Ok well I am considering purchasing a unlocked AT&T Tilt, but I have been reading a bit about the 3G. Currently I am a T-Mobile customer and have read they will be operating on a different band frequency for their 3G. T-Mobile will be using 1700/2100MHZ while AT&T operates on 1900/2100MHZ. Will the 3G on the phone still be compatible?
Please someone clear this up
Appreciate it
Kaiser uses (under the Band options for the phone settings)
GSM (So gprs, edge) 850, 900, 1800, 1900.
UMTS (3G, HSPDA where available) 800, 850, 1900, 2100.
So it would be partially compatible, but only on 1900 cells, not the 1700 ones. These might co-exist like in the UK where some operators use all the frequencies for better bandwidth, or they might not. I'd check with T-Mobile what frequencies are operating in the areas you'll use the phone.
Well I live in the US and they still have not rolled out the 3G network here, they said sometime by summer. So if they use 2100 then the 3G still should be able to work? Since they still will be using the frequency except the 1900.
so i bought a unlocked phone on ebay bout a few months from now. i live in canada, also im in rogers network and everything works fine except my connection. i can only go 2g/edge speed but not 3g!! i have a t-mobile phone unlocked.. anybody know what i can do to get a 3g connection? do i need to install a new image or rom!!!!? please help
You may be out of luck on 3G. To the best of my knowledge, I believe Roger's 3G network runs on the 850 and 1900 MHz bands. However, the G1 runs on T-Mobile's 1700 and 2100 MHz bands. So Edge is the best you'll get (speed-wise).
TaurusBullba said:
You may be out of luck on 3G. To the best of my knowledge, I believe Roger's 3G network runs on the 850 and 1900 MHz bands. However, the G1 runs on T-Mobile's 1700 and 2100 MHz bands. So Edge is the best you'll get (speed-wise).
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T-Mobile's rollout of UMTS in the US will focus on the 2100/1700 MHz bands, whereas UMTS coverage in Canada is being provided on the 850 MHz band of the Rogers Wireless network. I think 1900 was added later as well.
My HTC HD is edge (2G only). But I use a lot of WiFi when ever possible.
Given that the Vivid has the following bands (according to Phonescoop):
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
LTE 700 / 1700
WCDMA 850 / 1900 / 2100
-Can anyone confirm whether this phone, when unlocked, will work with T-Mobile's 3G network or not; since it has the AWS (1700) band?
It wont work. The HTC Vivid only has WCDMA 850 / 1900 / 2100 that is what is used for 3G data speeds. T-Mobile requires AWS bands which is 1700 and 2100. On T-Mobile one of those bands is used for Uploading and the other is used for Downloading....you need both in order to be AWS compliant. The fact that it has 2100 does nothing for T-Mobile use. 2100 is used in Europe.
The 1700 band listed is only for LTE. And I think Phonescoop actually missed part of the LTE specifications because I read elsewhere that the HTC Vivid for LTE is 700 and AWS. Meaning that it uses the AWS bands 1700/2100 for LTE only. And you can't use this for T-Mobile AWS 3G. This makes sense if the T-Mobile purchase goes through because AT&T intends to use T-Mobiles current 3G bands which are only AWS 1700/2100 for LTE.
sdaddy said:
Given that the Vivid has the following bands (according to Phonescoop):
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
LTE 700 / 1700
WCDMA 850 / 1900 / 2100
-Can anyone confirm whether this phone, when unlocked, will work with T-Mobile's 3G network or not; since it has the AWS (1700) band?
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Perhaps somebody else can confirm this, but my speculation is no. The AWS band in the Vivid is specifically for LTE, I believe, so it wouldn't pick up HSPA on it. It has this mainly so that it's merger proof, I think. AT&T would like to use T-Mobile's AWS band for expanded LTE if the merger goes through.
galfert said:
It wont work. The HTC Vivid only has WCDMA 850 / 1900 / 2100 that is what is used for 3G data speeds. T-Mobile requires AWS bands which is 1700 and 2100. On T-Mobile one of those bands is used for Uploading and the other is used for Downloading....you need both in order to be AWS compliant. The fact that it has 2100 does nothing for T-Mobile use. 2100 is used in Europe.
The 1700 band listed is only for LTE. And I think Phonescoop actually missed part of the LTE specifications because I read elsewhere that the HTC Vivid for LTE is 700 and AWS. Meaning that it uses the AWS bands 1700/2100 for LTE only. And you can't use this for T-Mobile AWS 3G. This makes sense if the T-Mobile purchase goes through because AT&T intends to use T-Mobiles current 3G bands which are only AWS 1700/2100 for LTE.
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How about T-mobile HSPA+ network will the HTC vivid works?
Can somebody please confirm whether this phone is compatible with T-Mobile 4g Network. I have T-Mobile grandfathered $5 unlimited data. it would be awesome if this phone works! (since none of T-mobile branded phones work with grandfathered data) )
engsrini said:
How about T-mobile HSPA+ network will the HTC vivid works?
Can somebody please confirm whether this phone is compatible with T-Mobile 4g Network. I have T-Mobile grandfathered $5 unlimited data. it would be awesome if this phone works! (since none of T-mobile branded phones work with grandfathered data) )
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TMobile 3G/4G share the same frequencies....so NO...it wont work
Pirateghost said:
TMobile 3G/4G share the same frequencies....so NO...it wont work
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Yes true, I missed that part of the explanation, thanks.
T-Mobile 3G = WCDMA/UMTS/HSDPA = AWS Band 1700/2100 (needs both frequencies - one uploads, the other downloads)
T-Mobile 4G = HSPA+ = same requirements as 3G
Sent from my HTC PH39100 using XDA App
sorry to resurrect this thread, but hasn't t-mobile started putting out their 1900MHZ spectrum 3G? I have heard and seen many iPhones getting 3g with T-Mobile. This VIVID has the same bands as other phones that would get 3g, since it has a 1900 HSDPA band. Has anyone reported sightings of getting 3g on an HTC Vivid yet?
solidus636 said:
sorry to resurrect this thread, but hasn't t-mobile started putting out their 1900MHZ spectrum 3G? I have heard and seen many iPhones getting 3g with T-Mobile. This VIVID has the same bands as other phones that would get 3g, since it has a 1900 HSDPA band. Has anyone reported sightings of getting 3g on an HTC Vivid yet?
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I saw some OneXL users were reporting 3g speeds on TMobile as well
sdaddy said:
Given that the Vivid has the following bands (according to Phonescoop):
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
LTE 700 / 1700
WCDMA 850 / 1900 / 2100
-Can anyone confirm whether this phone, when unlocked, will work with T-Mobile's 3G network or not; since it has the AWS (1700) band?
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HSDPA working here on a HTC Vivid on T-Mobile
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29641878&postcount=12
3G & HSDPA working
Wolf61477 said:
HSDPA working here on a HTC Vivid on T-Mobile
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29641878&postcount=12
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just did multiple speed tests, and i got a range from 7mbps - 10.5 mbps download and 1.5 - 4.5 upload on my vivid that was a paper weight for a while.:laugh:
nice work T-mobile:good:
Pirateghost said:
TMobile 3G/4G share the same frequencies....so NO...it wont work
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what about tmobile LTE. sorry for reviving, just curious
XxSHaDoWxSLaYeRxX said:
what about tmobile LTE. sorry for reviving, just curious
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Pretty are still a no go..I believe only there 3g networks were changed..could he wrong though...
Sent from my SGH-I997 using Tapatalk 2
sdaddy said:
Given that the Vivid has the following bands (according to Phonescoop):
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
LTE 700 / 1700
WCDMA 850 / 1900 / 2100
-Can anyone confirm whether this phone, when unlocked, will work with T-Mobile's 3G network or not; since it has the AWS (1700) band?
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In case you still need help, here is what I suggest:
For the unlock, use unlockusa.com to get your code. They're the fastest and most reliable on the market.
For the internet, use the following settings for your APN (Credits: http://htcsource.com/2012/08/how-to-sim-unlock-the-htc-vivid-and-add-t-mobiles-access-point/) :
Name: T-Mobile.com
APN: fast.t-mobile.com
Proxy: Not Set
Port: Not Set
Username: Not Set
Password: Not Set
Server: wap.voicestream.com
MMSC: http://mms.msg.eng.t-mobile.com/mms/wapenc
MMS proxy: 261.155.165.50
MMS port: Not Set
MMS protocol: WAP 2.0
MCC:310
MNC: 260
Authentication type; Not Set
APN type: default
APN enable/disable: Checked
Bearer:Unspecified
Enjoy your cool phone !
I hope that helps. It worked for me, as I was having the same issue.
Just curious (reviving the thread), I noticed that T-mobile's GSM-based network has 1700MHz AWS listed for their 4G speeds, and the radio interface is LTE. The Vivid has 700 and 1700/2100 MHz listed for the LTE. Both are listed to work on band 4. Would this not theoretically allow the vivid to attain 4G speeds on T-mobile?
Also, T-mobile has 850 [roaming], 1700, and 1900 MHz on the UMTS interface for 3G generation. The vivid can connect to 850[roaming!] and 1900 MHz, although it does not specify the band. So maybe 3G works with T-mobile?
And we all know the 2G spectrum works too, but just for consistency:
T-mobile 2G: 850MHz (band 5) GSM [roaming], 1900MHz (band 2) GSM
Vivid: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz GSM
I would love either verification or reasons why this doesn't quite work!
projectisaac said:
Just curious (reviving the thread), I noticed that T-mobile's GSM-based network has 1700MHz AWS listed for their 4G speeds, and the radio interface is LTE. The Vivid has 700 and 1700/2100 MHz listed for the LTE. Both are listed to work on band 4. Would this not theoretically allow the vivid to attain 4G speeds on T-mobile?
Also, T-mobile has 850 [roaming], 1700, and 1900 MHz on the UMTS interface for 3G generation. The vivid can connect to 850[roaming!] and 1900 MHz, although it does not specify the band. So maybe 3G works with T-mobile?
And we all know the 2G spectrum works too, but just for consistency:
T-mobile 2G: 850MHz (band 5) GSM [roaming], 1900MHz (band 2) GSM
Vivid: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz GSM
I would love either verification or reasons why this doesn't quite work!
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Hello everyone and hello there.
Have a HTC VIVID on Albinoman's CM11 (1/12 build) using Simple Mobile (a MVNO of T-Mobile).
Using the APN already on the SIM/ROM I DO NOT get the 4G LTE.
Fortunately I get 4G, H, 3G, and E for the phone.
So LTE is still a no-go with T-Mobile with the HTC Vivid unfortunately (for now).
Wdenton said:
Hello everyone and hello there.
Have a HTC VIVID on Albinoman's CM11 (1/12 build) using Simple Mobile (a MVNO of T-Mobile).
Using the APN already on the SIM/ROM I DO NOT get the 4G LTE.
Fortunately I get 4G, H, 3G, and E for the phone.
So LTE is still a no-go with T-Mobile with the HTC Vivid unfortunately (for now).
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I don't think that will work for a long time... I don't think at&t uses the same LTE... Uhhh... Channel?
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rignfool said:
I don't think that will work for a long time... I don't think at&t uses the same LTE... Uhhh... Channel?
Sent from my Vivid 4G using Tapatalk
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Hopefully it doesn't take long is what I meant, was half asleep when I posted the reply.
rignfool said:
I don't think that will work for a long time... I don't think at&t uses the same LTE... Uhhh... Channel?
Sent from my Vivid 4G using Tapatalk
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I'm looking at the wikipedia pages for at&t and t-mobile:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT&T_Mobility
and in the radio frequency summary of at&t, I can see 1700/2100 MHz AWS on band 4 for 4G with LTE protocol, and T-mobile has 1700MHz AWS on band 4 for 4G LTE as well, but that's "building out", which means that band isn't available everywhere (I think i recall hearing that T-mobile was starting to change their frequencies around 2013).Also, I'm not certain if T-mobile allows the use of their 4G LTE on their SIM card no-contract plans.
Here's a List of the similar bands for T-mobile and at&t:
at&t: 2G, 1900MHz [band not listed], GSM/GPRS/EDGE
t-mobile: 2G, 1900MHz [2], GSM/GPRS/EDGE
at&t: 3G, 1900MHz PCS [2], UMTS/HSPA+ 21Mbit/s
t-mobile: 3G, 1900MHz PCS [2], UMTS/HSPA+ 42Mbit/s
at&t: 3G, 850MHz CLR [5], UMTS/HSPA+ 21Mbit/s
t-mobile: 3G, 850MHz CLR [5], UMTS/HSPA+ -this is from the failed acquisition of T-mobile by at&t, will last for 7 years
-interesting to note that T-mobile "Has marketed 3G HSPA+ as "4G" since 2010" (from the T-mobile wiki entry on the 1700MHz band notes)
at&t: 4G, 1700 MHz AWS [4], LTE
T-mobile: 4G, 1700/2100 MHz AWS [4], LTE
So I'm wondering if maybe the "4G" you get is T-mobile's 3G HSPA+ 42Mb/s? Wanna share your APN settings if you're getting all that good stuff already?
Also, what's your plan on Simple Mobile, and how much is it costing?
projectisaac said:
I'm looking at the wikipedia pages for at&t and t-mobile:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT&T_Mobility
and in the radio frequency summary of at&t, I can see 1700/2100 MHz AWS on band 4 for 4G with LTE protocol, and T-mobile has 1700MHz AWS on band 4 for 4G LTE as well, but that's "building out", which means that band isn't available everywhere (I think i recall hearing that T-mobile was starting to change their frequencies around 2013).Also, I'm not certain if T-mobile allows the use of their 4G LTE on their SIM card no-contract plans.
Here's a List of the similar bands for T-mobile and at&t:
at&t: 2G, 1900MHz [band not listed], GSM/GPRS/EDGE
t-mobile: 2G, 1900MHz [2], GSM/GPRS/EDGE
at&t: 3G, 1900MHz PCS [2], UMTS/HSPA+ 21Mbit/s
t-mobile: 3G, 1900MHz PCS [2], UMTS/HSPA+ 42Mbit/s
at&t: 3G, 850MHz CLR [5], UMTS/HSPA+ 21Mbit/s
t-mobile: 3G, 850MHz CLR [5], UMTS/HSPA+ -this is from the failed acquisition of T-mobile by at&t, will last for 7 years
-interesting to note that T-mobile "Has marketed 3G HSPA+ as "4G" since 2010" (from the T-mobile wiki entry on the 1700MHz band notes)
at&t: 4G, 1700 MHz AWS [4], LTE
T-mobile: 4G, 1700/2100 MHz AWS [4], LTE
So I'm wondering if maybe the "4G" you get is T-mobile's 3G HSPA+ 42Mb/s? Wanna share your APN settings if you're getting all that good stuff already?
Also, what's your plan on Simple Mobile, and how much is it costing?
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That. That's what I meant. APN settings came on the phone's SIM:
Enter name: Simple
APN: simple
Proxy:
Port:
Username:
Password:
Server:
MMSC: http://smpl.mms.msg.eng.t-mobile.com/mms/wapenc
MMS Proxy:
MMS Port:
MCC: 310
MNC: 260
Authentication type:
APN type: default,supl,mms
APN Protocol: IPv4
APN Roaming Protocol: IPv4
Bearer: Unspecified
MVNO Type: None.
Currently have Unlimited Talk, Text, 4g Data (up to 3 GB per month, then down to 3G speeds) for $50.
Thanks! And that's one helluva plan. I'm thinking I might go and do that if the $30/mo plan shows I have good coverage up here in the Northlands. A pity you're not getting the true 4G LTE service though, but I suppose T-mobile's 4G is pretty freakin' fast (HSPA+ 42Mb/s is pretty nice). Thanks for sharing the APN!
Hi all
I bought the Xperia Z C6603 in UK will it get 3g or 4g or let in NY, USA?
i been reading in the blogs that it wont support you will only get GPRS or EDGE based on this t-mobile thread http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/40671?start=0&tstart=0
but can the Devs do something to make it work on 3g/4g with current hardware in the phone? or should I return and buy the phone when it comes in the USA?
all help is appreciated
I'm not sure about 3g, but I've heard that the 4g bands that the phone uses are different then being used in the States. So that won't work.
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coolshah said:
Hi all
I bought the Xperia Z C6603 in UK will it get 3g or 4g or let in NY, USA?
i been reading in the blogs that it wont support you will only get GPRS or EDGE based on this t-mobile thread http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/40671?start=0&tstart=0
but can the Devs do something to make it work on 3g/4g with current hardware in the phone? or should I return and buy the phone when it comes in the USA?
all help is appreciated
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As I posted here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2231009&page=2
The reason is, according to T mobile
Depending on where a tower is at in the 4G life cycle, theoretical maximum download speeds range from 21 Mbps – 42 Mbps.
T-Mobile's HSPA+ network operates on the same band as our 3G network, Band IV, which uses 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies to transmit voice and data services. The 1700 MHz frequency sends information to cell sites and the 2100 MHz frequency receives information.
As with our 3G network, both 1700 MHz frequency and 2100 MHz frequency are required for a device to function. If a device only has one of these frequencies, it cannot use T-Mobile’s 3G and 4G networks.
T-Mobile is switching some 1900 MHz frequency from EDGE to HSPA+. This will allow devices that work on 1900 MHz, such as AT&T devices, to use our 4G network.
and yes,the Xperia z uses UMTS HSPA+ Bands 1, 3, 5, 8 which are
1 for 2100, 3 for 1800, 5 for 850 and 8 for 900
the HSDPA in T mobile are in the bands 1700 and 2100, just like the 3G, and the Xperia Z model c6603 uses bands 850/900/1700 only!!! the C6602 model uses the same bands plus /1900/2100 so, if you miss one band in T mobile you will never have the HSDPA speed, no matter the firmware,because is hardware
This info is according to Sony Official Page www.sonymobile.com, so as you can see you are missing one band, the 1700
Resuming, is hardware issue, and I dont think that the developers will be able to get 4G speeds or even HSDPA if the chip required is missing iin the c6603
c6602 is the only choice
Im currently have c6602 on tmobile and I can get h+ speed on it I did order c6603 and only get EDGE. You will have to set APN manually se the phone canlog into the network. Or u will have to get ZL since I heard that Xperia Z wont be distributed through any US carriers.
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kmujo said:
well i just received my international unlocked Z from singapore. i was informed the phone was data capable on t-mobile's usa network, but unfortunately i seem to be having alot of trouble. i have search for network operators and i can register on tmobile's 2g network, but even still it does not work. does anyone have the sony xperia z working on a US HSPA/3G/4G/LTE "Network?
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I just purchased a unlocked xperia z, which was imported from Singapore. From what I read this phone should work on the T-mobile network, but all I'm getting is 2g. I put in the T-mobile APN and even tried scanning but all it shows is 2g. Any insight as to what's happening? Thanks!
The phone has these bands:
Networks
GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900
UMTS/HSPA+ 850, 900, 2100
LTE Band I, Band III, Band IV, Band VII and Band XX (800, 850, 1800, 2100, 2600)
make123 said:
Similar to an earlier thread:
I just purchased a unlocked xperia z, which was imported from Singapore. From what I read this phone should work on the T-mobile network, but all I'm getting is 2g. I put in the T-mobile APN and even tried scanning but all it shows is 2g. Any insight as to what's happening? Thanks!
The phone has these bands:
Networks
GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900
UMTS/HSPA+ 850, 900, 2100
LTE Band I, Band III, Band IV, Band VII and Band XX (800, 850, 1800, 2100, 2600)
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Nope. Only 2g. It does not have the 1900 hspa/umts band. U need the c6602 model number. Will get nice hspa speeds on att networks tho.