released and motorola basically says screw you. Verizon is just the messenger here.
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Some of those phones are almost the same hardware as the droid 3 so I'm hoping that those vzw roms can at least be reverse engineered to figure out what's still missing in the cm9 alpha, like the camera.
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I want the hardware acceleration front facing camera and face unlock.... then I will jump ship from stock on my xt860.
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Reporting the full Motorola update schedule site: https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
interesting that bionic and d4 are still listed as evaluating. But even in best case, that droid 3 is only left out of the ics fun for the first rollout (vzw does say more updates are coming, and droid 2 did get updates almost 2 years after release), it looks like it will be a while - even some brand new devices that were in the vzw press release are scheduled for q3...
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Part of me wants to never buy another motorola device
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Our only hope is the Google takeover of Moto will change their bootloader policy. This then, I can't bring myself to buy another Moto phone.
By the time it comes to the Droid 3, it will be upgrade time...
Droid 3 is one of the best phones with android and qwerty and motorola dont plan to update to ICS?? Motorola in software decisions sucks!!! They never listened to the users
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Some of those phones are almost the same hardware as the droid 3 so I'm hoping that those vzw roms can at least be reverse engineered to figure out what's still missing in the cm9 alpha, like the camera.
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The big constraint is going to be the locked bootloader.
It don't mean that droid 3 will never has ICS... just it not going to be on this first group... I'm sure in a couple of months we will see it on the list.
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It don't mean that droid 3 will never has ICS... just it not going to be on this first group... I'm sure in a couple of months we will see it on the list.
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Well if they wait much longer:
A) people have upgraded to a newer phone
B) all people who actually care about having ICS rather than gingerbread already use hashcode's ICS
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Well if they wait much longer:
A) people have upgraded to a newer phone
B) all people who actually care about having ICS rather than gingerbread already use hashcode's ICS
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I think that in Q1 of 2013 we might have an oficial ICS support, i don't believe sonner than that...
First it's motorola who decide, if our droid 3 can have ICS, then VZW if it will have.
Motorola should still be evaluating if ICS will going to run fine on our Droid 3 and if it's they will update his "ICS Update Schedule" and VZW his own.
Cya
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I think that in Q1 of 2013 we will have an oficial ICS support, i don't believe sonner than that...
First it's motorola who decide, if our droid 3 can have ICS, then VZW if it will have.
Motorola should still be evaluating if ICS will going to run fine on our Droid 3 and if it's they will update his "ICS Update Schedule" and VZW his own.
Cya
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Well I don't think it'll take hashcode 'nd crew 1 year to fix hw codecs/video recording and some bug fixes
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Well I don't think it'll take hashcode 'nd crew 1 year to fix hw codecs/video recording and some bug fixes
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Neither myself, I just talking about an Oficial ICS support by Motorola...so cheers to Hashcode!
This is a copy and paste of the email i received with identifying information removed. other then that it is un altered except for the part i underlined
We have not heard from you concerning your request for support in the 48 hours since we sent you a response. Consequently, we have changed the status of your question to SOLVED.
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03/11/2012 05:38 PM
Dear "",
Thanks for reaching out to Motorola. I’ve reviewed your e-mail and I’m ready to help.
We do apologize for the inconvenience. Regarding your concerns, Motorola's primary focus is the security of our end users and protection of their data, while also meeting carrier, partner and legal requirements. The Droid Bionic and a majority of Android consumer devices on the market today have a secured bootloader.
In reference specifically to eFuse, the technology is not loaded with the purpose of preventing a consumer device from functioning, but rather ensuring for the user that the device only runs on updated and tested versions of software. If a device attempts to boot with unapproved software, it will go into recovery mode, and can re-boot once approved software is re-installed. Checking for a valid software configuration is a common practice within the industry to protect the user against potential malicious software threats. Motorola has been a long time advocate of open platforms and provides a number of resources to developers to foster the ecosystem including tools and access to devices for developers via Motodev at http://developer.motorola.com.
For the Android 4.0, at this time, we do not have any information if the phone will be updated to Android 4.0.
With your data connectivity concerns, please provide us with the following information so that we can assist you better.
1. Serial number of your device. On the phone's home screen go to Settings > About phone > Status > IMEI number.
You may also follow the link below on how to locate the serial number of your device.
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/utils/guided_assistant/g_id/446
2. Software version of the phone.
On the phone's home screen go to Settings > About phone > System version
3. Your Contact number.
We hope that you find this information useful and we look forward to assisting you in the future.
For information about Motorola products and services, please visit us at http://www.motorola.com/
Thank you for contacting Motorola e-mail support.
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03/09/2012 11:57 AM
Why didn't you unlock the Bionic's Bootloader with the last update. You have promised to make motorola's bootloaders unlockable. I started my cell phone adventure with motorola. I have had other phones also, Nokia, HTC, LG. But I wanted to go back to my roots and go back to motorla. Now I see that was a mistake. I had the original droid for my first android phone. Then I went to the HTC Droid Eris, HTC Droid Incredible, Samsung Fascinate, and now your piece of crap Droid Bionic. I have never had a phone that was so flawed. Not to mention you released the Razr just a couple months after the Bionic. I am now screwed. I have a worthless phone that still drops data even after you put out an update that was supposed to fix that issue for the next 2 years. I am going to be forced to return to HTC for my cellular needs. And in the process of changing over I will have to now spend over $500 Because of your locked bootloader, I now cannot make the modifications needed to make the phone useable for my needs and also I cannot fix your mistakes in the programming to make the phone stable. Now for my last question / segustion. Since the RAZR has been released, I know you will not make putting android 4.0 on the Bionic a priority. When will you be releasing the android 4.0 update for the Bionic?? Also, when you do, if you do finally release android 4.0 for the Bionic I segust that you make the bootloader unlockable. This way I am no longer restricted and forced to use your flawed software. Google's Android OS is a Open Source Project. Who are you to close it and restrict its usage and capabilities. In doing so you have forced the public to use a piece of equipment that is flawed with no way or means of correcting the issues.
To be honest, I cannot believe that Google has not reamed your asses and filed law suits against the companies that lock their bootloaders and do not offer a way to unlock. Even if it voids the manufacture warranty the option should still be there. Android is Open Source and why do you have the right to restrict it?!
To sum this up.
1: I want an explanation on your bootloader and I want it unlocked. (Believe me I am not the only one)
2: When will Android 4.0 be released on the Bionic?
3: Statement: I am about to leave Motorola for good. I have had the worst experience ever with this phone and I am now on my third phone which is on its way just because you cannot fix your Data Drop issue. I require a reliable phone for work and this phone has been all but that.
Thank You
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I'm not really sure how "we do not have any information" qualifies as confirming anything.
This is the link for their ICS upgrade schedule:
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
If you read the descriptions for each stage, they state that the early stage does not guarantee an update. The comment in the response email was a carefully prepared legal statement to avoid hinting at anything.
I would be surprised if we don't see an ICS update, though it's always possible that it wont happen.
For the Android 4.0, we do not have any information if the phone will be upgraded at this time.
In that statement they used if instead of when. That says to me that they promised ics and advertised the phone as ics upgradeable and now don't know if they are going to do it or not. The key word in this is if. If and when are 2 totally different words. The original question was when and they comeback with ( no info if phone will be upgraded.) It raises questions.
Side note: they advertise a phone as ics upgradeable, but once you buy it you find out that its not even available to download. One must wait and hope and prey that their device is not forgotten about because in just 3 months time a newer phone has been released. I'm not new to smartphones or rooting or roms. I know I have to wait before I even buy the phone but the general public that just uses phones and has no idea what rooting is has no idea that they are going to have to wait for the upgrade and have to worry that they will even get the upgrade. Bad advertising and miss leading I say. (Rant Over)
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Im pretty sure they will release ICS for Bionic. I mean all the newer Motorola Devices (I.E RAZR, Droid 4, Xyboard) run essentially the same hardware in different form, the Omap 4430. Assuming those phones get 4.0 then so should Bionic :s
Ask them this: What percent of revenue does each new Android product represent?
Then imagine what it would be like to reduce their earnings by the lose of one of those products such as the Bionic.
It all about the money!
Motorola's customer service has often said things contrary to the truth. Since the site still says an update is on the way, I tend to believe the site.
All there website says is evaulation and planning.. That does not mean much. It could stay evaluation and planning for the next year. How long does it honestly take to evaluate and plan? No developing stage yet? Wow... Look at the developers that are building ROMs across the spectrum for various phones and brands and yet Motorola can't even get a grip just on there own phones... stepping off my soapbox.
Quoting directly from the link provided to the Motorola site: "As previously communicated, DROID RAZR, DROID RAZR MAXX, DROID 4, DROID BIONIC, DROID XYBOARD 8.2 and 10.1, and MOTOROLA XOOM WiFI + 3G/4G will be upgraded to ICS. Additional details on timing for these products will be shared at a later date."
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Since I purchased this phone SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE it was advertised as it would be getting a version of ics 4.0, they will have to refund my money so I can get a phone that does run ics. It was critical to my purchase decision.
Do I hear a class action coming if they don't?
Personally I think they will release an ics upgrade as they have said and continue to say. Probably 2nd quarter this year. Development of mass stability is VERY difficult.
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Well I don't know if you guys/gals saw, but there was a leaked screenshot from a Best buy computer that shows the Razr and the Maxx receiving its ICS on the 4th of April. This was also confirmed by several emails that went out from Verizon stating there was going to be a software upgrade soon. Its typical they update the new phone first, but maybe its a sign we will get our update soon.
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Ya I saw it. Still not the bionic. If we get it I say it will be Oct or Nov before the bionic gets it and that's if it gets it.
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I think we'll get it, but definitely not anytime soon.
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Glad I've been running ICS for a couple months
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Glad I've been running ICS for a couple months
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How's that running? I've heard there's a lot of bug in CM9 on the Bionic. That's why I went to Eclipse instead.
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Glad I've been running ICS for a couple months
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It's not fully-functioning ICS, and you have no video camera, no hw accel, half the games probably don't work right, etc.
I bet the devs we have would be able to port the RAZRs ICS to Bionic faster than Moto could develop it....
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It's not fully-functioning ICS, and you have no video camera, no hw accel, half the games probably don't work right, etc.
I bet the devs we have would be able to port the RAZRs ICS to Bionic faster than Moto could develop it....
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For me, I don't play games on my phone and since I work in film/TV, I don't shoot video with my phone either. What I do have is everything else, rock solid data and stable wifi. I haven't gone to my unsafe side since mid-Feb. My point was, you can have a very usable version now and, with the release of the official and full RAZR version, we will have a complete version for our Bionics, whether moto releases one or not.
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The Bionic is definitely getting the ICS update, just don't know when. I spoke to my cousin when I switched to Verizon to get some info on some phones since he's a developer for Motorola. He was able to get me a Bionic and told me that it will definitely get ICS. He just doesn't have a date for it since right now he's testing ICS on the Razr Maxx.
The list of Verizon and Moto ICS updates has been reviewed and revised a couple times, Bionic making the cut each time. I see it definitely getting the update. As far as Razr and Bionic go theres not a significant difference in source, which helps the Bionic out a lot when it comes to ICS
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Android Police article
Not that most people here are really bothered since you use the custom ROMs, but now this means there will be an official Jelly Bean template to make a sweet CM JB ROM off of.
Hopefully they won't cancel the upgrade.
Do you think we will get 4.1 after 4.2 is released?
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Prob 4.1
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I don't trust moto.
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I don't trust moto.
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Agreed. They might keep their promise, but most likely release 4.1 long after 4.2 is already out.
IMO they need to quit bowing to the carriers. Make their handsets according to the original principles of the Open Handset Alliance - fully open source, fully unlocked. If the carriers don't like it, tough, let them make their own damn locked phones. After enough consumers get burned by the lock-in, they'll all start choosing unlocked phones.
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Agreed. They might keep their promise, but most likely release 4.1 long after 4.2 is already out.
IMO they need to quit bowing to the carriers. Make their handsets according to the original principles of the Open Handset Alliance - fully open source, fully unlocked. If the carriers don't like it, tough, let them make their own damn locked phones. After enough consumers get burned by the lock-in, they'll all start choosing unlocked phones.
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I ordered already other device, not sure if I'll 100% move to it, but I plan to get rid of moto after that happened with my previous device motorola photon. I couldn't wait more and decided to try droid 4. After this politics I plan to go out of moto once I'll find good device. Hope, that found already.
I'm posting this from a D4 on Jellybeans but I'm still glad to hear this. I think it will go a long way towards making people feel they can trust Motorola again, which as we can see from a few other posts here many people do not.
The real question in my mind is, what will come first, the DROID 5 or the official JB upgrade? What I want to see are updates the drop shortly after AOSP does, not a year later...
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Motorola says that the Droid 4 will get jb some time next year. I'm sure it will be around the same time the five comes out. The sad thing is that the five will probably just be a razr m with a keyboard ):
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Motorola says that the Droid 4 will get jb some time next year. I'm sure it will be around the same time the five comes out. The sad thing is that the five will probably just be a razr m with a keyboard ):
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At this point I would be happy with that. 4.3 in screen + S4 (AKA the Photon Q)= fine with me.
The main Droid line, like nexus, was supposed to stand for quality and top of the line specs not this last years tech and rebranded bs that it is now. The keyboard is the only thing the series has going for it
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now they're claiming droid 4 *might* get 4.2.2 in q3 or q4 2013
I wonder if the old cheesecake method would work if Motorola does start working on official Jellybean updates.
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I don't even care about the JB update at this point, with the JB ROM's we have already working near perfectly
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The main Droid line, like nexus, was supposed to stand for quality and top of the line specs not this last years tech and rebranded bs that it is now. The keyboard is the only thing the series has going for it
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I'd ditch moto in a heartbeat if there was another phone with a physical keyboard. Too bad there'll never be a nexus with a keyboard.
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I don't even care about the JB update at this point, with the JB ROM's we have already working near perfectly
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I don't mean to change the subject but which ROM are you using? The cyanogen 10 has no camera, Bluetooth issues, and crashes (not that I'm complaining, I'm grateful to even have it), but I thought that was pretty much the situation for all of them at the moment?
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now they're claiming droid 4 *might* get 4.2.2 in q3 or q4 2013
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where did you read that?
I'd be more than satisfied to get 4.1 in Q1 of next year.
ovelayer said:
where did you read that?
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It's been around for a while at http://www.droidforums.net/forum/dr...2-2-key-lime-pie-upgrade-timeline-razr-x.html
Cheers,
Steve.
Droid 4: Authorized/Subject to change Reason: Support time frame may not support 4.2.2 estimated push date early Q3 2013
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To me that says we are going to get it just the release date may change
I get it never mind y'all were saying the same thing lol dang Ishould have been blonde..
So we are getting 4.2 but release date may change..got it
Thanks guys
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Droid 4: Authorized/Subject to change Reason: Support time frame may not support 4.2.2 estimated push date early Q3 2013
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To me that says we are going to get it just the release date may change
I get it never mind y'all were saying the same thing lol dang Ishould have been blonde..
So we are getting 4.2 but release date may change..got it
Thanks guys
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I'm pretty sure this article was labeled as untrue rumor. Android 4.2.2 won't be a the next codename of android. I'm pretty sure we will be getting JB 4.1 since that's what Moto promised to us earlier this year. Honestly, I don't think any devices with less than 2GB will get Android 4.2 other than stock Android devices.
It's been a good run the the D4, I'm pretty happy with CM10 on here right now, much less bloated! I just miss the power off animation (CRT)...
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It's officially official...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/12/06/motorola-updates-android-software-upgrade-page/
We already knew due to the soak announcement, but it's good to hear it from the horses mouth!
Deep rooted in the mAtrix HD...
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I hope it lives to see a couple more updates.
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Assuming the soak test hasn't started and they run for a week, that probably means mid to late December, but still by the end of 2012 like they originally promised.
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I'll take it whenever! I've been too paranoid to load the leak, and I'm an SS3 N00B so preserving root with voodoo (maybe) and installing the OTA is fine with me! I'm pretty cool with no root for a little while anyways, I'm sure someone will find an exploit in the JB framework...
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Assuming the soak test hasn't started and they run for a week, that probably means mid to late December, but still by the end of 2012 like they originally promised.
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Yes i'm VERY Happy to see I will be seeing Jelly Bean before the end of the year. I think AFTER that is when i'll think about rooting the phone so I can get rid of all the damn AT&T bloatware on there.
I am pretty computer savvy and i've built several of my own computers over the years but the thought of rooting the phone kind of intimidates me because I know almost NOTHING about the process and I still as yet have to see a clear thread that says "This is how you do it, This is how you undo it" in case something goes wrong with the phone that's not software related and it needs to be returned or whatnot.
Also there are alot of threads about custom rom versions but they say you need to have the "base" 4.1.1 version first which again i'm a bit lost at trying to sift thru all the forum posts to find. Heh.
P.S. Annnnnndddd...i'm a retard. Somehow right after I made this post when it went back to the post list page for this forum now right there in my face is a post titled "Jellybean rom leak - step by step guide for updating" LMAO.
I do have a more pertinent question of someone with some know how here though also. I saw that Moto has started selling the developer version of this phone which i'm assuming has an unlocked bootloader as from what I understand that is kind of the point of the developer version. So I am curious, once someone has this developer phone will that make it easier for someone to develop something that is easier/faster/more stable to root for us poor schmucks who can't afford the 400+ duckets this phone is costing and also since we already have the phone to begin with?
RangerVegas said:
Yes i'm VERY Happy to see I will be seeing Jelly Bean before the end of the year. I think AFTER that is when i'll think about rooting the phone so I can get rid of all the damn AT&T bloatware on there.
I am pretty computer savvy and i've built several of my own computers over the years but the thought of rooting the phone kind of intimidates me because I know almost NOTHING about the process and I still as yet have to see a clear thread that says "This is how you do it, This is how you undo it" in case something goes wrong with the phone that's not software related and it needs to be returned or whatnot.
Also there are alot of threads about custom rom versions but they say you need to have the "base" 4.1.1 version first which again i'm a bit lost at trying to sift thru all the forum posts to find. Heh.
P.S. Annnnnndddd...i'm a retard. Somehow right after I made this post when it went back to the post list page for this forum now right there in my face is a post titled "Jellybean rom leak - step by step guide for updating" LMAO.
I do have a more pertinent question of someone with some know how here though also. I saw that Moto has started selling the developer version of this phone which i'm assuming has an unlocked bootloader as from what I understand that is kind of the point of the developer version. So I am curious, once someone has this developer phone will that make it easier for someone to develop something that is easier/faster/more stable to root for us poor schmucks who can't afford the 400+ duckets this phone is costing and also since we already have the phone to begin with?
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We will be hard pressed to find someone who will buy the dev edition when there are better phones for cheaper prices and more development.
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We will be hard pressed to find someone who will buy the dev edition when there are better phones for cheaper prices and more development.
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Yea which is kind of sad considering. I mean it seems to me the only really bad thing about this phone i've found from using it is the lack of much user ROM and the stupid low Mah battery they put in it when the one from the Maxx will fit almost equally as well, and would have fit perfectly if the phone had been developed around it. <sigh>
It seems from the # of forum posts that the Galaxy S III is pretty much "THE" phone to have. I have a friend who just got one a month after I got my Atrix and she likes it well enough, but I can't understand what idiot at samsung decided it was a good idea to leave out USB Mass Storage on the thing, although i've heard that's getting officialy fixed, or may have been already since I don't really follow that phone.
The phone I upgraded from was an old Samsung with a physical slide out keyboard before the android days and the thing was junk to me, about all it was good for was texting because my fat fingers worked well with the physical keys. But almost all the apps on it were useless junk and alot never even ran. So i'm kind of burned out on Samsung right now.
I've been in computers for years and have learned to trust Motorola for reliability and stability and while their products have not always been hugely inspired or innovative, they have always been reliable to me.
I had thought I saw one of the people who seemed to be doing development for this phone in a message say they already had a developer phone on order or whatnot. But maybe it was just my wishful thinking. In any case I hope this phone dosnt die some slow horrible death in here just because it's not as bright and shiny and full of awesomeness as some other phones out now. Once the Jellybean update officially comes out for the phone hopefully there will still be good people in here who can easily make the phone rootable and that will pretty much be good for me for the 2 years till AT&T says I can get the next shiny new toy out then. LOL. Custom roms are nice but i'm mostly interested in being able to get rid of all the AT&T crapware in the phone because it's pretty much just useless spacewaste to me.
Itll come out December 31st
Will I get the update with a Straight Talk sim in my phone?
Visa Declined said:
Will I get the update with a Straight Talk sim in my phone?
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The SIM in your phone won't affect you getting updates.
I was disappointed when I saw Bell wouldn't get it until Q1 '13. I have a Bell Atrix HD, but I use it on T-mobile. Could someone explain to me why an AT&T ROM would brick the phone? I don't get it.
What do you guys think it will be? 4.2 or 4.2.1?
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we're probably never going to get 4.2.
capran said:
I was disappointed when I saw Bell wouldn't get it until Q1 '13. I have a Bell Atrix HD, but I use it on T-mobile. Could someone explain to me why an AT&T ROM would brick the phone? I don't get it.
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We ran into this problem over at the A2 forum. Hardware is all the same, so to speak. But the firmware is slightly different. I guess it would be like comparing windows XP vs windows 7?......or maybe that's a bad example.
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matt99017d said:
We ran into this problem over at the A2 forum. Hardware is all the same, so to speak. But the firmware is slightly different. I guess it would be like comparing windows XP vs windows 7?......or maybe that's a bad example.
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Bad example
If you have a locked bootloader each partition is signature checked for your device and region/carrier. Bell files will brick ATT phones and vice versa thanks to locked bootloaders.
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I'll take it whenever! I've been too paranoid to load the leak, and I'm an SS3 N00B so preserving root with voodoo (maybe) and installing the OTA is fine with me! I'm pretty cool with no root for a little while anyways, I'm sure someone will find an exploit in the JB framework...
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Are you sure you will be able to retain root with the update? What method did you use to root in the first place by the way?
Thanks.
mattlgroff said:
Bad example
If you have a locked bootloader each partition is signature checked for your device and region/carrier. Bell files will brick ATT phones and vice versa thanks to locked bootloaders.
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I thought we had finally unlocked the bootloader?? Man, this Android business is complex.
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I thought we had finally unlocked the bootloader?? Man, this Android business is complex.
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Since the Atrix 4G-era no Motorolas have gotten bootloader unlocks if they were meant to stay locked.
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Blue Bell said:
Are you sure you will be able to retain root with the update? What method did you use to root in the first place by the way?
Thanks.
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I really can't speak to the OTA, but I've read that those who installed the JB leak had success with Voodoo Root Keeper. It worked for me when the RAZR got ICS finally... I am just assuming that it will work when we get the OTA.
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I really can't speak to the OTA, but I've read that those who installed the JB leak had success with Voodoo Root Keeper. It worked for me when the RAZR got ICS finally... I am just assuming that it will work when we get the OTA.
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Thanks, is it this one? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.projectvoodoo.otarootkeeper
So it would have a better chance of retaining root with the OTA than SuperSU Premium?
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Since the Atrix 4G-era no Motorolas have gotten bootloader unlocks if they were meant to stay locked.
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I saw on your other thread where you tested the various methods to root the Atrix HD that you mentioned rooting might take you off the OTA path. Do you mean to say that if I use motofail2go to root the phone, there is a chance that I may not be able to get the OTA update to JB when it rolls out?
Thanks.