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Development is going to be good!

Alot of Developers have bought this phone!! development for Xperia T / TX and V is going to be good! so far we have 2 elite developers 2 recog developers,, correct me if i am wrong

FXP have 4 members
Bin4ry, Defer, Kali, Jerpelea

Codeworkx!
Tilal6991 too for paranoid android

Gok for kernel is gonna be beast.

Lol @ 4. Good start but not exactly a lot. Yet.
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Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.

Snow_fox said:
Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.
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well this is my first sony device, but looks promising, if sony stays open and doesn't screw up like samsung did, even if they are on updates, we'll have CM team for regural updates. actually, i hope this is first device i'll have for more than a year.
we'll see.
Sent from my Xperia T

Snow_fox said:
Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.
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Support is looking good for devs to get started and this can be seen from the speed CM10 has become available and is progressing on this device. I don't see the lack of activity in this forum as a bad thing and for a dev it's a good thing because they're not hassled every 2 mins with the same repeated support questions or for ETA's (don't do it ). Devs don't choose devices because they're popular, they choose them because they're good to work on and because they personally like the device as remember this is a hobby after all. I for one, if I do get this phone will hope for it to remain as one of the quieter forums but once people start finishing their contracts I can see it attracting a number of people. I finish mine end of this month so that's when I'll be choosing but that choice is based on how easy it'll be to work with as I like to have a play with compiling myself but only for myself really.

I actually chose this device precisely hoping that it wouldn't become too popular. It becomes crazy when people start almost harassing you for a release.
With a less popular device its much more fun.

^aha your right
hello developer!

i think xperia t will get popular because it is the bond phone and the tx looks great in terms of design so it will get popular

Snow_fox said:
Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.
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TL developer support is going to highly depend on the bootloader locking situation.
As I understand it, AT&T has a bad habit of forcing bootloader locks. I refuse to support any device that has a locked bootloader which is not officially unlockable - even if the lock gets broken unofficially, it's the principle of the thing.
tilal6991 said:
I actually chose this device precisely hoping that it wouldn't become too popular. It becomes crazy when people start almost harassing you for a release.
With a less popular device its much more fun.
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Yeah. The Infuse was a less popular device, and as a result, the developer community was highly cooperative for a while. Unfortunately, the device itself was a nightmare to work with so it was ditched by many. Although, interestingly enough, now that some of the worst aspects of this device development-wise have been identified, the Infuse is becoming kind of fun to work with again.
In the case of the T - all evidence seems to indicate that it's going to be a highly pleasant device to work with, AND if it's not a super-popular device, it may have a more pleasant development community than some of the more popular devices.
There's an existing well-established team of developers with Sony experience, AND there are also a number of Samsung Exynos refugees that have already made the jump or (in my case) are just waiting to see what their local version of the T has to offer.
That said - based on the developers I've seen hopping over, things are going to be heavily weighed in the AOSP-based firmware side of things. Sony's recent devices have become very attractive to developers of AOSP derivatives due to:
Sony's cooperation with the community in terms of technical information and source releases (see DASH)
Most Sony devices are based on Qualcomm chipsets, and over the past year, CodeAurora has emerged as a high quality reference codebase. (CAF has existed for a long time, but it's not really until this year that I saw people using it heavily.)
Sony's explicit AOSP support, both in terms of binary releases to support JBQ's Xperia S project, and frequent commits to AOSP. In fact, they have one developer working part-time on the AOSP Xperia S tree!
However, going back to Snow_fox's comments - if you want a device that is guaranteed not to be dropped early, purchase a Nexus. With any non-Nexus device, you are always taking risks.
Look at the Samsung Exynos situation - A year ago, Samsung devices were looking like your best bet for ongoing developer support. However, over the past year, a variety of things have changed:
Samsung constantly releases broken HALs that require all sorts of workarounds, and don't play nicely with backwards-compatibility solutions that work on other devices. ICS and JB bringup on Exynos4 devices has been an utter nightmare, leading to the entire team of CM on Exynos devices burning out or coming damn close to it
Samsung decided to use their phones as an outlet for gigantic batches of defective eMMC flash chips. They put workarounds in their firmware but didn't tell anyone. The end result is that you have to tread carefully with any 2011-model Samsung device. Their poor handling of the eMMC disaster has left a sour taste in many developers' mouths.
As a result, many developers are leaving, not necessarily for a device that is flashier, but one that is at least more developer-friendly. I think that in many cases, the Xperia TL will be a downgrade for me compared to my Galaxy Note... But dealing with the Exynos in the Note is driving me utterly insane.

AvRS said:
Support is looking good for devs to get started and this can be seen from the speed CM10 has become available and is progressing on this device. I don't see the lack of activity in this forum as a bad thing and for a dev it's a good thing because they're not hassled every 2 mins with the same repeated support questions or for ETA's (don't do it ). Devs don't choose devices because they're popular, they choose them because they're good to work on and because they personally like the device as remember this is a hobby after all. I for one, if I do get this phone will hope for it to remain as one of the quieter forums but once people start finishing their contracts I can see it attracting a number of people. I finish mine end of this month so that's when I'll be choosing but that choice is based on how easy it'll be to work with as I like to have a play with compiling myself but only for myself really.
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I will have to decide on December 1st what phone I'm going to myself.
I personally understand the appeal of a quieter forum where the same issues aren't asked every couple of minutes.. Once or twice, I've actually had trouble finding a solution wading through the, "How do I ________" and most of them had the response, "do a search" :silly:
tilal6991 said:
I actually chose this device precisely hoping that it wouldn't become too popular. It becomes crazy when people start almost harassing you for a release.
With a less popular device its much more fun.
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Yeah.... there are a lot of ungrateful members. I find myself in an awkward position because, I'm not skilled enough to develop a ROM but, I'm know I'm reliant on whatever XDA puts out to stay up to date with the latest ROMs.
Entropy512 said:
TL developer support is going to highly depend on the bootloader locking situation.
As I understand it, AT&T has a bad habit of forcing bootloader locks. I refuse to support any device that has a locked bootloader which is not officially unlockable - even if the lock gets broken unofficially, it's the principle of the thing.
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If I were in a position to take that stance, I would myself.
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There's an existing well-established team of developers with Sony experience, AND there are also a number of Samsung Exynos refugees that have already made the jump or (in my case) are just waiting to see what their local version of the T has to offer.
That said - based on the developers I've seen hopping over, things are going to be heavily weighed in the AOSP-based firmware side of things. Sony's recent devices have become very attractive to developers of AOSP derivatives due to:
Sony's cooperation with the community in terms of technical information and source releases (see DASH)
Most Sony devices are based on Qualcomm chipsets, and over the past year, CodeAurora has emerged as a high quality reference codebase. (CAF has existed for a long time, but it's not really until this year that I saw people using it heavily.)
Sony's explicit AOSP support, both in terms of binary releases to support JBQ's Xperia S project, and frequent commits to AOSP. In fact, they have one developer working part-time on the AOSP Xperia S tree!
However, going back to Snow_fox's comments - if you want a device that is guaranteed not to be dropped early, purchase a Nexus. With any non-Nexus device, you are always taking risks.
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That unfortunately isn't really entirely an option for me. I'm on a family plan and have no capability of getting out of it at the moment. I don't have enough data to make 16 gigs with no SD card feasible.
I really got lucky when my Captivate had identical hardware to the Nexus S and Samsung was actually good about supporting the devs.
Look at the Samsung Exynos situation - A year ago, Samsung devices were looking like your best bet for ongoing developer support. However, over the past year, a variety of things have changed:
Samsung constantly releases broken HALs that require all sorts of workarounds, and don't play nicely with backwards-compatibility solutions that work on other devices. ICS and JB bringup on Exynos4 devices has been an utter nightmare, leading to the entire team of CM on Exynos devices burning out or coming damn close to it
Samsung decided to use their phones as an outlet for gigantic batches of defective eMMC flash chips. They put workarounds in their firmware but didn't tell anyone. The end result is that you have to tread carefully with any 2011-model Samsung device. Their poor handling of the eMMC disaster has left a sour taste in many developers' mouths.
As a result, many developers are leaving, not necessarily for a device that is flashier, but one that is at least more developer-friendly. I think that in many cases, the Xperia TL will be a downgrade for me compared to my Galaxy Note... But dealing with the Exynos in the Note is driving me utterly insane.
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Do you think that may have some weight on why Google decided to hop to LG for a Nexus device?
Either way, it sounds like I'll be on the Xperia TL or LG Optimus G this upgrade. The decision isn't exactly becoming easier to make though. At least I managed to scratch off the HOX+

i chose xperia phones becase developers say they are not hard to develop , i have an xperia ray and i have a buttload of roms to choose from... i cant decide so i need to fash every 2week!! (flashaholic :l)

also because sony provides solution for bootloader unlock

Here's what I know so far for the TL. Keep in mind none of this is official, and it is preliminary, so could change.
1) The bootloader will NOT be unlockable on any device that has an active SIMlock. e.g. any device sold on AT&T with a contract subsidy is not going to have an unlockable bootloader. This is almost 100% definite.
2) The bootloader should be unlockable for users who pay full price for the device from AT&T, e.g. anyone who can receive an immediate SIM unlock with AT&T's policies. That said, while AT&T says that any person with a full-price device should be able to immediately remove SIMlocks, often it's a major hassle, and I worry that the bootloader unlock "allowability" process will be even less integrated. Don't count on unlocking your bootloader if you purchase full-price directly from AT&T.
3) Sony may sell the device directly (again - they MAY do it, it's not guaranteed), direct-purchase devices will almost surely have an unlockable bootloader (Not guaranteed, but very likely).

Well,TX seems doesn't support for the rom made to T:crying:

niuzhd said:
Well,TX seems doesn't support for the rom made to T:crying:
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of course not. It's a different device

Coming from laggy XS, now holding TX,
Sony is doing it right this time, TX design and ICS are so smooth, fast and bug free( at least haven't encounter any yet), TBH I don't have any intention to flash Rom or wait for update (JB).
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What People Should Know About Samsung And Nexus

after 1 year hanging out with teamhacksung irc I have learned alot about samsung the developers of cyanogenmod and teamhacksung has done a great job to do everything they can to bring AOSP Experience
I gotten my phone ( Samsung Galaxy S2 International Version I9100) and back then I dont even know how android works I went for the phone cause of how people booster it was the best phone and beating iPhone 4 which I previously own after months of research and chit-chatting with codeworkx I have learned alot and understand today why he dump samsung exynos support
those who know this will understand that there are bugs in Cyanogenmod 7 for samsung devices which can never be fixed and people blame the community for that and not doing their job
the only reason why it is like this it cause of undocumented stuff and closed drivers sources which are not even out and we until today have never really felt the power of project butter/ics true experiences on our devices
I have waited long enough and suffered so much from samsung Im sorry samsung you guys have lost my respect.
those who are complaining about why this phone does not support LTE get a Optimus G , I don't really know about AOSP Support on Optimus G since LG Controls it how they update or release the source or drivers are closed source atleast it is not Exynos and Mali :good:
so what is nexus about then ?
nexus is more for people who are interested in android development and more on android since it is control by google software and LG Hardware it is a two way thing
and google is still supporting Galaxy Nexus and it is good phone
anyway yes Im getting a Nexus 4 and those who has Galaxy Nexus think carefully about switching as google is not like samsung who release tons of devices and forgets about old one
cheers
p.s mod I dont really know where to post this but if you could move it and dont close this thread as I feel that it is a understanding on educating some people on how android and google works.
thanks
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[Q] I9305 LTE - Future of the userbuilt CyanogenMod / my I9305

Hi there,
after extending my Vodafone subscription for another 2 years they sent me a SGS3 I9305... Over the last years i was using SGS and SGS II with CM... After googling half a day and reading the other half of the day i got stuck - not knowing what do know with the I9305 because I am addicted to Cyanogenmod since I first bought the SGS... With the SGS II it became even better and now I don´t know if I should laugh or cry holding a flagship smartphone in my hands which is not ( officialy ) supported by the Firmware / Rom I love. This Forum looks like the place to ask a few of my questions related to the future of my I9305, Cyanogenmod and a few other things... so here we go:
-Why is the cyanogenmod team not developing for the I9305?
-Will they take over the work that is put into the "userbuilt" Version and add official support for the I9305?
-Will the "userbuilt" Version stay something like a "sidekick" or can we expect nightlies / fixes on a regular basis?
-Will the "userbuilt" Version stay on top of new releases / versions of Android?
-Does Codeworkx now "officially" support the "userbuilt" Version or was he just "snooping around" and giving some advice?
-Is the I9305 already "born dead" and should I sell it and wait for another Samsung device that´ll be supported again?
I really don´t know what to do... The Vodafone ( Germany ) Stock Rom is pain in the a** and flashing other "experimentals Roms" is no good for me either. I love and admire what the Cyanogenmod developers are doing and how much "brain matter" and energy they put into their project, but from my ( quite selfish ) point of view it feels wrong to give up on the users which were given a f****n I9305 by their Mobile-Providers and not the I9300...
Please enlighten me and if there is hope to use the I9305 like it was possible with SGS and SGS II in combination with CM please give me a hint how to achieve that. I´d really appreciate some CYANO-LOVE for my "not so smart" smartphone...
Many thanks in advance and greetings from good old germany - Clever&Smart

I think the closest thing you're going to get is liquids rom which is very close to cyanogen if not better. At the moment it's not stable enough for me but I'm sure after a few updates it will be worth using.
For now I've customised ripper rom to get the pure look. And it works flawlessly. And let's face it you can't beat having a Sammy base so that the camera works as it was intended to!
But be patient things change pretty quick on here and maybe codeworks will change his mind
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Amplified (the maintainer of Liquid Smooth I9305) has a say in official I9305 CM support but I don't know why you wouldn't just go for Liquid Smooth, we have a dedicated Dev that happily takes logcats, fixes problems, will be pushing out updates and most of all we know he will be sticking around unlike Codeworkx. Yes he has done SOO much but unfortunately he doesn't have our device and refuses to support Samsung for good reasons too so he can only do so much. Do as much as you can to help around and if we all do our bit we will see a flourishing I9305 forum.
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Magik_Breezy said:
Amplified (the maintainer of Liquid Smooth I9305) has a say in official I9305 CM support but I don't know why you wouldn't just go for Liquid Smooth, we have a dedicated Dev that happily takes logcats, fixes problems, will be pushing out updates and most of all we know he will be sticking around unlike Codeworkx. Yes he has done SOO much but unfortunately he doesn't have our device and refuses to support Samsung for good reasons too so he can only do so much. Do as much as you can to help around and if we all do our bit we will see a flourishing I9305 forum.
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Am I understanding your answer right? Is the Liquid Smooth ROM a ROM from the CyanogenMod Development Tree ?

Its they're own based of some from cm and aosp
It's pretty close though!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38033836
I too was sadden by the lack developmental roms on here but I love this device so oh well
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Here you go mate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38243046
[ROM][GT-I9305][JB][4.2.2] CyanogenMod 10.1 unofficial builds
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djembey said:
Here you go mate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38243046
[ROM][GT-I9305][JB][4.2.2] CyanogenMod 10.1 unofficial builds
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That is still the exact same CM, now you just dont have to screen through 46 pages to know what is going on
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Magik_Breezy said:
That is still the exact same CM, now you just dont have to screen through 46 pages to know what is going on
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But - correct me if I am wrong - I think it´s still "not maintained" and codeworkx is flaming everybody who is not a development pro because he is mad... and under these circumstances it doesn´t seem to be very wise to install it right now - right ?

cleverandsmart said:
But - correct me if I am wrong - I think it´s still "not maintained" and codeworkx is flaming everybody who is not a development pro because he is mad... and under these circumstances it doesn´t seem to be very wise to install it right now - right ?
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You have 2 options.
1. Install it and try it.. It's not maintained yet and it's Unofficial build as Codeworkx don't own an i9305.....
2. Wait until CM project have full support for i9305..... You can wait forever. ....
It's completely up to you mate
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cleverandsmart said:
-Why is the cyanogenmod team not developing for the I9305?
-Will they take over the work that is put into the "userbuilt" Version and add official support for the I9305?
-Will the "userbuilt" Version stay something like a "sidekick" or can we expect nightlies / fixes on a regular basis?
-Will the "userbuilt" Version stay on top of new releases / versions of Android?
-Does Codeworkx now "officially" support the "userbuilt" Version or was he just "snooping around" and giving some advice?
-Is the I9305 already "born dead" and should I sell it and wait for another Samsung device that´ll be supported again?
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To answer your questions in order,
We don't have an official maintainer because
i: hardly anyone owns this device;
ii: of the few people who do own this device, most are not able to maintain it, and none have previously maintained devices for CM;
iii: codeworkx is not willing to maintain it because, in very short, Samsung are very nearly the worst OEM when it comes to supporting third-party development; besides which, he doesn't own the device, which makes it very difficult for him to work on the port.
If a maintainer appears, we'll get official nightlies. I wouldn't hold your breath.
As above, if a maintainer appears, he or she will likely take over the existing device tree and the unofficial version will just become irrelevant.
If someone makes new builds, yes. There are a few of us who can do that until something major breaks, since builds really only require time rather than knowledge.
Codeworkx does not, and has never, supported this device or offered to maintain it. He just took pity on us because no-one here has enough porting experience to do it properly otherwise. That said, he has fixed a lot of bugs, and at this point in time the build is pretty much comparable in stability to the t0lte builds.
Since you care about AOSP ROMs - sell it, get a Nexus 4. If for some reason you don't want that, just don't get a Samsung device - seriously. Almost any manufacturer save HTC would be better; Sony in particular seem to be flavour of the month. Samsung are really, really bad in this one regard (i.e., releasing proper sources). There's still a lot that's not yet released, and what's there took far too long to get.
With regard to the LiquidSmooth ROM, it's hard to judge exactly what Amplified can do. He hasn't updated the LiquidSmooth device tree except with the changes codeworkx has made. He also implied a while back that C/C++ aren't his preferred languages, in which case I would expect hardware support to improve slowly at best. I don't mean any of that as criticism of Amplified, of course, I just don't want to tell you that all will be well without knowing beyond doubt whether Amplified can fix driver issues down the line.
Having said that, the unofficial CM build really is entirely usable, and I expect LiquidSmooth is much the same. I daresay the former will be kept up-to-date by the community until Android 5 appears, at which point porting will probably require a skilled developer again. The progress of the latter is up to Amplified.

[Q] I want to hear your opinion on the development of GT-N7000

Especially those people who owned the Note since the beginning in Q4 2011.
What do you think of the development of our Exynos-based Note?
How do you feel after one year that CM for our Note even our little brother S2 is not fully working?
Are you satisfied with the stock ROMs provided by Samsung?
How about the superbrick fiasco? Do you think Samsung should have done something more quickly?
What do you think of the Jelly Bean update for Note? Quality is there?
EDIT: One more question. Will you consider a Samsung for your next device?

Development - good not that bad
CyanogenMod - Not working at its full potential but it is still my daily driver
Satisfaction with Samsung firmware ? - Are you kidding ?
How about the superbrick fiasco ? - I considered selling selling my note when Superbrick bug was detected but there were no other 5' phones at that time. Even now, non-removable battery (Xperia Z and others) is a deal-breaker for me.
Jelly bean update - It does not have professional and finishing touch as I quoted your post in other thread.
Am I happy with my Note ?
I am happy because I'm content and I am content because I am happy

For your every question it's a no.. There are not much development even some peps here think uploading the stock deodex rom with xyz name adding some mods which are already present on forum individually is a developmnet..? A big no, but the elite xda-developers who are trying their best bringing cutting edge work and something innovative to android development world is called development and i am very thankful to them.. But still it's not up to par.. I wish i bought a nexus device in place of note regarding android development and modding.. And sammy is just to lazy in providing update to our device and providing source codes, stock jb is just unacceptable for me it's too laggy for anyone who uses cm as a daily driver.. I am afraid to say that cm is also not fully functional, the memory leak sometimes make me go crazy but have to live with this sh*t truth about my beloved note.. After all i love my note than any other device owned by me in past and please don't term me as complainig it's all what any note user has in his heart to say.. And yeah how can i forget about brick bug, when my note firstly got affected by it i was like what the heck is wrong with my baby it is dead and you will not believe still i fear from doing any wipes it doesn't matter if i have modified kernel or not and the black crush issue is like never gonna sorted out
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Development - we hamper our own progress, more politics than codes, groupism, lack of feedback, squelching of viable ideas
CM - an alternative to explore but not be ruled/smothered by.
Samsung performance - Good in many ways- stable, battery friendly/new features/ frequent updates. Good inspite of black clipping, highly priced devices and poor build quality.
Brickbug - never existed beyond the walls of xda and/or rooting process.
Jelly bean - better than ics
Had a lot of fun with my Note. if i didnt have it , with my past experience of it, Id go for a Samsung product but would wait for price to go down first.
NB - Can you really hope for an unbiased answer ? where you become popular and part of the herd if you call Sammy Crapsung and start off your OP with a statement like - I hate Touchwiz , and thanks are heaped on you for it ? Hate begets hate.
I never put forth my views for argument so dont even try.

1 No development to full potential without Exymos drivers, still ppl did best they could. Most devs left by now
[email protected] ... ... ...them.
3No, but some custom ROMs are/were good.
4My phone has sane chip - they should recall vulnerable devices or deliver sw fix earlier.
5For me on AllianceLSZ it is as close as possibly, but I did not tried stock version.
Last one. I don't think so. They grow to big market share - lame corporation. They are lying, promising and not delivering. All I liked -big screen now is no longer Samsung's only thing. I am not fond of cheap plastic too. I liked sd card and removable battery.
Time will tell. HTC one Motorolla X LG who knows?

Development you can't talk about it since it is for every device separate and the devices high end life is under 6 months so developers are using the hit and run tactic since after awhile the device isn't popular and if you now add the delay of source to be given from the manufacture tell me what can - could you await from the developers. Who they make this with 0 to low profit gain except few of them, but that's another story.
You can't compare s2 with any device out there. S2 is legen wait for it dary .
Samsungs firmware upgrade policy was ok till ics came out, the updates where faster then you could find all the changes from one. After the second ics firmware the things did go worse, if I remember right it was s3 comming out time. And before the note 2 was introduced there was the end.
Profit rules them all.
If you don't buy that you will buy the other. Tell me a company who is making a good device with great support? None.
Google isn't producing her own devices.
Apple? Come on you can spend your money somewhere else.
As long smartphones aren't as PC's where you can add 10, different self picked, parts to make a phone and after that you pick a OS to install on it with the drivers for the parts. Till then you will pay to be happy when you will get a fully operating device with SOME of the things you need.
Own a DBT N7000
Flashed first time on JB leak since till then, the device and OS was enought/had nothing to offer more, to my needs.
Cm never used it. But N7000 without spen? Huge respect to the guys and girls for supporting so many devices ofc.
Let the "flames" begin.
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1 [Development]. Well, there are some sweet ROMs and mods, but my mate that recommended looking for stuff here some time ago said there's everything here, and TBH I don't see it, was looking for ported S Memo for JB, ink effect for S Pen only and other small mods and didn't find anything
2 [CM]. Never cared about it, I picked Note for features built around TW
3 [Stocks]. Until JB, it was pretty good, new features, not too much crap, stable and efficient
4 [Brick]. Terrible mistake and marketing failure, didn't affect me fortunately
5 [JB]. Nope, it's a total disappointment, I was eager to update it ASAP, but after I did it I was like "WHAT THE HELL MAN?". Sad, sad update
6 [Sammy]. I never considered any Samsung's phone other than SII or Note, so no

I am still very happy with my Note...with some work to be done, JB is very fast and stable and bugfree...i tried all CM and his derivates and they are great, but i still like modded stock most, mainly for all the features coming with it or possible to add - and it lags 0 (in words ZERO) for me...brickbug was an awful mistake, bricked 2 devices for me (one i got repaired on warranty)...i dont care about blackclipping cause it never affected me that much...
And cause this seems to be the 'bash sammy and note 1 thread' i am looking forward to some public flogging

I am also happy with my note.
I feel there is a strong but disappointed community regarding development. Most developers have strained that Samsung closedness in regards of hardware level drivers have halted back development months if not a year.
I personally feel the folowing is true: because of difficulty in basic os openeness guys like CM team have found time wanting in further development then basic os. I saw endevours in spen functionality and firmly believe if Samsung was more open, not only would rom development taken off more but also the app development. Just gettting rom functional has sucked the living daylights out of a lot of good devs. Had that not been the case they would have been motivated and have time left to revolutionizing further spen/apps stuff. This is a cascading effect.
I in that sense having seen burnouts and close burnouts with certain devs, am definitely not dissapointed in the devs. Greatfull for their devotion and spirit. In Samsung, yes definately dissapointed. I love what Samsung did with JB. But this whole ordeal is not a good example of transforming an opensource platform into a true community platform. That Samsung can do better. Must do better, because the XDA community is already speaking of moving from Samsung to more dev friendly mobiles. Samsung needs to turn that around.
Their future lineup is promising, but with this trackrecord, its not gonna appeal the devs into storming buyin.
More and more users are following favorite devs, if those devs move away, so will xda members following those devs. Time to step up the game Samsung, we know you want to.

Note is a great device(except battery) for me.Yeah,I miss more ported roms from other phones too,but today we have so many different chips and without sources for drivers I know it's hard...
...from SG NOTE N7000 with Tapatalk 2

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What do you think of the development of our Exynos-based Note?
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From Samsung, laughable. From individuals, can't ask more.
How do you feel after one year that CM for our Note even our little brother S2 is not fully working?
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Read somewhere that Samsung denied CM Officials' request to release TW Source. IMHO, I don't know if its true or actually a matter of concern but it is quite noticeable that other manufacturers' devices have amazing CMs whereas TW based phones are suffering.
Are you satisfied with the stock ROMs provided by Samsung?
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No.
Dear Samsung, Nobody wants your ****ing motion sensor voodoo you call "Smart-this-Smart-that" and annoying visual/audio effects you call "Nature-Nature". Your idea of using a Digitizer with a phone? Excellent. Making a phone that is a Milestone for Smartphones? Fantastic. Providing Dedicated apps? Orgasmic. ****ty optimization? You lost me.
How about the superbrick fiasco? Do you think Samsung should have done something more quickly?
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Lost my "dear" to that once. My Beloved Samsung with Amazing Proprietary Issues.
What do you think of the Jelly Bean update for Note? Quality is there?
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Pfffffhahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! xD
Will you consider a Samsung for your next device?
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Probably. When it comes to RAW Power, Samsung doesn't shy away. That's the beauty of it.

Note has many achievements.
1. It tasted 3 flavors of android.
2. Its the first >5 inch phone which changed the way of users habit.
3. It has seen the mist development more than galaxy nexus. It got all tge major custom releases with tw stock roms as a bonus.
4. Its the only phone which even after 1 and a half year life has a place in users heart.
5. It was a future proof device of its time and the way dev helped it groom is remarkable.
6. Thanks to devs who despite being annoying contributes so much to make our experience good.
Entropy, dr.ketan,Eybee1976, chasmodo, Criskelo, and so many others who take out time to make things better.
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Hello developers.Dont want to be annyoing but I'm new to this devicee and i kinda like it and tried lots and lots of roms for it, and you know that android L/Lollipop is coming soon out, and i want to ask if anyone is gonna like port it to our device because i know some really good developers like the major tonyp and other ones.So if yes i would be really really hyped for it like many other lol

i think that for the reply we have to wait CM12(?)sources comes out,but as i understood in the past our phone is supporting kitkat with a base that starts from ics sources,so we must wait and maybe isn't possible to port, but also for me it will be interesting if the devs can port a rom with lollipop.By the way i was thinking that we are running also some old version of the gapps to make it work with our device due to missing neon support(like youtube or google search for ex.),so don't know if it's possible

TheMysteryouse said:
Hello developers.Dont want to be annyoing but I'm new to this devicee and i kinda like it and tried lots and lots of roms for it, and you know that android L/Lollipop is coming soon out, and i want to ask if anyone is gonna like port it to our device because i know some really good developers like the major tonyp and other ones.So if yes i would be really really hyped for it like many other lol
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We had to wait 3 months for CM11 M1 to come out after KitKat was released, and knowing that Lollipop is quite a large overhaul and that it fully uses the ART runtime, we can expect a larger delay for CM12 M1. And even when it comes out, it will be almost featureless. As far as I know, Lollipop sources haven't been yet released, so we'll have to wait and see.
Second, yes, we are running on old ICS sources, so unless the 3.x kernel becomes super stable so we can use newer drivers, if they are available for our device, we'll have a bad time.
Third, this is a subforum for Development Discussion, so this kind of thread is more welcomed in the General Discussion section or even Q&A.
Keep on modding Other than that, KitKat development has been quite amazing in the last few months, and considering that the O2X is a device released in 2011, we are more than been blessed regarding this device. Ludnica, brate, ludnica.

Jes jes hahaha. Well whatever happens we will maybe be able to get something of it.I will try my best.I dont rly know much about coding but i know some stuff and i am learning every day more and more so yeah.I hope if we all combine our inteligence we will get something.
Oh and the sources should be out on i think November 5th

Testing Platform available
I like the idea of L for P990. I recently bought a new phone. That spares my P990 for testing full time as I have another phone for regular use. Please let me should you like to test anything, I will happily share the results. The least I can do to aid further development.