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I’ve spent some time reading about both the Android 2.2 (Froyo) and the iOS 4.1 update recently. Although it’s a pretty close race, looking at a side-by-side comparison of the two leads me to believe that Android is actually winning by a nose.
One of the main problems that were holding the older versions of Android back was their issues with speed. This problem has now been solved with changes that give the OS a 2x to 5x times performance boost which is epic, and there are even rumors that Google is just being modest and that the speed boost is more like 4x-5x. Can’t understand why people are still freaking out about the iPhone 4?
Its not all about speed mate,
theres simplicity (e.g. my parents want a capable phone which they dont have to mess around with). Some android phones still feel like they are beta items (Galaxy S and your lag/gps/UI grammar mistakes...I look at you with scorn. HTC with theri MT skimping and crappy graphics chips.
Theres also the availiability of well-made apps. No dissing to android devs who do an awesome job, googles carefree market attitude DOES allow a lot of crap through. Oh well, at least theyre not fart apps! Theres no unified OS structure in Android and every phone has its quirks etc. Theres also no common platform to build for. Plus. itll be awhile (hopefully soon) before there are sufficient Android phones and publicity to garner attention.
Google's attitude is kinda silly. They are preventing android growth by limiting access to the Android market and to paid apps. I suspect this is based on their intention of controlling payments (e.g. Google checkout issues vs paypal popularity, government laws etc). Also, note the crappy music player, unfinished market software, rudimentary dialer app...and you start to see how android needs just a pinch of salt to get it right.
Not every phone has FRoyo , many take so long to get FROYO its redundant by the time they get it, so not everyone gets a boost in performance.
Iphone 4 has a lot of marketing behind it. Apple focus on one phone every year and it sells heaps. However, there IS a gradual shift away from IOS as people learn how to use a smartphone and decide to give Android a go.
But most importantly, iphone 4 is still popular because of....wait for it.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg
But most importantly iPhone 4 is still popular because everyone who bought an iPhone at launch are now comfortable with it. And therefore continue to buy iPhone/Apple products. It's not because the phone itself is the greatest phone of all time - It's simple to use and doesn't run slow (for the most part).
Android gives you the possibility to customize your phone beyond wildest belief. There's nothing similar about the two (IOS vs Android). IOS is closed off and the application store is a joke. On Android however there are no limitations as to what reaches the market. AppStore is of course 'bigger' and has more applications - but the Android Market has reached a respectable status aswell.
The developement of Android is always moving! Not all devices are at the state say, the HTC Hero is. But there's a good amount of ROMS that you can use. The standard HTC Sense is somewhat ugly and boring. And when using a 'rooted ROM' the speed is often incredible. If you use widgets such as 'Overclock Widget' or 'SetCPU' - You're gonna have a performance enhanced phone.
The problem some people have is getting used to using TaskManagers. On Android you have to close your applications yourself - The phone won't do it for you, as on the iPhone. The reason being multitasking - and YES, I know it's possible on the iPhone aswell since the update. Using taskmanagers also helps with battery life and of course speeds up your phone a lot. Like on the iPhone you can set up your taskmanager to end tasks so-and-so-often. Autokill, in other words. If ending them yourself is a huge disadvantage, I mean.
Widgets. How could you live without them? You know the pretty neat things that make your phone look really SEXY.
- Widgets alone is a dealbreaker. Get Android. You won't be disappointed!
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On Android you have to close your applications yourself - The phone won't do it for you, as on the iPhone. The reason being multitasking
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No, the reason is: there is no sense in closing apps. Android handles this automatically for you.
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No, the reason is: there is no sense in closing apps. Android handles this automatically for you.
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WHAT!
Closing/Exiting/Killing applications saves battery and you get better performance/response from your device.
The iPhone does that automatically. Mainly because it's easier. I guess it takes a load of people's minds. Or simply because consumers can't complain about slow speeds
Android doesn't. That's why we have Task Managers/Killers. If you don't use a taskmanager, your device can't be much responsive [?]
zHk3R said:
What?
Closing/Exiting/Killing applications saves battery and you get better performance/response from your device.
The iPhone does that automatically.
Android doesn't. That's why we have Task Managers/Killers.
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We have task killers, cause people like to complicate things. They don't understand phone isn't a PC, so they think it's bad that there are some apps in the memory. But this is not true. Actually... killers may slow down your phone, but who cares? It sounds good we manage processes by ourself!
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Closing/Exiting/Killing applications saves battery and you get better performance/response from your device. (...) If you don't use a taskmanager, your device can't be much responsive
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Sounded quite fanatic
I don't use any task killer except one built into Android itself. Everything work just fine.
Yea ummm android by default has the best application handling process there is..task managers are a huge waste with android and ultimately destroy performance. You must not understand how the froyo framework is designed. And it is far superior to the way ios handles it application. Android sets priorities to apps and shuts down when needed. It keeps what it needs spooled in memory waiting but after a set time drops those that exceed the time limit or if the memory is needed closes the app with 0 hesitation. This is of course the process explained in generic form.
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Yea ummm android by default has the best application handling process there is..task managers are a huge waste with android and ultimately destroy performance. You must not understand how the froyo framework is designed. And it is far superior to the way ios handles it application. Android sets priorities to apps and shuts down when needed. It keeps what it needs spooled in memory waiting but after a set time drops those that exceed the time limit or if the memory is needed closes the app with 0 hesitation. This is of course the process explained in generic form.
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I was aware there was some sort of application handling process - But I for one am not able to use my phone comfortably without using a taskmanager. This might be because I have a Hero, I don't know.
EDIT: But in light of this, I'm gonna try to use my phone without a task-killer. See how it goes.
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EDIT: But in light of this, I'm gonna try to use my phone without a task-killer. See how it goes.
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Yeah, try. Some people say their phone works better with task killers, others it works worse and I don't see much difference. I have a G1 and it's really low of memory.
Anyway, I don't think Google will ever add possibility to instantly close apps, cause Android's assumption is to keep apps in memory as long as it's possible.
I'll get back to ya when I've gone a day or two without task-killing. Can't really say for sure if it's 'better or not' after an hour without task-killing, lol.
i don't use a task killer and i am getting +24 hours of battery life....
+1 to 2 days of battery life with android doing the task managing.
Can't say to much about the battery life yet. But it does run okay without task-killing.
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I was aware there was some sort of application handling process - But I for one am not able to use my phone comfortably without using a taskmanager. This might be because I have a Hero, I don't know.
EDIT: But in light of this, I'm gonna try to use my phone without a task-killer. See how it goes.
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Let's see.
Your phone has:
about 1/2 the RAM as most devices released in the last 9-12 months are running.
about 1/2 the CPU capablities compared to most devices in the last 9-12 months
an outdated version of the os
2.1 didn't even need a task killer like pre 2.1, and 2.2 really doesn't need one. Ditch the task killer!
I just pissed in my pants. You did not just compare Android to iOShiz. I just pissed. Clean up on Isle COUCH!
IOS/Iphone bores me, even for the Iphone 4, you swipe tee screen and all you get is pretty much the same as when the iphone 2g came out..
Whereas on Android, you have different unlock screens and almost no two phones look alike.
You guys are totally right.
Task Killer is unnecessary.
Guess im gonna have to try and get rid of the task killer. See how it goes
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Let's see.
Your phone has:
about 1/2 the RAM as most devices released in the last 9-12 months are running.
about 1/2 the CPU capablities compared to most devices in the last 9-12 months
an outdated version of the os
2.1 didn't even need a task killer like pre 2.1, and 2.2 really doesn't need one. Ditch the task killer!
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Yeah.
I've got FroydVillain 1.5.0
Not very outdated.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=769735
Check that out zHk3R. Its a whole thread of why task killers actually HURT your android.
So this is basically awesome.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=859419
This thread seems like it could be helpful http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=864174
Can it be ported to our phones?
I think if we could get this working everyone would most likely be grateful.
Let me know what everyone thinks. Im just throwing the idea and hopefully inspiration out there to try and get this working.
i was looking at it a while back, didnt really take a lot of time at it though. ill check into it a bit more, see what i can do
Thanks man its appriciated I see your doing alot for the forum now so im just throwing out a good work.
if this gives us a huge speed increase on the stock htc kernel with its battery life and quick charge time, it'd be tit.
Yea personally my phone lags out more then id like. Usually its when texting which i assume is because i use a 3rd party app and because i usually have a few thousand texts in my inbox but still any kind of boost without sacrificing battery would be AWESOME.
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Yea personally my phone lags out more then id like. Usually its when texting which i assume is because i use a 3rd party app and because i usually have a few thousand texts in my inbox but still any kind of boost without sacrificing battery would be AWESOME.
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yea but to be honest, i dont think there is such thing as a completely smooth sense rom. i mean skyraider and frankenrom were close with a good kernel but i think if we got this to work to take a load off the UI/system it would be alot smoother, no little "glitches" or hiccups ya kno
Even if it's not 100% smooth if it helps without the need of overclocking well that's just great
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yea but to be honest, i dont think there is such thing as a completely smooth sense rom. i mean skyraider and frankenrom were close with a good kernel but i think if we got this to work to take a load off the UI/system it would be alot smoother, no little "glitches" or hiccups ya kno
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That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I never get lag, not sure what you are doing to yours but your are definitely doing something wrong. I have had Droid 1 users comment on how smooth the Incredible was compared to the Droid.
I am running stock rom which I deodexed and zipaligned and removed verizon bloat from. I also delete texts before they get 1000+ long. I never understood wht people kept them that long, blackmail later on?
I would love to see this on the Incredible though, I actually came looking to see if anyone was working on this.
if what I'm reading is correct, this might be the best performance tweak that could make roms truly fly.
I certainly would appreciate it tremendously.
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Cyanogen just tweeted they will support no phones with this. Why is that? Is this a bad hack or something?
But the speed increase looks phenomenal! I'd be down for this in ROMs.
Droid Incredible Rooted!
Seems to basically do what voodoo does for galaxy s phones.
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Well it seems like porting it is tricky in the second link I posted it says how the phone doesn't wanna act right after a reboot. Hmm well maybe we will get lucky and get this working on our phones.
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So only r2does is willing to tackle this?
Hmm I really thought people would be more excited.
no sure if im going to have a chance any time soon though, busy with the GRH build, plus i got finals next week.
people may not be interested because it doesnt seem like theres a large following. CM already said that d2ext will recieve NO support from him or his team.
Did the cm team say why they would not support this? Is it too much different work for each device and thus not easy to develop as a common rom?
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Per @cyanogen
Using the data2ext hack on CM ROMs will get you no support from us. You have been warned
Well this is the forbidden hack now
I dont mind waiting but i dont see why people arent excited i mean this would seemingly get rid of the need to overclock and with your phones which have very well known bad battery life that seems amazing to me.
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That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I never get lag, not sure what you are doing to yours but your are definitely doing something wrong. I have had Droid 1 users comment on how smooth the Incredible was compared to the Droid.
I am running stock rom which I deodexed and zipaligned and removed verizon bloat from. I also delete texts before they get 1000+ long. I never understood wht people kept them that long, blackmail later on?
I would love to see this on the Incredible though, I actually came looking to see if anyone was working on this.
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I came from a Droid 1 and yea huge difference but its COMPPETELY smooth... I don't keep a million texts and for the most part it is smooth but you do have to admit you get an occaisional hiccup or the lock screen slider isn't too smooth idk I love it wayyyyyy better than any other phone ui though
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Yeah, just like they probably won't support ROMs that have any sort of other mod of their ROM... and with good reason. You wouldn't support something you made if someone else screwed it up by adding a bunch of modifications or changing system files.
Gingerbread ROMs are going to be worthless until the source drops or a ROM leaks from another phone anyway. Why not work on something worth while in the mean time instead of something that's going to be completely abandoned in a month or so?
He went on to say later that the reason that they would not be supporting it is that #1 it is his belief that it is a benchmark hack, with no other use. #2 If you move the data partition to the SD (or better yet, we have 8gb of internal storage, which is probably faster transfers) when you try to wipe between roms, you leave a bunch of garbage behind and possibly have issues. Then the *****ing starts and everybody thinks it's because of your rom, but really it was just that the whole partition didn't get wiped.
Hello all, I know this will sound like a rant against the phone but in reality I just want to know if others share my opinion or if I'm alone on this one thus making the "problem" me.
I recently bought an HTC sensation 4g and I have a problem called companies customizations!
My problem with sense is that it has tons of apps that I don't need: ereader, stock; or other that I need but are bloated: weather.
It's probably a seller to see big cloud on such a great screen, but on the long run I wished it opened up immediately with the hourly forecast and less fullscreen animation to drain battery.
I heard a lot of my friends that didn't like android (mostly hated samsung or htc) and I never understood why. My nexus one with stock android wasn't the prettiest phone to look at (compared to iphone) but with some customization it was quick, usable and provided more functions than pretty graphics. But now I know! With loads of extra useless apps and their contents or awkward design choices (like the not very friendly coverflow looking thing to choose backgrounds and such). Yesterday I heard from my friend that his girlfriend galaxy s came with avatar and they had a long struggle trying to remove it from the phone sd card because they didn't care about it. When I checked the phone the avatar icon was still there since they're not very tech-savvy.
Don't get me wrong I don't hate my phone, the hardware is great, the screen is better than I expected, I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery. Apple doesn't do that and there's a reason "normal" people tend to pick up an iphone so quickly.
I wish there was an official way to ask companies to make all this stuff optional! Please don't think that I have it with HTC or sense, I'm referencing sense because that's what I experienced this problem with. Let me know what you think maybe if others have this issue with companies, we could organize a petition or something?
That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies .my Samsung had a heap of unwanted bloatware and service provider crappy useless battery consuming memory hogging apps the best thing i ever did was root this phone no more random reboots battery improved by 50% and everything on the phone is what i want on it not something that the companies think or want you to have on it .So with all that said if you have patients and can do some searching on the xda forums you will find a solution to what you want to achieve on your device .Believe me if you like it now you will love it when you get it the way you want it.
Hope that help .
I moved from iphone 4 to the SGS2.
One thing i know whatever i do to this phone it can be fully restored back to stock and the warranty will still be there providing i don't brick the phone
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Mustoura said:
That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies.
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He said that himself
DBBGBA said:
I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery.
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I could not agree more with the OP. I used Nexus 1 builds on my HD2 for about 8 months and loved it. I've now got a Samsung Galaxy S2 (I just wanted a newer, faster phone, but with the same size screen), and despite being a great phone I found myself longing for that AOSP experience. I tried a couple of AOSP ROMs in the SGS2 forum and breathed a sigh of relief at how much difference they made, but they unfortunatly aren't currently stable enough to use day-in-day-out. So I've recently gone down a different route - MIUI. I've literally only done it today, and so far I'm loving it.
Anyway, I digress. There should be some manufacturers out there that recognise this gap in the market and sell basic Android phones, with no other crap on them. I know Google do that (obviously), but I wish more did the same. People shouldn't have to know how to flash a ROM or root and freeze apps, just to get the best possible basic Android experience available.
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Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Mustoura said:
Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Heh. I have a sneaking suspicion that you're not the 1st person to comment on a post after not reading it correctly. I reckon in the history of the internet it's happened at least 3 times
Id like to see a major manufacturer do a little experiment on there next big handset.
Supply two different versions, one with there overlay and one aosp fresh from the oven, see which one sells.
I know they are only trying to add functionality to the device but they could at least write there apps properly so they dont cause wakelocks and hog resources, hell there's a whole forum full of very competent developers im sure would be happy to help
@johncmolyneux
off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby
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off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby
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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice
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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice
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I was the same meself tried a few out and stuck with Villain, been testing CM out occasionally to see how development is going and very impressed! if i'm not mistaken Miui is based on CM so if thats working for you its party time
the main thread with the download link is in the Q&A thread in Q&A, just so you know
Was rocking Hyperdroid Cm7 on my HD2 too so i know the feeling
I think I just officially hijacked this thread! sorry OP
That's why I have a g2x, pretty much vanilla android. But then again, just take all that crap off yourself or flash a custom rom.
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Not sure you get it Sir!
aosp = stock android = no bloatware
Standard and fast for you to add what YOU want, not have crappy coded apps forced on you that are difficult to remove.
Simples
I agree...
But I think this Operating System Fragmentation is a USA problem. Sure it happens elsewhere. The problem is the carriers use the bloatware and other specialty apps as a revenue stream. So far, Apple is changing that game and Google is doing what it can but with so many handsets and the open nature of Android it's really hard to control. I won't say anything about the closed ecosystem Apple has built vs the Android Market since both have redeeming qualities as well as flaws.
I have 3 phones on my account, all android. All were rooted on first day out of the box and had all that bloatware removed, including Inception which took up too much space on the memory card.
I wish the USA would take the approach found almost everywhere else. You pick your phone, then you pick your carrier. There's lots of great stuff going on elsewhere in the world like NFC, handsets that aren't gimped by the carrier... etc.
Just IMHO.
Cheers
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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!
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But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it
mynamesteve said:
But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it
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To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
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BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!
I have to say, if it wasn't for HTC I wouldn't have an android phone.
Tried a Nexus ROM on my HD2, really hated it. Tried the SGS2, really couldn't get on with it (nice screen though).
I can understand and respect that many people do like aosp, and I'm glad that we have the options available to us.
My stock sensation is fast and sense 3 is lovely and polished.
I really wish carriers (apparently mostly in the US) didn't take a fast phone and turn it into something reportedly sluggish though.
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To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
Rant over
BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!
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Sadly no it doesnt make it aosp and as the user above pointed out theres a lot of fragmentation in android, manufactures are messing with the core of the system and not just building an overlay/launcher.
Sometimes this works sometimes this doesn't i do feel alot of the resources could be used to better the stock system, better all round compatibility, better drivers and make android better for all there users. but thats like asking for world peace, and im no CEO of a major corp so what do i know
But i know how it works in the real world, i gave my sister my HD2 and she doesnt care what Rom is on there as long as it looks nice and everything is there out the box. (cant believe i gave her the most versitile handset on the planet with that attitude but thats beside the point )
The OS ease is very important to people and i understand that for a non-tecky, i think that is also part of the reason why we cant have stock out the box, the 'mobile market' needs the icon on his device to begin with so the manufacturers try to supply that, but do it very badly.
Phew! sorry about that.
I also much prefer AOSP.
I loved sense on winmo but I absolutely detest the android equivalent.
Touchwiz is just plain vile and as jcm mentioned the SGS2 is lacking that really stable aosp experience....
Luckily though if your unhappy with your phone and need to make changes then your in the right place
No I haven't missed the op's point about wanting more customisation out of the box but I just wanted to make the point that every single resource you need to achieve whatever you want to do with your phone (within reason) is right here under your nose.
I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
Sure I cheated and used a kitchen but hey, gotta start somewhere right.
Anyway I digress, my point is that we can all wish for HTC/samsung etc to start catering for our every need until we are blue in the face but they won't.
Sometimes you just have to roll up you're sleeves and do things for yourself.
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I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
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And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours
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And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours
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Actually I very nearly did but you know how many zip file heroes there are in that section. Do we really need another?
That and I'm too lazy to update it for each new firmware that trickles out.
I think I will release one though, probably with a very tongue in cheek OP....
And yes, I and a lot of others had many, many hours of enjoyment from your work so thanks for that
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hi all,
this is my first full post here on xda... i have been a member for a few years now and thought i should write something the community may agree/dispute/love/hate
and so...
here it is...
i have titled this my confession as basically it is a confession... its something i have put off for quite some time now...
i am a major windows mobile fan... from way back when with my o2 xda to my hd2... i love it and everything about it... its a faithful, hardworking, do it all mobile os... i had touchscreen phones and pda's long before the touchscreen hype came in... back when my friends still had the nokia hype, with changable cases and envious battery life... anything they could do, i could do better... just for the 6 or so hours my battery gave me... then devices evolved (slowly at first) o2 xda ii then some more...mda vario... htc elf (touch) then a blackberry (never again!!!!) had that for a very short time... then got myself a tytn ii... windows mobile with real power... filled it with spb software... had android running from sd... was my first real do it all phone...
then time and age became an issue... my hardware was restricting me... software can only go so far... so the time came for an upgrade... in steps the amazing 4.3" multi touch, capacative, 1ghz powerhouse that is the hd2... running the latest and greatest version of windows mobile with a sexy sense ui draped over the top...
soon as it was released here in england i was at my local phone shop and signing up to an 18 month contract...
soon after this, a nice hspl came along which meant 1 thing to me, and 1 thing only... custom rom goodness... oh, i went through every rom imaginable... (i believe the term for this is ord or obsessive rom-flashing disorder)
i finally settled on energy roms... loved the speed, looks and the sheer number of different flavours nrgz28 offered...
then shock horror... i dropped my hd2 and smashed the digitizer... a job i would usually do myself but after the cost of the screen (£100) and what a local phone shop quoted me (£120) i decided to let them deal with the annoying job...
BIG MISTAKE!!!! basically ruined the ribbon for my volume keys and lost the glass that makes the proximity and light sensors work... they had it for about 2months... and so after a big row with them i had half my money refunded and my fone returned with a new screen but still a little sick... broken hd2 of ebay was the answer as during this time the first windows phone software was ready and waiting for my approval... so phone fixed, wp7 flashed the end....
or not... after a few minutes with wp7 i noticed simple features were missing... like copy/paste... i was unable to download any media onto my device... a big disappointment... what ever happened to microsoft??? took a beautiful thing and just destroyed it... why try and be like the iphone when waht u had was so much better...
tutt tutt...
now... down to the confession... after this utter shock from windows i decided to try android out... had it running from sd for quite some time, but thought its time to try nand and reap the benefits... so away i go... first a galaxy s rom... pretty impressive, but still lacking that spark... then a few newer builds and versions surfaced... had the desire hd rom... was nice... then i got a whiff of gingerbread goodness... started really liking the leaps and bounds the still young os was offering... then on... 2.3... 2.3.3... 2.3.5... ect... each time getting a little better... the finally ics...
ics hit the hd2 like an ice cream hitting a sensative tooth... bang! on it went and wow... im really impressed... feels like this is what wp7 should have been...
it stank of winmo customizability... ate up everything i did to it and seemed like this is how its meant to be...
android on my hd2 felt so right but also so wrong... whats going on?? im singing the praises of a winmo competitor... whats happened to me?? am i sick?? have i hit my head?? i really cant place my finger on it...
so my confession is this secret love affair i have had with android... cheating on winmo for so long... so i have decided to come clean... cant keep this cherade up any longer...
sorry winmo, i do, and always will love u... we had many brilliant times together... ones i will always remember... its not you, its me... i have met someone else and she makes me happy now... so im going to admit this now and confirm its over between us... im so so so truly very sorry...
i hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me and we can still be friends... u have influenced me and made me who i am today and 4 that i thank you
so... heres the start of not having to hide my new love... 1 i hope will last forever...
....So i bet your thinking "why did i just sit and read this crap??" its coz maybe secretly u have the same love affair? or u were actually hoping to find out some real murderers confession? or your just bored? whatever the reason, u now know where my heart lies...
maybe its time for u all to think where exactly ur heart lies...
food for thought...
thanks for reading
luke (android lover)
I've only been an Android guy. Today I went and played with some WinMo 8 devices and was impressed by the general UI and the screen clarity. That was about it though... the OS was hard to navigate and I got lost in it a few times... didn't like the Carl Zeiss on the Lumia 900 either...
So, I will be getting either the next Nexus or the Galaxy Nexus, depending on if the new one is out... And as you said ICS is a beautiful thing!!!
I want to rip the camera sensor off of the Pureview 808 (runs Belle) and slap it on Android.
GMIUInfuse
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I've only been an Android guy. Today I went and played with some WinMo 8 devices and was impressed by the general UI and the screen clarity. That was about it though... the OS was hard to navigate and I got lost in it a few times... didn't like the Carl Zeiss on the Lumia 900 either...
So, I will be getting either the next Nexus or the Galaxy Nexus, depending on if the new one is out... And as you said ICS is a beautiful thing!!!
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There's no winmo 8 or even windows phone 8 yet.
As a whole, ICS feels like the same stuttery unintuitive mess I got from all other android builds, but I guess if winmo was your bag you grow accustomed to sacrificing performance and usability for a more feature enriched ecosystem.
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z33dev33l said:
As a whole, ICS feels like the same stuttery unintuitive mess I got from all other android builds, but I guess if winmo was your bag you grow accustomed to sacrificing performance and usability for a more feature enriched ecosystem.
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well if all android builds are stuttery unintuitive mess's then u maybe need to try another device... my hd2 runs android like a dream... if i didnt know better, it could be the native os...
im unaware of what performance and usability im sacrificing... as my phone performs just as quick if not quicker than winmo ever did... even with energyroms... boot time is quicker... battery life is better... its a more finger friendly os than winmo...
i see ur a windows fan still... each to their own... as a whole, iv never rated nokia as a manufacturer of high end devices, but their deal with microsoft was the best thing they could have ever done... meego, symbian and the other crap they used to ship their devices with was a joke...
imheroldman said:
I've only been an Android guy. Today I went and played with some WinMo 8 devices and was impressed by the general UI and the screen clarity. That was about it though... the OS was hard to navigate and I got lost in it a few times... didn't like the Carl Zeiss on the Lumia 900 either...
So, I will be getting either the next Nexus or the Galaxy Nexus, depending on if the new one is out... And as you said ICS is a beautiful thing!!!
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the ui (metro) can be downloaded from google play for free if u like the ui... screen clarity is down to the device really... wp7 is quick but really lacks any kind of spark for me... and coming from winmo, i really wanted to love wp7 but i just dont...
as for an upgrade id always suggest htc... kies for the samsung devices is the worst piece of software ever written... and theres just something about sony ericsson devices that feels cheap to me... if memory serves (which it probabily dont) the first nexus was made by htc... a few of them were made by samsung... dont hold me to that
You can't download the UI, you can download a cheap, laggy imitation that almost drove me from wp7 initially because I thought that was all it was. You don't sacrifice speed or stability from winmo to android because they're both stuttery and unstable. Winmo felt like a beta OS, android continued on that beta. Wp7 feels like something more solid and complete in comparison.
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You can't download the UI, you can download a cheap, laggy imitation that almost drove me from wp7 initially because I thought that was all it was.
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launcher 7's not laggy, lol. It is somewhat limited atm, but live tiles are coming very soon.
In comparison to the real deal, it's laggy. Android simply isn't built to be smooth. Honestly, winmo is better built, had they improved the UI, worked on the hardware, and built a viable marketplace, they'd have Android's spot. Unfortunately, Bill Gates wanted a mobile version of windows... He was the only one.
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In comparison to the real deal, it's laggy.
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Like this water flowing over a leaf is laggier than that water flowing over a leaf, I'm sure.
No, android stutters due to a number of factors. Windows Phone takes measures to prevent such things. Launcher 7 is disappointing, it almost drove me from windows phone before I'd tried it because I installed it and thought, "So this is all WP7 is? Boring." Then I got a cheap HD7, even that tired old device blew away anything else on the market in terms of fluidity and speed.
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No, android stutters due to a number of factors.
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I've noticed you keep trying to change your focus, from "Launcher 7" to "Android". Composition fallacy?
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Launcher 7 is disappointing, it almost drove me from windows phone before I'd tried it because I installed it and thought, "So this is all WP7 is? Boring."
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WP is indeed more than what Launcher 7 is.. but not by much, and the gap gets smaller everyday.
Ok, I'll make a small confession too then, shall I?
To be honest WP7 looks like a very well designed and consistent OS to me, but as any other it has its own bugs. Sure it's quite stable, especially compared to Gingerbread, but it's no Swiss watch by any mean. For example, people criticise Android because of force closes, but honestly WP7 isn't very different: at times you tap on some app and you get kicked back to your home screen, and you can't fix it without rebooting the phone or even reinstalling the app from scratch, eventally losing all of your settings. Sure you don't get the "force close" message, but this actually IS a force close. Talking about lag, I can't really say that WP7 is as consistent as some tend to describe it. Sure I'm insanely fast at typing, but at times the input is delayed, and in many situations the ICS keyboard on my SGS2 was generally faster and more fluid.
This said, I like the idea of WP7 a LOT. I love the design of every single thing, everything has been made with very good taste and always keeping the focus on user experience. I've been using WP7 for about 5 months now, and honestly I wouldn't go back. I think that WP7 is really close to perfect as a PHONE OS (for my perosnal taste at least), because let's face it: first of all a phone should be something you use for keeping in touch, doing some light browsing/tweeting and enjoying some media content on the go. Some people say that Android has more features and is generally better for so called "power users". I used to think that too, but honestly, growing up a little and actually starting to have a real life and some sort of job I came to think that phones in general are not really meant for power users. Now I know I'm on XDA, right? Don't kill me please, just let me explain. A phone has some really annoying features: small battery, small screen (yes, they generally are small, and good luck carrying a Note without cargo pants, or either operate it with one hand), and last but not least, people can always call/text/mail you when your doing your ****s. For a REAL power user this should be annoying, right? For me the best solution would be carrying an Android tablet and a WP7 device, so you can have a good and reliable communication device, fast and easy to use, AND a tablet for doing the real business as a real laptop replacement, or even just for tinkering, trying ROMs, gaming and all that jazz. A tablet has a huge battery, a very enjoyable screen and when you're using it people can still reach you on your phone without bothering you too much.
This summer I'll be definitely getting a good 10" slate with ICS on board, but I guess I won't be using it anymore as a phone OS. WP7 is my ideal phone OS: it's reliable, good looking and easy to use, and it helps me keeping focused on what really matters in my life: work, sports, friends and girls. An Android PHONE is probably too much for me, I'm too easily distracted. Now this is my very personal story, and my very personal preferences. Everyone should be enjoying his phone (and his life of course), hating is pointless. Peace out
i bet my "tired old hd2" will out perform your young, perky NOKIA... and i reckon it wont just be the hardware that makes the difference... u must have had some really bad versions of android because iv not had 1 laggy, slow or memory hungry version... and i have NEVER owned an android phone...
android supports 3d which no other platform has... supports quad core... wp7 cant yet support dual core... windows has been around since the dinosaurs and STILL lacks a decent marketplace...
android over wp7 any day...
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Ok, I'll make a small confession too then, shall I?
To be honest WP7 looks like a very well designed and consistent OS to me, but as any other it has its own bugs. Sure it's quite stable, especially compared to Gingerbread, but it's no Swiss watch by any mean. For example, people criticise Android because of force closes, but honestly WP7 isn't very different: at times you tap on some app and you get kicked back to your home screen, and you can't fix it without rebooting the phone or even reinstalling the app from scratch, eventally losing all of your settings. Sure you don't get the "force close" message, but this actually IS a force close. Talking about lag, I can't really say that WP7 is as consistent as some tend to describe it. Sure I'm insanely fast at typing, but at times the input is delayed, and in many situations the ICS keyboard on my SGS2 was generally faster and more fluid.
This said, I like the idea of WP7 a LOT. I love the design of every single thing, everything has been made with very good taste and always keeping the focus on user experience. I've been using WP7 for about 5 months now, and honestly I wouldn't go back. I think that WP7 is really close to perfect as a PHONE OS (for my perosnal taste at least), because let's face it: first of all a phone should be something you use for keeping in touch, doing some light browsing/tweeting and enjoying some media content on the go. Some people say that Android has more features and is generally better for so called "power users". I used to think that too, but honestly, growing up a little and actually starting to have a real life and some sort of job I came to think that phones in general are not really meant for power users. Now I know I'm on XDA, right? Don't kill me please, just let me explain. A phone has some really annoying features: small battery, small screen (yes, they generally are small, and good luck carrying a Note without cargo pants, or either operate it with one hand), and last but not least, people can always call/text/mail you when your doing your ****s. For a REAL power user this should be annoying, right? For me the best solution would be carrying an Android tablet and a WP7 device, so you can have a good and reliable communication device, fast and easy to use, AND a tablet for doing the real business as a real laptop replacement, or even just for tinkering, trying ROMs, gaming and all that jazz. A tablet has a huge battery, a very enjoyable screen and when you're using it people can still reach you on your phone without bothering you too much.
This summer I'll be definitely getting a good 10" slate with ICS on board, but I guess I won't be using it anymore as a phone OS. WP7 is my ideal phone OS: it's reliable, good looking and easy to use, and it helps me keeping focused on what really matters in my life: work, sports, friends and girls. An Android PHONE is probably too much for me, I'm too easily distracted. Now this is my very personal story, and my very personal preferences. Everyone should be enjoying his phone (and his life of course), hating is pointless. Peace out
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well said... and yes, its all down to preference... theres many (stupid) people that believe the i phony or crapberry is the way forward... not at all... i believe its android... i rarely have force closes... beyond that i have no problems at all with android on my WINDOWS MOBILE device...
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well said... and yes, its all down to preference... theres many (stupid) people that believe the i phony or crapberry is the way forward... not at all... i believe its android... i rarely have force closes... beyond that i have no problems at all with android on my WINDOWS MOBILE device...
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Android actually is a really good all around platform. I guess it's the best pick for many, if not most people these days: you can get it on any sort of device at any price. Also, not everybody can afford both a phone and a tablet, and Android is definitely the best all arounder. Also, the fact that it tends to look familiar to previous Symbian, iOS, BBOS and even WM users makes it appeal to many. Anyway I always hope that every single platform out there manages to survive and succeed at some extent, without some tough competitors Android would become stale in a few years like Symbian and BBOS. Actually the fact that it doesn't belong to a single OEM is a big boost for the platform as a whole already. Future still looks very bright for the green robot IMHO.
I didn't recognize android lag until I used something more stable either. Now it's painfully apparent. Jumping from winmo to android would have to feel like an improvement because winmo was just generally bad. I mean, in it's time it was ok at best. It had it's MMOs and stuff but never got past the point where you felt you needed a stylus in some places. It was always a PPC OS and never a smartphone OS. Android is a continuation on this, and while it's remedied most of the issues, lag and stability are not one of them. Perhaps I push my android phones harder with games like Dungeon Defenders and such, but I had to reset my gs2 daily for the week I had it. My Nokia Lumia 800 has been reset seven times total since last October. It's just more stable and more social.
Vnvman, what apps do you have such issues with? The only app that's caused me to have to reset is board express which is a poorly done app. At least it's not the built in apps though like with android.
Again, maybe I push my phone more. However, my measly 1.4 GHz processor runs circles around the gs2 I had long enough to ditch it. That would be the same GS2 that is said to be the first android phone that utilized a partially GPU accelerated UI.
The last app I had issues with was Carbon, just a week ago. It kinda surprised me because it always worked pretty good. I had to reinstall it in order to make it work again. Oh, and yesterday my gf had some issues on her 710, she had some stupid game like Shoot Bubble unable to launch, reinstalling it did the trick.
Honestly these things don't really bother me (it doesn't happen often), what actually made me wanna throw my phone off the window the other day was 3g connectivity, which wasn't working no matter what. After 24 hours it started working again, apparently without a reason. Funny thing is that my gf was having this issue at the same time, but none of my friends with the same carrier had it. Really weird.
Hmm, perhaps it pertained to your account with the phone company? A glitch in the system of sorts. I don't use carbon, not certain what it is, and stick mostly on the beaten path for games. Perhaps that's why I don't have that issue. The stock stuff covers most of what I need in a phone.
Carbon is a Twitter client, it's pretty good, you should try it if you haven't already. It's well designed and melts beautifully in the OS. I'm not a great fan of the integrated client we have, it's definitely usable but a little limited, and the official twitter app hurts my eye (and my battery) with all that stupid white...
Since I have gotten this phone I have noticed an influx of complaints about how slow and laggy this phone is due to it's low RAM. I too have experienced these same issues as everyone else. After using the Galaxy S 3 since July it was hard not treating this phone like it was a power house. Well this phone obviously isn't, and as Android OS and Apps are advancing the slower this phone is going to seem. Remembering what life was like when I had the Samsung Intercept on Virgin Mobile I was able to get some what of a buttery experience with this phone. So I am just going to share my set up and what I am doing, and other's may share their experience. My hopes is that we can all learn what to do and what not to do and somewhere in between. I am no expert and do hope to learn some pointers from people more experiences and more qualified than me
#1 I am using a light weight rom, slim bean 4.1 to be exact I am sure any rom will do, but with this phone I would assume less is more in terms of performance. Also play around see what works best for you, ,GB, ICS, JB4.1, JB4.2. There is no best rom just best rom for you. Once you find one that works for you golden!
#2 Since I am using Jellybean I went into developers options(to enable go to about phone and tap build number 7 times) and I set the background process limit to 4. My reasoning is I dont' want to forfeit multi tasking all together but it's very apparent that this phone can only handle so much. You can also set it "don't keep activies" which wont allow any multi tasking like old school iOS.
#3 I use Android built in task manager to exit out of applications I am using quite frequently. If you hold the home button for an extended period of time the task manager will appear. (maybe different depending on which rom you use)
#3 don't overload this phone with apps, not only do we have limited storage for apps, but the more apps that run in the back ground the slower that it takes. What I did is many apps are basically short cuts to website for instance bank of america. What I did was in the stock browser I bookmarked the website, and then made a short cut to my desktop. I also changed icon to something similar to what the app icon would look like. Not all launchers support changing the icon. I did the same with facebook as it is often runing in the background. If you don't use Navigation uninstalling google maps might be a good idea. If you play games delete all processes before and after playing
#4 A lot of games take up a lot of resources so if you must play games especially one that uses a lot of power than maybe a good idea to delete processes before and after game usage. If the game(or any app for that matter) is constantly freezing than perhaps you should just delete it.
#5 don't use a launcher that takes up a lot of memory, the lighter the better. Stock launcher is probably a safe bet. I use Espire launher(iOS launcher), I know Atom would also be a good one. Stay away from any 3D launcher anything with eye candy imo is bad idea. In my experience Go Laucher, mihome, Launcher7/8 are memory hogs, I mean if they slowed down my old GS3 just imagine our phone. Although with Launher 7/8 If you were disable the live tiles it may run smoother. My opinion though is what's the point. The live tile's is the reason what attracted me to those launchers in the past. In the end just use what works for you
#6 If the phone starts acting up go ahead and reboot,
#7 If using a rom that supports theme's try not to use them, often times I have run into many so called bugs that magically disapeared when reverting back to system theme. Right now I am using xperia cm10.1 and so far no issue's what so ever
#8 I disabled Google Now, my experience has shown me that our phones aren't capable of handling it. Google now is constantly running in the back ground and I suspect causing the phone to slow down, freeze, or just randomly reboot.
#9 I do not use live wallpaper, nor do I use any widgets. I love widgets and depending on the widget may not use any extra resources. That being said for me on this phone I would rather be safe than sorry
#10 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158329
This has improved my phone greatly. Make sure your ROM meets the requirements and doesn't have any tweaks.
Using these methods I get decent performance, and battery life. This is no GS3 so I believe to get the most out of this phone you really have baby it to get the most out of it. I believe the issue is with how little Ram this phone has. I have had the HTC Mytouch 4g and I never had this issue. The MT4G also had almost a gig of Ram. I don't believe it's the processer as there are many 1GHZ single core processing phones that do not have the FC/Freezing issues we have.
Try CM7
I have been using Slimbean 4.1 and 4.2 too for the past few weeks and I have experienced frequent lag spikes when multitasking which sometimes drived me crazy. Recently, my phone was stuck in a bootloop while I was out of town so I had to flash CM7 and I was surprised at how buttery it felt. Overall, I really like the performance (although I do miss some features of JB) and I strongly advise you to try it out.
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I have been using Slimbean 4.1 and 4.2 too for the past few weeks and I have experienced frequent lag spikes when multitasking which sometimes drived me crazy. Recently, my phone was stuck in a bootloop while I was out of town so I had to flash CM7 and I was surprised at how buttery it felt. Overall, I really like the performance (although I do miss some features of JB) and I strongly advise you to try it out.
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To each his/her own. I am not interested in gingerbread unless absolutely necessary. I think many of the problems are with Google now
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Try a shot of Nos then Tell me how u feel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158329
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It says twrp is not recommended any reason why? I am using slim bean 4.1 should work I'll have to read the thread to make sure it has no conflicting tweaks...excited to see if this helps
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It says twrp is not recommended any reason why? I am using slim bean 4.1 should work I'll have to read the thread to make sure it has no conflicting tweaks...excited to see if this helps
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Smartguy used TWRP and says it works just fine. Just make a nandroid as always in case you have an issue, I don't think you will though. Just be sure to disable any task killers if you use them.
It works flawlessly in twrp
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Try a shot of Nos then Tell me how u feel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158329
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Works really well on slim bean 4.1. For list of possible ways to improve this phone. Had to disable start up tweaks
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Anytime i can help i miss thus phone
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