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So this is the future thread of DATA2EXT.
Basically this is a hack to mount part of /data onto the SDcard, improving I/O thoroughput, as data will be written to internal NAND and SDCard. (Theoretically)
I've currently gotten really close to a functional DATA2EXT.
About to flash the next test, and I think I got it this time.
Progress will be posted here.
v1: Failed. Not that easy.
v2: OOOHHH. Still failed.
v3: Mhmm. THAT should do it.
v4: Heyyy! Found an error! *fixes. Trying now =] Failed as well.
v5: Failed failed.
lots more fails.
v17 Trying new idea now!
Bugs go herreeeeeeeeeeeeee
Maybe some random stuff here xD
Thanks man I'm excited about this thanks for looking into it.
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Thanks man I'm excited about this thanks for looking into it.
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EDIT: Haha... I realize that this quote has nothing to do with cyanogen's warning xD Oh well
Yup yup. I respect cyanogen, but from what I've read, it seems his main issues are:
1. Doesn't actually help anything.
2. Doesn't get wiped, so errors between ROMs will occur.
However, theoretically, it SHOULD help. Read / write is now spread across NAND and SD, so should increase I/O. But again, real-world difference has yet to be looked at.
Wiping it IS possible. One could delete the partition, and the recreate it. Wipe. What cyanogen seems to mean is that it's not baked into clockworkmod. It means that a separate zip will have to be included for those who want to wipe.
But again, I've yet to get it actually functional. Once it's functional, the performance vs risk can be weighed.
On another note, I've seen talk about DATA2InternalStorage. It certainly makes sense, we've a whole 6GB to play around with, and it should be really fast. However, the added r/w that occurs with DATA2X should drastically reduce life. And since we can't change it out... not a good idea.
The SD card can be changed out very very easily, so a shorter life shouldn't matter too much. And I'm not sure of the logistics, but if internal storage is on the same NAND as /data, then moving writes over to there really won't improve anything.
Anyways, I'm testing v4 now after my phone charges a little more. *crosses fingers.
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What partition layout is needed for this? Maybe you've already seen it, but I've been following THIS, also.
hopefully this helps with real life performance too. When I compare the inc to the crazy fast new devices out there, I feel a bit jealous. If I see some increased speed/smoothness, it will certainly be worth it for me. Also, will it be possible to get this in a flashable zip format? 1 for AOSP Roms, 1 for Desire Z/HD/MT4G Roms, 1 for old sense based roms or am I smoking the wrong pipe in thinking this way?
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What partition layout is needed for this? Maybe you've already seen it, but I've been following THIS, also.
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I've been tweaking the script to work for the DInc. I had to change the place where it mounts stuff, and I've finally got bootup. However, still a billion force closes. Digging into this...
This is all very interesting and I thank you for taking the time to try and get it to work. I just hope in the end it is worth the effort
I agree! Can't wait to test for you! And again thanks for putting your personal time toward improving our devices!!!
How did it go? Any luck getting it stabilized?
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How did it go? Any luck getting it stabilized?
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=[. Noope. Failed failed failed. haha, but at least I'm making some progress. About to try again now, I'm getting closer each time xP
After so many failed attempts, I am forced to give up.
It's too much work for too little gain.
The whole point of DATA2EXT is twofold: Increase /data space for apps, and increase I/O.
The Desire (what this was originally designed for) has a 150mb /data partition. That's hilariously small.
The Inc has a ~700 mb /data partition.
Hilariously huge.
So, the /data space point is moot.
As for the I/O speeds, there are no real-world benefits. Yes, I/O will increase dramatically in Quadrant, but that's it. Quadrant writes a pretty large amount of files to read I/O, so difference in I/O speed helps.
But that's not the case with apps. Apps store their data in /data/data. The whole of which is usually about 170kb. Yes, Kb. Not even an MB. If I write at 1mb/sec, I'm done in about 0.1 seconds. The I/O will increase throughput to ~2.6mb/sec. I'm done in about 0.065 seconds. That's a 0.035 second difference.
Again, that's if EVERY SINGLE app was writing at once. 0.035 seconds. Negligible.
Haha, I do realize I am making such a strong case against it because I couldn't get it to work xD
So, in the end, Cyanogen was right xP It's just a benchmark hack. Real world performance doesn't depend on I/O.
got it. Now it makes more sense. thanks
finally come to the same conclusion?
i worked on it for a bit, did a bit of research, got it to boot.
after researching a bit more-and being stuck at the FCs where you were-i gave up. cost/benefit ratio just wasnt gootd enough
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finally come to the same conclusion?
i worked on it for a bit, did a bit of research, got it to boot.
after researching a bit more-and being stuck at the FCs where you were-i gave up. cost/benefit ratio just wasnt gootd enough
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Haha, yeah. It's like there's some hidden mount file that I can't control. bleh. It did get kinda funny, EVERY single app FCed and I tried to tap my way through xD Yeah... didn't work so well xP
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Haha, yeah. It's like there's some hidden mount file that I can't control. bleh. It did get kinda funny, EVERY single app FCed and I tried to tap my way through xD Yeah... didn't work so well xP
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ya, you tap REAL fast and think you got all the way through, get a glimpse of a black screen, the BAM! FC for EVERY single app
Hello!
I'm gonna buy a new phone, but idk when. I think I'm gonna buy the LG O2X, though after reading all the problems with it, I'm not sure.
I have heard troubles like:
Shuts down and reboot randomly.
Shows wrong battery percent left.
WiFi stops to work when you turn it on after sleep.
I also heard about 2 people who had their LG out in the sun, when it was like 20-25 degrees and it started to reboot every 2 minute.
If the phone didn't have all these problems, I would definitely get it. But that's apparently not the case.
Damn, this is driving me crazy, I can't decide whether I should get it or not. Please help me.
All the things you've listed are software, the first CM7 nightly is currently building. That said I've not had mine's been mostly fine. No wifi issues, only had odd battery behavior when trying new kernels. Have had a couple of overnight reboots, but not for about 5 days.
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All the things you've listed are software, the first CM7 nightly is currently building. That said I've not had mine's been mostly fine. No wifi issues, only had odd battery behavior when trying new kernels. Have had a couple of overnight reboots, but not for about 5 days.
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Thanks!
I know that the problems I listed is problems with the SW, and can be solved. But the problem about their phone did reboots every 2 minute when they had it outside in the sun. Is the problem I most worry about, since it doesn't sounds like problems with the SW.
I'm not gonna change ROM or something. Since I don't wanna loose my warranty.
And LG doesn't seems to solve problems that quickly, correct me if I'm wrong.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=997705, I read a few pages there, so many seems to have trouble with it. So I really don't know what I should do.
Every 2 minutes? Weird lol. My o2x was right next to me while I was lying in the sun all the time during the easter holidays. No such probs here, actually none of the probs you mentioned. If you get one with constant freezing you can always get an exchange, you know
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Every 2 minutes? Weird lol. My o2x was right next to me while I was lying in the sun all the time during the easter holidays. No such probs here, actually none of the probs you mentioned. If you get one with constant freezing you can always get an exchange, you know
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Sounds good. I guess you're right about exchanging. But I wanna save myself the trouble.
Any software changes you make can be reversed easily enough for warranty purposes.
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Any software changes you make can be reversed easily enough for warranty purposes.
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Alright, that's good. But having to change ROM, to get a good working phone doesn't seems right.
How is the phone at browsing? I've heard that the text isn't best on O2X.
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Alright, that's good. But having to change ROM, to get a good working phone doesn't seems right.
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you can go stock and all is fine.- do not read all those reviews..about rebootings, lags..
I had stock for couple of days and it was very smooth, all fine, no lags, no reboots, then MoDaCo and even this was great.
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I also heard about 2 people who had their LG out in the sun, when it was like 20-25 degrees and it started to reboot every 2 minute.
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Sounds like your friends' phones could have errant processes running in the background and the extra heat from the sun could have pushed the phones into instability.
Ask them to install "Watchdog Task Manager Lite" to monitor the processes running on their phones. If they can track down which app processes are the culprits, they should try to delete or modify the app settings to quieten down their errant behaviours. This should help with the "every 2 mins in sun reboot" issue.
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you can go stock and all is fine.- do not read all those reviews..about rebootings, lags..
I had stock for couple of days and it was very smooth, all fine, no lags, no reboots, then MoDaCo and even this was great.
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Sounds very good. Well, I've mostly read the problems on forums.
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Sounds like your friends' phones could have errant processes running in the background and the extra heat from the sun could have pushed the phones into instability.
Ask them to install "Watchdog Task Manager Lite" to monitor the processes running on their phones. If they can track down which app processes are the culprits, they should try to delete or modify the app settings to quieten down their errant behaviours. This should help with the "every 2 mins in sun reboot" issue.
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I read about this problem in a forum. But thanks for the "Watchdog Task Manager Lite" tip, I guess it could be handy when I get a android phone. If it will be LG O2X, we'll see.
If you are a non-hacker type person, and just want to use the phone straight out of the box, it might be prudent to avoid most, if not all, of the dual-core phones for now. I think the designers and programmers are still trying to iron out the kinks with the new dual-core phones. IMHO, a fast single-core Android phone might probably be a more fuss-free phone straight out of the box than dual-cores currently.
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If you are a non-hacker type person, and just want to use the phone straight out of the box, it might be prudent to avoid most, if not all, of the dual-core phones for now. I think the designers and programmers are still trying to iron out the kinks with the new dual-core phones. IMHO, a fast single-core Android phone might probably be a more fuss-free phone straight out of the box than dual-cores currently.
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Well, I don't change phone that often, so I wanna have future proof phone that isn't too expensive. And I believe this is that phone.
I'm pretty sure I can root it and change rom. But... I'm too afraid I might mess it up.
In forums like these you will mostly read about the issues that some are having, because people tend to seek out these forums when they disover isues - the wast majority may not have any issues and dont post in forums like these. So regardless of which device you get, you will allways find alot of forum posts dealing with whatever bugs some users are facing. The number of issues and error posts for the LG isnt really that big, nothing out of the ordinary, and nothing you wont see just as many or more for ANY other device out there - single core or dual core.
Basically dont get scared off by these but only use it as a guide to perhaps seek for specific bugs which you would not be able to live with untill they get fixed by the manufacturer.
I have 2 LG optimus - one for myself and one for my teenager son
Both bought on the same day 6 weeks ago.
Mine has run completely stable and "errorfree" since day one - not a single random shutdown or lockup bsod - no issues with wifi, 3g or anything - has worked with every single app I tried, no batterydrain (easily get 2 days worth) etc. etc.
They are running completely stock with the only change being a different laucher (GO launcher) to solve the micro stutter in swyping between homescreens which the standard LG launcher has (just a very minor software issue).
The only issues I have left are 2 known issues - which for certain will be solved by some new LG update. One is the lag that happens while installing a new app from market - the other is the memory management which isnt completely optimised causing free memory to sometimes run a litle lower than wanted.
If you arent unlucky and get hit by the random shutdowns and bsod that some users are facing - then you do get a very nice future proof phone that isnt too expensive, and does most things pretty good allready - and will only get better as updates arrives
Imho, rooting and new roms arent really needed, allthough a nice possibility for those that like to tinker and tuning their devices as much as possible - but even without doing so, you will get a nice phone.
I'm planning to get one too so I just started to visit O2X threads. Currently on Motorola Milestone, but I'm sick of it's low RAM. Every new game is force closing. I'll wait for it to get cheaper in my country .
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In forums like these you will mostly read about the issues that some are having, because people tend to seek out these forums when they disover isues - the wast majority may not have any issues and dont post in forums like these. So regardless of which device you get, you will allways find alot of forum posts dealing with whatever bugs some users are facing. The number of issues and error posts for the LG isnt really that big, nothing out of the ordinary, and nothing you wont see just as many or more for ANY other device out there - single core or dual core.
Basically dont get scared off by these but only use it as a guide to perhaps seek for specific bugs which you would not be able to live with untill they get fixed by the manufacturer.
I have 2 LG optimus - one for myself and one for my teenager son
Both bought on the same day 6 weeks ago.
Mine has run completely stable and "errorfree" since day one - not a single random shutdown or lockup bsod - no issues with wifi, 3g or anything - has worked with every single app I tried, no batterydrain (easily get 2 days worth) etc. etc.
They are running completely stock with the only change being a different laucher (GO launcher) to solve the micro stutter in swyping between homescreens which the standard LG launcher has (just a very minor software issue).
The only issues I have left are 2 known issues - which for certain will be solved by some new LG update. One is the lag that happens while installing a new app from market - the other is the memory management which isnt completely optimised causing free memory to sometimes run a litle lower than wanted.
If you arent unlucky and get hit by the random shutdowns and bsod that some users are facing - then you do get a very nice future proof phone that isnt too expensive, and does most things pretty good allready - and will only get better as updates arrives
Imho, rooting and new roms arent really needed, allthough a nice possibility for those that like to tinker and tuning their devices as much as possible - but even without doing so, you will get a nice phone.
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You're probably right. I've read alot of threads. It's so weird, some have many problems with the phone and some have not. I really don't wanna have problems with reboots and wifi.
I'm still not sure if I should get it or not. I don't really see any other future proof alternatives in the same price range. The SGS2 is too expensive.
This is definitely not easy, maybe I should wait and see if they fix all problems. But IDK which phone I should get instead.
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You're probably right. I've read alot of threads. It's so weird, some have many problems with the phone and some have not. I really don't wanna have problems with reboots and wifi.
I'm still not sure if I should get it or not. I don't really see any other future proof alternatives in the same price range. The SGS2 is too expensive.
This is definitely not easy, maybe I should wait and see if they fix all problems. But IDK which phone I should get instead.
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I've seen some reviews of SGS2 and it seems laggier than O2X. First I noticed that in Shrek Kart video (I've seen SGS2, than compared to O2X), after that it seemed that SGS2's launcher is laggy too -.-' ... maybe I just watched fake/bad reviews ^^.
Well i had phone for around 2 weeks and have not had any of the reboot issues as for batt draining if u ture of back ground data then this reduces it massivly, the handset is on of the best around. As for LG not doing update to solve problems i think that is unfair they do seem to be listerning with in a few days of me gettting hand set went from 10b to 10d. So i would say that if you want future proof device then this is the one and if you want game then its a no brainer
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I've seen some reviews of SGS2 and it seems laggier than O2X. First I noticed that in Shrek Kart video (I've seen SGS2, than compared to O2X), after that it seemed that SGS2's launcher is laggy too -.-' ... maybe I just watched fake/bad reviews ^^.
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Okay, I haven't watch any review of that phone. Since it's too expensive.
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Well i had phone for around 2 weeks and have not had any of the reboot issues as for batt draining if u ture of back ground data then this reduces it massivly, the handset is on of the best around. As for LG not doing update to solve problems i think that is unfair they do seem to be listerning with in a few days of me gettting hand set went from 10b to 10d. So i would say that if you want future proof device then this is the one and if you want game then its a no brainer
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Alright. I think I'll get the O2X then. Though, I'm not gonna get it before they fixed these problems.
I read in a review that the OS takes about 300 mb ram.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/07/lg-optimus-2x-review/
So I have about 200 mb free for my apps. That doesn't sound much, but maybe it's enough? Well, this is going to be my first smartphone, so I don't really know how much RAM app takes.
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I read in a review that the OS takes about 300 mb ram.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/07/lg-optimus-2x-review/
So I have about 200 mb free for my apps. That doesn't sound much, but maybe it's enough? Well, this is going to be my first smartphone, so I don't really know how much RAM the app takes.
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don´t worry about that this phone has more you need..
I'm itching to install it but I'd like to hear from some people who have used it first.
I'd advise against it.
No need, since no weak memory allocation and management like the DX2.
I did it worked had to get correct busybox version couldn't tell if anything really happened but why the avoid krazy?
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Have you rebooted your device? If not give that a go, and tell me how it works out for you.
I didn’t' even execute any options with the script and it cause me to bootloop once I rebooted, and someone else experienced the same.
I did bootlooped factory rest got my stuff back re-supercharged and works fine I even did a reboot after 30mins and still worked
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No need, since no weak memory allocation and management like the DX2.
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I figured as much, but I am getting a pretty decent amount of lag, even after fully removing bloatware (about 32 apps total). I don't see how people are claiming 200mb free. Even after bloatware removal, I still only have 80-130 free at any given time, and I personally hate using an app-killer.
Don't get me wrong, I do know that Android will try and use up any memory that is free and that having a low number of RAM available isn't a bad thing. But, as I stated earlier, I am experiencing a good amount of lag from time to time (mainly due to my widgets I would assume).
I did a factory reset and a battery pull 2 days ago, and the boot-up process is twice as fast now...just as it was when I first bought the phone. But the lag is still present, and the REDRAWING is driving me absolutely insane.
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Have you rebooted your device? If not give that a go, and tell me how it works out for you.
I didn’t' even execute any options with the script and it cause me to bootloop once I rebooted, and someone else experienced the same.
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Yeah. That was me. I did run the script though. It didn't even get past the Droid part of the boot animation. A factory reset will fix it, and you'll still have root after.
Silly rabbits V6 is for Froyo!
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Silly rabbits V6 is for Froyo!
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not true; v6 is for all android OS released so far. It was specifically developed for Gingerbread, but works well on Froyo also.
BUT: There are still conflicting reports that changes it makes in the /system folder may cause problems with the D3, so until an .sbf is available, i'd proceed with great caution doing ANYTHING to the D3 that is not entirely in userspace.
I removed most of the bloat I was comfortable pulling off... but I must say the biggest jump in responsiveness has been from tweaking the build.prop to increase the events per second (I'm at 120) and VM memory (64m).
Please, err on the side of caution right now as we have no sbf, no clockwork recovery. I had to sbf my D2 enough times playing with things I didn't think had a chance of breaking it, that did, that I'm very careful what I poke at on my daily driver, and urge you to as well
Can we run SuperCharger on our phones? And if we can can somebody please give me instructions. I will be very thankful.
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Can we run SuperCharger on our phones? And if we can can somebody please give me instructions. I will be very thankful.
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Most folks here don't use that anymore and for good reason, the script does more harm than good. Most of the custom ROMs/kernels are pre-tweaked these days for the most part and a script like V6 tends to just clash with them. That being said, if you are still are determined to use it all you need is Script manager from Play. Download the V6 script and then run it using that app. At least make a nandroid so you can undo things if the results are undesirable for you.
Yea I just won't. But this phone is an OK phone but I want to try and squeeze as much ram and not to make it run behind like it does really well on slim bean 4.1.2 but I just want to get everything out of this phone as I can.
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Yea I just won't. But this phone is an OK phone but I want to try and squeeze as much ram and not to make it run behind like it does really well on slim bean 4.1.2 but I just want to get everything out of this phone as I can.
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Try Auto Killer to manage the RAM, it's about as good or better than anything. Just always keep in mind that with only 512mb of RAM and less than 360mb usable RAM you will never get a lag free experience unless you use a Gingerbread ROM.
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Try Auto Killer to manage the RAM, it's about as good or better than anything. Just always keep in mind that with only 512mb of RAM and less than 360mb usable RAM you will never get a lag free experience unless you use a Gingerbread ROM.
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Really? While you do make some good points, I'd have to disagree with you about a couple of things. First off, using auto killers isn't a good idea with Android, period. They do more harm down the road, causing instabilities in the ROM and apps. There are several write-ups about this around the web - just search and you'll find them. Secondly, even the stock TouchWiz GB is slow and laggy, as is Peach Sunrise and all the other GB ROMs. Sorry, but it's true. Some ROMs might seem okay, but when it comes right down to it, Jelly Bean has been a major improvement in overall speed. I'm sure if you put 2 Exhibit's side-by-side with stock Gingerbread and a vanila JB AOSP (such as SuperNexus), compared the speed and responsiveness, the JB device would win hands-down.
There are ways to help with the performance of this phone, however. There's a whole thread dedicated to it right here. Something not mentioned there because that thread is a little dated, is the beautiful app known as Greenify. Essentially, what Greenify does is freeze/unfreeze apps on-the-fly. It's a similar method to how you do it with Titanium Backup or other apps that can freeze apps, but Greenify does it in such a way that the apps don't disappear from the launcher, and will unfreeze them as soon as they're opened. When they're frozen, they won't take up precious RAM, CPU cycles, and won't drain the battery. Due to it's nature of freezing apps, it's not recommended to use Greenify on the launcher, live wallpapers, icon packs, or anything you use widgets with. All other apps (especially Facebook) are fair game. Good luck!
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Really? While you do make some good points, I'd have to disagree with you about a couple of things. First off, using auto killers isn't a good idea with Android, period. They do more harm down the road, causing instabilities in the ROM and apps. There are several write-ups about this around the web - just search and you'll find them. Secondly, even the stock TouchWiz GB is slow and laggy, as is Peach Sunrise and all the other GB ROMs. Sorry, but it's true. Some ROMs might seem okay, but when it comes right down to it, Jelly Bean has been a major improvement in overall speed. I'm sure if you put 2 Exhibit's side-by-side with stock Gingerbread and a vanila JB AOSP (such as SuperNexus), compared the speed and responsiveness, the JB device would win hands-down.
There are ways to help with the performance of this phone, however. There's a whole thread dedicated to it right here. Something not mentioned there because that thread is a little dated, is the beautiful app known as Greenify. Essentially, what Greenify does is freeze/unfreeze apps on-the-fly. It's a similar method to how you do it with Titanium Backup or other apps that can freeze apps, but Greenify does it in such a way that the apps don't disappear from the launcher, and will unfreeze them as soon as they're opened. When they're frozen, they won't take up precious RAM, CPU cycles, and won't drain the battery. Due to it's nature of freezing apps, it's not recommended to use Greenify on the launcher, live wallpapers, icon packs, or anything you use widgets with. All other apps (especially Facebook) are fair game. Good luck!
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Actually I have the answer courtesy of Hatememarkez. NOS script: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158329
As I just posted over in the Pacman thread amazingly I was able to get Gnow, Maps, Poweramp and Boat Browser running at the same time and my phone did not freeze up. No lag even. I'm in shock right now with the hell I've been through with this phone.
I know about Greenify but frankly I don't think it does much as I didn't get battery improvement or performance improvement out of it. Reason being your biggest resource eater in JB are Google apps. Greenify won't keep them hibernated. Seeder helps a little bit, but just a little.
On those GB ROMs, forget Peach. I'm talking about RebelROM and CM7. They are the fastest ROMs we have for this phone, just my opinion as I've used about everything that is offered for this phone. Although right now Baked Bean in conjunction with NOS is kicking major a** so I may have to amend my comments. Thing is I've been burned every time I say something like that so who knows. If a week from now things are the same, then it's V-day!
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Actually I have the answer courtesy of Hatememarkez. NOS script: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158329
As I just posted over in the Pacman thread amazingly I was able to get Gnow, Maps, Poweramp and Boat Browser running at the same time and my phone did not freeze up. No lag even. I'm in shock right now with the hell I've been through with this phone.
I know about Greenify but frankly I don't think it does much as I didn't get battery improvement or performance improvement out of it. Reason being your biggest resource eater in JB are Google apps. Greenify won't keep them hibernated. Seeder helps a little bit, but just a little.
On those GB ROMs, forget Peach. I'm talking about RebelROM and CM7. They are the fastest ROMs we have for this phone, just my opinion as I've used about everything that is offered for this phone. Although right now Baked Bean in conjunction with NOS is kicking major a** so I may have to amend my comments. Thing is I've been burned every time I say something like that so who knows. If a week from now things are the same, then it's V-day!
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Do you know if NOS script would work with slimbean 4.1.2?
it should just read the thread and do a backup
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it should just read the thread and do a backup
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Thanks for your reply. Also, do you happen to know how the tweaks in NOS script differ from V6?
i have no idea. i only used v6 once and the was a few phones ago when i had the note
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Thanks for your reply. Also, do you happen to know how the tweaks in NOS script differ from V6?
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Read the two threads to compare but far as I'm concerned the difference is that NOS actually works for the ROM and not against it. It's also MUCH easier to install than that cumbersome script V6 uses.
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Read the two threads to compare but far as I'm concerned the difference is that NOS actually works for the ROM and not against it. It's also MUCH easier to install than that cumbersome script V6 uses.
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I would read the threads but I'm an amateur at this stuff, so I'm can't really understand the jargon yet. I'm looking into trying NOS though; how can I check my busybox version?
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I would read the threads but I'm an amateur at this stuff, so I'm can't really understand the jargon yet. I'm looking into trying NOS though; how can I check my busybox version?
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Just open the Busy Box app and it will tell you. If you install updates from Play you should have the latest version though.
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Just open the Busy Box app and it will tell you. If you install updates from Play you should have the latest version though.
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Thanks. I looked from the busybox app and it only lets me install up to 1.20.2. The NOS script requires 1.20.4?
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Thanks. I looked from the busybox app and it only lets me install up to 1.20.2. The NOS script requires 1.20.4?
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Look closer, it's 1.21.0. If not you need an update from Play.
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Look closer, it's 1.21.0. If not you need an update from Play.
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I was using the wrong busybox app from the play store.... haha thanks a bunch
I've had pretty much every nexus device, but last year I decided to get myself an Iphone 6, but I really missed android, so I'm about to get the nexus 6 but some issues are keeping me from doing it, I've read quite a few reviews and I'm concerned about the following issues:
1. Why is the camera so slow to take pictures? You think it could improve in the future? That's probably the thing I like the most about the iphone 6, how good the pictures come and how the camera is blazing fast
2. Is it true that the device is slower than the nexus 5? Have updates improved this situation? My nexus 5 already stuttered with Lollipop, Ive read quite a few reports about the phone slowing down and lagging for no apparent reason (except for maybe the quadHD killing the cpu/gpu)
3. How true are the reports of screen burn in?
4. How do non google apps and icons look? I imagine pretty bad since facebook or instagram's icons haven't even been updated to take advantage of a 1080p screen
5. Is it true that the device has slow storage a step down from the nexus reading and writing speeds?
Thanks for your help
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I've had pretty much every nexus device, but last year I decided to get myself an Iphone 6, but I really missed android, so I'm about to get the nexus 6 but some issues are keeping me from doing it, I've read quite a few reviews and I'm concerned about the following issues:
1. Why is the camera so slow to take pictures? You think it could improve in the future? That's probably the thing I like the most about the iphone 6, how good the pictures come and how the camera is blazing fast
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The actual act of taking a picture is fast, its just focusing that is slow. If you focus manually or fixed, it will take pictures amazingly fast.
2. Is it true that the device is slower than the nexus 5? Have updates improved this situation? My nexus 5 already stuttered with Lollipop, Ive read quite a few reports about the phone slowing down and lagging for no apparent reason (except for maybe the quadHD killing the cpu/gpu)
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Not at all true.
3. How true are the reports of screen burn in?
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Completely imaginary.
4. How do non google apps and icons look? I imagine pretty bad since facebook or instagram's icons haven't even been updated to take advantage of a 1080p screen
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Where are you coming up with these questions? The only icon I've seen that actually looks bad, is the one for my bank... and it looks bad on ANY screen. Screen resolution is not so tightly tied to "icons" -- bigger screen = more icons. Also, Nexus 5 was already a 1080p display. I also hardly consider this question to be meaningful. Who really cares what icons look like? The objective is to maximize USEFULNESS.
5. Is it true that the device has slow storage a step down from the nexus reading and writing speeds?
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No. Flash storage is blazingly fast on this device, HOWEVER, the "default configuration" enables data partition encryption by force, which reduces the EFFECTIVE flash performance to nexus 5 level (which is still very good). Simple adjustment to a text file on the boot partition allows this to be disabled. It is also probable/possible that Google will be enabling hardware crypto on the next update.
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The actual act of taking a picture is fast, its just focusing that is slow. If you focus manually or fixed, it will take pictures amazingly fast.
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I see, we will see if it changes with the 5.1" update, I remember the first big update for the nexus 5 did wonders for the camera
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Completely imaginary.
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http://nexus5.wonderhowto.com/how-to/fix-screen-burns-your-nexus-6-other-amoled-device-0159397/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/burn-t2955765
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Where are you coming up with these questions? The only icon I've seen that actually looks bad, is the one for my bank... and it looks bad on ANY screen. Screen resolution is not so tightly tied to "icons" -- bigger screen = more icons. Also, Nexus 5 was already a 1080p display. I also hardly consider this question to be meaningful. Who really cares what icons look like? The objective is to maximize USEFULNESS.
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I'm sorry, I know it sounds ridiculous but I'm studying to become a designer and that kind of things really bother me , as far as I know if you don't update the resolution for the icons and increase the resolution of the display you end up with fuzzy icons
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No. Flash storage is blazingly fast on this device, HOWEVER, the "default configuration" enables data partition encryption by force, which reduces the EFFECTIVE flash performance to nexus 5 level (which is still very good). Simple adjustment to a text file on the boot partition allows this to be disabled. It is also probable/possible that Google will be enabling hardware crypto on the next update.
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I'm in agreement with @doitright. I can say nothing but good about this device. I do not have any of those issues nor know of any that do. As with any device though there are always some bad ones that an unlucky few receive. It does not make all of them bad just those. My phone is a beast. It outperforms the N5 by miles. Screen looks amazing. Icons to me look great I haven't come across a bad looking icon except that of my bank.... I guess banks hire poor developers idk. Storage is incredibly fast. Camera is fantastic. Fastest signal acquisition I've seen on any phone including GPS.
Eh. Entirely up to you what you want to do. I don't trust any reviews. I rather go with my own opinions/feelings on anything. You should too.
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I'm sorry, I know it sounds ridiculous but I'm studying to become a designer and that kind of things really bother me , as far as I know if you don't update the resolution for the icons and increase the resolution of the display you end up with fuzzy icons
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App icons are controlled by the dev. I've never seen a fuzzy one.
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No. Flash storage is blazingly fast on this device, HOWEVER, the "default configuration" enables data partition encryption by force, which reduces the EFFECTIVE flash performance to nexus 5 level (which is still very good). Simple adjustment to a text file on the boot partition allows this to be disabled. It is also probable/possible that Google will be enabling hardware crypto on the next update.
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I'm awaiting this Thursday to grab one on VZ, coming from a Galaxy Nexus, anything I could get now would be a major update hardware wise, however the only exception I take is the last part of this, not trying so start anything, your other parts are spot on.
The current speculation is that 5.1 may go backwards on forcing software encryption, but nothing is confirmed there, see last paragraph:
http://www.slashgear.com/android-5-1-in-march-heres-what-may-be-coming-18369666/
If the Nexus 6 had the HW encryption on it, and I cant confirm it does, we're left with these options:
1 - they do enable it, which begs why it wasn't in the first place. Current rumor is that the qualcomm drivers for that engine are not open source, therefore it is a no no on android:
http://androidheadlines.com/2014/11...ency-likely-due-missing-qualcomm-drivers.html
2 - they tweak the software encryption, which if you check the threads, opinions really vary here. if you need to irk the absolute most out if it for read write, then undo it. But plenty of others have chimed in saying it wasn't that big an increase, i believe it to be what you may be using on the device that makes the difference, more intensive apps may cause the SW process to bog down, but in all, it is still fast.
3 - they disable it by default, which I wonder how that would be accomplished in an OTA, it would need to wipe the device I'm sure, but ...
4 - Lastly, if in fact they cant use the engine, or it wasn't included (doubtful, it has qualcomm in it) then you cant enable it by an OTA, end of that story.
Personally, if I grab the N6 this week, I plan on unlocking/rooting/removing VZ oem partition, but for the moment leaving encryption on, because 5.1 may drop in March, and then see how things are at that juncture.
It would be great if they could enable HW encryption, because we get that security and maintain read write offloaded from the CPU.
Lastly, I plan on trying to enjoy the thing, playing with it for at least an hour in store before taking it (you never know) because as most of us here are OC hehe, reading all the threads of issues before buying it is kinda a downer. I know I'm going to love it, having waited three years to update myself.
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The current speculation is that 5.1 may go backwards on forcing software encryption, but nothing is confirmed there, see last paragraph:
http://www.slashgear.com/android-5-1-in-march-heres-what-may-be-coming-18369666/
If the Nexus 6 had the HW encryption on it, and I cant confirm it does, we're left with these options:
1 - they do enable it, which begs why it wasn't in the first place. Current rumor is that the qualcomm drivers for that engine are not open source, therefore it is a no no on android:
http://androidheadlines.com/2014/11...ency-likely-due-missing-qualcomm-drivers.html.
3 - they disable it by default, which I wonder how that would be accomplished in an OTA, it would need to wipe the device I'm sure, but ...
4 - Lastly, if in fact they cant use the engine, or it wasn't included (doubtful, it has qualcomm in it) then you cant enable it by an OTA, end of that story.
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That's what I was thinking about, would it be possible for them to get rid of the encryption with an OTA , I would think that one needs to factory reset your device
Chad_Petree said:
I see, we will see if it changes with the 5.1" update, I remember the first big update for the nexus 5 did wonders for the camera
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Focus is a PHYSICAL MOVEMENT of the lens. No update will change the amount of time it takes to move the lens.
http://nexus5.wonderhowto.com/how-to/fix-screen-burns-your-nexus-6-other-amoled-device-0159397/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/burn-t2955765
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I congratulate you on finding a thread about an imaginary problem, and a "fix" for an imaginary problem.
There is a certain subset of people who will do anything, IMAGINE anything, to find a problem. Don't ask me why they are like that. Sucks to be them.
I'm sorry, I know it sounds ridiculous but I'm studying to become a designer and that kind of things really bother me , as far as I know if you don't update the resolution for the icons and increase the resolution of the display you end up with fuzzy icons
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You can't do anything to increase the fuzzyness of an image, unless you actually stretch it larger. I.e., if it takes the same physical space on the screen, then increasing the DPI on the screen won't cause it to become more fuzzy -- it just won't increase in SHARPNESS with the display. Google has specifications regarding the dimensions of the icons, and these specifications have always included a "much larger" image than what will actually display on the screen. The icons actually get scaled down to fit. So really, don't worry about it. If you find an application with a ugly/fuzzy icon, complain to the application vendor, because they're the ones who made an ugly icon, not the platform.
I just can't stress enough, that this is a silly point to use to avoid a device.
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I'm awaiting this Thursday to grab one on VZ, coming from a Galaxy Nexus, anything I could get now would be a major update hardware wise, however the only exception I take is the last part of this, not trying so start anything, your other parts are spot on.
The current speculation is that 5.1 may go backwards on forcing software encryption, but nothing is confirmed there, see last paragraph:
http://www.slashgear.com/android-5-1-in-march-heres-what-may-be-coming-18369666/
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I *absolutely promise you* that they WILL NOT eliminate the encryption requirement. Those "android one" devices are... really really cheap. It is likely that they don't force encryption simply because they are not up to the task.
If the Nexus 6 had the HW encryption on it, and I cant confirm it does, we're left with these options:
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I CAN confirm that it does. There is no question at all. It is part of all snapdragon SoC's since about S4.
1 - they do enable it, which begs why it wasn't in the first place. Current rumor is that the qualcomm drivers for that engine are not open source, therefore it is a no no on android:
http://androidheadlines.com/2014/11...ency-likely-due-missing-qualcomm-drivers.html
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There are two sides to the use of encryption hardware with qualcomm SoC's; the first is the "blobs", and the second is the integration with Android and the Linux kernel. Specifically, qualcomm's hardware crypto requires changes both to the kernel (which is under GPL), as well as VOLD (which is under APL).
Obviously, to include the kernel part, that kernel part MUST be provided as source. There is absolutely no option here.
VOLD is the part of Android responsible for mounting and managing disks. It is under the Apache license, which means that technically speaking, it can be distributed without including source, HOWEVER, this is a Nexus from Google, which means that they really can't ship a blob in place of VOLD. It has to be possible to build VOLD from AOSP.
So here is what was going on; at the time that Nexus 6 first shipped, Qualcomm HAD NOT made the source for Kernel or Vold available on CAF. That made it *impossible* for Google to include, since they would have to provide kernel code on request, and require that AOSP VOLD actually build and work.
QUALCOMM HAS SINCE MADE THE SOURCE AVAILABLE!!!!
And, in fact, there are a number of devices for which CM actually builds and includes hwcrypto *right now*.
2 - they tweak the software encryption, which if you check the threads, opinions really vary here. if you need to irk the absolute most out if it for read write, then undo it. But plenty of others have chimed in saying it wasn't that big an increase, i believe it to be what you may be using on the device that makes the difference, more intensive apps may cause the SW process to bog down, but in all, it is still fast.
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This isn't even a half solution, because even though it may seem to improve storage performance to an acceptable level, it has to nail the CPU while doing so.
3 - they disable it by default, which I wonder how that would be accomplished in an OTA, it would need to wipe the device I'm sure, but ...
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Technically possible, but I *promise* you, it won't happen.
4 - Lastly, if in fact they cant use the engine, or it wasn't included (doubtful, it has qualcomm in it) then you cant enable it by an OTA, end of that story.
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Most definitely CAN be used. No question about it.
Personally, if I grab the N6 this week, I plan on unlocking/rooting/removing VZ oem partition, but for the moment leaving encryption on, because 5.1 may drop in March, and then see how things are at that juncture.
It would be great if they could enable HW encryption, because we get that security and maintain read write offloaded from the CPU.
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You could disable crypto now, and let it encrypt when the update rolls around. Disabling forced-crypto does not prevent you from using crypto now or later.
Lastly, I plan on trying to enjoy the thing, playing with it for at least an hour in store before taking it (you never know) because as most of us here are OC hehe, reading all the threads of issues before buying it is kinda a downer. I know I'm going to love it, having waited three years to update myself.
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Keep in mind that the test unit in the store gets abused.
DIR,
Looked forward to your responses on my last post, and was not dissapointed, nice info there, especially "QUALCOMM HAS SINCE MADE THE SOURCE AVAILABLE!!!!"
so has anyone done a comparison between the hwcrypto'd CM versions and unencrypted yet?
Yeah, I know the store ones get abused, in the end it would be a N6 or a GS6 for me, and I just cannot go to touchwiz, no matter how toned down, I want pure android, and unlocking ability, etc. Kinda makes the choice or me hehehe.
Dammit VZ, if you just announce online ordering tomorrow ... grrr .....
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Focus is a PHYSICAL MOVEMENT of the lens. No update will change the amount of time it takes to move the lens.
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Oh oh well, nothing is perfect
doitright said:
You could disable crypto now, and let it encrypt when the update rolls around. Disabling forced-crypto does not prevent you from using crypto now or later.
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What would be the point of deactivating to reactivate later?
Chad_Petree said:
Oh oh well, nothing is perfect
What would be the point of deactivating to reactivate later?
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I would guess deactivate to gain read/write speed increase now, if the update enables HW encryption then you would let it.
Oh, and that is the point - nothing is perfect, not the N6, nor the units that will come after it hehehe....
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DIR,
Looked forward to your responses on my last post, and was not dissapointed, nice info there, especially "QUALCOMM HAS SINCE MADE THE SOURCE AVAILABLE!!!!"
so has anyone done a comparison between the hwcrypto'd CM versions and unencrypted yet?
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I said on *some* devices. I did not say that they were enabling it on Nexus 6.
Yeah, I know the store ones get abused, in the end it would be a N6 or a GS6 for me, and I just cannot go to touchwiz, no matter how toned down, I want pure android, and unlocking ability, etc. Kinda makes the choice or me hehehe.
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Yep, I'm totally with you on that. My last phone was a samsuck.... NEVER again. I spent WAY too many hundreds of hours on kernel and device tree maintenance to get and keep that thing working adequately on CM... then Omnirom (omni is waaaaaay nicer than CM). After a year of ownership of that thing, got the wife a Hammerhead (nexus 5), and its been just so easy to maintain. Literally all I ever did with her phone was add root, busybox, and xposed (to kill a couple of the google services wakelocks). This time around, I wanted the thing to just freaking work already!!!! Only downside is that its a bit *larger* than I would have liked.
Dammit VZ, if you just announce online ordering tomorrow ... grrr .....
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I don't think that you should buy from verizon, even if/when they sell it directly. It will likely be crippled and branded, at least to some extent. Buy it from tmobile or google play store, and all you need to do is throw your verizon sim card into it. I think I heard that sprint also does not molest it. Oh, it could also be purchased directly from motorola.
Just whatever you do, do NOT buy it from ATT. They DO molest and cripple it.
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What would be the point of deactivating to reactivate later?
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To gain RW performance NOW... DUH.
I'll be getting it from VZ, because I just don't have the spare $$$ to buy direct and place it on VZ.
ATT taught us that VZ will have to toss its bloat on the oem partition just like anyone else, so ... as far as branding, I think that may rub off like ATT's, but if not I plan on putting in a case anyway.
Now we have to wait another two weeks if the newest rumor is true ...