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[Q] I wish Samsung would release official JB!

Hello everyone, as the title suggests if only Sammy released JB for my phone. I love the look and feel of it on the S3 but just dont like the phone, its too big and bulky IMHO. I am eagerly waiting for the S4.
Anyway, the reason for the post, i have been using CM10 on my I9000 for the last couple of weeks, i actually love it ands it actually pretty stable but and its a BIG BUT the battery drain finally killed the last remnants of patience i had with it. 12-15hrs on one battery charge is just not satisfactory.....so ive gone back to stock GB 2.3.6 and already the battery life has dramatically increased. Is this a firmware issue or poor hardware I wonder.
In anycase i would like JB back on this phone but I would like at least the same battery performance as GB, so my question really is about which JB ROM i could use?
Anyone got any ideas, recommendations or rom-avoidance advice? Anything would be helpful and much appreciated.
Thankyou!
G.

Use a different modem, and try a tweakable kernel like Semaphore. Also install betterbatterystats. That will tell you what's keeping your phone awake. I get two days out of my worn out two year old battery on the latest CM10 with low to medium use. Back on ICS, before I changed the modem, a RILJ wakelock would keep it awake pretty much all the time and I had about 12-15 hours of battery life. I'd rather Samsung stay as far away from software development as possible because nothing they have ever done in that department has been even remotely usable.

I also wish Samsung would release official JB for the I9000, but I'm afraid it's never gonna happen. They have left the I9000 behind it seems, and I think Gingerbread 2.3.6 was the last ever official update. It's custom ROM's from now on for the Galaxy S.

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FjarrKontroll said:
Use a different modem, and try a tweakable kernel like Semaphore. Also install betterbatterystats. That will tell you what's keeping your phone awake. I get two days out of my worn out two year old battery on the latest CM10 with low to medium use. Back on ICS, before I changed the modem, a RILJ wakelock would keep it awake pretty much all the time and I had about 12-15 hours of battery life. I'd rather Samsung stay as far away from software development as possible because nothing they have ever done in that department has been even remotely usable.
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try a different modem??? try a different kernel??? i apologise i dont really know what you mean....
1. are you suggesting you can change the modem - how on earth do you do that??
2. ive heard the word Kernel being used but actually dont know what one is or what it does. complete novice to all this im afraid - i know about ROMs (for JB) like Cyanogen CM10, Slimbean and HellyBean etc etc, and have actually heard of this Semaphore but not actually knowing what it is!
Can you explain what this all means at all ?
btw - i get your point about Samsung especially on thier own non-andriod phones. to be fair the stock roms work flawlessly on my i9000 and the UI progression from Eclair to GB is staggering...even if it is cloaked as Andriod development....still looks and feels better than any Iphone. Thats what i meant by i wish Samsung would of developed ICS and JB for the I9000.

What helps in terms of battery life CM roms is:
-using 2d as much as possible and 3d only when needed (browsing, downloading apps etc). Problem is that 2g mode will not allow you to use data and make phone calls at the same time
-disable location services or at least gps when not used
-freeze/remove apps you are not using (stock email, talk, gmaps are battery drainers)
-disable CM built in app&data backup and use TB instead
-use lowest acceptable screen brightness
-buy a brand new battery
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salomann said:
What helps in terms of battery life CM roms is:
-using 2d as much as possible and 3d only when needed (browsing, downloading apps etc). Problem is that 2g mode will not allow you to use data and make phone calls at the same time
-disable location services or at least gps when not used
-freeze/remove apps you are not using (stock email, talk, gmaps are battery drainers)
-disable CM built in app&data backup and use TB instead
-use lowest acceptable screen brightness
-buy a brand new battery
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Hmmmm well all that seems like a gr8 idea but then what would be the point of flashing CM or any JB custom rom if i werent going to be able to use the features within it, like you would an S3 ??!!!! Kinda seems pointless to me... At the end of the day JB is the latest and greatest version, youd want to use and explore its capabilites as much as you can, without comprimising hardware performance..
Surely there must be a non battery draining and stable version of JB out there.......:crying:

@up
Totally agree with you. These are just workarounds that make you able to survive a day without recharging but at the same time limit user's satisfaction from owning a multifunctional device (eg no location and gps = no Google now). I'm switching to SGS2 that will get official jb shortly so will see if it gets better battery life but I do not expect miracles. The only hope in Google and Motorola cooperation. Motorola's battery + updates from Google must make a great combo
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Just buy a new battery,bigger
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geoffjac10 said:
try a different modem??? try a different kernel??? i apologise i dont really know what you mean....
1. are you suggesting you can change the modem - how on earth do you do that??
2. ive heard the word Kernel being used but actually dont know what one is or what it does. complete novice to all this im afraid - i know about ROMs (for JB) like Cyanogen CM10, Slimbean and HellyBean etc etc, and have actually heard of this Semaphore but not actually knowing what it is!
Can you explain what this all means at all ?
btw - i get your point about Samsung especially on thier own non-andriod phones. to be fair the stock roms work flawlessly on my i9000 and the UI progression from Eclair to GB is staggering...even if it is cloaked as Andriod development....still looks and feels better than any Iphone. Thats what i meant by i wish Samsung would of developed ICS and JB for the I9000.
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Before anything else, please install CM10.1 (http://get.cm/?device=galaxysmtd), CPU Spy (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bvalosek.cpuspy) and BetterBatteryStats. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809)
Now in BetterBatteryStats, look at the "partial wakelocks" near the end of a day's charge and drain cycle. This will tell you what was keeping your phone awake. My money is on RILJ being at the top of the list and active for several hours. If that is the case, you need to change your modem. Check CPU Spy as well to see how much time your phone spends sleeping when it's supposed to.
Modems
The "modem" is basically like a driver file for the phone's radios and such. (Cell radio, WiFi, GPS, etc) It tells the phone how to use those things. So some modems are less efficient or not tuned as well for your specific carrier.
http://soggycashew.weebly.com/i9000-modems.html - Here is a collection of modems packaged in Clockwork Mod zip files. If you were able to install CM10, I'm sure you know how to install them.
Go to the "i9000_release_dates.txt" file and try the most recent one. If you have an i9000M which supports the 850MHz band, only use the 850MHz-capable modems. Likewise, if you have a regular i9000, don't use those. Testing may take at least day or so each. If you're still seeing a RILJ wakelock time more than about 20 minutes a day, try the next latest one.
Kernels
The "Kernel" is sort of like the BIOS in a PC. It starts up first then Android runs on top of it. Android communicates with the kernel, and then the kernel communicates with your phone's hardware. It runs the screen, sound chip, vibrator, radios, everything. Some kernels are basic and only include what they need to run the phone normally (like the stock Cyanogenmod kernel) and some are made to let you change all sorts of settings of how they operate.
I highly recommend Semaphore JB for CM10.1
You'll find that here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786220
And the app to change settings here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.semaphore.sm
For improved power savings, use the app to turn on Deep Idle, make sure WiFi PM FAST is disabled, and you may as well turn on fast charge. (no power saving, but a shorter charge time is nice)
Android
Now this stuff is pretty simple, but it can be overlooked. Make sure to turn off apps that auto-update or at least lower their update frequency as much as possible. These are brutal for battery life. With your Google account, only enable sync for things you NEED to have updated automatically. Like Gmail and Chrome. Things like Contacts and Calendar you can update manually whenever you want but you probably don't need it constantly ready to sync. You can also do things like lower the screen brightness and turn off the fancy stuff, but I don't bother. 100% screen brightness all the time for me. I'd rather have a good experience than another couple minutes of battery.
I really hope this all helps and you can get on the latest ROM without the crippling battery drain these phones sometimes get. And you have the right idea about keeping all the effects and things on. Everything's active when the screen is on anyway, so battery savings will be negligible. Good luck!

All operating systems have a kernel, Windows, OS-X, Linux, whatever, it's just that in a closed system like Windows no-one knows its specifics or can do anything to it, whereas Linux's can be.
(Take a look at your screen when turning on your phone, the kernel image is not the first you see)
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They should do that as soon as possible as the JB thing means a great progress in Android development. The new OS is really faster, covers alot of minuses from the previous versions and Samsung, being so good in the last few years they should stay in touch with new, good ROMs if they dont want to begin to have Google as their second conquerent.
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I wished that samsung have followed apple's example and released the last version of OS for every phones which work with that.

wilsonxc said:
I wished that samsung have followed apple's example and released the last version of OS for every phones which work with that.
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Apple just stops updating devices for no better reason than they want to force upgrades, it's not like the old devices wouldn't work. Like what Samsung did here, except at least porting Android over would take a little bit of work/time. Still no better though. Apple also holds "features" back from older devices purely to market something new on their otherwise indistinguishable upgrade. (like Siri)
Nobody, including Apple, should follow Apple's example. I think Samsung should stop bothering with bastardizing Android and just hand the drivers over to the devs here, because they actually make software people actually want to use, and enjoy using.

...its very sad that i9000 won't get ( >= ICS), sgs1 is still very good phone...

Wish, you were here...
successfully using cm10 stable without any customized kernels , no battery drains, just do a factory reset from firmware settings, and you will be happy
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How to get a buttery experience w/ our phone

Since I have gotten this phone I have noticed an influx of complaints about how slow and laggy this phone is due to it's low RAM. I too have experienced these same issues as everyone else. After using the Galaxy S 3 since July it was hard not treating this phone like it was a power house. Well this phone obviously isn't, and as Android OS and Apps are advancing the slower this phone is going to seem. Remembering what life was like when I had the Samsung Intercept on Virgin Mobile I was able to get some what of a buttery experience with this phone. So I am just going to share my set up and what I am doing, and other's may share their experience. My hopes is that we can all learn what to do and what not to do and somewhere in between. I am no expert and do hope to learn some pointers from people more experiences and more qualified than me
#1 I am using a light weight rom, slim bean 4.1 to be exact I am sure any rom will do, but with this phone I would assume less is more in terms of performance. Also play around see what works best for you, ,GB, ICS, JB4.1, JB4.2. There is no best rom just best rom for you. Once you find one that works for you golden!
#2 Since I am using Jellybean I went into developers options(to enable go to about phone and tap build number 7 times) and I set the background process limit to 4. My reasoning is I dont' want to forfeit multi tasking all together but it's very apparent that this phone can only handle so much. You can also set it "don't keep activies" which wont allow any multi tasking like old school iOS.
#3 I use Android built in task manager to exit out of applications I am using quite frequently. If you hold the home button for an extended period of time the task manager will appear. (maybe different depending on which rom you use)
#3 don't overload this phone with apps, not only do we have limited storage for apps, but the more apps that run in the back ground the slower that it takes. What I did is many apps are basically short cuts to website for instance bank of america. What I did was in the stock browser I bookmarked the website, and then made a short cut to my desktop. I also changed icon to something similar to what the app icon would look like. Not all launchers support changing the icon. I did the same with facebook as it is often runing in the background. If you don't use Navigation uninstalling google maps might be a good idea. If you play games delete all processes before and after playing
#4 A lot of games take up a lot of resources so if you must play games especially one that uses a lot of power than maybe a good idea to delete processes before and after game usage. If the game(or any app for that matter) is constantly freezing than perhaps you should just delete it.
#5 don't use a launcher that takes up a lot of memory, the lighter the better. Stock launcher is probably a safe bet. I use Espire launher(iOS launcher), I know Atom would also be a good one. Stay away from any 3D launcher anything with eye candy imo is bad idea. In my experience Go Laucher, mihome, Launcher7/8 are memory hogs, I mean if they slowed down my old GS3 just imagine our phone. Although with Launher 7/8 If you were disable the live tiles it may run smoother. My opinion though is what's the point. The live tile's is the reason what attracted me to those launchers in the past. In the end just use what works for you
#6 If the phone starts acting up go ahead and reboot,
#7 If using a rom that supports theme's try not to use them, often times I have run into many so called bugs that magically disapeared when reverting back to system theme. Right now I am using xperia cm10.1 and so far no issue's what so ever
#8 I disabled Google Now, my experience has shown me that our phones aren't capable of handling it. Google now is constantly running in the back ground and I suspect causing the phone to slow down, freeze, or just randomly reboot.
#9 I do not use live wallpaper, nor do I use any widgets. I love widgets and depending on the widget may not use any extra resources. That being said for me on this phone I would rather be safe than sorry
#10 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158329
This has improved my phone greatly. Make sure your ROM meets the requirements and doesn't have any tweaks.
Using these methods I get decent performance, and battery life. This is no GS3 so I believe to get the most out of this phone you really have baby it to get the most out of it. I believe the issue is with how little Ram this phone has. I have had the HTC Mytouch 4g and I never had this issue. The MT4G also had almost a gig of Ram. I don't believe it's the processer as there are many 1GHZ single core processing phones that do not have the FC/Freezing issues we have.

Try CM7
I have been using Slimbean 4.1 and 4.2 too for the past few weeks and I have experienced frequent lag spikes when multitasking which sometimes drived me crazy. Recently, my phone was stuck in a bootloop while I was out of town so I had to flash CM7 and I was surprised at how buttery it felt. Overall, I really like the performance (although I do miss some features of JB) and I strongly advise you to try it out.

jin03002 said:
I have been using Slimbean 4.1 and 4.2 too for the past few weeks and I have experienced frequent lag spikes when multitasking which sometimes drived me crazy. Recently, my phone was stuck in a bootloop while I was out of town so I had to flash CM7 and I was surprised at how buttery it felt. Overall, I really like the performance (although I do miss some features of JB) and I strongly advise you to try it out.
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To each his/her own. I am not interested in gingerbread unless absolutely necessary. I think many of the problems are with Google now
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Try a shot of Nos then Tell me how u feel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158329
JELLYBAM DAMN™

It says twrp is not recommended any reason why? I am using slim bean 4.1 should work I'll have to read the thread to make sure it has no conflicting tweaks...excited to see if this helps
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md1008 said:
It says twrp is not recommended any reason why? I am using slim bean 4.1 should work I'll have to read the thread to make sure it has no conflicting tweaks...excited to see if this helps
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Smartguy used TWRP and says it works just fine. Just make a nandroid as always in case you have an issue, I don't think you will though. Just be sure to disable any task killers if you use them.

It works flawlessly in twrp
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hatememarkz said:
Try a shot of Nos then Tell me how u feel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158329
JELLYBAM DAMN™
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Works really well on slim bean 4.1. For list of possible ways to improve this phone. Had to disable start up tweaks
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Anytime i can help i miss thus phone
JELLYBAM™ 7.4.0

I've had it - going back to ICS

Well I'm fed up with this Jelly bean garbage! For you that say certain ones (Liquid smooth seems common) are 'fast', you're only kidding yourself.
JB on the bionic is terrible. It lags and is buggy (on after market's at least). I give props to the developers who have spent time making it usable for the most part.
I'm going back to ICS roms.

I had the same problem for a while. It wasn't until after I flashed Blurry JB after the third time did it work lag free. I had no idea what was going on but I just followed the advice of the developers and deleted the slot 1, wiped everything and reinstalled it.

delete

You seem to think all bionic users share your experience. Not true. My bionic running JB stock rom & kernel, rooted gives great performance and a better user experience than ICS. Mine is fast and stable with no lag. Your blanket criticisms miss the mark for most.

I thought you can't go back to ics once you have jb. No?
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Groid said:
You seem to think all bionic users share your experience. Not true. My bionic running JB stock rom & kernel, rooted gives great performance and a better user experience than ICS. Mine is fast and stable with no lag. Your blanket criticisms miss the mark for most.
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Have you even looked at the threads in the development section? It's pretty clear the lag issue is common and I am not alone. There are always a few exceptions to a blanket statement, thanks for pointing it out though.

No problems here.
If you're still running ICS as stock with JB in a safestrap slot, that's your problem

LucasMN said:
Have you even looked at the threads in the development section? It's pretty clear the lag issue is common and I am not alone. There are always a few exceptions to a blanket statement, thanks for pointing it out though.
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I certainly agree that some percentage of users experience lag or other problems and I don't doubt that you are one of them. Not sure what that percentage is though. I did an FDR after the JB update and clear cache once in a while. I sync manually and turned off Google Now, but use Voice Search extensively. Various settings, sync options, location services and some apps can cause problems that have little to do with the rom.

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No problems here.
If you're still running ICS as stock with JB in a safestrap slot, that's your problem
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I'll try and update it to JB then I suppose. Thanks for the tip.
I get 2-10 second lags when doing a lot of tasks.

I have been reluctant to go from my extremely functional ICS based bionic running Icarus HD Remix to JB. I have not seen any post that convinces me to make the jump.
I have JB on my tablet, my wife has it on her Samsung S3, and my phone as it is kicks butt.
Why should I upgrade from stable to JB??
Thanks anyone with constructive responses.

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No problems here.
If you're still running ICS as stock with JB in a safestrap slot, that's your problem
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I deleted all my partitions (slots), uninstalled safestrap, did a Full data reset/cache wipe. Downloaded and installed JB stock (OTA). Then installed safestrap and Liquid Smooth and it is still super laggy.
It'll be fine for a few swipes/screens then all of the sudden you go to open an app or go to the homescreen and it takes forever (5+ seconds). I've also had it reboot once randomly tonight as well as freeze with nothing on the screen but the 4 lights on the bottom lit up.
I dunno what else to do. Maybe it's time to start looking at new phone.

Well good news. One of the guys at work broke his phone last night and wants to upgrade to an S4. Since we have insurance on it, all I have to do is pay $100 and I get brand new S3...should be in tomorrow. :good:

I reformatted my phone twice, and i got heavy lag after a long while. Something was definitely up with JB. GB was fine, ICS got a bit worse, JB is just completely unusable with lag.
A emergency phone call will lag for 60 seconds (absolutely unacceptable), as well as sending messages. Keyboard pops up after 10 seconds, typing a simple sentence takes over a minute, and sending just barely responds. Although chrome is known to be pretty slow compared to browsers, it was also completely unusable for 90 seconds of lag from opening the app to retrieving search results.
I killed off a lot of apps, as well as clear out images/messages, and other cache/data things. But still, it crawled like a slug.
I gave up yesterday, and just installed CM10.1 . Already, I feel relieved that I don't feel restricted by anything. Bionic is in the RC stage for cm10.1. It does all of the necessary things flawlessly so far. I suggest everyone hwo's having slowdown issues with this stock bloatware to move over to CM or some custom rom. Keep FAR FAR away from it.
For now, i feel like I have a completely new phone since GB, and it is keeping up with the responsiveness of my Nexus 7.
But, if you are very inclined on staying on stock: I'm not sure what will help you speed it up again, other than completely wiping it again and reformatting.

Mine was still laggy even on aftermarket roms (JB).
I have it listed on craigslist now since I'm rocking an S3 since last Friday.
No lag on this bad boy.:victory:

I've been using FlyingJelly and it's great! My wife is stock JB and she has no complaints either.

Lag caused by the Overclocking?
In another thread, someone suggested that the lag many bionic users experienced could be fixed by clocking the CPU back down from 1.2 to 1 GHz. I tried this using the CPU Control under ROM Toolbox and I have found this worked for my phone, although I haven't found a way to make it permanent (it seems to change back to the 1.2 GHz setting, most of the time when trying to download something over a bad wifi or 4G connection). But it has helped with the frustration to know that when it lags, I will find the setting just needs to be changed back.

I am on ICS, running Icarus remixed or whatever it is called, and everything works.
My phone is tweaked and customized and runs great.
I have not seen any posts that answer my prior question: what is the benefit of switching to Jellybean when my phone works great right now?

idivorceyou said:
I am on ICS, running Icarus remixed or whatever it is called, and everything works.
My phone is tweaked and customized and runs great.
I have not seen any posts that answer my prior question: what is the benefit of switching to Jellybean when my phone works great right now?
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There isn't unless you want there to be one; as has been beaten to death on this forum, any updates are completely 100% personal preferences. If you're happy with what you have, then more power to ya!

thanks. I've always been on the edge with this phone, loading leaked upgrades, roms, etc. but now that it works nicely, I'm sticking with ICS & Icarus remixed. overclocked...

I wish I could go back to ICS. JB hasn't been able to keep my underclock at 600 and keeps resetting it back to 300.
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[Rom Review]AOSB

Plain and simple, I'd highly suggest this rom to anyone looking for a new rom. I've always love super roms (roms that mash together features of more than one rom). I've been running it for a couple days now and am loving every second of it. Many parts of this reminds me of PAC rom, but for some reason I'd pick this over PAC anyday, it just has more feeling for some reason.
The Good:
Full LED control. I was so very disappointed in stock android when I saw what the LED can REALLY do (you can pick almost any color under the sun for battery alerts or notifications that you can set up for per app basis)
AOSB in black (EXACTLY the same as PAC in black)
All CM11 features.
You select how many steps there are in the volume control
Good battery life(Can play a lot of games throughout school and it'll be at around 4% when I get home from school)
Slim Recent Apps
Split view(Even though I don't know what you'd use it for on a phone)
Full nav. bar/ring editing support.
The Bad
No Paranoid Android type control of the UI, which I was kind of hoping for, just a type of it through a preinstalled Xposed app
Outdated Xposed and Kernel tweaker, but since their modified they can't be updated from GPlay store. I ended up uninstalling them from system then reinstalled them from GPlay store, but was kind of irritating that they aren't newest versions.
Poor built in kernel. If you want kernel features at all, you'd have to find a good CAF kernel out there (I'm running Chaos Kernel v11.1)
Long hold back to kill app doesn't seem to work
No ability to have the menu button EVER show up unless you manually add it to nav bar, but then the buttons look weird since it makes all the buttons closer and it plain looks weird for it not to stick to the right or left side.
Doesn't get very dark(I also noticed this in stock, but was hoping that there was some change here, but no luck)
Google Camera's HDR+ makes the app crash (Google camera also doesn't automatically install over built in camera app)
All in all I love this rom, but it is a little rough around the edges. NOTE: I don't know if it's just me or what, but I had problems with supersu, but I'm not sure if it was the rom or me just accidentally messing up stuff

This convinced me to keep the stock version No bugs at all, and all the features that it containes are working.
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Donnie Sins said:
This convinced me to keep the stock version No bugs at all, and all the features that it containes are working.
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I come from HTC and decided to get my N5 specifically to avoid bootloader locks and get loads & loads of custom ROMs, after I actually bought it, I completely forgot about that, I haven't even rooted my device yet. Stock rom is perfect.

Well if you ever do want to keep stock, but want some features of a custom room, you can always get the gravity box module for xposed, or get multirom so you cab still have your custom rom; just a suggestion

Pluto said:
I come from HTC and decided to get my N5 specifically to avoid bootloader locks and get loads & loads of custom ROMs, after I actually bought it, I completely forgot about that, I haven't even rooted my device yet. Stock rom is perfect.
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Me too, after doing a whole lot of flashing etc. with my Galaxy S2.
CalebQ42 said:
Well if you ever do want to keep stock, but want some features of a custom room, you can always get the gravity box module for xposed, or get multirom so you cab still have your custom rom; just a suggestion
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That's what I'm planning to do. Just rooting for extra features, but keeping it stock. The benefits of custom roms are great, but I'm done with bugs and features not functioning as they should.
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Last night I decided to switch back to stock. Realized I should have kept it all along.
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CalebQ42 said:
Last night I decided to switch back to stock. Realized I should have kept it all along.
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May I ask why? Just curious
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You may want to try mahdi ROM... Been running it for weeks without an issue . + it has loads if working features
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Donnie Sins said:
May I ask why? Just curious
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Not 100%sure myself, the stock ROM just has a nice feel and it was like 2 in the morning.
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The rom sounds pretty good, I might give it a try in Multirom later.
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Should i sign up for android n?

i want the new look. and enjoy new features. i have never seen a boot loop. so i cant take risk of that. though everyday bugs are okay. as i have other devices. id be okay? as in from boot loops or soft or hard bricks? Thanks.

No, definitely not. I don't know what your Android experience is, but from your comments and the "junior member" tag (not a reliable indicator, I know), plus the fact that you've never had a bootloop (lucky!) I'm guessing that it's not much.
I've had Nexus devices for several years and I'm sort of comfortable with upgrading and fixing, so I tried the Android N preview. I lasted about a week. Far too many things were broken - many apps have not been upgraded, and probably won't be until we're far closer to the final release.
So unless you want to ruin your day-to-day experience with one non-working app after another, have patience and wait at least until the second preview, and even then wait to read in these forums about how many problems still remain.
As to new features and new look - minimal, and not worth the aggravation, in my opinion.
But there you go - others may have a different opinion - you'll have to decide for yourself, of course.

akholicc said:
i want the new look. and enjoy new features. i have never seen a boot loop. so i cant take risk of that. though everyday bugs are okay. as i have other devices. id be okay? as in from boot loops or soft or hard bricks? Thanks.
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I'd say a minimum for checking out the preview is:
-leave the bootloader unlocked
-Know how to flash a factory image on a per image basis (no flash-all.bat)
-Have 0 critical data on the thing, if you wipe it you lose nothing you care about. Keep in mind even camera photos, sms history, small things like that. (btw N preview is very very buggy trying to take pictures on any app I got force closes everytime I opened google camera, lcamera, or open camera)
When the marshmallow preview came out I put it on my N5, it was just a table weight at the point when the preview came out as I had my N6. Now with the N preview I went and charged ahead putting it on my daily use device, and it "worked" but a LOT of apps weren't working correctly, many games Bloons monkey city, hill climb racing, etc crashed randomly or didn't open at all, some other apps like Dish anywhere, yahoo messenger, google camera, UPS, etc didn't work either. MXplayer was running every video in super safe Software decoding mode.
The transitions and animations were pretty awful on stock kernel, only kernel I found to work well was 2.95GHz Elementalx (running on ondemand and yes I noticed slightly smoother performance because ondemand shoots to max frequency under any load) or Elite Kernel with Blu-active governor (highly recommend elite though smoothest kernel I've seen.) And under any kernel the device ran much hotter than Marshmallow, I could only get 2.5 hours of mid brightness SD youtube over wifi from 100 to 0 battery (I can easily exceed that with a stock N5...) and again device ran hot on stock kernel doing that.
SOoo if your N6 is your sideline phone go for it, it'll dirty flash over stock and I didn't see any improvement from clean flashing :/. But seriously this preview is more buggy than the first Lollipop preview was imo.
Long story short I'm back on Marshmallow PureNexus + Elite kernel. Much smoothness and back to my cool running 4 hour screen time every day phone that sleeps like a baby . (granted that could just be more of not running stock but I went from Marshmallow xposed gravitybox stock rom and N was buggier w/ more random reboots and freezups.

Make sure to read the sticky`s thread (in my signature) for usefull and lifesaving threads about flashing etc etc and getting some basic knowledge you will need before you tinker with your phone, after that unlock the bootloader and backup important files just to be sure and then enroll to the google beta thread.
-Edit- first backup off course and then unlock the bootloader. Btw for a first release its quite stable and fluent, the 2nd release should come within a week i guess.

dahawthorne said:
No, definitely not. I don't know what your Android experience is, but from your comments and the "junior member" tag (not a reliable indicator, I know), plus the fact that you've never had a bootloop (lucky!) I'm guessing that it's not much.
I've had Nexus devices for several years and I'm sort of comfortable with upgrading and fixing, so I tried the Android N preview. I lasted about a week. Far too many things were broken - many apps have not been upgraded, and probably won't be until we're far closer to the final release.
So unless you want to ruin your day-to-day experience with one non-working app after another, have patience and wait at least until the second preview, and even then wait to read in these forums about how many problems still remain.
As to new features and new look - minimal, and not worth the aggravation, in my opinion.
But there you go - others may have a different opinion - you'll have to decide for yourself, of course.
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thanks man. so i guess i should wait for more stable build.

StykerB said:
I'd say a minimum for checking out the preview is:
-leave the bootloader unlocked
-Know how to flash a factory image on a per image basis (no flash-all.bat)
-Have 0 critical data on the thing, if you wipe it you lose nothing you care about. Keep in mind even camera photos, sms history, small things like that. (btw N preview is very very buggy trying to take pictures on any app I got force closes everytime I opened google camera, lcamera, or open camera)
When the marshmallow preview came out I put it on my N5, it was just a table weight at the point when the preview came out as I had my N6. Now with the N preview I went and charged ahead putting it on my daily use device, and it "worked" but a LOT of apps weren't working correctly, many games Bloons monkey city, hill climb racing, etc crashed randomly or didn't open at all, some other apps like Dish anywhere, yahoo messenger, google camera, UPS, etc didn't work either. MXplayer was running every video in super safe Software decoding mode.
The transitions and animations were pretty awful on stock kernel, only kernel I found to work well was 2.95GHz Elementalx (running on ondemand and yes I noticed slightly smoother performance because ondemand shoots to max frequency under any load) or Elite Kernel with Blu-active governor (highly recommend elite though smoothest kernel I've seen.) And under any kernel the device ran much hotter than Marshmallow, I could only get 2.5 hours of mid brightness SD youtube over wifi from 100 to 0 battery (I can easily exceed that with a stock N5...) and again device ran hot on stock kernel doing that.
SOoo if your N6 is your sideline phone go for it, it'll dirty flash over stock and I didn't see any improvement from clean flashing :/. But seriously this preview is more buggy than the first Lollipop preview was imo.
Long story short I'm back on Marshmallow PureNexus + Elite kernel. Much smoothness and back to my cool running 4 hour screen time every day phone that sleeps like a baby . (granted that could just be more of not running stock but I went from Marshmallow xposed gravitybox stock rom and N was buggier w/ more random reboots and freezups.
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thanks for detailed reply sir. i decided to wait untill some stable build comes. as i dont know anything about flashing. im too afraid to even try. :crying: thanks though:good::good:

If you do decide to register for the N preview, you'll eventually get an OTA update which will apply the N over your existing M and you'll lose nothing.
BUT...
I think I've read a couple of threads where people have accepted the OTA and it hasn't worked, and they hadn't unlocked their bootloaders and therefore have no phone at all. As a bare minimum, if you're going to try the preview, you should unlock the bootloader so that you have at least a fighting chance of installing a new ROM if there's a problem.
Normally root prevents OTAs, but strangely it worked fine on my rooted N6. Maybe the systemless root fooled it...
BUT...
If you unlock the bootloader, you'll lose all your data - it wipes the phone, so back up photos, SMS, etc.
And if you're not confident about doing this, then I stick with my original answer - don't touch N at all until the final factory release around October.
(P.S. A plea to everyone in these forums. Don't reply to a simple 1-page thread post copying the entire post to which you're replying. I've already read the original - I don't need to read it again. Copy the original post only where necessary - e.g. if it's on a previous page. And even then copy only the point to which you're replying, not the entire post. The result will be clearer and shorter threads which will be more enjoyable to read.)

i'm going to wait for the factory release. Thanks again. and sure no problem ill keep that in mind.

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These are horrible answers by people who themselves don't know enough about the subject to give any advice, for example, the first gentleman referred to your XDA member status to partially determine your knowledge on the subject. Consider mine, i have a senior member account, and i have now started this one which i use when i want to have some quiet time. It is annoying that there are some who think that after they have learned to flash a ROM on their Nexus device (the easiest device to flash) that they are part of some exclusive club in which their first duty is to deter any would be members from ever wanting to join. These people should be praising you for your interest, not deterring you from it.
That being said, here is my opinion on your question, you have a Nexus device so you probably have some sort of interest in Android or AOSP in general, so start learning all that you can about it. You're main focus should be in researching your bootloader unlock, fastboot, ADB, and your custom recovery of choice... (My preference is TWRP). Once you have your custom recovery in place and have made a full backup with it, there is little you can do to ruin your device, just make sure to never touch the recovery partition again until you are a little more knowledgeable. Once you feel like you have done the research you need, than take a crack at it. We all had to take the leap at one point or another. It isn't rocket science, these people are not smarter than you are, and its no big deal if you aren't happy with the new version, worst case scenario is you wipe and re flash. You said you have other devices in case yours has a hiccup and takes a day or so to come back, so just have fun with it. Good luck and feel free to pm me if you need any info or help.

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These are horrible answers .
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I agree.. I never signed up for the beta program(unless flashing N automatically enrolled me).. At the minimum unlock the bootloader.. Learn what you can and give it a shot. My experience with N has been almost perfect. All the apps I use work, I've installed my magpie transparent theme, camera opens normally, not one unintended reboot. I like N a lot. I came from pureNexus rom. Losing a device or two might come with the learning experience(I lost one Evo & Evo Lte) but I have more knowledge because I learned along the way. Go for it!!

its very easy..
if you want a N ota(all the N previews), then sign up. if you could care less about otas, then dont sign up. all signing up will do is let you get a N ota.

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Depends. How badly do you NEED your phone? Do you use it for important business? Can you afford it to be 'down' for any length of time? What are your expectations..root?Adaway?TWRP? etc. Will your desired themes/layers/tweaks work on N? I cannot answer these questions for you, and no one else can. It's all a balancing act between risk and stability..some of us live on the edge, some should have no shame in waiting for stability.

And this may help people to decide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/help/unlock-bootloader-t3356276
If you don't know what you're doing, just don't do it. Simple.

Slight deviation from the topic but can i accept the N ota if I am stock rooted? Will it work and will I lose root?

Depends on the root. I was rooted with (as I remember, may be wrong) SuperSU v2.67 and to my astonishment the OTA worked. You will lose root, but it's simple to restore.
But read the warnings above - unless you're really experienced and can fix your phone the risk outweighs the small benefits, in my opinion, especially if you do it now when the second preview will be available shortly.
And whether you do or not, unlock your bootloader so that if you have problems you have at least a fighting chance of recovering your phone.
And note - UNLOCKING YOUR BOOTLOADER WIPES YOUR PHONE.

Thanks for the detailed response. My bootloader is unlocked already so at least that bit us done. I rooted just before the April update came out. Happy to lose root and try to get it back once the ota has been installed as there isn't much I use it for anyways.
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Heck yes. That is the joy of having a Nexus

I'm still running preview 1 and it's cool and all but, the lag gets pretty frustrating. I would at least wait until preview 2 if you're really feeling it.