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Hello everyone, as the title suggests if only Sammy released JB for my phone. I love the look and feel of it on the S3 but just dont like the phone, its too big and bulky IMHO. I am eagerly waiting for the S4.
Anyway, the reason for the post, i have been using CM10 on my I9000 for the last couple of weeks, i actually love it ands it actually pretty stable but and its a BIG BUT the battery drain finally killed the last remnants of patience i had with it. 12-15hrs on one battery charge is just not satisfactory.....so ive gone back to stock GB 2.3.6 and already the battery life has dramatically increased. Is this a firmware issue or poor hardware I wonder.
In anycase i would like JB back on this phone but I would like at least the same battery performance as GB, so my question really is about which JB ROM i could use?
Anyone got any ideas, recommendations or rom-avoidance advice? Anything would be helpful and much appreciated.
Thankyou!
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Use a different modem, and try a tweakable kernel like Semaphore. Also install betterbatterystats. That will tell you what's keeping your phone awake. I get two days out of my worn out two year old battery on the latest CM10 with low to medium use. Back on ICS, before I changed the modem, a RILJ wakelock would keep it awake pretty much all the time and I had about 12-15 hours of battery life. I'd rather Samsung stay as far away from software development as possible because nothing they have ever done in that department has been even remotely usable.
I also wish Samsung would release official JB for the I9000, but I'm afraid it's never gonna happen. They have left the I9000 behind it seems, and I think Gingerbread 2.3.6 was the last ever official update. It's custom ROM's from now on for the Galaxy S.
I wish i could fly.
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FjarrKontroll said:
Use a different modem, and try a tweakable kernel like Semaphore. Also install betterbatterystats. That will tell you what's keeping your phone awake. I get two days out of my worn out two year old battery on the latest CM10 with low to medium use. Back on ICS, before I changed the modem, a RILJ wakelock would keep it awake pretty much all the time and I had about 12-15 hours of battery life. I'd rather Samsung stay as far away from software development as possible because nothing they have ever done in that department has been even remotely usable.
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try a different modem??? try a different kernel??? i apologise i dont really know what you mean....
1. are you suggesting you can change the modem - how on earth do you do that??
2. ive heard the word Kernel being used but actually dont know what one is or what it does. complete novice to all this im afraid - i know about ROMs (for JB) like Cyanogen CM10, Slimbean and HellyBean etc etc, and have actually heard of this Semaphore but not actually knowing what it is!
Can you explain what this all means at all ?
btw - i get your point about Samsung especially on thier own non-andriod phones. to be fair the stock roms work flawlessly on my i9000 and the UI progression from Eclair to GB is staggering...even if it is cloaked as Andriod development....still looks and feels better than any Iphone. Thats what i meant by i wish Samsung would of developed ICS and JB for the I9000.
What helps in terms of battery life CM roms is:
-using 2d as much as possible and 3d only when needed (browsing, downloading apps etc). Problem is that 2g mode will not allow you to use data and make phone calls at the same time
-disable location services or at least gps when not used
-freeze/remove apps you are not using (stock email, talk, gmaps are battery drainers)
-disable CM built in app&data backup and use TB instead
-use lowest acceptable screen brightness
-buy a brand new battery
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salomann said:
What helps in terms of battery life CM roms is:
-using 2d as much as possible and 3d only when needed (browsing, downloading apps etc). Problem is that 2g mode will not allow you to use data and make phone calls at the same time
-disable location services or at least gps when not used
-freeze/remove apps you are not using (stock email, talk, gmaps are battery drainers)
-disable CM built in app&data backup and use TB instead
-use lowest acceptable screen brightness
-buy a brand new battery
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Hmmmm well all that seems like a gr8 idea but then what would be the point of flashing CM or any JB custom rom if i werent going to be able to use the features within it, like you would an S3 ??!!!! Kinda seems pointless to me... At the end of the day JB is the latest and greatest version, youd want to use and explore its capabilites as much as you can, without comprimising hardware performance..
Surely there must be a non battery draining and stable version of JB out there.......:crying:
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Totally agree with you. These are just workarounds that make you able to survive a day without recharging but at the same time limit user's satisfaction from owning a multifunctional device (eg no location and gps = no Google now). I'm switching to SGS2 that will get official jb shortly so will see if it gets better battery life but I do not expect miracles. The only hope in Google and Motorola cooperation. Motorola's battery + updates from Google must make a great combo
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Just buy a new battery,bigger
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geoffjac10 said:
try a different modem??? try a different kernel??? i apologise i dont really know what you mean....
1. are you suggesting you can change the modem - how on earth do you do that??
2. ive heard the word Kernel being used but actually dont know what one is or what it does. complete novice to all this im afraid - i know about ROMs (for JB) like Cyanogen CM10, Slimbean and HellyBean etc etc, and have actually heard of this Semaphore but not actually knowing what it is!
Can you explain what this all means at all ?
btw - i get your point about Samsung especially on thier own non-andriod phones. to be fair the stock roms work flawlessly on my i9000 and the UI progression from Eclair to GB is staggering...even if it is cloaked as Andriod development....still looks and feels better than any Iphone. Thats what i meant by i wish Samsung would of developed ICS and JB for the I9000.
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Before anything else, please install CM10.1 (http://get.cm/?device=galaxysmtd), CPU Spy (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bvalosek.cpuspy) and BetterBatteryStats. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809)
Now in BetterBatteryStats, look at the "partial wakelocks" near the end of a day's charge and drain cycle. This will tell you what was keeping your phone awake. My money is on RILJ being at the top of the list and active for several hours. If that is the case, you need to change your modem. Check CPU Spy as well to see how much time your phone spends sleeping when it's supposed to.
Modems
The "modem" is basically like a driver file for the phone's radios and such. (Cell radio, WiFi, GPS, etc) It tells the phone how to use those things. So some modems are less efficient or not tuned as well for your specific carrier.
http://soggycashew.weebly.com/i9000-modems.html - Here is a collection of modems packaged in Clockwork Mod zip files. If you were able to install CM10, I'm sure you know how to install them.
Go to the "i9000_release_dates.txt" file and try the most recent one. If you have an i9000M which supports the 850MHz band, only use the 850MHz-capable modems. Likewise, if you have a regular i9000, don't use those. Testing may take at least day or so each. If you're still seeing a RILJ wakelock time more than about 20 minutes a day, try the next latest one.
Kernels
The "Kernel" is sort of like the BIOS in a PC. It starts up first then Android runs on top of it. Android communicates with the kernel, and then the kernel communicates with your phone's hardware. It runs the screen, sound chip, vibrator, radios, everything. Some kernels are basic and only include what they need to run the phone normally (like the stock Cyanogenmod kernel) and some are made to let you change all sorts of settings of how they operate.
I highly recommend Semaphore JB for CM10.1
You'll find that here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786220
And the app to change settings here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.semaphore.sm
For improved power savings, use the app to turn on Deep Idle, make sure WiFi PM FAST is disabled, and you may as well turn on fast charge. (no power saving, but a shorter charge time is nice)
Android
Now this stuff is pretty simple, but it can be overlooked. Make sure to turn off apps that auto-update or at least lower their update frequency as much as possible. These are brutal for battery life. With your Google account, only enable sync for things you NEED to have updated automatically. Like Gmail and Chrome. Things like Contacts and Calendar you can update manually whenever you want but you probably don't need it constantly ready to sync. You can also do things like lower the screen brightness and turn off the fancy stuff, but I don't bother. 100% screen brightness all the time for me. I'd rather have a good experience than another couple minutes of battery.
I really hope this all helps and you can get on the latest ROM without the crippling battery drain these phones sometimes get. And you have the right idea about keeping all the effects and things on. Everything's active when the screen is on anyway, so battery savings will be negligible. Good luck!
All operating systems have a kernel, Windows, OS-X, Linux, whatever, it's just that in a closed system like Windows no-one knows its specifics or can do anything to it, whereas Linux's can be.
(Take a look at your screen when turning on your phone, the kernel image is not the first you see)
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They should do that as soon as possible as the JB thing means a great progress in Android development. The new OS is really faster, covers alot of minuses from the previous versions and Samsung, being so good in the last few years they should stay in touch with new, good ROMs if they dont want to begin to have Google as their second conquerent.
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I wished that samsung have followed apple's example and released the last version of OS for every phones which work with that.
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I wished that samsung have followed apple's example and released the last version of OS for every phones which work with that.
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Apple just stops updating devices for no better reason than they want to force upgrades, it's not like the old devices wouldn't work. Like what Samsung did here, except at least porting Android over would take a little bit of work/time. Still no better though. Apple also holds "features" back from older devices purely to market something new on their otherwise indistinguishable upgrade. (like Siri)
Nobody, including Apple, should follow Apple's example. I think Samsung should stop bothering with bastardizing Android and just hand the drivers over to the devs here, because they actually make software people actually want to use, and enjoy using.
...its very sad that i9000 won't get ( >= ICS), sgs1 is still very good phone...
Wish, you were here...
successfully using cm10 stable without any customized kernels , no battery drains, just do a factory reset from firmware settings, and you will be happy
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I bought a Nexus 7 about a couple weeks ago, and was instantly disappointed by the washed out colors and lack of saturation. Also, I was having charging, lag, and Bluetooth issues. I tried the a custom ROM, kernel, hacks, and still wasn't happy with the performance or colors of the device. I had read all the threads, and pretty much decided to sell it. Before I did though, I decided to downgrade to the factory 4.1.2 OS, since many of the performance issues were caused by 4.2. Long story short: I will be keeping the N7 now. I haven't tested Bluetooth so far, but I haven't seen any of the performance issues so far. No lagging or glitchy behavior with any apps; especially when multitasking. I have all my apps, music, and videos loaded back on it, and all is good.
Interestingly enough, the colors actually look better as well. I noticed it pretty quickly, but since everything I read said it was an issue with the calibration, I didn't think it would be resolved by the downgrade. It was pretty much confirmed when I opened Facebook for the first time on 4.1.2. On 4.2, even the simple blue splash screen looked like it had a low bit rate. The best example would be the way a picture is degraded when saving in MS Paint, or when you set the display colors to 16-bit and get the circular wave pattern on the background. On 4.2, it was the normal smooth blue. Also, the colors don't look overexposed when the brightness is increased like before. Even when compared side-by-side with my RAZR M, the display looks more natural than it did on 4.2.
Its charging right now, and that is much faster as well. Yesterday, it was charging like 10-15% every hour, and now its charged about 10% in 20 minutes or so. I will update the thread as I continue to use it, but just wanted to put my experience out there. Also, it is rooted, but no custom ROM or kernel and I couldn't be happier.
What is the best method for downgrading?
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Search fof this on Google; its on the other forum: [GUIDE] Nexus 7 - Factory Image Restore by 2defmouze
If you are rooted you can install the Trickster Mod app from the Play store and turn Smart dimmer off. That should fix washed out colors.
ganovim said:
What is the best method for downgrading?
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Take your time, save & backup apps & data on your N7 first, move them to an external source or cloud (hint, hint - Goggle Drive & Dropbox) and always good idea to start with a fully charged (or, at least 80% plus) device.
Use one of the Nexus tool kits to help guide the steps in downloading & flashing the 4.1.2 factory image, then root it (bootloader should remian unlocked) and flash 1 of 2 custom recovery image - reboot & set up the device again, give it time to "settle" & restore - and you should be good to go in getting your Apps & previously saved data back on the device.
While you are at it - you might want to select an alternate browser that support Flash Player 11.x, and, add Beats Audio/DSP to boost the speakers volume, and get 720p video back on your camera - and use custom recovery to make a full backup and set it aside safely. Disable and ignore the "prompt" for software upgrade and enjoy.
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If you are rooted you can install the Trickster Mod app from the Play store and turn Smart dimmer off. That should fix washed out colors.
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The Trickster Mod didn't work for me. Plus, its more to fix the washed out affect caused by playing videos. With that said, I play all videos through MX Player. It allows you to adjust the brightness of videos and overrides the auto-brightness feature that causes the wash out.
Also, as mentioned before, make sure you properly back up your apps and data. I saved all my info to my computer before downgrading. It will wipe everything and give you a clean slate.
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Going to have to downgrade too this week.
The Bluetooth problems are killing me. I am off on holiday soon, and want to stream music to my Bluetooth speakers, but 4.2 is totally broken in this regard.
Waited as long as I can for Google to release a 4.2.2, but it's not happened. It's such a crime that the media went ballistic over the December non-bug and gave that all the media attention, but the real problems get no press at all, and Google are allowed to drag their heels on a fix.
I'm stock and still haven't upgraded to 4.2.1. The stories are still bad so I have to stick with the stupid upgrade notification coming on every 5 mind. Small price I have to pay though
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I've update to 4.2.1 today, on 4.1.2 i have prob on bootloader->recovery, it's freeze.
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I'm stock and still haven't upgraded to 4.2.1. The stories are still bad so I have to stick with the stupid upgrade notification coming on every 5 mind. Small price I have to pay though
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Nah, you don't have to deal with that nonsense every few hours or daily, just disable it or turn it off - it's been discussed & # of ways to do it - my stock Rom being rooted, I used the free Autorun Manager from the Store, edit the framework & bam, done in 30 seconds. No more reminder - 4.1.2 is great for me and it does all that I needed with a bit of customization - I don't need overclocking for fancy kernel, etc.
Here's the link - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998378
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Nah, you don't have to deal with that nonsense every few hours or daily, just disable it or turn it off - it's been discussed & # of ways to do it - my stock Rom being rooted, I used the free Autorun Manager from the Store, edit the framework & bam, done in 30 seconds. No more reminder - 4.1.2 is great for me and it does all that I needed with a bit of customization - I don't need overclocking for fancy kernel, etc.
Here's the link - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998378
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Same here. I used Autorun to kill the Update process under the framework.
4.2.1 is great if you get rid of all the bloatware. I'm running sgt7 with lean kernel and its faster than 4.1 was for me
I was a bit underwhelmed with 4.2 as well for a bit. Finally CyanogenMod released 10.1 (Android 4.2) nightlies, and that combined with a custom kernel and TricksterMod has my N7 running quicker than 4.1 ever did.
Only side effect is symlinking doesn't work. But I'd rather use my 16GB flash drive to play my old PS1 games instead of what's available from the Play Store anyways. Much more fun, but may be due to nostalgia.
Y downgrade ?
U got a Flagship nexus Tablet so you can get the fastest access to the updates and then you dont want the update or want to go back.
Why ?
I have no issues on 4.2.1 (just flash a good kernel and ur good to go).
P.S: Never look back unless ur at the end of the road
4.2.1 works great for me. Bluetooth to an external audio device works, colors are 'normal' (don't look any different than any other release of the OS) and battery life is great. Guess I'm lucky.
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Got my N7 last summer and installed 4.2 the day after it came out. Downgraded a week later. The deal killer for me was was the inability to run scripts to bind directories on my usb stick and then see them from my installed apps. Never tried Blue tooth as I only got a BT keyboard after I downgraded. But then there was also the volume nag screen when the head phone jack is active.
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Me too waiting for directory bind to work on 4.2.1 since the upgrade, figured that by this time someone might come out with workable solution. Guess I'm wrong. I've no use of multiple user, I'm seriously considering to downgrade now. Another issue is the random reboot, it ruin everything from gaming to watching movies.
Which stock rom you guys downgrade to? I'm on 4.2.1 JOP40D. Can I just backup everything in titanium backup, restore and expect everything to works. Any special step to follow?
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xateeq said:
Y downgrade ?
U got a Flagship nexus Tablet so you can get the fastest access to the updates and then you dont want the update or want to go back.
Why ?
I have no issues on 4.2.1 (just flash a good kernel and ur good to go).
P.S: Never look back unless ur at the end of the road
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That is such a narrow minded oversimplification. 4.2.1 is proving extremely buggy for Nexus 7 at the moment. The amount of issues and lag are tremendous. If an update means lag and bug in no way it is wise to update.
You don't have any issues, congrats. I for one has a close to useless device on 4.2.1.
Now, will you try to make posts that make more sense than "you have updates, update" please.
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That is such a narrow minded oversimplification. 4.2.1 is proving extremely buggy for Nexus 7 at the moment. The amount of issues and lag are tremendous. If an update means lag and bug in no way it is wise to update.
You don't have any issues, congrats. I for one has a close to useless device on 4.2.1.
Now, will you try to make posts that make more sense than "you have updates, update" please.
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There's a post like that in every thread. "Thousands of people suffer from documented bug/problems even acknowledged by Google but since I don't have any of the problems everyone including Google must be wrong".
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I've been on stock 4.2.1 since the update first came but I haven't liked it since it lags more than previous versions and also the tablet freezes and reboots from time to time (at least once a week). Lately I have been thinking about downgrade to 4.1.2 with the nexus 7 toolkit but then I read about the upcoming 4.2.2. Hopefully it will arrive soon(!) and fix all that were broken with 4.2. Otherwise I also will downgrade to 4.1.2. One of the reasons I bought a nexus device was to avoid rooting and flashing and still be using the latest that android had to offer. But as 4.2 turned out maybe I have to reconsider my decision
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Well I'm fed up with this Jelly bean garbage! For you that say certain ones (Liquid smooth seems common) are 'fast', you're only kidding yourself.
JB on the bionic is terrible. It lags and is buggy (on after market's at least). I give props to the developers who have spent time making it usable for the most part.
I'm going back to ICS roms.
I had the same problem for a while. It wasn't until after I flashed Blurry JB after the third time did it work lag free. I had no idea what was going on but I just followed the advice of the developers and deleted the slot 1, wiped everything and reinstalled it.
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You seem to think all bionic users share your experience. Not true. My bionic running JB stock rom & kernel, rooted gives great performance and a better user experience than ICS. Mine is fast and stable with no lag. Your blanket criticisms miss the mark for most.
I thought you can't go back to ics once you have jb. No?
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Groid said:
You seem to think all bionic users share your experience. Not true. My bionic running JB stock rom & kernel, rooted gives great performance and a better user experience than ICS. Mine is fast and stable with no lag. Your blanket criticisms miss the mark for most.
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Have you even looked at the threads in the development section? It's pretty clear the lag issue is common and I am not alone. There are always a few exceptions to a blanket statement, thanks for pointing it out though.
No problems here.
If you're still running ICS as stock with JB in a safestrap slot, that's your problem
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Have you even looked at the threads in the development section? It's pretty clear the lag issue is common and I am not alone. There are always a few exceptions to a blanket statement, thanks for pointing it out though.
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I certainly agree that some percentage of users experience lag or other problems and I don't doubt that you are one of them. Not sure what that percentage is though. I did an FDR after the JB update and clear cache once in a while. I sync manually and turned off Google Now, but use Voice Search extensively. Various settings, sync options, location services and some apps can cause problems that have little to do with the rom.
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No problems here.
If you're still running ICS as stock with JB in a safestrap slot, that's your problem
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I'll try and update it to JB then I suppose. Thanks for the tip.
I get 2-10 second lags when doing a lot of tasks.
I have been reluctant to go from my extremely functional ICS based bionic running Icarus HD Remix to JB. I have not seen any post that convinces me to make the jump.
I have JB on my tablet, my wife has it on her Samsung S3, and my phone as it is kicks butt.
Why should I upgrade from stable to JB??
Thanks anyone with constructive responses.
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No problems here.
If you're still running ICS as stock with JB in a safestrap slot, that's your problem
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I deleted all my partitions (slots), uninstalled safestrap, did a Full data reset/cache wipe. Downloaded and installed JB stock (OTA). Then installed safestrap and Liquid Smooth and it is still super laggy.
It'll be fine for a few swipes/screens then all of the sudden you go to open an app or go to the homescreen and it takes forever (5+ seconds). I've also had it reboot once randomly tonight as well as freeze with nothing on the screen but the 4 lights on the bottom lit up.
I dunno what else to do. Maybe it's time to start looking at new phone.
Well good news. One of the guys at work broke his phone last night and wants to upgrade to an S4. Since we have insurance on it, all I have to do is pay $100 and I get brand new S3...should be in tomorrow. :good:
I reformatted my phone twice, and i got heavy lag after a long while. Something was definitely up with JB. GB was fine, ICS got a bit worse, JB is just completely unusable with lag.
A emergency phone call will lag for 60 seconds (absolutely unacceptable), as well as sending messages. Keyboard pops up after 10 seconds, typing a simple sentence takes over a minute, and sending just barely responds. Although chrome is known to be pretty slow compared to browsers, it was also completely unusable for 90 seconds of lag from opening the app to retrieving search results.
I killed off a lot of apps, as well as clear out images/messages, and other cache/data things. But still, it crawled like a slug.
I gave up yesterday, and just installed CM10.1 . Already, I feel relieved that I don't feel restricted by anything. Bionic is in the RC stage for cm10.1. It does all of the necessary things flawlessly so far. I suggest everyone hwo's having slowdown issues with this stock bloatware to move over to CM or some custom rom. Keep FAR FAR away from it.
For now, i feel like I have a completely new phone since GB, and it is keeping up with the responsiveness of my Nexus 7.
But, if you are very inclined on staying on stock: I'm not sure what will help you speed it up again, other than completely wiping it again and reformatting.
Mine was still laggy even on aftermarket roms (JB).
I have it listed on craigslist now since I'm rocking an S3 since last Friday.
No lag on this bad boy.:victory:
I've been using FlyingJelly and it's great! My wife is stock JB and she has no complaints either.
Lag caused by the Overclocking?
In another thread, someone suggested that the lag many bionic users experienced could be fixed by clocking the CPU back down from 1.2 to 1 GHz. I tried this using the CPU Control under ROM Toolbox and I have found this worked for my phone, although I haven't found a way to make it permanent (it seems to change back to the 1.2 GHz setting, most of the time when trying to download something over a bad wifi or 4G connection). But it has helped with the frustration to know that when it lags, I will find the setting just needs to be changed back.
I am on ICS, running Icarus remixed or whatever it is called, and everything works.
My phone is tweaked and customized and runs great.
I have not seen any posts that answer my prior question: what is the benefit of switching to Jellybean when my phone works great right now?
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I am on ICS, running Icarus remixed or whatever it is called, and everything works.
My phone is tweaked and customized and runs great.
I have not seen any posts that answer my prior question: what is the benefit of switching to Jellybean when my phone works great right now?
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There isn't unless you want there to be one; as has been beaten to death on this forum, any updates are completely 100% personal preferences. If you're happy with what you have, then more power to ya!
thanks. I've always been on the edge with this phone, loading leaked upgrades, roms, etc. but now that it works nicely, I'm sticking with ICS & Icarus remixed. overclocked...
I wish I could go back to ICS. JB hasn't been able to keep my underclock at 600 and keeps resetting it back to 300.
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Hello guyz,
my I9000 got really slow few weeks ago, and I still didn't find any solution (and I can't buy a new phone). But I think that there must be the way to speed our old SGS up.
You know, many people make tweaks just like scripts which change few values to improve the performance. But that's not everything you can do.
Because:
When you look at Apple iOS (calm down, I love Android, I'd never buy an iPhone), you can see it's really blazing fast even if the phone has bad hardware specs. Why? I've seen my friend's iPhone and I can see something like LOTS of open apps at the same time and the phone is still freaking fast. You can even have few games open at the same time, and when you open them, they are ready to use IMMEDIATELY. And you don't need high-end hardware. How the hell do the iPhones do this?
I think it's something like the app is kept totally frozen, and it's data are saved on a different place than RAM. I think the only app that uses RAM is the visible one (the one on top, if you know what I'm talking about).
Is there any way to do this for our SGS? Like keeping other apps FROZEN?
I think it could work like this: When you put the app to the background, it freezes its data and puts them on a new system partition instead of keeping them in RAM? Maybe?
Maybe I'm wrong, you can read this, think about it and try to do something: http://www.macworld.com/article/1164616/how_ios_multitasking_really_works.html
The only thing I'm talking about is: Why is Android so slow compared to other systems (especially iOS)? Is there any way to make it as fast as iOS?
Maybe the problem is Java, maybe somebody could just simply port different OS, like firefox OS or Windows Phone? Could this help? I think so.
I just think that we still miss something. Something can be done.
Thank for your time and patience with my stupid ideas and my retarded english . I can't do these things on my own because I'm not a developer, you know
Not slow depending on what you use it for.. games, Music, multi tasking with apps
Theres also different kernels to make it faster along with tweaks or scripts.. you need to be more specific
Along with iPhone Themes to make your android like IPhone or go the other way and buy a rubbish iPhone
Try using a different kernel.. task managers to kill apps.. power saving battery apps to put phone to sleep mode etc..
What ROM have you got?
You probably don't understand what I'm talking about, did you read my whole topic?
I don't care about the look of my phone, I care about it's smoothness and speed.
And I think Android is VERY slow system (compared to iOS, for example).
So I'm thinking about iOS multitasking and wonder if somebody could do the same for Android.
Because when you imagine phone with horrible hardware and iOS, it's still blazing fast, got it?
I just think that we could do something more to improve the speed of our SGS, than just using "different kernels or scripts", you know
ios runs only on iphones so that means the os is perfecty optimized for those hardware specs and that's it. Android runs on everything else so that means it wont be perfectly optimised. It all depends on what roms you use if you ask me the developer of the rom is the one who makes the tweeks for the rom to run perfectly. Look at the htc wildfire pretty decent specs but its always kind of crappy and choppy.
For apps i think the app greenify does what you want if i got you right try it it freezes apps so that they dont run in the background.
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Okay, thanks for your answer.
Greenify is not exactly what I've meant, but I'm okay with your answer, because it seems like nothing better can be done.
Actually, I'm looking forward to Android 5, because I've heard something like it's gonna be optimised for phones with 512mb RAM. Maybe it's gonna help a bit
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Okay, thanks for your answer.
Greenify is not exactly what I've meant, but I'm okay with your answer, because it seems like nothing better can be done.
Actually, I'm looking forward to Android 5, because I've heard something like it's gonna be optimised for phones with 512mb RAM. Maybe it's gonna help a bit
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Yea i hope so too but im just sad that when you have a 800ghz phone and 512 mb of ram lets say and you cant run these low graphics games or run apps fast thats alot of power for nothing really.
Now they build quad and more core phones all that power for what sending pictures with a two second sound clips? XD
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huhuhu, another ios n android comparement. already solve it
go here n read carefully how to do it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2273317
n here also
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2272317
n instead of asking how to port ios sssssssmmmoootthhhhhneeeessssss to android, better start searching n reading, feel da tweak, not argue.
n if u really wanna ios smoothness, buy one. if not, read da link i gave n feel da smoothness
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The reason why the iOS mechanism works is because apps do not actually multitask, but they are suspended so you can pick up where you left off. However, this is a trick that actually works because who actually multitask on a 4-5 inch phone? Androids multitasking mechanism and philosophy is absolutely atrocious when compared to iOS, because of the so called 'filling up the ram' thing that it does. Basically ram is filled for 'faster opening of apps' instead of saving opened apps in memory. Unless there is some radical change in android 5.0, expect no real change to happen.
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I've been flashing roms for almost 4 years now on almost a dozen phones. My go-to rom has always been CM, and for a while I was flashing all the nightlies for this phone and setting everything up from scratch every few days.
But a few weeks ago, something dawned on me: after untold hundreds of rom flashes, I think I'm actually tired of doing this. With all the unresolved data issues on AOSP roms and various other minor problems, I suddenly couldn't bring myself to modify my phone in a way that would actually remove functionality. I've now been on stock rooted MF9 for going on a month, and other than the inevitable 4.3 update, I don't think I'll be flashing any more roms on this or any other phone.
I've been a die-hard rom flasher for almost as long as I've been using Android devices and I certainly didn't see this coming. Has anyone else experienced this?
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Yeah ive been wondering if the data (signal) issues will ever be resolved.
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Yep same here ive flashed thousands of times. About a year ago on my s2 I had aosp . Well we got lost the kids were screaming gps didnt work and data speeds were awful. I flashed back to stock or stock based and everything was great. At that point I realized stick with stock. I will say that the touch wiz based roms here are wonderful. I feel you on fatigue. I've been on sacs rom for a long time and don't plan on changing it.
I'm with you. I got sick o of flashing roms all the time too. Been running stock for a about a month now.
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I feel the same only have flashed a couple Roms and am also just sick of always setting up new Roms. Just find one and stick with it I am on sacs. Was on Slim Bean but sacs is amazing and its TW based so don't have to worry about all the bugs that Aosp brings. But I gotta say Slim Bean was solid. Stable build 1 everything was working data ,GPS ,mms I had no problems. I remember just flashing every single ROM that was available back in my OG Evovdays.
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LoL. Feel almost the same here....
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Well I've been on stock Deodexed for getting close to a month, before that I flashed all the roms, my wife said I had a problem lol, but for the time being I'm quite happy with my phone being fully functional and having 4g every where I go. I'm still always looking at xda for the next big thing, but as of now I'm staying slightly modded with the convenience of a working PHONE :beer:
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Well I've been on stock Deodexed for getting close to a month, before that I flashed all the roms, my wife said I had a problem lol, but for the time being I'm quite happy with my phone being fully functional and having 4g every where I go. I'm still always looking at xda for the next big thing, but as of now I'm staying slightly modded with the convenience of a working PHONE :beer:
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That's kind of how I am. I still compulsively check XDA every day even though I never flash anything anymore. It's just really nice to have a phone where everything works. MMS is a good example of something that I don't necessarily use all the time but it's nice for it to be functional when I need it. I suppose I'll probably give KitKat a spin when the roms start rolling out though
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Same here, I know there are some awesome developers. But I really need stability. I look for the slimest close to stock ROM I can find.
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This is so funny. I must have tried 50 ROMs on my various phones in the past few years. So many have claimed “visious battery ilfe! Screaming speeds!!!! This will make you cry with tears of joy!”
And then they run about as fast as stock, often with worse battery life, and with broken functionality.
There were some exceptions, like MeanBean on the Evo LTE, and a few others which ran pretty much flawlessly, but switching back to stock always makes me think, “wow, this is not any worse than that custom ROM I just had – a little uglier, but stock runs better…”
(Of course I always appreciate the hard work, and it is fun experimenting.)
Stock runs great on the gs4. Over the last 4 days I've averaged 15.5 hours on time with 3.5 hours screen time. About 70% on WiFi and 30% 3G
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This is so funny. I must have tried 50 ROMs on my various phones in the past few years. So many have claimed “visious battery ilfe! Screaming speeds!!!! This will make you cry with tears of joy!”
And then they run about as fast as stock, often with worse battery life, and with broken functionality.
There were some exceptions, like MeanBean on the Evo LTE, and a few others which ran pretty much flawlessly, but switching back to stock always makes me think, “wow, this is not any worse than that custom ROM I just had – a little uglier, but stock runs better…”
(Of course I always appreciate the hard work, and it is fun experimenting.)
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I've also never experienced the outlandish speed and battery claims of so many of these roms, including Mean Bean which I never found to work as flawlessly as advertised. Honestly, I think a lot of it is just placebo effect.
I mean no disrespect to the hard-working devs, of course - I guess my personal preferences are just changing. I'm not interested in spending tons of time messing with voltages and clock speeds and themes and kernels and APNs, etc. anymore.
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Well a mean if you look at it from a different perspective "back in the day" yeah, what these devs claimed to be true, greater battery life, faster speeds, etc you did get and there was real improvement. Still we gotta understand back then stock android and phone makers weren't up to par and the phones weren't as powerful. Android was lacking in a lot of stuff and that's were modding grew.
But I don't need to give a history lesson, anyone who's been here for a while know why and how this all came about.
My point is though that android has caught up to the need for modding. Generally speaking (barring a persons provider) you get everything and in some cases more than you need without the need to mod.
Also some of the mods are also now available without being rooted, although not at a fast pace, but still on the rise.
I personally wouldn't coin it exactly as being "tied of flashing" but more so as some of you have mentioned the need is no longer there.
You can debloat your phone without root (I forgot the app/method), you get great battery life worth stock and of you even want to go further you have apps like greenify and my personal fav juice defender that can be used without root and so many other things.
There's other factors too that does make a difference like update cycle and harder issues and more phones etc that also leads people to the point of just sticking to stock but there are the petiole here that just like to tinker no matter what skill level you're at.
One last thing I would put out there is that us who are users of these mods wouldn't it be different if you were the ones creating them?
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Same here, im running stock odexed rooted.. Just deleted sone bloatware I never use. Used foldermount to save some space so I can install big games I like..Ive been happy stock odexed. I FIND NOVA LAUNCHER THE BEST.. SO SMOOTH AND U CAN ADJUST THE ANIMATION SPEED AND TRANSITION...
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Well a mean if you look at it from a different perspective "back in the day" yeah, what these devs claimed to be true, greater battery life, faster speeds, etc you did get and there was real improvement. Still we gotta understand back then stock android and phone makers weren't up to par and the phones weren't as powerful. Android was lacking in a lot of stuff and that's were modding grew.
But I don't need to give a history lesson, anyone who's been here for a while know why and how this all came about.
My point is though that android has caught up to the need for modding. Generally speaking (barring a persons provider) you get everything and in some cases more than you need without the need to mod.
Also some of the mods are also now available without being rooted, although not at a fast pace, but still on the rise.
I personally wouldn't coin it exactly as being "tied of flashing" but more so as some of you have mentioned the need is no longer there.
You can debloat your phone without root (I forgot the app/method), you get great battery life worth stock and of you even want to go further you have apps like greenify and my personal fav juice defender that can be used without root and so many other things.
There's other factors too that does make a difference like update cycle and harder issues and more phones etc that also leads people to the point of just sticking to stock but there are the petiole here that just like to tinker no matter what skill level you're at.
One last thing I would put out there is that us who are users of these mods wouldn't it be different if you were the ones creating them?
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And you can theme the icons...
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Stock rooted and slighty OCed is my way....i juat got this phone about a week ago. Im coming from the s3...but anyways, i was scrolling looking qt alk the roms, is there one thats pure stock but rooted and 100% debloated??? I used to use a root uninstaller, but none seem to work on this device?? Im kinda late to the s4 so im sure its been discussed and fixed.. but anyways.. also looks like stock kernal is the smoothest and fastest too.... and with my s3 that wasent the case... but anyways...is there a nice stock debloated FLAWLESS rom u guys recomend? At the moment im using this INTRISIC rom....pretty good...about as close as im going to get to stock debloated..
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First and foremost the phone should perform basic phone functions flawlessly without significant lag such as making a phone call, sending text messages and web surfing. Could add GPS mapping to that list as it seems germane and pervasive.
Part of ROM fatigue is just the lack of this or perhaps the eternal search for it. Perhaps kit kat changes this.
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First and foremost the phone should perform basic phone functions flawlessly without significant lag such as making a phone call, sending text messages and web surfing. Could add GPS mapping to that list as it seems germane and pervasive.
Part of ROM fatigue is just the lack of this or perhaps the eternal search for it. Perhaps kit kat changes this.
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My personal opinion is that any notion of "lag" in Android ceased to be a relevant discussion at least a year ago. Yes, you might still get the odd animation stutter here and there, but it's nothing that affects the actual usability of the phone.
As far as overclocking goes, 4 CPU cores at 1.9GHz seems pretty sufficient to me, but I understand that there will always be those who like to push their phones. I just feel like the difference is only noticeable in benchmark scores.
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testinguser said:
First and foremost the phone should perform basic phone functions flawlessly without significant lag such as making a phone call, sending text messages and web surfing. Could add GPS mapping to that list as it seems germane and pervasive.
Part of ROM fatigue is just the lack of this or perhaps the eternal search for it. Perhaps kit kat changes this.
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I sort this as well as my previous view. The current versions of android has caught up to everything modding was mainly used for. There isn't lag anymore, you get great battery, you also have a couple theme customization as well too. The point is there's a slow in the upward trend to mod.
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At the risk of annoying much of the community, CM= overrated. Had every galaxy s series phone and have yet to see it fully functional. They start working on the next version before the previous one is done and honestly, I'll have a new phone before it's finished every time.
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Soooo true
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