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[POLL] Z or ZL which would you choose ?

Hi guys ! Like many of you I've read a lot of reviews and watched videos of this two awesome devices and have a hard time deciding which of them should I get (the price is not a killer factor) . So from the first look I was really impressed by Z's water- and dustproof capabilities as well as it's premium materials (tempered glass etc.) However , I was a bit discouraged with those rubbery plugs hiding all ports. I mean I understand their purpose but firstly I'm a bit afraid that past time they will get cranky or something if use them regulary. Moreover I am constanly loading files through Usb and listening to music , so I will have to open up plugs for mini jack and usb pretty frequently ... That's why I started to give preference to ZL which is plug free and is a bit smaller which is also good point for it . On the dark side I must say that I like Z's back cover way more than ZL's (looks cheaper at least on videos) which is made of plastic ... Can live with it,but I pay a lot of attention for the build quality of the device and just not sure that the plastic cover of ZL will be rock solid as Z's glass (but I hope ) So for now I have this thoughts and my choise meter is like ZL 45% - 55% Z . Share your thouths on this guys I'm sure some of your arguments might help me abd other folks to make the best decision
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Re: Z or ZL which would you choose ?
since you've said that build quality is important i think Z will have bit of an advantage on this front as you yourself know . Moreover i don't think the covered ports would pose much of a hindrance even if you are constantly transferring files via usb - you'll learn to handle it the way it needs to be handled in due time . The only plus of ZL from my point of view is its smaller dimensions (which i personally love). So if i were you Z would have been my obvious choice .
why fix it if it ain't broken ?

The water resistance of the Z was not made for you to shoot pictures while scuba diving but was only made for certain occasions where you need to use the phone to text while standing on an open area and got a broken umbrella lol or in case you drop it to some shallow water. So with those instances even a worn out plugs for the ports would work. On the plastic back cover of ZL can't really say anything as I haven't seen the device close up so cannot comment on how the plastic is built. It could be prone to cracks when dropped unless it's made of some special material.
Also with regards to the tempered glass durability I can't imagine it not breaking/chipping parts of it if it ever fall on a hard concrete but on the Xperia ZL it "may" only bounce off without any damage.

Re: Z or ZL which would you choose ?
Z for me. Water and dust resistance are big deals to me since I've lost 2 phones before to dunking.
That bit of reassurance is fantastic and you wouldn't expect it in a device that looks that sleek.

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beeboss said:
Hi guys ! Like many of you I've read a lot of reviews and watched videos of this two awesome devices and have a hard time deciding which of them should I get (the price is not a killer factor) . So from the first look I was really impressed by Z's water- and dustproof capabilities as well as it's premium materials (tempered glass etc.) However , I was a bit discouraged with those rubbery plugs hiding all ports. I mean I understand their purpose but firstly I'm a bit afraid that past time they will get cranky or something if use them regulary. Moreover I am constanly loading files through Usb and listening to music , so I will have to open up plugs for mini jack and usb pretty frequently ... That's why I started to give preference to ZL which is plug free and is a bit smaller which is also good point for it . On the dark side I must say that I like Z's back cover way more than ZL's (looks cheaper at least on videos) which is made of plastic ... Can live with it,but I pay a lot of attention for the build quality of the device and just not sure that the plastic cover of ZL will be rock solid as Z's glass (but I hope ) So for now I have this thoughts and my choise meter is like ZL 45% - 55% Z . Share your thouths on this guys I'm sure some of your arguments might help me abd other folks to make the best decision
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Z... she has a sexy back

Coming from the galaxy s2 i would 100% go for the z over the zl. I want a phone that feels premium but that is also going to last for a 2 year period.
I can see your point about the rubber casing for the ports, but i am hoping they will be of good enough quality not to crack or go loose.

Crucio_ said:
Coming from the galaxy s2 i would 100% go for the z over the zl. I want a phone that feels premium but that is also going to last for a 2 year period.
I can see your point about the rubber casing for the ports, but i am hoping they will be of good enough quality not to crack or go loose.
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I just want the IR blaster on the ZL. will probably go with the Z though, the ZL's back is just not sexy after seeing the Z

[Q] Do you recommend keeping my Xperia Z ?

Hello everybody
This is my first post here, and I need some advice about the Xperia Z.
I have just bought my xperia Z (still sealed but with no warranty or a limited one).
I was looking forward of buying the xperia Z after my xperia neo v was starting to age (great phone btw) . My neo was a great phone, I really liked it and it never let me down. It took alot of abuse and been used to the max, but still standing. I'm a VERY heavy user and I use my phone alot. Although I'm not a heavy gamer but I use my phone to talk, text, organize, playing music, net radio, browsing etc. I'm also not the one who really take care of his phone, I like my phone uncovered, and expected to be able to take some heavy drops and be able to stick into my tight pocket with all of the keys and stuff, with almost invisible scratches.
So after reading the reviews and specifications of xperia Z I was very enthusiastic about this phone. I bought the phone despite that it's out of my budget price ( Thanks mum). But as I roamed into the forums (espically this one) things started to get ugly.
Many people here complained about:
Screen easily cracks
The back panel opens up
And the adhesive used is not heat resistant.
Problem is, I'm supposedly paying alot of money for this durable,advanced and sexy phone, that matches my needs. But right now I'm reconsidering because the two major faults will probably happen to me. First I don't take excessive care with my phone , and I expect the phone to endure some beating . Also I live in a very hot environment so the back panel will defiantly pop. And from what I've hears here Sony customer service sucks.
So what you guys think, should I keep this phone or sell it
Your advise will be highly appreciated
Thanks in advanced

If it is something you plan on dropping then I probably wouldn't recommend this. Maybe the Samsung S4 Active? Still is water and dust proof but the plastics on the Galaxy phones don't break. Screen will still be an issue.

The screen doesn't easily cracks. I was one of the OP for one of the threads. Mine was more of a freak accident.. and if the screen does break the digitizer will most likely break also. Even with that said I'm planning to get another one.
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Well I would recommend xperia v or xperia zr for removable battery, and durability might be better than z.. According to ur needs I suggest sell ur xperia z off. Sorry..

I'm a heavy user too, and live in a hot and humid environment (near Shanghai). I've had no problems whatsoever with this phone. I recommend it.

senseless thread :laugh:
i don't want to be mean, but...
"i like to listen to music, but i like to watch movies as well. shall i buy the new blue ray with my favourite actor, or shall i keep my cd with my favorite singer? what do you suggest?"

Keep the phone.
Remember, what you read on the web are all the people who have had a problem, and while it seems like a lot, it's nothing compared with the number of people who don't have any problems, because they don't go around exclaiming how they have no problems.
All phone have some common defects to a small percentage of users. As far as breaking the glass goes, out of all the top of the line phones it's the least likely to break because the glass has a shock absorbing coating on it. I don't think any others do. Even though you like your phone without a case, how about just a thine bumper around the edge?
The back panel and adhesive issues are very rare, and would most defiantly be covered under warranty.

dcrandon said:
Keep the phone.
Remember, what you read on the web are all the people who have had a problem, and while it seems like a lot, it's nothing compared with the number of people who don't have any problems, because they don't go around exclaiming how they have no problems.
All phone have some common defects to a small percentage of users. As far as breaking the glass goes, out of all the top of the line phones it's the least likely to break because the glass has a shock absorbing coating on it. I don't think any others do. Even though you like your phone without a case, how about just a thine bumper around the edge?
The back panel and adhesive issues are very rare, and would most defiantly be covered under warranty.
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Absolutely the best answer for OP
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Glass breaks easily in back pocket!

I guess the subject says it all but just to be clear. I put my brand new Z3 Compact in my back pocket, too it out 2 minutes later and had a nice crack over the screen. The durability of the Z3 Compact screen is just a joke when it breaks this fast.
I carried my old HTC One S in my back pocket for the last 2.5 year and it just has some scratches (it also survived some nasty falls).
I've contacted Sony for support and I'm curious how they will respond...

marcfonteijn said:
I guess the subject says it all but just to be clear. I put my brand new Z3 Compact in my back pocket, too it out 2 minutes later and had a nice crack over the screen. The durability of the Z3 Compact screen is just a joke when it breaks this fast.
I carried my old HTC One S in my back pocket for the last 2.5 year and it just has some scratches (it also survived some nasty falls).
I've contacted Sony for support and I'm curious how they will respond...
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You must have buttocks made of steel.
I'm pretty sure it didn't just sponaneously crack in your back pocket, you must have sat down or something while it was in there.
By the way, keeping your phone in your back pocket is like asking for it to be stolen by pickpockets.

The biggest joke here must the be that you're angry and surprised that a phone breaks when carrying it in you're back pocket.
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degraaff said:
You must have buttocks made of steel.
I'm pretty sure it didn't just sponaneously crack in your back pocket, you must have sat down or something while it was in there.
By the way, keeping your phone in your back pocket is like asking for it to be stolen by pickpockets.
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^This...
tribemac said:
The biggest joke here must the be that you're angry and surprised that a phone breaks when carrying it in you're back pocket.
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...and this^^^

I get the impression that the black version seems to be more sensitive.... Fingers crossed 'cause I got the white one
I suppose you didn't use a case or protection of any kind?

I hope Sony say 'Tough titties don't sit on your phone moron!'
Seriously what do people expect...

Looks like some scratches on the right side as well as a chip. Your leaving a lot out it wasn't just a "stuck it in my back pocket and it broke".

Even tho phones never used to break in back pockets, suddenly iPhone 6 and now z3c owners are saying, what do you expect.
I'd expect a phone to not be weaker than the old ones actually.
Hope you get it sorted op.

i'm sure they broke too. but no one took the time to post about it until now because they knew that it was their fault for breaking it. now all of a sudden, they are like, hey i should tell everyone about this because it makes me cool.

I carry my Z3C naked, not a single scratch yet.

qbert456 said:
Even tho phones never used to break in back pockets, suddenly iPhone 6 and now z3c owners are saying, what do you expect.
I'd expect a phone to not be weaker than the old ones actually.
Hope you get it sorted op.
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Phones are steadily getting larger & thinner, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that sitting on your phone isn't going to do it a world of good.
In other news: camera in phones aren't as good as dedicated cameras.. (thought I'd better mention that too, as that's something else many people have difficulty grasping)

you're right, planes have got larger, thinner (skinned) and lighter too .
Best not fly anymore then as by your rationale we should expect breakage and not expect improvements as technology advances.

qbert456 said:
you're right, planes have got larger, thinner (skinned) and lighter too .
Best not fly anymore then as by your rationale we should expect breakage and not expect improvements as technology advances.
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People too seem to have got larger and more thin skinned...
I'm not sure how to spell this out.
The laws of physics dictate, larger thinner objects are more likely to break/bend when pressure/weight is applied than smaller fatter ones.
Nothing to do with technology, people need to stop being sheep and apply a little common sense, before doing stupid things then 'blaming the technology' - take some responsibility for yourself ffs.

My Z3C was in front pocket (not very tight pants) and front screen was cracked with no reason.
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marcfonteijn said:
I guess the subject says it all but just to be clear. I put my brand new Z3 Compact in my back pocket, too it out 2 minutes later and had a nice crack over the screen. The durability of the Z3 Compact screen is just a joke when it breaks this fast.
I carried my old HTC One S in my back pocket for the last 2.5 year and it just has some scratches (it also survived some nasty falls).
I've contacted Sony for support and I'm curious how they will respond...
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that is basically identical the crack that i had except mine was on the back. Mine is back with Sony at the moment! mine was in my front pocket though.
Just because manufactures make the phone thinner and lighter does not mean the way people use them are any different. people still put them in pockets etc. I have kept my nexus 5 in my back pocket for ages, sat down on it etc and its not cracked. (im 6ft4 and about 17st) i get my sony and breaks in 5 days...when its in the front pocket. There are making things lighter and thinner sure but not to the point where i have to make sure i carry a phone in bubble wrap because they cant make it strong enough for everyday use. Something is wrong with the phones not with the way are they being carried!

tribemac said:
The biggest joke here must the be that you're angry and surprised that a phone breaks when carrying it in you're back pocket.
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Quoted for truth

You really should get a phone with more durable material if you plan to pocket it. It's just common sense it is fragile..... Belt clip for me!

Glass on Back Of Xperia Z3 C may be inferior.
Inferior meaning not the Asahi Dragontrail or Gorilla Glass 3
Equivalent we HOPE is on the front.
Does Sony specify exactly what is on the front of these phones ?
And I think the specs on the back glass are more vague.
Seems like design flaw / substitution glass or maybe illogical
design flaw.
One of main reasons I want a phone this
size is to put in front pocket and carry ..
Use to play Internet Radio while I work and
browse play on when not working.
In a good case is this phone rugged enough for physically active
People ? Or too fragile .

robertkoa said:
Inferior meaning not the Asahi Dragontrail or Gorilla Glass 3
Equivalent we HOPE is on the front.
Does Sony specify exactly what is on the front of these phones ?
Seems like design flaw / substitution glass or maybe illogical
design flaw.
One of main reasons I want a phone this
size is to put in front pocket and carry ..
Use to play Internet Radio while I work and
browse play on when not working.
In a good case is this phone rugged enough for physically active
People ? Or too fragile .
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The front glass seems good, no micro scratches so far. I'm just going to get me a Spigen Ultra Hybrid clear bumper case as soon as it comes out for the Z3C, then it'll be fine.
Right now I have this as a temporary case: http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/flexishield-sony-xperia-z3-compact-gel-case-frost-white-p49135.htm

Some people seem to think scratch resistant = shatterproof. Actually the most scratch resistant materials like diamond etc are not hard to shatter/break at all. It has nothing to do with one another.
I was going to buy the Z3c and apply a shatter resistant film on the front and back, but that only protects from knocks to the panel from resonating and breaking the glass, not from pressure from lifting your leg with the phone in your front pocket.
If anyone has a go-to brand of protective film they use to prevent breaking (not so much scratching, as I can replace the film every now and again), I want to know!

[Q] Does today's z3c still have glass issues?

Hello i would like to get the z3c today because i cant find any better phone under 5inches. But im wondering if people still have the glass broken issues that reported last year? If thats the case then i might make some compromizations and move to Galaxy Alpha.
Anyway im just wondering are there any people with complains for this phone for the latest 3 months? Those who are still happy with it do they use quality covers and cases?
thanks

I use nothing on it. Dropped it on concrete quite a few times. No scratches
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I bought my Z3C the first day it came out and nothing has broken yet. Although it seems that the oleophobic coating on the front is rather weak. There are several spots on the screen that look permanently "dirtier" than the rest of the glass, they are not scratches and they cannot be felt and they are almost invisible when I thoroughly wipe the screen, but they are greasy smudgy spots, always in the same place and the same shape. I have never experienced this on any of my previous phones, which I owned for a much longer time.

I've had my Z3c since September 2014, no issues. Ringke fusion case and tempered glass screen protector.

Update about my post regarding oleophobic coating damages:
I've randomly tried to treat it by rubbing the spots firmly with cotton swab dipped in White Spirit; at the start, I felt a resistance/roughness while rubbing over the spots, and I could hear a squeaky noise while rubbing. After a while, it started to feel smoother, the resistance over the spots decreased to almost none and the squeaky noise stopped as well. Now it looks like the spots no longer get extra smudgy, but instead they seem to stay cleaner than the rest of the glass. :good:
The White Spirit didn't have any effect on the rest of the glass, only on those permanent spots.

I've had my z3c for about 6 months now and have had no issues with the glass. It has fallen on all kinds of surfaces and nothing has happened. Though it needs mentioning that I have never touched either the front or back of the phone since I put on 9h tempered glass protectors on the device minutes after I bought it.
In my opinion glass protectors are a must for all smart-devices regardless of the brand.

lakiscy said:
Hello i would like to get the z3c today because i cant find any better phone under 5inches. But im wondering if people still have the glass broken issues that reported last year? If thats the case then i might make some compromizations and move to Galaxy Alpha.
Anyway im just wondering are there any people with complains for this phone for the latest 3 months? Those who are still happy with it do they use quality covers and cases?
thanks
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http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/06/26/sony-e5663-specs-leak-4-6-inch-1080p-display-13mp-front-camera-3gb-ram/
The Z4c E5663(may not real named Z4C) is coming out, probably around Sep. With 4.6" FHD, MTK octa-core(prevent S810 overheating), 3GB ram, 16GB rom, 21MP cam IMX230(Phase detection Auto focus).

TheEndHK said:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/06/26/sony-e5663-specs-leak-4-6-inch-1080p-display-13mp-front-camera-3gb-ram/
The Z4c E5663(may not real named Z4C) is coming out, probably around Sep. With 4.6" FHD, MTK octa-core(prevent S810 overheating), 3GB ram, 16GB rom, 21MP cam IMX230(Phase detection Auto focus).
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We do not know if this will really be the z4c, this is the second phone they claim as z4c. Also we do not know wwhereit will be available to.
We can only hope that there will be a z4c. I myself am in need of a new phone as my screen on 2nd gen moto x broke. Not sure how long i can hold out

INFRNL said:
We do not know if this will really be the z4c, this is the second phone they claim as z4c. Also we do not know wwhereit will be available to.
We can only hope that there will be a z4c. I myself am in need of a new phone as my screen on 2nd gen moto x broke. Not sure how long i can hold out
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But in my memory, there is no phone they real claimed z4c? Those are all rumors only and all are fake. This should be the first one since it got all specification out. If you can't wait just get z3c now bcoz usually Sony will only sell new phone until Sep.

Quality feel (use of materials)

Rate this thread to express how you think the LG V20 feels in terms of quality. A higher rating indicates that it feels premium and high-quality (attention to detail is high, manufacturing defects don't exist, etc).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Meh. It ain't no Note 7. That said, what wows me is performance first. My phone will be in a case which means aesthetics is moot.

The design isn't exciting, but honestly I didn't think much of the glass note 7. That stupid thing fell out of my pocket while I was laying down and cracked the back and the camera lens cover. as douger1957 said it'll be in a case anyway.

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Meh. It ain't no Note 7. That said, what wows me is performance first. My phone will be in a case which means aesthetics is moot.
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agreed...the quality of my N7 was amazing...as for the V20, screen looks great...i like the simplicity of the design...performance is great as well!!

It is an elegant understated design IMHO, least in the titanium color. Done well. Varying materials match colors (matching Al to plastic ain't easy), feels good in the hand for a naked phone (most are ice cubes).

before everyone was complaining about samsung and others that they dont use "premium" materials.
Now when they do glass/metal is bad also. Easy to crack, fingerprint magnet and at the end you put case on it so what's the point really?! just higher premium price. every phone in case will look almost the same no matter if its glass or metal or plastic but people wanted so they have it

I think my V10 felt more solid, but this phone is great too!
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I think my V10 felt more solid, but this phone is great too!
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I must concur with you. I in particular liked the steel rails of the V10, which were attached to the main body. I suspect the V20 would have done better in the torture test of trying to bend the main body if it still had the steel rails. Looks like most of the rigidity of the V20 comes from aluminum back, which isn't fully attached. True, that was a torture test, but still...

it's not shiny armor nor glossy glass. But since Optimus G Pro, I stick to LG products for their build quality. G Pro, G 3, G Flex 2 and now V20, all these guys looks and feels solid in my hand.

I'm coming from note 4. I feel that the built quality is nice. For metal phone it's light in hand, big enough to fit the hands. Nice to hold.
Also the screen is awesome. So far I'm liking the phone.
I wish I had note 7, but due to their fiasco, I purchased this and I'll be with it for some time now. I don't plan on getting a new phone until this one dies.

as for the V20, screen looks great

Honestly, I don't think it's the nicest looking phone I've ever had.
But, It fits in my hand perfectly and compared to my old samsung phones, it feels much more solid. Compared to the note 5, I can reach all of the screen with one hand no problem. I like the more rugged, metal look of the phone.

They have an obviously flawed camera glass design that is shattering for thousands of people for no reason and LG is refusing to own the issue as usual. Otherwise it feels like good quality.
Just be prepared to have a useless camera.

Maybe it has a kind of industrial look. but it is tough as hell! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2El1Fo8Pqc 1000Ft drop and it still works lol!

Who needs a glass back that easily cracks. It'll be in a case anyway as pointed out well in most posts. Mine had a case from the moment I bought it. Just a cheap $4 at first but bought the ringke onyx and spigen tempered glass instantly as well.
Purchased dbrand stickers as well for the rear dual cam since the factory installed clear plastic ones seems to be not durable and won't last long. Though I still have them on for addt'l layer of protection. I find drop protection more useful than waterproof or dust proof ability.

Durability
Speaking of durability, a guy dropped a V20 a thousand feet from a drone onto a concrete parking lot, and the camera glass didn't break, the phone was actually still functional. The glass seems to be more vulnerable to a scratch or maybe a direct hit, a guy scratched it with a box cutter and the glass cracked, something a protective skin should help with.

Ok gang, v20 has to be one of my ever lasting phones.
I've dropped it a few times (with case one and off) no issues.
Now my wife is using it, and it got into my little ones possession, and Bam .... To the floor ... Initially there was issues with the microphone. Saw the headphone icon on the top. I did the insert and pull out of headphone trick people mentioned on blog, after I did a soft reset.
I even cautiously or tried to replicate the drop see if it would goggle loose pieces together.
But after 2 days of waiting the headphone icon disappeared and my wife called me to see if mic was working and it was I was able to hear her.
So just getting it out there for anyone else with a similar predicament .... It's not solution but at least it will provide some hope for the problem to just wait it out.

kparikh82276 said:
Ok gang, v20 has to be one of my ever lasting phones.
I've dropped it a few times (with case one and off) no issues.
Now my wife is using it, and it got into my little ones possession, and Bam .... To the floor ... Initially there was issues with the microphone. Saw the headphone icon on the top. I did the insert and pull out of headphone trick people mentioned on blog, after I did a soft reset.
I even cautiously or tried to replicate the drop see if it would goggle loose pieces together.
But after 2 days of waiting the headphone icon disappeared and my wife called me to see if mic was working and it was I was able to hear her.
So just getting it out there for anyone else with a similar predicament .... It's not solution but at least it will provide some hope for the problem to just wait it out.
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Lucky. When I had a v20, lots of horror stories every week on Reddit about minor bumps breaking camera glass. One nice thing about the v20--a million screws but it is easy to tear apart and replace things if they die.