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Samsung - CM - Exynos... whats all the fuss about?

Hello
I'm reading a lot of comment about people never buying a SAMSUNG phone again on this forum.
I believe it has something to do with CM team ( who are these guys? ) and the CPU type and source code.
Could you please care to elaborate? As I am planning on upgrading to GN2 but ofc I need root access and the latest OS all the time
Thank you.

Which post are you refering to? I just seem to see post saying how awesome the Note 2eand SIII are!

Dmwitz said:
Which post are you refering to? I just seem to see post saying how awesome the Note 2eand SIII are!
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It's not just 1 post,
All around the forum , especially in the GN forum ( where I spend most of my time ) I see people complaining about Samsung devices in the future and how they will never buy another samsung again ...

I guess it all depends whether or not you want to run CM custom roms on your device.
Furthermore Samsung promised to release the Exynos sources...So we'll just wait and see

Problem ist that the source code is no available and without no new CM AOSP AOKP Roms possible. The company said in the past that they will release the code, but till today they don't.
Other companies like Sony did it better and supports the community. That's also a reason why great Dev won't work for our Note...

It's not impossible to bring new roms without sourcecode - we still have CM10 and will get CM10.1 - but the experience is not the best, and devs have to put A LOT of work to even make it work.
Samsung promised they will release their sources - yet untill today - they didn't. So it's simple as that, if they release sources - devs might finally fix some bugs and push CM10 into stable. Without sources we might never go out of nigthlies because some bugs might never get fixed.
As for SONY, yes they release all their sources, but remember that they used to be like Samsung untill their market share shrinked, so now they're most likely just trying to appeal to customers with that. Hope they won't change their mind about it when/if their sales go high again ( I'm looking at you Xperia Yuga )

User_99 said:
Problem ist that the source code is no available and without no new CM AOSP AOKP Roms possible. The company said in the past that they will release the code, but till today they don't.
Other companies like Sony did it better and supports the community. That's also a reason why great Dev won't work for our Note...
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Very true, but I think they don't give a ....about a few devs and users being frustrated when they sell millions of devices...Like most of the big selling companys

bebseh said:
It's not just 1 post,
All around the forum , especially in the GN forum ( where I spend most of my time ) I see people complaining about Samsung devices in the future and how they will never buy another samsung again ...
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I think u r talking abt this thread..especially this one..

a pall of gloom has descended on the community it seems
check out CM 10 thread
i hope its a temporary phase -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35210934&postcount=1651

Samsung didnt want the devs to work for the android community because in the end it gives an advantage to google and its os. Samsung wants people to buy its phones because of their new features added in their TW that are not available on true android. They in the future wants their devices ti be free from the android pool. Because of the tiring update process. No source code release is just what keeps dev from moding their devices so they can market their new phones and limit those features in the old models. I dont think they will care about dev going to other vendors. Because once they got hold of a new indigenous OS. they will market its dev kits and hardware for developers and they know how to bring them back.
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[Q] I want to hear your opinion on the development of GT-N7000

Especially those people who owned the Note since the beginning in Q4 2011.
What do you think of the development of our Exynos-based Note?
How do you feel after one year that CM for our Note even our little brother S2 is not fully working?
Are you satisfied with the stock ROMs provided by Samsung?
How about the superbrick fiasco? Do you think Samsung should have done something more quickly?
What do you think of the Jelly Bean update for Note? Quality is there?
EDIT: One more question. Will you consider a Samsung for your next device?

Development - good not that bad
CyanogenMod - Not working at its full potential but it is still my daily driver
Satisfaction with Samsung firmware ? - Are you kidding ?
How about the superbrick fiasco ? - I considered selling selling my note when Superbrick bug was detected but there were no other 5' phones at that time. Even now, non-removable battery (Xperia Z and others) is a deal-breaker for me.
Jelly bean update - It does not have professional and finishing touch as I quoted your post in other thread.
Am I happy with my Note ?
I am happy because I'm content and I am content because I am happy

For your every question it's a no.. There are not much development even some peps here think uploading the stock deodex rom with xyz name adding some mods which are already present on forum individually is a developmnet..? A big no, but the elite xda-developers who are trying their best bringing cutting edge work and something innovative to android development world is called development and i am very thankful to them.. But still it's not up to par.. I wish i bought a nexus device in place of note regarding android development and modding.. And sammy is just to lazy in providing update to our device and providing source codes, stock jb is just unacceptable for me it's too laggy for anyone who uses cm as a daily driver.. I am afraid to say that cm is also not fully functional, the memory leak sometimes make me go crazy but have to live with this sh*t truth about my beloved note.. After all i love my note than any other device owned by me in past and please don't term me as complainig it's all what any note user has in his heart to say.. And yeah how can i forget about brick bug, when my note firstly got affected by it i was like what the heck is wrong with my baby it is dead and you will not believe still i fear from doing any wipes it doesn't matter if i have modified kernel or not and the black crush issue is like never gonna sorted out
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Development - we hamper our own progress, more politics than codes, groupism, lack of feedback, squelching of viable ideas
CM - an alternative to explore but not be ruled/smothered by.
Samsung performance - Good in many ways- stable, battery friendly/new features/ frequent updates. Good inspite of black clipping, highly priced devices and poor build quality.
Brickbug - never existed beyond the walls of xda and/or rooting process.
Jelly bean - better than ics
Had a lot of fun with my Note. if i didnt have it , with my past experience of it, Id go for a Samsung product but would wait for price to go down first.
NB - Can you really hope for an unbiased answer ? where you become popular and part of the herd if you call Sammy Crapsung and start off your OP with a statement like - I hate Touchwiz , and thanks are heaped on you for it ? Hate begets hate.
I never put forth my views for argument so dont even try.

1 No development to full potential without Exymos drivers, still ppl did best they could. Most devs left by now
[email protected] ... ... ...them.
3No, but some custom ROMs are/were good.
4My phone has sane chip - they should recall vulnerable devices or deliver sw fix earlier.
5For me on AllianceLSZ it is as close as possibly, but I did not tried stock version.
Last one. I don't think so. They grow to big market share - lame corporation. They are lying, promising and not delivering. All I liked -big screen now is no longer Samsung's only thing. I am not fond of cheap plastic too. I liked sd card and removable battery.
Time will tell. HTC one Motorolla X LG who knows?

Development you can't talk about it since it is for every device separate and the devices high end life is under 6 months so developers are using the hit and run tactic since after awhile the device isn't popular and if you now add the delay of source to be given from the manufacture tell me what can - could you await from the developers. Who they make this with 0 to low profit gain except few of them, but that's another story.
You can't compare s2 with any device out there. S2 is legen wait for it dary .
Samsungs firmware upgrade policy was ok till ics came out, the updates where faster then you could find all the changes from one. After the second ics firmware the things did go worse, if I remember right it was s3 comming out time. And before the note 2 was introduced there was the end.
Profit rules them all.
If you don't buy that you will buy the other. Tell me a company who is making a good device with great support? None.
Google isn't producing her own devices.
Apple? Come on you can spend your money somewhere else.
As long smartphones aren't as PC's where you can add 10, different self picked, parts to make a phone and after that you pick a OS to install on it with the drivers for the parts. Till then you will pay to be happy when you will get a fully operating device with SOME of the things you need.
Own a DBT N7000
Flashed first time on JB leak since till then, the device and OS was enought/had nothing to offer more, to my needs.
Cm never used it. But N7000 without spen? Huge respect to the guys and girls for supporting so many devices ofc.
Let the "flames" begin.
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1 [Development]. Well, there are some sweet ROMs and mods, but my mate that recommended looking for stuff here some time ago said there's everything here, and TBH I don't see it, was looking for ported S Memo for JB, ink effect for S Pen only and other small mods and didn't find anything
2 [CM]. Never cared about it, I picked Note for features built around TW
3 [Stocks]. Until JB, it was pretty good, new features, not too much crap, stable and efficient
4 [Brick]. Terrible mistake and marketing failure, didn't affect me fortunately
5 [JB]. Nope, it's a total disappointment, I was eager to update it ASAP, but after I did it I was like "WHAT THE HELL MAN?". Sad, sad update
6 [Sammy]. I never considered any Samsung's phone other than SII or Note, so no

I am still very happy with my Note...with some work to be done, JB is very fast and stable and bugfree...i tried all CM and his derivates and they are great, but i still like modded stock most, mainly for all the features coming with it or possible to add - and it lags 0 (in words ZERO) for me...brickbug was an awful mistake, bricked 2 devices for me (one i got repaired on warranty)...i dont care about blackclipping cause it never affected me that much...
And cause this seems to be the 'bash sammy and note 1 thread' i am looking forward to some public flogging

I am also happy with my note.
I feel there is a strong but disappointed community regarding development. Most developers have strained that Samsung closedness in regards of hardware level drivers have halted back development months if not a year.
I personally feel the folowing is true: because of difficulty in basic os openeness guys like CM team have found time wanting in further development then basic os. I saw endevours in spen functionality and firmly believe if Samsung was more open, not only would rom development taken off more but also the app development. Just gettting rom functional has sucked the living daylights out of a lot of good devs. Had that not been the case they would have been motivated and have time left to revolutionizing further spen/apps stuff. This is a cascading effect.
I in that sense having seen burnouts and close burnouts with certain devs, am definitely not dissapointed in the devs. Greatfull for their devotion and spirit. In Samsung, yes definately dissapointed. I love what Samsung did with JB. But this whole ordeal is not a good example of transforming an opensource platform into a true community platform. That Samsung can do better. Must do better, because the XDA community is already speaking of moving from Samsung to more dev friendly mobiles. Samsung needs to turn that around.
Their future lineup is promising, but with this trackrecord, its not gonna appeal the devs into storming buyin.
More and more users are following favorite devs, if those devs move away, so will xda members following those devs. Time to step up the game Samsung, we know you want to.

Note is a great device(except battery) for me.Yeah,I miss more ported roms from other phones too,but today we have so many different chips and without sources for drivers I know it's hard...
...from SG NOTE N7000 with Tapatalk 2

Livebyte said:
What do you think of the development of our Exynos-based Note?
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From Samsung, laughable. From individuals, can't ask more.
How do you feel after one year that CM for our Note even our little brother S2 is not fully working?
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Read somewhere that Samsung denied CM Officials' request to release TW Source. IMHO, I don't know if its true or actually a matter of concern but it is quite noticeable that other manufacturers' devices have amazing CMs whereas TW based phones are suffering.
Are you satisfied with the stock ROMs provided by Samsung?
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No.
Dear Samsung, Nobody wants your ****ing motion sensor voodoo you call "Smart-this-Smart-that" and annoying visual/audio effects you call "Nature-Nature". Your idea of using a Digitizer with a phone? Excellent. Making a phone that is a Milestone for Smartphones? Fantastic. Providing Dedicated apps? Orgasmic. ****ty optimization? You lost me.
How about the superbrick fiasco? Do you think Samsung should have done something more quickly?
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Lost my "dear" to that once. My Beloved Samsung with Amazing Proprietary Issues.
What do you think of the Jelly Bean update for Note? Quality is there?
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Pfffffhahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! xD
Will you consider a Samsung for your next device?
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Probably. When it comes to RAW Power, Samsung doesn't shy away. That's the beauty of it.

Note has many achievements.
1. It tasted 3 flavors of android.
2. Its the first >5 inch phone which changed the way of users habit.
3. It has seen the mist development more than galaxy nexus. It got all tge major custom releases with tw stock roms as a bonus.
4. Its the only phone which even after 1 and a half year life has a place in users heart.
5. It was a future proof device of its time and the way dev helped it groom is remarkable.
6. Thanks to devs who despite being annoying contributes so much to make our experience good.
Entropy, dr.ketan,Eybee1976, chasmodo, Criskelo, and so many others who take out time to make things better.
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[Q] Ubuntu Touch for Galaxy S4 Active (i9295)

Hi all.
Anybody knows if Ubuntu Touch for Galaxy S 4 Active is being made?
Can we use the standard galaxy S4 build, if they manage to get it working on their system?
It is basically the same (same Processor, sound device, etc.), except for the camera.
I am willing to give 10 USD to the person who creates the first working beta
(I know its not much, but i am a student, so i dont have much money right now.. )
All the best,
Toby

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TobiasFP said:
Hi all.
Anybody knows if Ubuntu Touch for Galaxy S 4 Active is being made?
Can we use the standard galaxy S4 build, if they manage to get it working on their system?
It is basically the same (same Processor, sound device, etc.), except for the camera.
I am willing to give 10 USD to the person who creates the first working beta
(I know its not much, but i am a student, so i dont have much money right now.. )
All the best,
Toby
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It also has a different screen amongst other things, meaning it needs a different kernel - different drivers. I wouldn't hold my breath on ANY more roms coming to the i9295. It simply didn't gain enough traction!

Cederic said:
It also has a different screen amongst other things, meaning it needs a different kernel - different drivers. I wouldn't hold my breath on ANY more roms coming to the i9295. It simply didn't gain enough traction!
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Thanks for the pick me up
But shouldnt all that needs changing be the blobs for the CM build?
Since Ubuntu touch relies on CyanogenMod to work, and since we have a pretty stable CM rom going, couldnt we just use the blobs from the i9505 build with minor adjustments to get going?
or have i misunderstood the build process?

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Thanks for the pick me up
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Heh, yes I'm a bit bitter. I'm planning to sell my active and get a nexus 5 instead thanks to the lack of developments, so I can't help but rub it in a bit on the way out. While there's been some upswing lately for the i537 thanks to safestrap, none of that translates to the i9295.
TobiasFP said:
But shouldnt all that needs changing be the blobs for the CM build?
Since Ubuntu touch relies on CyanogenMod to work, and since we have a pretty stable CM rom going, couldnt we just use the blobs from the i9505 build with minor adjustments to get going?
or have i misunderstood the build process?
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Well, I'm using the CM build from this forum as my daily user, and "pretty stable" is a good description. Not stable enough really, and the most pressing issue is the lack of official CM support to make it so. I don't know how easy it is, but quite obviously there's more to it than you'd think or it would have happened already. Samsung is (apparently) notorious for not making it easy in any way, so... I wouldn't hold out hope. Not since this device turned out to be so slowly adopted that there just doesn't seem to be enough developers interested.
Perhaps this will change over the year to come, but I doubt it, and I for one don't have time for it.

Cederic said:
Heh, yes I'm a bit bitter. I'm planning to sell my active and get a nexus 5 instead thanks to the lack of developments, so I can't help but rub it in a bit on the way out. While there's been some upswing lately for the i537 thanks to safestrap, none of that translates to the i9295.
Well, I'm using the CM build from this forum as my daily user, and "pretty stable" is a good description. Not stable enough really, and the most pressing issue is the lack of official CM support to make it so. I don't know how easy it is, but quite obviously there's more to it than you'd think or it would have happened already. Samsung is (apparently) notorious for not making it easy in any way, so... I wouldn't hold out hope. Not since this device turned out to be so slowly adopted that there just doesn't seem to be enough developers interested.
Perhaps this will change over the year to come, but I doubt it, and I for one don't have time for it.
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No, of course it is not easy, but what i was saying is, that when the i9505 gets going, which i believe it will, since they have been working on it for about a month now, i believe it could "easily" be converted to the i9295.
The i9505 is a lot more similar to the i9295 than the i537, they both share the same Krait processor, and the screen is already fully supported in the current CM build of the i9295, so i dont see that as a problem.
Of course it will take some time, but i believe (okay, a better word would be "hope") that when the i9505 has Ubuntu Touch ready, it will not take long for us.
See the development status here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2274387&page=4

Any new Developing Roms?

I definitely appreciate the roms that SDBags and every other developer has made, but I was hoping for more options available, specifically in AOSP Roms. I love the transformer lineup because it is super useful as a cheaper high performing school laptop for note taking and has a stylus for taking notes with. But honestly, I rarely have cared for asus's stock software compared to AOSP, and AOSP definitely will give me much speedier performance, much more customization and much more recent updates overall.
Can any developers let me know why there haven't been more available AOSP Roms lately, or maybe its a problem with the tf701t hardware making it harder to Rom for? Or maybe not many people are buying this tablet? I just want an idea of what I would be in for if I buy this tablet soon.
Also, has any of the Tf700 tablet developers been asked to help develop for this tablet? (Just an Idea)
This is not a bashing on any developers who are making this Rom. Especially with SDBags. I have used his CROMI Roms on the TF300t all the time and they are AWESOME!!! I was just curious why the tablet hasn't gotten much attention in the ROMs section from hearing all sorts of good things from this tablet

royredman said:
I definitely appreciate the roms that SDBags and every other developer has made, but I was hoping for more options available, specifically in AOSP Roms. I love the transformer lineup because it is super useful as a cheaper high performing school laptop for note taking and has a stylus for taking notes with. But honestly, I rarely have cared for asus's stock software compared to AOSP, and AOSP definitely will give me much speedier performance, much more customization and much more recent updates overall.
Can any developers let me know why there haven't been more available AOSP Roms lately, or maybe its a problem with the tf701t hardware making it harder to Rom for? Or maybe not many people are buying this tablet? I just want an idea of what I would be in for if I buy this tablet soon.
Also, has any of the Tf700 tablet developers been asked to help develop for this tablet? (Just an Idea)
This is not a bashing on any developers who are making this Rom. Especially with SDBags. I have used his CROMI Roms on the TF300t all the time and they are AWESOME!!! I was just curious why the tablet hasn't gotten much attention in the ROMs section from hearing all sorts of good things from this tablet
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Not many devs bought the device, we only have cm11 source available, I don't have time to make loads of roms from source, although I might have a surprise for you soon.
It's about time other people started learning how to build from source don't you think? How about you give it a go?

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Not many devs bought the device, we only have cm11 source available, I don't have time to make loads of roms from source, although I might have a surprise for you soon.
It's about time other people started learning how to build from source don't you think? How about you give it a go?
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So you would teaching? [emoji56]

What do you want to know?

sbdags said:
Not many devs bought the device, we only have cm11 source available, I don't have time to make loads of roms from source, although I might have a surprise for you soon.
It's about time other people started learning how to build from source don't you think? How about you give it a go?
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I totally understand where you are going at. You are a great developer and I am not asking specifically you, just mainly other developers that haven't shown their awesome work for this tablet. And, do you know anywhere good to get a tutorial how to build a rom for this device?
Is building a rom for this device much harder than building a rom for another device, like the tf300t? Does the Tegra 4 chip really hard to work with when creating the ROMS for this tablet? Is there a way I can test the rom onto an emulator build of the tf701 on the computer so then I wont risk my tablet being bricked due to my ignorance? sorry for all the questions.

[q] wtf fxp ?????

If you didnt know yesterday the FXP team announced that it would begin lollipop nightlies for 12 Xperia devices, in which our SP isnt included. While reading the list with the 12 devices i realised that devices that are WAY less powerfull like the E3 will get support, and our device which in my expierience seems to run lollipop with ease doesnt get support.
This really frustrated me, as i dont understand why would they do that. Does anyone have an explanation ???
Btw happy holidays everyone

Different phones = different problems. Some phones are more easy to make ports. And other fact is what the XSP developer community is not too big, we don't have much developers working on our phone. More popular phones have more developers, bringing ports more quickly. We have some devs working to bring Lollipop to us, already have a almost fully working build of 5.0 for LBL, which is more harder to port. Unlocked BL only maybe is coming soon. What rest for us is only wait. If someone can't wait is easy: just learn how to develop a ROM and build it for yourself.

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Different phones = different problems. Some phones are more easy to make ports. And other fact is what the XSP developer community is not too big, we don't have much developers working on our phone. More popular phones have more developers, bringing ports more quickly. We have some devs working to bring Lollipop to us, already have a almost fully working build of 5.0 for LBL, which is more harder to port. Unlocked BL only maybe is coming soon. What rest for us is only wait. If someone can't wait is easy: just learn how to develop a ROM and build it for yourself.
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If it works for LBL, it will definitely for UBL Just saying

bamiasHELLAS said:
If you didnt know yesterday the FXP team announced that it would begin lollipop nightlies for 12 Xperia devices, in which our SP isnt included. While reading the list with the 12 devices i realised that devices that are WAY less powerfull like the E3 will get support, and our device which in my expierience seems to run lollipop with ease doesnt get support.
This really frustrated me, as i dont understand why would they do that. Does anyone have an explanation ???
Btw happy holidays everyone
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Newer devices first.Even XZ is not listed,so there is no way SP could make up in the list.