OK. This is driving me slightly mad. I've tried this three times. Spent the entire day yesterday following the system/app and vender/app suggestions downloaded here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2000335. I've done countless hard factory resets, see all the little Androids with the triangle, all the "no, no, no, no, no,YES, no" page downs making sure you want to wipe, etc. Every time I do this and try to dl the Jelly Bean update, it fails. Interestingly, I have retained my root through this entire process and the splash screen that I reset a long time ago (I don't even recall how I did this or if that could be my issue--maybe there is one file someplace else causing the fail?) persists after I do the wipe.
Any suggestions? Last time I did this, I completely deleted the system/app files and replaced them with the ones from above. I've even let it "replace all" too, so I am pretty sure these files are "factory".
I'm moving to a Nexus 4 as soon as I can get one, but when I sell this phone, someone is going to want to upgrade. Now, every 8 hours, the danged phone tantalizes me with "upgrade available" and this is starting to annoy!
Any ideas?
CG
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OK. This is driving me slightly mad. I've tried this three times. Spent the entire day yesterday following the system/app and vender/app suggestions downloaded here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2000335. I've done countless hard factory resets, see all the little Androids with the triangle, all the "no, no, no, no, no,YES, no" page downs making sure you want to wipe, etc. Every time I do this and try to dl the Jelly Bean update, it fails. Interestingly, I have retained my root through this entire process and the splash screen that I reset a long time ago (I don't even recall how I did this or if that could be my issue--maybe there is one file someplace else causing the fail?) persists after I do the wipe.
Any suggestions? Last time I did this, I completely deleted the system/app files and replaced them with the ones from above. I've even let it "replace all" too, so I am pretty sure these files are "factory".
I'm moving to a Nexus 4 as soon as I can get one, but when I sell this phone, someone is going to want to upgrade. Now, every 8 hours, the danged phone tantalizes me with "upgrade available" and this is starting to annoy!
Any ideas?
CG
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i had trouble too and i follow this guide (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2050416) afterwards my ota jelly bean update went through.
or directly flash jelly bean http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1853517
I will try this . Thanks! CG
This worked!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2050416
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Ok, first of all I know it's been said not to mess with Framework. I read that too late =/
I was trying to install a status bar replacement, which overrides framework-res.apk. It sent it into reboot loop. I can get to recovery screen, but factory reset doesn't do anything of course.
I also can get to bootloader. It gives me the following:
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Bootloader
29.01
Battery OK
OK to program
Transfer mode:
USB
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It's connected through USB and bootloader recognizes that. My question - is there a way to push original framework-res.apk back to the phone or is it completely bricked?
I posted in an existing thread about this already, but figured I might have more luck with a new thread.
If you
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does it show up? I'm unfamiliar with this type of situation. =p
Oh sorry, forgot to mention that. adb devices doesn't show anything in either recovery nor bootloader.
When connecting through USB and starting bootloader, I can hear the sound of device found on my PC, but it doesn't get found and is listed as "S Flash OMAP3630 MI" with a ? mark in device manager.
Yikes, can't help you with the obvious then (just pushing framework-res.apk again).
Yeah, I was really hoping to somehow get in there with adb
As suggested in another thread, I tried applying .604 update, but it aborts when verifying current system with CityID.apk as a reason. I removed it along with other bloat from the phone.
Also when trying to remove app files I don't have on the phone from update.zip, it fails when verifying the update file.
hey its me again, take a look at this!
http://www.droidxforums.com/forum/d...your-x-stuck-bootloop-you-want-look-here.html
Thanks for the link!
That guy got lucky cause it bricked after he put all the bloatware back on the phone lol. So he had all the default apps. Mine gets stuck when verifying my system and complains about CityID.apk missing. And as we figured out, your previous suggestion with removing files from the zip messes up its integrity.
So I went to a Verizon store and got a replacement ordered. I was afraid they'd start asking if I'd rooted it, but apparently the guy helping me didn't even know what that is He tried a factory reset and then just ordered a new phone.
Thanks for your suggestions, guys!
He may not of known that the x has been rooted yet lol. Or you can just find something small and miniscule to complain about on you phone to get a new one. When the dare first came out I had a new one at the end of every month just for the fun of it. And they where always replaced with a brand new phone. Did that for atleast 5 months before getting a cheap wm phone because they felt bad about all the hassles I had.
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Did the same thing with mine, except my framework file is there, just renamed. I tried last night to figure out how to change the name back with adb but never could.
to the OP, how did you get to that Bootloader? The only thing I have been able to do is get into "Android System Recovery (2e)", which is done by holding Home while powering up the phone. If you hold Home, you'll get a screen with Android next to an exclamation point sign. At that screen you can press Search to open up the menu system, and then you have the ability to reboot, apply update.zip from microSD, wipe data/factory reset, and wipe cache partition.
I am trying to get into ADB so I can potentially work on this phone and fix it. At the moment I am boot looping like nobody's business
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Found the answer myself on this forum: "Hold down the power+vol down+camera button."
This works, but from what I can tell, it puts the phone into a basic USB flashing mode that is useful if you wanna reflash the ROM. At the moment there isn't anything available which could be flashed onto the phone (need to wait for an SFP file?), so I'm stuck waiting.
If/ when the 2.2 update leaks, I believe I can at least try to install that via MicroSD while in System Recovery Mode. I already unbricked my phone once by doing that, but then removed exactly the wrong APKs so now I cannot use that trick a second time
Yep, that was exactly my experience. If I didn't remove bloat apk's, I'd be able to apply .604 update, but...
And yeah, bootloader doesn't do much at this point since we have no way/no ROM's to load.
As far as I remember, Verizon have one month return policy, so I'd suggest just taking it to them. I had my replacement ordered with no questions asked. I just said I was installing an app and it rebooted and went into a loop.
Weirdest thing happens, I'll boot my DS7 and it's like if I just did a factory reset...every time. I'll customize my homescreens/gmail and what not, and do a normal reboot and it does a factory reset every time. I've read a few threads about similar topics and no one seems to know what's going on.
I've wiped data/cache/dalvik and fixed permissions, doesn't help. Re-install ROM, doesn't help.
I tried reflashing superuser.zip says installation aborted (bad). Same when I try to flash HC (yes, I'm still on Froyo).
Any clues ladies and genitals? Any help would be appreciated.
Sounds like you are experiencing the READ-ONLY bug that plagues this device. Hopefully it is still under warranty so that you can send it to Dell. Last summer I sent my Streak 7 to Dell. They repaired the read-only bug and had it back to my house in about 2 weeks.
Basically, what happens when your tablet goes into read-only mode... any updates, installs, customizing you do will be lost upon a reset... even though it appears like things are updating, they simply are not saved to the internal flash drive. Also, when it gets really bad some of the apps (along with the web browser) will start to get fatal errors.
That sounds about right, especially since even when I try to move a file from my netbook to the device (such as a new ROM to try to flash in CWM) it wont show up after I reboot either.
Don't think its under warranty anymore, dang.
Yes this is what happened to the one I got off Craigslist too the person I bought it from also changed his phone number instantly, so I got screwed but I'm in the process of getting a replacement or getting an extended warranty on it.
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Hey everyone,
so when I did a reboot, the first message I see when I rolled down the notification draw was "Preparing SD card. Checking for errors". No matter what I do, the message stays there. Can't even clear it from the notification drawer. I tried taking a screenshot of it, but another message came up: "Couldn't capture screenshot. Couldn't save screenshot. Storage ma (can't see the rest of the text).
I have tried the AIO-Toolkit (twice!) where I completely formatted the partition etc. but this message keeps popping up and the phone is sh*t like this so I am looking for a solution.
Running PA11, this is the first time I run into this with my 2 years of O2X'ism. Will try a stock ICS ROM straight from LG, but I highly doubt it will have any effect on this.
Any help is greatly appreciated!!
Thanks in advance.
-Custom40
Update: Something must have been really currupted. Downloaded original V30A kdz, and the phone froze at bootup. Even AIO-Toolkit couldn't fix this.
So I went looking for a ROM that gets installed through NVFlash (found Homero's ICS ROM) which formats the entire phone. That seems to have fixed it. Back on PA11 now, time to throw a party!
Found my fire tablet with a black screen and in Amazon system recovery <3e> this morning - not sure how it got into that state & how to get out of it. To my knowledge I didn't press any combination of keys that would get me into that state. It had been only very low battery when I plugged it into the electrical socket last night but I didn't touch it until the morning when I found it in this black screen state.
From searching I think this is the Amazon version of Android System Recovery screen. The exact options are:
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Amazon system recovery <3>
Volume up/down to move highlight;
enter button to select.
reboot system now
apply update from ADB
wipe data/factory reset
wipe cache partition
reboot to bootloader
power down
view recovery logs
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I haven't rooted the tablet although I did apply the "Installing Google Framework/Playstore without Root (5th Gen Amazon Fire 2015)"
(http://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/installing-google-framework-playstore-t3216122)
I've had it for about a month without problems although a couple of days ago it kept trying to update several times in succession.
It has attempted to update a couple of times in the past, which put me into a panic at the time but when I'd check afterwards it would still show 5.0.1. firmware. Also the difference this time was that in the past it would only attempt to update the once, not several times in succession.
I'd assumed that installing "Installing Google Framework/Playstore without Root (5th Gen Amazon Fire 2015)" doesn't stop the fire downloading updates but prevents them being installed. So when it happened in the past I didn't worry.
I'm not sure what to do (logically I'd assume I should just select the 1st option and reboot) but I'm not sure how I even got into this screen and if there's a reason for it so hoped someone might be able to advise me.
With thanks & crossed fingers
Frankie
Sorry - one other question!
Which key is the "enter button"?
FrankieChen said:
Sorry - one other question!
Which key is the "enter button"?
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I've not used it but as we only have three buttons I'm going with the power button.
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I've not used it but as we only have three buttons I'm going with the power button.
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That's what I suspected!
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Well I ran out of power so the tablet switched off.
When I plugged it into an electricity socket, I decided to try the "reboot system now" option but it just rebooted and cam back to the same screen. I tried it about 4 times with the same result so I tried the "power down" option but it still returned to the same screen when switched back on.
Would really appreciate anyone's help.
Hmm, is there anything in the recovery logs?
Maybe reboot to bootloader, and see if it'll let you twrp to it from a pc, head to the twrp thread and grab the files.
fastboot boot TWRP_Fire_2.8.7.0.img
If it'll do that it's not on 5.1.1 at least, if not it might have tried to get there.
I haven't followed your instructions yet as after I posted last, it started to flash an error message along the lines of battery was too low to "factory reset" and something else - I don't recall what though. I didn't actually select any options apart from reboot and power down.
It was plugged in at the time but I unplugged it & replugged it in, in case for some reason it wasn't charging.
Since then the error message has stopped flashing and I just have a blank screen although you can see it is backlit. Pressing the power button has no effect
And that's on the charger it came with?
It's not looking good.
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...I haven't rooted the tablet although I did apply the "Installing Google Framework/Playstore...
...I'd assumed that installing "Installing Google Framework/Playstore without Root (5th Gen Amazon Fire 2015)" doesn't stop the fire downloading updates but prevents them being installed....
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I know this doesn't help your current situation, but just FYI, neither root nor google framework have anything to do with OTA updates. Only hiding/disabling/deleting the OTA related apks will prevent updates.
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I know this doesn't help your current situation, but just FYI, neither root nor google framework have anything to do with OTA updates. Only hiding/disabling/deleting the OTA related apks will prevent updates.
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True but the thread he's referring to does offer that function as an option in the batch file.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/installing-google-framework-playstore-t3216122
Tomsgt has put together a little install bat (Amazon-Fire-5th-Gen-Install-Play-Store.zip)
Now includes Removing Advertising and Blocks Over the Air System Updates (02 Nov 2015)
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I know this doesn't help your current situation, but just FYI, neither root nor google framework have anything to do with OTA updates. Only hiding/disabling/deleting the OTA related apks will prevent updates.
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It's still useful information - thanks
It's on the charger it came with and it has finally returned to the same Amazon system recovery screen.
In regards to preventing the updates - I think I did that when I installed the google apps but it was the 1st time i ever did this (it's my 1st tablet), and as it was over a month ago I can't be sure - this is all very new to me.
There are 4 recovery logs, completely meaningless to me.
/cache/recovery/last_kmsg
/cache/recovery/last_log
/cache/recovery/last_log1
/cache/recovery/last_log2
the kmsg log zooms past too fast to read with endless pages dealing with "swapper/0"
the last_log seems to have stuff reffering to tzdata, build, product.cpu, ro.product, dalvik and so on . Log1 and log2 seem to be similar stuff but shorter.
Any idea what I should be looking for?
I hoped it would be readable, build number might yield clues.
Given it will show something seems worth trying to see if twrp can see it in bootloader.
It may not have any thing to do with the updates as it was working after the updates had tried to install though I have to admit I only used it for a few minutes and I didn't check it before I plugged it in to charge the night before I found the black screen.
I don't actually have a clue what you mean when you say "twrp can see it in bootloader." so I will have to spend some time reading the forums to figure out what to do.
In desperation this morning I took the wipe data/factory reset option but it didn't work. It returned with the same screen and the error message
E:Error in /cache/recovery/dropbox_last_kmsg (Read-only file system)
I had installed the dropbox app but I had never actually signed in so there wouldn't be any data there.
After rebooting and being returned to the same screen, I attempted again to wipe data/factory reset.
This time it gave the message "data wipe complete" but still returned to the Recovery screen.
I've read the term "bricked" in several of the forums - is this what has happened to my device?
I wondered if I should contact Amazon about it as it's still under warranty but wondered if by installing gapps (and most likely having prevented updates as I followed all the instructions), whether I'd have invalidated my warranty.
FrankieChen said:
After rebooting and being returned to the same screen, I attempted again to wipe data/factory reset.
This time it gave the message "data wipe complete" but still returned to the Recovery screen.
I've read the term "bricked" in several of the forums - is this what has happened to my device?
I wondered if I should contact Amazon about it as it's still under warranty but wondered if by installing gapps (and most likely having prevented updates as I followed all the instructions), whether I'd have invalidated my warranty.
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At this point, if you have adb drivers (or are comfortable installing them) you may as well try sideloading an update bin file. Links are here. I'd get the 3820 file.
If you want to do this, post back and I or someone will give you the steps. Otherwise, Amazon has been good about replacing tablets if you just describe what you say in the 1st paragraph of your post.
FrankieChen said:
It may not have any thing to do with the updates as it was working after the updates had tried to install though I have to admit I only used it for a few minutes and I didn't check it before I plugged it in to charge the night before I found the black screen.
I don't actually have a clue what you mean when you say "twrp can see it in bootloader." so I will have to spend some time reading the forums to figure out what to do.
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use the reboot to bootloader option
set pc up with fastboot and see if it can be booted into twrp by fastboot
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63635664&postcount=9
http://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/orig-development/twrp-recovery-t3242548
Thank you for the replies. Sorry not to have responded earlier, I had a busy few days and although I have spent a lot of hours trying to read through the forums and find out about twrp, this is the 1st opportunity I have had to get back to trying to resolve the problem.
If I understand correctly, DoLooper has suggested sideloading an update bin file. (3820). I just started trying to do this but as the file to be downloaded is over 600MB and I am on a very slow connection it's showing it's going to take between 7-8 hours to download. If I take this option I will need to wait until tomorrow when I can get to a faster internet.
Pond-life, you have suggested that I
1. "use the reboot to bootloader option"
I'm presuming that this means that I have to select this option from the recovery screen on the tablet - does the tablet have to be attached to the pc via the USB cable when I select the option?
What should I expect once I have selected this option?
Would the tablet not need to be rooted to access the bootloader (as it isn't)?
2. "set pc up with fastboot and see if it can be booted into twrp by fastboot"
When I 1st got the tablet I had difficulties getting the adb drivers to install on my pc and after several days of trying I ended up doing it on another pc which I no longer have access to.
I have tried again to reinstall the drivers using rootjunkies file but again without success. I tried doing it using that method as I remember trying to do it that way (what felt like a billion times) though I don't remember if I finally ended up succeeding with that method or another.
I followed your link "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63635664&postcount=9" and tried the 1st method
"[TOOL] [WINDOWS] ADB, Fastboot and Drivers - 15 seconds ADB Installer v1.4.3 by Snoop05"
running the "adb-setup-1.4.3.exe" I get "0 files copied" after selecting "Yes to install ADB system-wide" which I recall was the problem (zero files copied) that I had previously.
Openning Device Manager after this does show any Fire or Android devices even when the tablet is connected so I'm assuming that the adb driver installation is failing.
I tried again with "adb-setup-1.3.exe". This time I had 4 files copied and got fire listed in the device manager but when I tried to update the driver I am not given the Android option in the list when I select the option to install driver.
I googled to see if anyone else had this error and I found that some peoplehad difficulties installing on XP but seems that MTP not being supported is the reason and it is resolved by installing WMP v10 and above. I have v11 so presume that's not the problem.
I don't have access to another computer at the moment to try and install the adb drivers but should be able to use another one tomorrow. Last time when I got the drivers to install it was on a vista machine so I wondered if that might have something to do with it.
The other thing that occurred to me was maybe there is something wrong with the cable as I only get the fire shown in the device manager for a few moments before it refreshes and then the fire is no longer shown.
I wondered if I should try to use USBDeview (as per http://www.inlovewithandroid.com/android-usb-connection-problems.html) to see if that is the problem. Certainly if I can the drivers installed on another pc it might suggest that there's a problem with mine.
Anyway, if I get the adb drivers to install successfully on another pc, could you explain what I am trying to do by "booted into twrp by fastboot"? Sorry to be so useless!
Huge thanks
Yeah the files needed will all be pretty hefty. So if thinking about going to a custom rom this would be a good time. Though wouldn't download one or the stock until you've seen if you can use it.
1. Yeah I did mean choose that option on that menu you have onscreen. Doesn't need to be attached to go to the screen technically, but won't be able to do anything there until it is connected so no benefit in not waiting until you are. No doesn't need to be rooted. You'd expect it to go to an almost blank screen with =>FASTBOOT mode.... on it in landscape.
2. On plus side you wouldn't need the adb drivers... But the fastboot ones are probably similarly tricky. These ones worked for me https://developer.amazon.com/appsan...etting-up-your-kindle-fire-tablet-for-testing
Though I've not used XP.
If it will fastboot into twrp then you can put the original stock rom on or either of the custom ones from there, so it's not dead and can get to downloading. (or 5.1.1 stock using the safe twrp method)
Did you use a different cable on the machine you got it to work on then? If not probably not the cable.
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Yeah the files needed will all be pretty hefty. So if thinking about going to a custom rom this would be a good time. Though wouldn't download one or the stock until you've seen if you can use it.
1. Yeah I did mean choose that option on that menu you have onscreen. Doesn't need to be attached to go to the screen technically, but won't be able to do anything there until it is connected so no benefit in not waiting until you are. No doesn't need to be rooted. You'd expect it to go to an almost blank screen with =>FASTBOOT mode.... on it in landscape.
2. On plus side you wouldn't need the adb drivers... But the fastboot ones are probably similarly tricky. These ones worked for me https://developer.amazon.com/appsan...etting-up-your-kindle-fire-tablet-for-testing
Though I've not used XP.
If it will fastboot into twrp then you can put the original stock rom on or either of the custom ones from there, so it's not dead and can get to downloading. (or 5.1.1 stock using the safe twrp method)
Did you use a different cable on the machine you got it to work on then? If not probably not the cable.
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Thanks for all your help Pond Life.
I had such difficulties get the files to download that in the end I gave up and rang Amazon and they offered to send me a replacement.
Sorry to bail out, this is all new to me and most of what everyone has said has me completely baffled so I've decided to take the easy way out.
Thank you again - I really appreciated all your advice.
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Thanks for all your help Pond Life.
I had such difficulties get the files to download that in the end I gave up and rang Amazon and they offered to send me a replacement.
Sorry to bail out, this is all new to me and most of what everyone has said has me completely baffled so I've decided to take the easy way out.
Thank you again - I really appreciated all your advice.
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Better luck with the new one
Hey folks, first thread ever, I really need help with this troubled N910T, DOK2, Android 5.1.1
Whats wrong with this phone:
The contact app will stop everytime I open it, since contact app is combined into Phone app, so the Phone app will also stop everytime I click on it. However, the situation will be fixed if I change the locale to English. (The phone belongs to a Asian friend)
One of the instant message app, the Wechat, similar to Whatsapp Messager and Facebook Messager, will not receive any kind of notification, at all.
The phone's battery drop from 50% to 1% then turn off itself in minutes.
The last two problems may be unrelated issues to the first one, and that is not the main reason I'm really here. I have ODIN flashed the latest firmware over 10 times and all THREE of the problems still exist after all that.
And whats bothering me is that ODIN flash firmware WILL NOT FACTORY RESET this phone, that doesn't make any sense to me. Please let me know if I make a mistake about that, because every other phone or tablet I have worked on before will always be factory reset after flashing a OEM firmware.
I have also flahed TWRP and wiped everything from the System to the internal storage and reflash the firmware but the problem is still there.
sort of things have been done to the phone may have something to do with the problems:
installed the zips I got from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...pt-touchwiz-bloating-script-222-apps-t3258537
it debloated the phone.
the phone was lost in a rainy day, found again two days later. Remote lock and wipe preformed via Android Device Manager but the wipe process never go through.
Please let me know if the phone is worth saving at all, I have spent days in this phone fixing and researching for solution. I found no similar issue around here, and the phone is out of warranty.
Thank you and please let me know should I throw this thing away.
Battery needs to be replaced. Are you sure you flashed right firmware for 910t not 910t3?
darekz said:
Battery needs to be replaced. Are you sure you flashed right firmware for 910t not 910t3?
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It's a N910T, and the ODIN sucessfully passed everytime but will not factory reset the phone,.
Have you tried going into recovery and factory reset it yourself
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Have you tried going into recovery and factory reset it yourself
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Many times already.
If you haven't done so, you may want to do a clean install which means wiping system, data, dalvik and cache at least three times in custom recovery such as TWRP. Then you can try ODIN baseband, bootloader, rom and kernel (if rom doesn't contain one), custom recovery. Next you boot into customer recovery again and do a factory reset and that should do it. Let me know if that helps.
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Hey folks, first thread ever, I really need help with this troubled N910T, DOK2, Android 5.1.1
Whats wrong with this phone:
The contact app will stop everytime I open it, since contact app is combined into Phone app, so the Phone app will also stop everytime I click on it. However, the situation will be fixed if I change the locale to English. (The phone belongs to a Asian friend)
One of the instant message app, the Wechat, similar to Whatsapp Messager and Facebook Messager, will not receive any kind of notification, at all.
The phone's battery drop from 50% to 1% then turn off itself in minutes.
The last two problems may be unrelated issues to the first one, and that is not the main reason I'm really here. I have ODIN flashed the latest firmware over 10 times and all THREE of the problems still exist after all that.
And whats bothering me is that ODIN flash firmware WILL NOT FACTORY RESET this phone, that doesn't make any sense to me. Please let me know if I make a mistake about that, because every other phone or tablet I have worked on before will always be factory reset after flashing a OEM firmware.
I have also flahed TWRP and wiped everything from the System to the internal storage and reflash the firmware but the problem is still there.
sort of things have been done to the phone may have something to do with the problems:
installed the zips I got from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...pt-touchwiz-bloating-script-222-apps-t3258537
it debloated the phone.
the phone was lost in a rainy day, found again two days later. Remote lock and wipe preformed via Android Device Manager but the wipe process never go through.
Please let me know if the phone is worth saving at all, I have spent days in this phone fixing and researching for solution. I found no similar issue around here, and the phone is out of warranty.
Thank you and please let me know should I throw this thing away.
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