I'm not sure if anyone's seen the news lately, but apparently Canonical is putting out a mobile version of its Ubuntu OS. I've seen the whitepapers so far and it looks promising (assuming it ever gets traction).
Assuming that the phone OS is open-source like its desktop counterpart, does anyone think we could possibly build ubuntu phone to work with kexec and safestrap 3?
Cant you download ububtu on the app market?
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Cant you download ububtu on the app market?
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what you're referring to, is running ubuntu on top of the existing android system
what Canonical wants, is a phone that runs only ubuntu, no android base layer (*insert Canonical's claims about how java is too memory bloated, and mobile OSs should run C/C++)
Possibly, yes. Depends on how it is ubuntu is implemented fully though, however.
If it can easily can replace the android framework and go on top of our existing kernel, then yes.
If it requires specific kernel edits, possibly, depending on how much work is involved.
But with current kexec kernel issues, it probably would not be worth it until they get sorted out
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Possibly, yes. Depends on how it is ubuntu is implemented fully though, however.
If it can easily can replace the android framework and go on top of our existing kernel, then yes.
If it requires specific kernel edits, possibly, depending on how much work is involved.
But with current kexec kernel issues, it probably would not be worth it until they get sorted out
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From what I've read it's compatible with most Android kernels.
From what I understand, android was written over the Linux 2 kernel. You would think that there wouldn't be much of a difference, just adapt the drivers, but then again operating system implementation isn't my area of expertise.
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From what I understand, android was written over the Linux 2 kernel. You would think that there wouldn't be much of a difference, just adapt the drivers, but then again operating system implementation isn't my area of expertise.
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I believe newer devices run on the 3.0 kernel
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I believe newer devices run on the 3.0 kernel
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Yes kexec is 3.0.31 i think
I don't see why it wouldn't work, having kexec we can bypass the locked bootloader situation, unless maybe it needs a gig of RAM, otherwise if a developer takes it up I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be able to come to our good ole 3.
And yes the current kexec kernel is 3.0.31 but yet again it can be updated or changed.
I wonder if Ubuntu won't loose most of it's usability on our tiny touchscreens... I used to use an HTC Universal with a few directly ported DOS-games. The tiny screen and the touchscreen instead of a mouse made them quite hard to control. And not even having a stylo will make it even harder to controll, I guess.
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I wonder if Ubuntu won't loose most of it's usability on our tiny touchscreens... I used to use an HTC Universal with a few directly ported DOS-games. The tiny screen and the touchscreen instead of a mouse made them quite hard to control. And not even having a stylo will make it even harder to controll, I guess.
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It's not the desktop ui but a new mobile ui
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Yeah the GUI is a new mobile build but it does have elements of unity like the desktop
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I've got an old Samsung Galaxy Mini S5570. It won't start, It goes into Download Mode, Not into CWM Recovery. I don't care about this Phone, and it's in crappy condition. But, It would be amazing to see if someone actually could install another OS on it. I only know a Three alternative Phone OS, which are iOS, Android and Firefox OS. (If you know another one, name it.)
I'm Shure iOS won't run on it, so we can count that one out. I don't want Android on it either, so count that one out too, Which leaves us down to FireFox OS.
So, Whos interested in making this thing work?
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I think you can't install another OS, but you can install custom Rom based on it, like iOS rom, windows 8 and others. If you don't want android os, you shouldn't have bought it in the first place
I bought it 2 summers ago, it was my first Android Phone.
I'm a Noob when it comes to ROMs, I usually like what it out-of-the-box.
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Just a complete guess, but I would think as long as the hardware supports whatever you're trying to run on it, it will accept any OS. Just like you can install Linux or Mac on an old windows computer, all you really should need is the framework. As far as I know hardware isn't necessarily specific to software. In theory it should be possible. :beer:
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Just a complete guess, but I would think as long as the hardware supports whatever you're trying to run on it, it will accept any OS. Just like you can install Linux or Mac on an old windows computer, all you really should need is the framework. As far as I know hardware isn't necessarily specific to software. In theory it should be possible. :beer:
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You're right, but I was talking about his Galaxy Mini
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You're right, but I was talking about his Galaxy Mini
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you're wrong, it is possible to boot ubuntu or windows on android phone, and it is also possible to boot firefox os, only no one did it yet
I agree the problem is how to start with it
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I've got an old Samsung Galaxy Mini S5570. It won't start, It goes into Download Mode, Not into CWM Recovery. I don't care about this Phone, and it's in crappy condition. But, It would be amazing to see if someone actually could install another OS on it. I only know a Three alternative Phone OS, which are iOS, Android and Firefox OS. (If you know another one, name it.)
I'm sure iOS won't run on it, so we can count that one out. I don't want Android on it either, so count that one out too, Which leaves us down to FireFox OS.
So, Whos interested in making this thing work?
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Did you mean Gecko OS ? Wow, you don't want Android heh... why ? Android has better customization than both Firefox, and iOS.
If you don't want Android then why you run Android X86 on your PC, :sigh: people these days...
If you want to be involved in something...Here is the thread from galaxy gio...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1827571
when it's ready you'll only have to port it
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Did you mean Gecko OS ? Wow, you don't want Android heh... why ? Android has better customization than both Firefox, and iOS.
If you don't want Android then why you run Android X86 on your PC, :sigh: people these days...
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1. I like android.
2. I want to try something new.
3. I run android x86 along with Ubuntu and Windows, so its not my only OS.
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you're wrong, it is possible to boot ubuntu or windows on android phone, and it is also possible to boot firefox os, only no one did it yet
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Oh I see
I just thought that we can't do it since mini is a low end device.
Didn't thought it was possible
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It is very possible to B2G in our Galaxy Mini. But I have no idea how to.
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It is very possible to B2G in our Galaxy Mini. But I have no idea how to.
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Get idea!
- https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US...ites#Have_a_compatible_phone_or_use_emulators
- http://blog.techno-barje.fr/post/2012/10/27/firefox-os-bootstrap/
First i want to know if there are Any Other Phone OSes that are worth trying. I litterly don't give a single **** if theres "No apps" or if "Android is Waaaaaaay better".
Dont hestitate, name it.
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You could try bada
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First i want to know if there are Any Other Phone OSes that are worth trying. I litterly don't give a single **** if theres "No apps" or if "Android is Waaaaaaay better".
Dont hestitate, name it.
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Try BRICKED OS ! It's better !
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Try BRICKED OS ! It's better !
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I have it on my mothers iPad. It rocks.
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I have it on my mothers iPad. It rocks.
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Haha you destroyed your iPad ? Great, i hate Apple with Steve Jobs bite mark on it.
Mini can run :
1. Debian
2. Ubuntu
3. Android
4. Windows 95
5. Windows 2000
6. Windows XP SP1 / SP2
Meaning of these color :
- Orchid : Can run without any simulated platform, overclock, and flashing things. That means it's was "firstly there, and always there"
- Dark Green : Need a simulated platform, but no need to overclock and flashing things. That means it's was "secondly there and maybe there"
- Light Green : Need a tougher simulated platform, need a overclock feature + kernel. That means it's was "maybe there, and sometime there"
So give him Java, symbian, bada and meego. Just joking
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I think it could be possible if we get the source, and compile it with smartguy's kernal, we could get a build up and running, or maybe a version of CM6, just saying, I'm a fan of it and honeycomb eventhough it's slow.
Not likely, I don't think there is enough people that would use it.... Sorry
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Not likely, I don't think there is enough people that would use it.... Sorry
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well i would
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Not likely, I don't think there is enough people that would use it.... Sorry
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Honeycomb is not open source
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Honeycomb is not open source
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Honeycomb was made made open source around the time ICS was released...
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Honeycomb was made made open source around the time ICS was released...
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I knew that from the beginning, that's why I was asking. What about CM6? I know Tim is working on it for me, because I asked him if he could.
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I think it could be possible if we get the source, and compile it with smartguy's kernal, we could get a build up and running, or maybe a version of CM6, just saying, I'm a fan of it and honeycomb eventhough it's slow.
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Just out of curiosity... why are you fan of cm 6 and honeycomb?
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Just out of curiosity... why are you fan of cm 6 and honeycomb?
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No answer? I just like it and I have never tested either on the Exhibit, and I figured if I asked someone about it I would get an answer.
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No answer? I just like it and I have never tested either on the Exhibit, and I figured if I asked someone about it I would get an answer.
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What do you like about it? For example I like expandable notification on jellybean or cm10
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What do you like about it? For example I like expandable notification on jellybean or cm10
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I like the looks of CM6 and honeycomb, well I've never used it, I just wanna test it for once, but the real deal, not some crap launcher from the Play Store.
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I like the looks of CM6 and honeycomb, well I've never used it, I just wanna test it for once, but the real deal, not some crap launcher from the Play Store.
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There was no separate honeycomb source. It was merged into ICS source with comments. Honeycomb was tablet only ui. ICS combined tablet and phone ui. If you want
to try native tablet ui (not just launcher) try pacman rom. It has tablet ui for gapps.
Cm 6 was based on froyo and has less features than gingerbread. Ginger bread improved android a lot and made it modern and compititive mobile os. It improved memory management and newer apis. That is why many applications are 2.3 + Please Google if you want more details.
Windows phone is closed source os and legally requires license run on phone. That is why you will not see ports here on xda on non windows phone. On the other hand android being open source can you run on windows phone e.g. HTC HD 2.
Assuming you have been here for while and seeing your posts on porting and building from source I can only hope that op wasn't for trolling.
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There was no separate honeycomb source. It was merged into ICS source with comments. Honeycomb was tablet only ui. ICS combined tablet and phone ui. If you want
to try native tablet ui (not just launcher) try pacman rom. It has tablet ui for gapps.
Cm 6 was based on froyo and has less features than gingerbread. Ginger bread improved android a lot and made it modern and compititive mobile os. It improved memory management and newer apis. That is why many applications are 2.3 + Please Google if you want more details.
Windows phone is closed source os and legally requires license run on phone. That is why you will not see ports here on xda on non windows phone. On the other hand android being open source can you run on windows phone e.g. HTC HD 2.
Assuming you have been here for while and seeing your posts on porting and building from source I can only hope that op wasn't for trolling.
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That explains alot.
If you like the look of Froyo, you could install the cm7 port i saw somewhere around here, and install this theme http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1014773 apparently it makes cm7 look just like Froyo.
Here's a Honeycomb theme for cm7 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=943423
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Heres 3 honeycomb themes for CM10 (should also work on most JB roms here, Slimbean etc)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1827373
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1875433
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1847483
Theres no point of actually running froyo on honeycomb, just use a theme
Froyo just seems worthless sorry but it just does. Honeycomb actually could be possible. Honeycomb did have a phone ui. But who would actually go through all the effort?
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Froyo just seems worthless sorry but it just does. Honeycomb actually could be possible. Honeycomb did have a phone ui. But who would actually go through all the effort?
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I would. e.e
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I would. e.e
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Then do it? I'd love to run Honey on this phone... It'd look cool as hell... x3
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Then do it? I'd love to run Honey on this phone... It'd look cool as hell... x3
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Exactly. No one gets it! .-.
I'll run honeycomb, if you port it I'll definitely give it a try, but please add oc to it
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I'll run honeycomb, if you port it I'll definitely give it a try, but please add oc to it
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How exactly do you plan to port it????? There's no source, it was merged to ICS, there is no "honeycomb branch" you could try and port, but our phone has a 480x800 screen, no honeycomb device had this low of a resolution
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How exactly do you plan to port it????? There's no source, it was merged to ICS, there is no "honeycomb branch" you could try and port, but our phone has a 480x800 screen, no honeycomb device had this low of a resolution
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truuu.
Yep thats right try it here
Mako only for now
NOTE: have a network connection, preferably WiFi.. on first boot, it will try to install X11, gnome-desktop (!),
sound s really interesting thanks a lot for the info
What is this if you don't mind me asking?
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What is this if you don't mind me asking?
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Basically this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki.
Can you post some screenshots.?
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hubba
uh... well (from softpedia)
"Owners of unlocked Google Nexus 4 smartphones out there can now get a taste of a new Linux OS for their devices, as a Fedora 19 installer is now available for download for them.
The software enables them to easily install Fedora 19 for ARM on this Google phone, though it should be noted that this is not an official Fedora Linux project.
As phoronix notes, the installer comes from Rob Clark, who has been working on enriching the Freedreno Gallium3D graphics driver, and who used the Qualcomm A320 graphics in Nexus 4 for that.
The Fedora 19 installer that he wrote in the process is now available for download on GitHub as freedreno/nexus4-fedora, but might not receive support moving forth.
For enthusiasts, however, it might prove an interesting software to take for a spin on a Nexus 4, that’s for sure."
So, if you know Ubuntu touch preview - you know what this is
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Sounds quite interesting
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Screenshots?
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Anybody run it? install-rootfs not work for me
I'd love to hear some feedback on this before installing
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I'd love to hear some feedback on this before installing
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can't get read-write on device, have root and can mount rootfs as rw in explorer but can' get it in adb shell
This is really interesting. I'm a long term Fedora user, and I've just bought a Nexus 4 with the intent of installing cyanmod on it. But for various reasons I would like to run a full Linux distro.
So my first question is this: Is there a phone app and a sms app available for any Linux distro? The closest thing I could find is gnokii, but it isn't for on the phone its self (at least that is my understanding). Would I have to write the phone app myself?
My second question is: Does it run well? (I mean Fedora on the Nexus 4) Or do need to find that out myself?
Thank you,
Christopher
PS. I've been searching the internet all day to try and answer these questions.
Doesn't chroot/ loop device not work on 4.3?
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This is really interesting. I'm a long term Fedora user, and I've just bought a Nexus 4 with the intent of installing cyanmod on it. But for various reasons I would like to run a full Linux distro.
So my first question is this: Is there a phone app and a sms app available for any Linux distro? The closest thing I could find is gnokii, but it isn't for on the phone its self (at least that is my understanding). Would I have to write the phone app myself?
My second question is: Does it run well? (I mean Fedora on the Nexus 4) Or do need to find that out myself?
Thank you,
Christopher
PS. I've been searching the internet all day to try and answer these questions.
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From what I gather from reading the README on github. This is NOT a ROM (not even close). This is absolutely not something to use instead of cyanogenmod, stock android, etc. And although I don't know positively (have not googled), I would guess no, there is not a phone or sms app for a desktop that is going to work. Not to mention how many other key components needed to make this a working android substitute.
What it is, is a kernel (a Fedora based kernel instead of an Android kernel). And you don't even flash the kernel... you load it and run it temporarily through adb. And then the installer will download and run an x11 display server (instead of the android surface_flinger server), and a Gnome desktop and other parts of Fedora.
It's not something that's ready for use as a phone OS. Far from it. It is just the beginnings of a start (though mad props are in order).
If you've tried the latest Ubuntu touch preview... and seen all of what's NOT ready in that project... then understand that this Fedora project is not even close to that stage of development yet.
Hi,
has anyone tried it recently?
It did not boot for me and got stuck at the "Google" logo.
ADB was working, but without wifi it is useless.
Regards
user
Just seen this on the wire and thought how awesome it looks.
Rockchip is a chinese chip manufacture that powers devices like the popular MK808 and other handheld devices. Looks like they've been busy as today they announced they have a Split screen solution similar to Samsung that runs on Stock Android, except it can run any app.
Oh man does this look yummy.
How likely is it that we will get this on the Nexus 7?
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How likely is it that we will get this on the Nexus 7?
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very very very very likely as Nexus 7 is one the best and popular high end device....IMO
Wow I want this, I don't have an N7 yet, but soon.
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Can't wait!
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Split screen solution similar to Samsung.
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Anyone correct me if I'm wrong, But Samsung implementation seems to only be custom apps that work in window form, but this seems to be a framework implementation?
Meaning this should work well with all Play Store apps as long as they followed the Android development guidelines and have a tablet UI. (fragments, panels etc)
Why is this thread has a PORT prefix in the title?
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Anyone correct me if I'm wrong, But Samsung implementation seems to only be custom apps that work in window form, but this seems to be a framework implementation?
Meaning this should work well with all Play Store apps as long as they followed the Android development guidelines and have a tablet UI. (fragments, panels etc)
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You are correct about how Samsung multi window works.
I don't know what the guidelines are for this multi window feature.
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I wrote an article on this yesterday.
I can't wait to see how it properly functions on some of the well known devices.
@StrangerWeather its very likely the N7 will get it as its probably the most popular 7" tab on the market.
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Because it would require a port from Rock chip devices to our N7.
This seems really cool because the Samsung required specific apps where here, he used anything, such as the stock settings app. So it should work with any app.
Plus I like how they all control and flip back and forth. Really nice.
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Saw this on Android police and the implementation of gestures, Window resizing, management etc was nice and it's better than Samsung's Multi Window feature.
Wish this gets ported to custom ROMS soon.
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Hopefully in the final release it uses the phablet layouts when in split screen. Ideally it would recalculate screen metrics based on the window size.
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Hopefully in the final release it uses the phablet layouts when in split screen. Ideally it would recalculate screen metrics based on the window size.
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A port would be awesome. Can't wait for it!
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Because it would require a port from Rock chip devices to our N7.
This seems really cool because the Samsung required specific apps where here, he used anything, such as the stock settings app. So it should work with any app.
Plus I like how they all control and flip back and forth. Really nice.
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So if I wanted someone to make a guide on how to root would I make a thread called "[GIUDE][HOW-TO] How to root Nexus 7"?
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The rumor has it that Paranoid Android team is developing something like this. In fact CM team had tried to publish their version of multi window(project Cornersrone) but Google wouldn't let them. Multi window is totally possible to make for N7 and whatever modern android device. In near future!
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Quite frankly, in the era of 1080p displays, there should be multi-window baked in to the OS. It's a feature that I think would really propel Android forward.
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Useful on a tablet but pointless on a phone. May be Google will bring this in KLP?
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Useful on a tablet but pointless on a phone. May be Google will bring this in KLP?
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I sure as hell hope so. Who said Sammy devices can have fun with this all alone?
does anyone know if there is a way to put ubuntu touch, ubuntu desktop, or another form of non-android os on this phone? (htc one m8 sprint)
I'm already rooted, unlocked and soff
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Youd have to experiment with that yourself. Ubuntu can be installed via Play store
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Youd have to experiment with that yourself. Ubuntu can be installed via Play store
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okay so my understanding is android is pretty much an arm distribution of linux with an emulated interface/virtual machine/ cute green
little robot mascot thing running riot all over it.
that said, i've used some cross-compile stuff before and it works well enough.
the file system IS there so theoretically we should be able to linux up even more under the hood
without losing the paint-job , right?
personally i didn't like ubuntu touch and the whole vnc thing is wildly annoying
maybe adroid is a little weak in ways it really shouldn't be but it does have a sweet usable interface meant for
these devices.
alternately you could find an officially labled arm-linux distro break out a scalpel and get to work.
Uhm, kind of.... You will have to have some sort of ROM running, unless you built it yourself... Ubuntu touch is available but its gonna have to be ported to this phone, cyanogenmod is about the closest thing you get to native Android. Sense is just a skin that HTC uses just as Touchwiz is a skin for Samsung. You can remove all Sense from the phone and run native Android, which is built off of Linux but not a part of Linux per say...
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Youd have to experiment with that yourself. Ubuntu can be installed via Play store
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I searched the play store and only found applets and info apps, cab you post me a link please
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
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hi
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Uhm, kind of.... You will have to have some sort of ROM running, unless you built it yourself... Ubuntu touch is available but its gonna have to be ported to this phone, cyanogenmod is about the closest thing you get to native Android. Sense is just a skin that HTC uses just as Touchwiz is a skin for Samsung. You can remove all Sense from the phone and run native Android, which is built off of Linux but not a part of Linux per say...
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elaborate on Uhm, kind of... I'd like to know what you see.
Where i'm at with the thought is at the kernel for starters, it is linux kernel right ?
meaning if you put a hat on a pig the pig is still a pig
and as far as the vnc trip i'vd pull stuff out of the experiments ann then messed with them
some things worked, some things with linker error, and of course permission denied
there's a barrier between android/linux but i think it's flimsy
i had one succes with cross compiling something one time from a tutorial
so my thought was if i get a handle on the dependencies for any small linux program
cross compile it for arm and get it to work then i'm not entirely off
yes, no maybe ?
In a sense Android works the same as a Ubuntu. It's just that Android has it's own build. It's like having a Kubuntu compared to Ubuntu compared to Windows.... Android has instead of .exe it has .apk and .jar it's basically a Java program with its own code built into it Smali... Yes it was compiled and built on a Linux but no one ever said that it was was running Linux through its blood. Yes with ARM you get more Linux capability, but it still lacks... You can change the boot of a pc from Windows to Ubuntu , but things May be broken.... Like I said you'd have to tinker with it all... There are limitations though you just gotta find them...
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