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hi. thanks truly for reading this.
i was reading through this forum and i was going to buy a SD card (sandisk class 4, everyone seems to agree is best).
people say it doesn't matter what size you buy if i'm just going to stick with one rom like cm7.
what i am confused is people also say that an advantage to rooting vs putting it on my sd card is seomthing about APPS downloading.
i'm confused, can i not use apps or download a lot of apps if i use an SD card? if i buy a big sd card (16gb), shouldn't i have a lot of space?
last question. is the sd card people are buying the sandisk ultra series like the one below?
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra...7HQK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1308541691&sr=8-2
I just did this the other day and had a million questions (that people helped me with), so I can definitely give you an amateur's perspective (although I did a lot of reading here beforehand).
Yes, it seems SanDisk is the card to use, and not too high a class. This is the one I used: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001B1AR50
and it works great.
I put the CM7 on the card because I want to be able to revert the Nook to the original system without a lot of fuss. And I also didn't want to risk screwing things up. I have never rooted my phones, but when I saw this using the sd card, I was all over it.
It is my understanding if you install to the sd card, it occupies it entirely and you don't have it available for extra storage. I'm sure someone will come around and correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know if you could partition it, but that's over my level. So rooting the device would give you more room on a card for apps and media if you need it. But you can still install tons of apps directly on the NC. I think people who actually install movies would run out of space pretty quick, but other than that, not so much.
I followed verygreen's directions very carefully (and still had questions), and things worked out really great. I think the NC with mods is totally unbeatable. And these people here who do all the work so we can enjoy it are amazing.
I used a combination of these links for the process yesterday:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000957
http://quinxy.com/2011/04/01/comple...c4-android-2-3-gingerbread-on-the-nook-color/
Maybe it depends on what ROM you are using but from my experience you should still have room left on the MicroSD afterward for installing apps. I used Racks11479 Phiremod/Honeycomb dualboot image for mine and still have over 4 GB left on my SD card partition using an 8 GB Sandisk MicroSD. The instructions I used are located here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1045018
When you burn an OS to a card, you are actually burning the OS to one partition of many on that physical card.
Typically you'll still have a large partition called 'SDCARD' which acts like an SD card, but is still on the same physical card.
So moving files from 'phone' to 'SDCARD' just changes if they are in the 'apps' parition or the 'SDCARD' partition -- they're still on the same physical device.
The emmc (internal) memory is not accessible when running a ROM from the SDCARD (unless you do something to change that fact).
thank you very much for the replies.
just to confirm, are the sandisk ULTRA cards the one people are buying to use with it?
My Class 4 Sandisk 16gb did not say Ultra though it is probably fine regardless since the consensu is Sandisk seems to be a reliable maker.
CM 7 on the uSD makes four partitions. 1st partition is called boot. 2nd and 3rd partition are not accessible. 4th partition is the largest, and is for storage of Apps, music, videos, etcl. On a 16gb card, you have about 13gbs in that 4th partition so it should be plenty for loading up stuff.
LBN1 said:
My Class 4 Sandisk 16gb did not say Ultra though it is probably fine regardless since the consensu is Sandisk seems to be a reliable maker.
CM 7 on the uSD makes four partitions. 1st partition is called boot. 2nd and 3rd partition are not accessible. 4th partition is the largest, and is for storage of Apps, music, videos, etcl. On a 16gb card, you have about 13gbs in that 4th partition so it should be plenty for loading up stuff.
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many thanks mate. this was actually the answer i was looking for exactly.
So it seems that the Kingmax 64gb microsdxc card doesn't work with the Tab. Hardly unexpected but hey you never know until you try. It just keeps asking me to format it over and over again.
Oh well, it works fine on my gs2
As far as i know, the tab only support 32GB sdcard.
More specifically, the microsdhc spec supports up to 32gb. Usually when they say a device only supports 32gb it's because it uses this spec so it implies this limit. But some newer devices specifiy microsdhc however they can use more than the 32gb limit. So that was my hope here.
Got it, so is a limitation about the sdcard tec, not a limit of tab hardware...
Well maybe both. Who knows. Maybe it's a good excuse for me to start cooking roms and writing kernels.
Back in the day...
Back in the old days, my old HTC XDA Exec, was not compatible with the new fangled technology of SDHC, and was only able to read SD until some enterprizing folks here at XDA created some updated drivers for it.
Remember the form factor is identical, only the file system (I believe, I may be wrong) of the SD/SDHC/SDXC system changes.
Hopefully someone can get the drivers from a device that does support SDXC to work with the Tabs SDHC reader.
I think your hardware actually has to support the new format, not just the software. My guess is that your old HTC actually supported SDHC at the hardware level, just not at the software level yet. I have a card reader in my desktop as well as one in my laptop that will only read SD, not SDHC, regardless of the size. I am pretty sure SDHC slots will never be able to read SDXC unless the hardware was actually built to support it, but we'll see.
What are you filling your Tab with?
I have been using my tab for over 6 months now and still have not used over 4GB, so the 16GB it has internally was always more than enough. I wonder what all of you are using the space for? Are you loading it with movies & Music or what else?
Any way you can always get the connector to attach a USB storage to your tablet and plugin an extra storage when needed. I mean you can archive your old movies & music to an external USB Drive!
digg1980 said:
I have been using my tab for over 6 months now and still have not used over 4GB, so the 16GB it has internally was always more than enough. I wonder what all of you are using the space for? Are you loading it with movies & Music or what else?
Any way you can always get the connector to attach a USB storage to your tablet and plugin an extra storage when needed. I mean you can archive your old movies & music to an external USB Drive!
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Yeah, but who the $*%& want's to carry around an external when it could all be internal
Another idea, and I read through the thread and didn't see this mentioned. Would it matter if the card was broken up into two 32GB partitions?
This just made me think of this, does anyone know a partition type for android that would allow file transfer to SD Card over 4 GB? I've always thought that was a FAT limitation (which it is) but hadn't considered other supported format types that might allow for the bigger transfers but also be recognized by Android.
Now that's a burning question!
Most roms are ext4. Try using that. Downside, your windows boxes won't support these out of box
Thanks for the advice about the custom rom. I might give that a shot.
As for why I use this much, this tab is my car stereo so that means lots of music and movies for long trips. It's easy to eat up a lot of space that way.
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Most roms are ext4. Try using that. Downside, your windows boxes won't support these out of box
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Tried it, didn't work because I think Android is expecting it to be FAT32 when it's inserted. I wonder if there is a ROM out that would allow for EXT4 SD cards instead of having to use FAT32? Anyone heard of anything like that?
matt.wolfley said:
Tried it, didn't work because I think Android is expecting it to be FAT32 when it's inserted. I wonder if there is a ROM out that would allow for EXT4 SD cards instead of having to use FAT32? Anyone heard of anything like that?
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My understanding of this might not be correct but I think fat32 shouldn't be an issue. The 64gb card I got is fat32 and my gs2 seems to use it fine.
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Tried it, didn't work because I think Android is expecting it to be FAT32 when it's inserted. I wonder if there is a ROM out that would allow for EXT4 SD cards instead of having to use FAT32? Anyone heard of anything like that?
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Also, which custom rom did you use?
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My understanding of this might not be correct but I think fat32 shouldn't be an issue. The 64gb card I got is fat32 and my gs2 seems to use it fine.
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Sorry, I kinda hijacked your thread. I was just thinking if you created two 32 GB partitions to see if it was a capacity limitation. I'm not using a custom rom right now, I was just wondering if there was a rom that would allow you to use ext4 on an as card for large file transfer. 64 GB would do me little good without alleviating the limitations of fat 32.
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I think TAB support maximum SD card is 32G... or u can try different format, it might be work....
Well after much wrestling with Odin I managed to flash Roderick's ef17 kernel and now the 64gb card works, Sky Wizard be praised!!
I don't know if it was the kernel or if my Tab was messed up. And video seems choppy, I'm not sure if it's a slow card or something else yet.
I don't understand why the SD card was partitioned this way. On my SGS it had 2GB for app/system and ~13GB usable.
But the Raider has 8.83GB usable 3.42GB internal which equals to 12.25GB what about the other 4GB.
With 16GB i would expect at least 14GB of usable storage weather they be system or for music/videos.
The way hTC partitioned the SD card is very weird is there any way to re-partition so we get more usable storage then 8.83GB?
Advertising 16GB and only getting 8.83 usable seems like a huge lie in my opinion.
I don't understand their reasoning either lol. I have been wondering why it is like this too
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That's different. The Vivid has 8.83GB of phone storage and 3.7GB internal storage. Making a total of 12.53GB out of 16. With the Android OS and the Sense UI, 3.46GB is being used to support them. I think HTC did it that way since they didn't include an SD card with it. Especially since the internal storage acts as an SD card, cause that is where apps go when you move them to SD. Also could be that they wanted you to maximize available space on your SD card for music, pictures, and videos.
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on the HTC site for the velocity it says
"Available storage: up to 13 GB"
on the HTC site forthe Vivid it says
"16 GB eMMC"
So it seems a little missleading, but it doesnt technically say that 16GB would be available.
There may be a way to flash a new partition layout via CWM, no doubt it would be fraught with danger.
davidcampbell said:
on the HTC site for the velocity it says
"Available storage: up to 13 GB"
on the HTC site forthe Vivid it says
"16 GB eMMC"
So it seems a little missleading, but it doesnt technically say that 16GB would be available.
There may be a way to flash a new partition layout via CWM, no doubt it would be fraught with danger.
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All spec listings for the Velocity show 16GB storage with 13GB user available, The Vivid listings only show 16GB and doesn't show how much is available to the user. I don't know why they show user available for the Velocity and not the Vivid. Here are more differences between the Velocity and Vivid. Base OS for Velocity is Android 2.3.7, Vivid has 2.3.4. Sense version for Velocity is 3.5, Vivid has 3.0.
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Still seems like a lie to me, it say 16GB then i would think i would have that for storage. By doing it this way you get very little for storage, really get half of what was advertised.
Sure part of it was for apps but the way Samsung partitioned was nice and made sense this however is limiting the user, I may not have a lot of apps so space is just sitting there and cannot be used. 8GB is easy to fill having 13GB is still not enough but that's what the micro SD card is for but still better then 8GB which is extremely low for a device.
On the SGS any large app was installed on user usable storage, which gave the user control to delete it if needed. I have a few games that i had installed that downloaded 500MB for which i cannot delete because its not on user usable storage.
I can't think of a single electronic device that has an OS that doesn't advertise the size of the full HDD. When you buy a PC you expect a portion of the HDD will be used for Windows, when you buy a phone you should expect the same IMO. It would be different if there was internal storage for the OS and you were talking about the external SD. In any case, swing by Newegg and pick up an SD for cheap and it won't be an issue.
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hehe your point is valid, I would just rather not have ~4GB partitioned just for OS 2GB is enough. If an app needs room it can install on the user usable partition (Phone Storage).
Actually i have a 32GB card in the phone and not running out of space per-say. But i have a 2 hour commute everyday and lots of music and Shows that i watch.
Its not a deal breaker just seems a little weird coming from SGS which kept it very simple resulting in more usable storage for music and videos.
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I can't think of a single electronic device that has an OS that doesn't advertise the size of the full HDD. When you buy a PC you expect a portion of the HDD will be used for Windows, when you buy a phone you should expect the same IMO. It would be different if there was internal storage for the OS and you were talking about the external SD. In any case, swing by Newegg and pick up an SD for cheap and it won't be an issue.
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The operating system (linux) does report the sizes, but the front end gui (android) does not as it is not written that way.
It is anoying, but thankfully you have an expansion slot
TL;DR I have a cool, but hypothetical, idea for an alternate non-cloud way to access your data
There are many threads in which people are asking (and a few hyper-ventilating and a few ranting) about how they are to access non-cloud data on an N7 in light of the Nexus 7's lack of an SD-card reader. Just to name a few threads, there are: OTG USB cable, Questions About Specs OTG or WIFI Direct, The N7 Supports OTG Through Root, HDMI out and OTG Support and For Those Worried About Lack of Storage (USB-OTG Discussion Thread). And that's just for starters. As of this writing (which may be expired, null and void by tomorrow), the options seemed to boil down like this:
1. OTG (on-the-go) use of USB-based storage. Whether this refers to a way to read a memory card, such as an SD Card, or reading from a thumb/jump/flash drive or from an external USB HDD (hard disk drive) or external USB SSD (solid-state drive).
Concerns and Disadvantages: We don't know yet the voltage of the USB port (or the electrical current load it can sustain), but it's starting to look like maybe 3.3 volts is all she wrote. If that's true, then virtually nothing that is currently available will run off the USB port unless you put a powered USB hub between the N7 and whatever you're trying to read-write from.
I don't know how you feel about dongl'ing a powered hub (or battery-powered hub) between your N7 and your storage (whether that's an SD card in a card-reader or a thumb/jump/flash drive or whatever) , but that's a lot of stuff daisy-chained onto your tablet. Perhaps acceptable when you're at home, but it's sort of Rube Goldberg-ish to think of doing that on the road, in a plane, at a coffee shop. at work....
2. PRIVATE CLOUD. Devices such as the Seagate Satellite (500gb) and the various models (64gb, 32b, 16gb) of the Kensington Wi-Drive have an on-board server and WIFI wireless access point. The Seagate claims 7+ hours (6+ in my experience based on heavy ues) and the Kensington about 4 hours. Other than turning it on, you can leave it in your pocket, backpack, purse or attaché, and it will serve, by wifi, whatever you want.
Concerns and Disadvantages: The 500gb Seagate Satellite is about $150 (if you shop hard). The 32gb Wi-Drive is about $85 and the 64gb Wi-Drive is about $180.
The Satellite is bigger than than the Wi-Drive, but both are bigger than you probably want to haul around with you.
I might... maybe... possibly... have a better idea. But it's hypothetical for the moment.
The Satellite and Wi-Drive have on-board computers (on a chip) and WIFI hardware, but their overall size is maybe more than you want. But if you removed the drive (on the Satellite) or the flash memory (on the Wi-Drive), it would not be so big, even with the battery.
What about a device like the Satellite / Wi-Drive that just reads SD Cards instead? The Satellite and the Wi-Drive are just Linux computers-on-a-chip with a battery. They're sort of like this, I guess. Anyway, what if someone manufactured a battery-powered device whose only job was to serve up, by WIFI (and to create the WIFI environment, as needed) whatver storage appeared on a memory card, such as an SD Card?
What would you pay for something like that?
Heck, I bet that many... several... a few people on this forum could take off-the-shelf components (a Linux computer-on-a-board, WIFI circuitry and a battery, plus a card reader/writer) and make it all work -- and sell it for under $99.
Google / Amazon / Apple / Big Brother, may want us to live within a "cloud envionment" but we don't have to accept that.
Like this?
http://www.airstash.com/
Although I don't think this one will allow wifi passthrough unfortunately.
NikonUser said:
Like this?
http://www.airstash.com/
Although I don't think this one will allow wifi passthrough unfortunately.
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Hmmm... perhaps... maybe... I'm not quite the genius that I pretend to be. But thanks, though, I'll look into the AirStash. It seems just a tad overpriced, but it (and the Wi-Drive and the Satellite) is still a solution to nearly everbody's gripe about the N7 with respect to lack of an SD Card slot.
Not sure if i am missing something here but i just use the 64gb sd card on my galaxy note and my to it to access data stored there. I'll do the same with the nexus 7
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animatechnica said:
Not sure if i am missing something here but i just use the 64gb sd card on my galaxy note and my to it to access data stored there. I'll do the same with the nexus 7
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It doesn't have a SD slot not have the support for USB OTG storage (per Anandtech.com).
hey i found the wi drive 16gb for $48.95 its not bad considering that going from 8 to 16 gb cost $50 from the google play store
http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Wi-Drive-External-WID-16GBZ/dp/B00576APBQ/ref=pd_cp_e_1
If I tether my phone (razr retail.en.eu stock) i can use wifi file explorer https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dooblou.WiFiFileExplorerPRO&hl=en to browse the files on my phone including the sd card.
Total price £0.59 no extra equipment needed. Not sure if the free version works.
Tested on transformer
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NikonUser said:
Like this?
http://www.airstash.com/
Although I don't think this one will allow wifi passthrough unfortunately.
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That thing is really cool! I might just have to order one According to their website they do have a beta app that allows wifi passthrough.
foxbat121 said:
It doesn't have a SD slot not have the support for USB OTG storage (per Anandtech.com).
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Note: it will not be supported natively. I'll bet XDA users will have this soon...
gbroon said:
If I tether my phone (razr retail.en.eu stock) i can use wifi file explorer https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dooblou.WiFiFileExplorerPRO&hl=en to browse the files on my phone including the sd card.
Total price £0.59 no extra equipment needed. Not sure if the free version works.
Tested on transformer
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ES File Explorer will also allow you to do this. It let's you read from LAN, FTP, BT....etc. I was just streaming a movie from my laptop to my Cappy using ES before checking in here. So I'm thinking it may be a viable option when tethering the tablet to my phone except I'll be serving the content from either my phone's internal storage or it's ext sd card.
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SoonerLater said:
TL;DR We don't know yet the voltage of the USB port (or the electrical current load it can sustain), but it's starting to look like maybe 3.3 volts is all she wrote.
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Maybe I'm missing something but isn't the USB standard 5V? Seems to me nothing would run, including the controllers and such that are supposed to work(?), if 5V was not there. Unless it is something nasty like proprietary accessories only.
As far as current goes, I would think it would support at least a unit load of 100mA if it is standard compliant. I figured this would be enough for sticks or card readers but surprisingly I checked the units that I have and apparently the card reader wants 250 mA, the 8 and 16GB sticks want 300 mA and the tiny 32GB stick I bought last week for cheap wants the full 500 mA. No idea they were so hungry (maybe they aren't and just set high amounts anyways), that might blow my hopes of hooking up that tiny 32GB stick on the go out of the water... I wonder what the guys have have been playing with hooking up mass storage have been using.
NikonUser said:
Like this?
http://www.airstash.com/
Although I don't think this one will allow wifi passthrough unfortunately.
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Thanks for not calling me a dumba~~. If I'd posted the same thing on Reddit.com/r/android, within 15 minutes there would have been 20 people calling me an idiot for being unaware of the AirStash.
While XDA isn't immune to the occasional flame war or troll, the level of discourse here and the desire to help each other is really fantastic. I am so thankful for XDA.
I don't get why this is even being discussed. Either 8/16gb is enough for you or this tablet is NOT for you. If you need more storage, you either need 3/4g or an SD card slot and you need to move on. Who is going to walk around with a wifi hard drive in their pocket (not to mention keeping both charged)? Who is going to use a tablet with a hub and a hard drive attached to it? Who is going to use a tablet with a flash drive hanging out of it held in place only by a fragile little micro USB plug? All these solutions mean you'd be better off using a computer.
Either tether it with your phone, only use it at home or forget about it.
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I don't get why this is even being discussed. Either 8/16gb is enough for you or this tablet is NOT for you. If you need more storage, you either need 3/4g or an SD card slot and you need to move on. Who is going to walk around with a wifi hard drive in their pocket (not to mention keeping both charged)? Who is going to use a tablet with a hub and a hard drive attached to it? Who is going to use a tablet with a flash drive hanging out of it held in place only by a fragile little micro USB plug? All these solutions mean you'd be better off using a computer.
Either tether it with your phone, only use it at home or forget about it.
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I might just because I can.
For the most part I just want a bigger screen to watch movies, browse the internet, and remotely connect to my computer and server and display the x11 using nvc, my phone is too small for it.
16 GB should be fine. I have 2TB on my server for cloud at home and on the go.
But if I could just plug in a usb to the tablet then that would be fine too.
I'm wondering if the on board storage is going to be one storage pool or broken up like the EVO LTE?
On the EVO HTC set up two storage pools. One for apps one for everything else. The app storage is only 2gb. With some games being so large i have ran out of space.
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I would actually like to know this as well. This split storage business really annoyed me on the One X.
it should be the same as One X. So most likely only 25gb would be left for the media storage, 2gb for /data or should I say app storage and 5gb for system storage
Riyal said:
it should be the same as One X. So most likely only 25gb would be left for the media storage, 2gb for /data or should I say app storage and 5gb for system storage
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The one x+ has a combined media storage and data partition so I think they will go that route
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