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Poll: HD7 and WP7 Pros and Cons. Share your thoughts and vote.

About HD7 and WP7, quick review.
Positive HTC HD7:
. The device is awesome, fast, slim, the 4.3” high resolution screen is really epic and it feels really good when holding it in your hands. It makes you wanna have sex with it.
. The device materials quality is over my expectations
. Auto focus and dual LED flash working great
. Gsensor, proximity, and ambient light Sensor fast and reliable
Negative HTC HD7:
. Internal storage: 8 GB (Europe), I just hope we can upgrate it soon
. Battery drains a lot. it seems that battery manufacters are not keeping the pace. I recommend to disable all automatic updates and dont use 3G.
Positive Microsoft WP7:
. Really a clean OS fast and very responsive.
. The Hubs and animated tiles layout is very simple and fun to use.
. Social integration is a awesome feature and well worked by Microsoft (but it may be a little confusing for newbs.
. The boot sequence is the faster I ever seen.
Negative Microsoft WP7:
. Marketplace and Zune not available for all regions (you need to create a windows live account in a Region like UK for example).
. Lack of Customization
Bottom line:
WP7 is a kind of fresh air in the mobile world, a different approach with easy-to-use interface focused in integration of features and social network. Its fast, clean, intuitive, full of people-centric features with memory management like no other OS. Overall is has unbeatable perfomance.
Metro UI it is not just a app launcher, it has live tiles and not that sea of the same old and boring icons. The touch responsiveness is awesome and the short transitions between applications is the best experience I ever had.
The WP7 keyboard is clean , the mail experience is solid, IE9 is fast, the Office integration make WP7 impossible to ignore for serious business users, terrific Zune and Xbox Live integration with beautiful and useful user interface. All of these features are as simple and clean as the rest of the OS.
A kid can use it, a grown up can use it, a elderly can use it.
WP7 its still a work in progress and yes there is a lot of features missing but since it is just one year old, you can wait and live without it. The most important is that what we have now does not break, crash or lag. It works perfectly and smooth. Bottom line, you love it or you hate it.
In my case, I Love Windows Phone.
EDIT:
My Rate so far: 8.5/10
Thats all.
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Hm, have not had any issue with the hubs. Agree on battery life, it is pretty weak so far. I've done multiple drains as well.
I'm pretty torn on the HD7 myself. On the one hand it's probably the best-looking handheld device I've ever owned. Hardware is just excellent and feels great in the hand. But the more I look at the screen the more I realize how poor it is. Colors are very washed out. My 1st gen iPod touch has better brightness, contrast and saturation than this screen. HTC could have done better here.

Would you say the battery last longer same or shorter then HD2?

I find the HD7 to be the best looking of all the WP7 phones yet released. I love the black chrome surround and the silver mesh inserts at each end of the front face. I also found ou t those mesh inserts conduct sound from the rear speaker. That is a plus, rather than just being there for looks.I love the high quality kickstand also. The HD7 combines all the best elements of the HD2 and Evo in a much prettier package.
My HD7 works flawlessly...signal and fit and finish as well. The screen is unblemished and the display is colorful and bright. I love the chrome buttons and I especially love the dual level camera button.
WP7 is, to me, the best mobile OS ever released. It is superbly smooth, uncluttered and efficient. It lacks features right now but, similar to the iPhone's lack of features, WP7 will evolve into the most successful mobile OS ever produced...my opinion.
Taking into consideration the nature of the system and how it will evolve, I give WP7 a 9 out of 10. I have experienced some minor bugs. Otherwise I would give it a 10/10

I love my hd7 to , real good build quality and O2 German version has 16 GB in it

I hate sound quality in HD7. There is absolute no bass if you use the included headphones or buildin speaker. As far as I know there is also no other headphones that have compatible control. Also the mic should be at the level of mouth or a little lower, but not at the chest level.

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I hate sound quality in HD7. There is absolute no bass if you use the included headphones or buildin speaker. As far as I know there is also no other headphones that have compatible control. Also the mic should be at the level of mouth or a little lower, but not at the chest level.
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Yeah, the HD2 included head set also has the mouth piece way low, like they designed it for the indigenous people who stretch out their necks, never made sense to me on that one.

Nice thread, I will wait for more comments before I buy mine.

My HD7
Me and MY HD7 it's a love hate relationship I guess.
A bit of history:
I've owned the HD1 (****ing loved it), The HD2 (was an okay device) Now the HD7 (still testing it). I'm a smartphone FANATIC! I have devices ranging from the Nexus One, to the Blue Angel (favorite phone of all time), to the EVO, G1, MOTO Backflip, Touch Pro1 and 2, even the XDA Flame, and Palm Pre, you name it. So I don't really have a biased to any particular device.
The HD7:
The physical design is AMAZING (though I think it could use more metal on the back, but it still feels way better than the plastic clad EVO). The screen appears to be floating as it's not touching the upper and lower bezel. The kickstand is sturdy.
The camera button is hard to press on the second stage (not the focus stage), if you attempt to use one hand it will probably shake enough of ruin your shot (and I have big hands, I can palm a basket ball). two hand use should be fine
The camera flash is great. It does a good job with adjusting the brightness of the light.
The battery life is absolutely pathetic, worse than than any device I ever owned.
The Audio from the built in speaker is CRAP! Even with HTC sound enhancer. I'ts actually the worst sounding phone I every owned, but it's bearable.
The Audio pushed out through the headphones is AMAZING!
The vibrator. I know who ever's reading this is like WTF? But I've always hated the way the vibrator feels on HTC device. I think it's an important feature on devices nowadays especially with tactile feedback emulations. With that said: On my EVO it's horrible it makes an annoying noise and it only vibrates the lower portion of the phone. But the vibrator on this device is awesome. It feels really natural and vibrates the whole phone. Almost better than the one on the Samsung devices.
The LCD display is actually decent. I don't know what everyone complains about, the device would have cost nearly twice as much with a 4.3 inch SAMOLED like everyone wants, no one has a 4.3 inch AMOLED or SAMOLED so give it a rest people! The display could be brighter in my opinion though.
The sound quality for phone call is the best I had so far, but put it on speaker phone and it's the worst I've heard.
Pocket IE is very fast faster than the Android 2.2 default browser. But the render is kind of weird as they seem to not have have anti aliasing on text when completely zoomed out so it looks horrible sometimes. Over all the browser is good.
Windows 7 in a nutshell
I love it and hate it.
I love: the messaging app, the overall interface, the idea for hubs, the xbox live integration, the live tiles, the lock screen, the Email Hub (beautifu and extremely functional), the picture and video Hub (beautiful and functional) the entire OS is extremely responsive and cohesive.
I hate: Some hubs won't load (and requires a soft reset) less than 5% of the time, Some apps have the tendency to crash (more time than I'm comfortable with) bot 3rd party and built in apps, I hate that the video recorder will not retain settings.
And I ABSOLUTELY HATE when searching for apps you get music result as well; example: if you search in Market Place for "Notes" you'll get some applications like "Voice Notes" and "Light Notes" but you'll also have albums and play lists mixed in like "Notes from the Past" and "Best of the 70s - Play list" WTF!! at the very least they could have grouped them by type "Albums" "Applications" "Play List". Instead they mix them all up randomly so you'll have to search an entire list of music albums so you won't potentially miss a very good app all the way at the bottom. W T F !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I give the device a 7/10
-Frankie

MHO.
HD7 -> compared to other HTC devices -> significant de-evolution.
HD7 -> compared to other devices same class -> not possible.
WM7, "satisfactory" start with possibility to improve fast.
HD7, terrible hardware choice and cant improve anything.
4/10
K

Thanks Dotcomp for the poll ,now thread is sticky....guys be nice,i'll check this thread and i won't see any flame around and in case post and quotes with flame will be deleted.
Thanks all for cooperation.

I rate it a 4/10. Pretty much subpar. I think there is a distinct difference between a fresh new look and quality.
For someone who is new to and Microsoft mobile OS dating back to the Offline pocket Pc's like me then this OS looks half baked.
For someone new to the MS OS then this OS is great with it's flashy graphics and smooth transitions. However there are just too many things that the girst Pocket Pc phone Edition had out the door that this OS lacks. Yes! I'm sure they'll be rectified down the line.
Now I need to make it clear before all the flaming kicks in; I definitely believe in the OS and it's future. There's a lot to come down the line. Heck! Great apps are coming out all the time. i just found FIM in the marketplace this morning.
However; as the saying goes. Call a spade a spade. Windows Phone 7 compared to Windows Mobile 3 or 2 or just plain PPC is subpar.

PROS:
Solid design on the hardware side.
Like the classy look of the hardware
The OS is very polished
Software keyboard works well and the screen size helps.
OS is snappy for anything native.
touch sensitivity is best I have ever seen. Most responsive OS i have ever used.
ZUNE /media capabilities and netflix are all a welcome +
CONS:
Very slow 3rd party apps.
Have to be reloaded every time they launch and takes for ever to just
check simple information like facebook or twitter or local movie times
no multi-tasking is sometimes bothersome as well as the omission of cut/copy/paste
Horrible browser who's acid test is only 5/100
no flash ( not really a deal breaker but just thought i would throw it out their)
no many apps available yet and when they are i think they dont work as optimized/or efficient as they should. (yes i know its early still)
on the hardware side the camera has a pink hue when i use the flash rendering the flash useless basically
cheap shiny metal material which was already chipping and i had only used the handset a week.
All in all I think MS did a great job redirecting the failing division they had
now i believe its time they bring the browser up to speed while adding a lot of industry standard features they need to catch up on. Great inial release and starting point for their revolution. I didnt think they had it in them. By next fall I expect them to be on par with most on the industry in terms of missing features and I think WP& is a great alternative to anything out their while bringing a totally different experience to the market with its unique minimal look. I am a die hard android fanboy but would not mind sticking it out with a WP7 device when 3rd party apps function properly. with that being said I give MS an A-

I like the phone and Microsoft.... but it needs to work just as good if not better than the iPhone 3GS that I had. I like that I can change the battery that is definately better than iPhone. And the microSD card is better too but it needs to be accessible as well. Not behind a cover and 10 screws. I know that is really for system memory, but then there should be a seperate slot for another SD card. I still like to take pictures or create/save documents and take the card and transfer to another computer or phone. Where is that SIM Manager too?? You had it before but now it's not a feature. And please please make the volume much much higher. Even the "speaker phone" volume is way too low.
All in all this phone and OS has lot's of potential. I like the "cloud" concept but as it stands today, my previous iPhone beats this handset. Please HTC and Microsoft... don't make me go back to Apple.... please !

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Hi all, I tell them that I decided to change my htc htc hd2 and then my desire for the new hd7, I love the speed with which I access the most important things in fast, but I feel some omissions such as: When you dial keypad Phone numerical prediction can not find the contacts, I have no possibility of a browser like igo gps, garmin, etc. And as already mentioned missing file browser. If anyone knows how to put the prediction of contacts or a good gps software please send an email to this fledgling community in windows phone 7.

poor battery life.
poor screen.
poor camera.
great OS just needs a few more features. And I know they are coming.
Come on HTC I know you have better cameras and screens,What were you thinking?
Why not have a higher capacity battery as well?

After two weeks Im going to return my phone. I cant really pinpoint one thing why I dont like it, but I miss using Android. I know Ive gotten beat up about this before but If you have a cell phone number listed in the home field of the contact, they arent searchable in "Messaging" . I understand how everyone feels about that but my argument is the person is listed in the contacts so the information is there, but it wont even display the persons name when searched. Fixable but "to me" annoying. I also dont like that the tiles on the home screen are basically all the same color. For me It makes glancing at the screen difficult to quickly search the tile Im looking for.
Battery life is terrible and makes the phone unusable for media if you are also relying on it all day long for other stuff.
Volume is way to low.
Not having LED notifications for SMS and Email is just insane. All day long I have to turn the phone on and off to see if I missed something. Just stupid.
Its beautiful and runs great but there just isnt a reason to switch to it if you have used any other modern smartphone.
Just my two cents.

The Marketplace really needs a dedicated app search area. As it is, you put in a search term for an app and it brings up music results as well. Sort of annoying searching for the Twitter app and having a bunch of mixtapes and singles mixed in with the apps.
Maybe it's there and I'm missing it?

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The Marketplace really needs a dedicated app search area. As it is, you put in a search term for an app and it brings up music results as well. Sort of annoying searching for the Twitter app and having a bunch of mixtapes and singles mixed in with the apps.
Maybe it's there and I'm missing it?
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I find this EXTREMELY ANNOYING too!!!!!

One good thing I would like to add to the positives is the maps app. To me its the best Ive ever used.

For a Tegra 3 based tablet the Camera App performance is garbage.

Now, lets just forget the fact that this is a flagship Nexus device for Google, who have top engineers and programers working day and night on the Nexus 7. Some how they deliberately left out a camera app. Now I won't even go into the quality because at 1.3 Megapixels its good enough for Skype. And thats it. Myself like the rest of you had to download, the Top rated camera App from the Google Play store from MoDaCo, just type Nexus 7 into Google Play its the 4 result down. The App is a disaster, For a Tegra 3 based device, its does not even give you $199 iPod Touch Facetime results. Ok maybe thats not a fair comparison. But it draws me into me second point, the fact that Google deliberately said NO Camera App for you. Its unlikely they are even going to develop a decent camera App. Which has huge underpinnings. Unlike any other device, most of my friends and co-workers have a Nexus 7 already. We would like to have some type of real Camera App that works at something higher than 10 frames per second. Google is unlikley to give us any kind of Facetime Like App for the Nexus 7 which is disasterous failure. When a single core CPU iPod Touch is delivering a better experience (camera wise and App wise) to the end user. I know leave it up to the Developers ! developers are the answer like Fring which is also super choppy . Really you sound like Steve Ballmer at this point. How hard would have been for Google to add in a Camera App running smoothly with tons of Fun, Effects and Layers that you could essentially Facetime Videochat with friends. The fact that Google is against this makes me think they have already given up on the Nexus 7. Because any 3rd party App is not going to be universally adopted, like A Camera App baked into the device out of the box. Would the Nexus 7 been an even bigger success, its hard to ridicule a success however it is something the Nexus 7 needs. Not 3rd party poorly done camera Apps that look choppy and running on a single core CPU which is struggling to keep up. I know Google Talk is there but everyone I have shown are like WTF! Why name a Video Chat feature as "TALK" most did not know it was even there or an option. It does not even work on the Nexus 7 at least for Video Chat purposes. Does anyone know if Google has hinted or said they will developing a Camera App for the Nexus 7 and a fix for Google Talk ?
rant over its frustrating

The way i see it, there really isnt a need for a camera app. its a front facing low mp camera, so your not going to take pictures of your vacation or go sightseeing with it... you have your phone or actual camera for that.. beside how will you hold the tablet when trying to take a picture with out yourself in the shot? hold it backwards? now you just look silly and your picture still looks like crap.
then you might say "What about taking pictures of my self?" well instagram, facebook, and i think google+ (not really sure about G+, just assumeing so) have a camera app built in that works well with the N7 camera.
sooo not sure what your looking for :silly:

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Now, lets just forget the fact that this is a flagship Nexus device for Google, who have top engineers and programers working day and night on the Nexus 7. Some how they deliberately left out a camera app. Now I won't even go into the quality because at 1.3 Megapixels its good enough for Skype. And thats it. Myself like the rest of you had to download, the Top rated camera App from the Google Play store from MoDaCo, just type Nexus 7 into Google Play its the 4 result down. The App is a disaster, For a Tegra 3 based device, its does not even give you $199 iPod Touch Facetime results. Ok maybe thats not a fair comparison. But it draws me into me second point, the fact that Google deliberately said NO Camera App for you. Its unlikely they are even going to develop a decent camera App. Which has huge underpinnings. Unlike any other device, most of my friends and co-workers have a Nexus 7 already. We would like to have some type of real Camera App that works at something higher than 10 frames per second. Google is unlikley to give us any kind of Facetime Like App for the Nexus 7 which is disasterous failure. When a single core CPU iPod Touch is delivering a better experience (camera wise and App wise) to the end user. I know leave it up to the Developers ! developers are the answer like Fring which is also super choppy . Really you sound like Steve Ballmer at this point. How hard would have been for Google to add in a Camera App running smoothly with tons of Fun, Effects and Layers that you could essentially Facetime Videochat with friends. The fact that Google is against this makes me think they have already given up on the Nexus 7. Because any 3rd party App is not going to be universally adopted, like A Camera App baked into the device out of the box. Would the Nexus 7 been an even bigger success, its hard to ridicule a success however it is something the Nexus 7 needs. Not 3rd party poorly done camera Apps that look choppy and running on a single core CPU which is struggling to keep up. I know Google Talk is there but everyone I have shown are like WTF! Why name a Video Chat feature as "TALK" most did not know it was even there or an option. It does not even work on the Nexus 7 at least for Video Chat purposes. Does anyone know if Google has hinted or said they will developing a Camera App for the Nexus 7 and a fix for Google Talk ?
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Face time is apple.
Google+ hangouts is Google.
Sorry you didn't know. Its hard to be mad at Google for your lack of knowledge.
A camera app with weird facial features? Cool? For 5 mins. I tried it on my iPad once. Literally. Then got annoyed when everyone was uploading pics to fb of their fat/stretched/skinny/alien faces.
Again, this isn't apple. I'm sure an app will pop up eventually, some day
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This tablet is all about promoting Google's content and services. It's very well built and pretty much given away. Most people don't find a high quality camera necessary in a tablet, so this has no rear camera.
It came with no camera app, because the front camera really isn't intended for photography. It's there so you can take advantage of Google Hangouts, which I assume the quality should be good enough for that (haven't tried myself).
My only complaint about the camera is that it really should be angled down slightly. You have to hold the tablet very awkwardly to get the camera to center on your face.

Quite honestly, I really don't think of the front camera. The camera quality and speed shouldn't really be a con, what were you expecting for $200? It has a Tegra 3 and a IPS Display, which cost over $100 alone.

Learn something new everyday, a tegra 3 is camera hardware. Also the commercial s shoeing face time are no where near the quality in real life
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Wow you are horribly misinformed.
Firstly, the words "flagship" and "Nexus" don't correlate to meaning the same thing. This way of thinking represents a terrible misinterpretation of what the Nexus program actually is.
Secondly, you have to realize that the Nexus 7 tablet is aimed squarely at the cheaper end of the tablet market. Google set out to introduce a 200 dollar quad-core tablet, and they succeeded. To do this, cuts in other areas needed to be made. One of these areas is the cheaper sensor in the front-facing camera, and the lack of a rear camera. Now, I myself feel that the front camera is perfectly acceptable for video chatting in G+ hangouts (its intended feature, and the one feature of the camera that is touted prominently in the features list). If you wanted a tablet that could take amazing pictures of yourself or other things, you bought the wrong tablet.
And by the way, just for sake of clarity...Google did not strip the camera apk from the Nexus 7. They simply did not give you a shortcut for it. This is all MoDaCo's app in the Play Store does...unlocks the shortcut for the camera software and places it into your app tray. That's it.
At the end of the day, this is a 200 dollar tablet.

Wow! :banghead:
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Such a poor misinformed person. Please let your friends know that you can video chat in high quality using Google Talk and Google+, both on the device by default.
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And also, you said Google Talk doesn't work? Is this a troll post?
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I have a handful of tablets, including an iPad1 and iPad2. I can honestly say that I probably never had the need to take a picture with any of them. Cell phones have higher quality cameras and are much more portable/accessible. The FFC on the Nexus 7 is intended to be used specifically for video chatting which you can use either Google+ or Google Talk. A camera app wasn't included because any video chat service you use is all you need.
The reference to Google Talk is a stupid video chat service name, well, you have to imagine that Google Talk was around LONG before video service. Video conferencing wasn't originally its main function (and still isn't). It is a chat service app that simply support video.
Video Chatting is great but not useful on a day to day basis. The back camera is a useless tool for a tablet.

I guess this is dumb, but I see nothing called "google talk" on mine. So it's better to tell them to look for "talk"
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Such a poor misinformed person. Please let your friends know that you can video chat in high quality using Google Talk and Google+, both on the device by default.
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Stop with the whole camera drama in this forum already. Most consumers don't need one since they have point and shoots or a smartphone. It's a non-issue that everyone should put to rest. And this thread is also a troll thread as well since he keeps mentioning face time which is an Apple product.
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who really needs a camera an a tablet? I'm glad they left it out. The front facing camera works just fine with Skype.
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Who the hell takes pictures with a tablet anyway? You'd look ridiculous and frankly, I'd probably run up and kick you in the nuts if I saw you trying to do it (figuratively speaking, of course). Quit your damn *****ing already, it got real old real quick.
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JD914 said:
who really needs a camera an a tablet? I'm glad they left it out. The front facing camera works just fine with Skype.
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This. People taking pictures and videos with iPads and other tablets look like douchbags anyway.
I have the One X to take pictures if need be.

NJGSII said:
This. People taking pictures and videos with iPads and other tablets look like douchbags anyway.
I have the One X to take pictures if need be.
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Now that you mentioned it there seems a direct correlation between people who use tablets to take pictures and people who make camera troll threads.

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CharliesTheMan said:
Now that you mentioned it there seems a direct correlation between people who use tablets to take pictures and people who make camera troll threads.
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I appreciate all the response, I wanted to be clear on somethings which many focused on, I am not complaining about the camera Megapixel quality itself. Or what do I expect from a $200 tablet. Its the fact that, Google does not want the majority of people video chatting. When the devices is perfectly capable of this more so than a simple iPod Touch. Facetime has become, a verb now, and Android needs a response. Why Google is deliberately blowing an opportunity, is not by mistake. On Campus at work everywhere, almost overnight I see as many Nexus 7's as iPad's. Not many people want to risk a $600 iPad but a $200 tablet is a take everywhere thing. Even places not in class where you dont need an iPad the Nexus 7 is there. But Google does not want you to embrace Facetime like Apple has given people the opportunity to. Probably why the video chat feature is hidden away in a program called TALK. Anyways in response to MMcCraryNJ who says MoDaCo just links to the Camera apk, its not stripped this is even worse. I thought the camera was just a poorly developed 3rd party Ap. And lets not even care about the Visual quality, Have the CPU and GPU help out theres no reason. Its should run so choppy. And if they don't want people using which is why they left out the Icon for a $200 tablet why include one ? If the sensor is so bad, no matter what its gonna deliver what feels like 10 frames a second choppyness. I can't post links yet but just add whats missing to the begining, the Nexus 7 would be a perfect Mom and Pop device for FaceTime (I know FaceTIme is Apple but Android needs a catchier name) or for GrandDads or Grandmas who are not ready for a Smartphone or want to spend $500 on an iPAd. Its the perfect demographic, and yet Google does not want you doing this especially on a perfect devices for it. And it would not cost them extra or 5 cents more per sensor, its software thats not working right, and that they don't want to make user friendly.
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I can just imagine similar Nexus 7 adds would be a hit.

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The Tab S 10.5 is simply THE BEST Internet consumption device available...

When you look at size, weight, build quality, speed, screen and price you cannot find a better Internet consumption device available today than the Tab S 10.5.
For what it is it is the best there is.

i'm getting one next month
mitchellvii said:
When you look at size, weight, build quality, speed, screen and price you cannot find a better Internet consumption device available today than the Tab S 10.5.
For what it is it is the best there is.
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just wish Amazon weren't pushing their Fire tablets so hard, then we could have Amazon Instant Video as well
not sure if the flash/dolphin hack still works but for those of us in EU, silverlight only
this could the start of premium android tablets driving apps designed for that screen real estate
can only be a good thing for the sector in general

orangespoon said:
we could have Amazon Instant Video as well
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I use PlayOn (not free) for AIV and the rest (Hulu, HBOGO, TBS, Netflix, etc.). It uses the stock video player which works in multi view and pop-up-play. The stock player has lots of other features too like resizing, display settings, audio settings, and onscreen controls. So far, across the Notes, Pros, and S', the stock browser is the most responsive. I don't want to screw around with multiple browsers and Flash just to watch AIV. YMMV.
I like to watch mind numbing sitcoms while doing work on my tablet so view them in a pop-up-play window at the same time. Here's How I Met Your Mother on AIV...

Speaking of the stock browser. Any idea how we get it to sink with our Chrome Bookmarks? It used to do that but seems like it no longer does. How do I import my bookmarks?
I like Dolphin for one reason. Like the swipe bookmark sidebar that no one else has. Maxthon is also outstanding for easy bookmark navigation.

mitchellvii said:
When you look at size, weight, build quality, speed, screen and price you cannot find a better Internet consumption device available today than the Tab S 10.5.
For what it is it is the best there is.
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Sony's tablet is pretty sweet too.

mitchellvii said:
Any idea how we get it to sink with our Chrome Bookmarks?
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It went away when Google forked WebKit. You can sink your (Samsung) devices via your Samsung account though.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/03/go...ine-that-will-soon-power-chrome-and-chromeos/

I wouldn't sink this tablet. It isn't water resistant... I kid I kid...
psst sync
*this was probably the result of google voice dictation so please don't take it as serious criticism. Just me being bored.

HughesNet said:
Sony's tablet is pretty sweet too.
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Well its not super amoled and has lower resolution. If neither of those appeal to you then yeah, it's not bad.

The only think about the stock browser, that bugs me to no end is, the fact you can keep "desktop view" on, at all times. I have too constantly select it for every website. They made a huge error, in that regard.

HughesNet said:
I wouldn't sink this tablet. It isn't water resistant... I kid I kid...
psst sync
*this was probably the result of google voice dictation so please don't take it as serious criticism. Just me being bored.
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If only auto-correct checked grahamer.

If you want a fast good looking browser that syncs bookmarks nicely over the cloud try Maxthon HD for Tablets. Very nice. One feature I really like is the ability to instantly go back to the prior page without reloading it from the web. It also does prefetch well. Pages seem to load very quickly.

I just got mine today... am extremely impressed with it so far. Very lightweight and good quality, screen is stunning, very fast so far as well. Now ive only just about set it up and haven't really done much yet so this will get a update later. all ive done is update all the apps, took a look at Galaxy Gifts and Essentials, and setup a few differents apps on it.

true but...
mitchellvii said:
Well its not super amoled and has lower resolution. If neither of those appeal to you then yeah, it's not bad.
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Sony's skin/bloat-ware isn't as bad as Samsung and avoids having tro root and mess with ROMs etc
still undecided between Z2 and Tab S

orangespoon said:
Sony's skin/bloat-ware isn't as bad as Samsung and avoids having tro root and mess with ROMs etc
still undecided between Z2 and Tab S
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Nothing a decent debloating or rom can't solve. This Tab S 10.5 is pure ocular joy. Every day I am amazed by the extreme resolution, deep blacks and vibrant colors. The only reason I can see for going with the Sony is if you plan to use the tablet in the tub ☺.

thanks, sounds interesting...
BarryH_GEG said:
I use PlayOn (not free) for AIV and the rest (Hulu, HBOGO, TBS, Netflix, etc.). It uses the stock video player which works in multi view and pop-up-play. The stock player has lots of other features too like resizing, display settings, audio settings, and onscreen controls. So far, across the Notes, Pros, and S', the stock browser is the most responsive. I don't want to screw around with multiple browsers and Flash just to watch AIV. YMMV.
I like to watch mind numbing sitcoms while doing work on my tablet so view them in a pop-up-play window at the same time. Here's How I Met Your Mother on AIV...]
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I have used Plex a lot as well but I prefer a simple solution and not having another server on all the time
looks like i may be ripping my BluRay collection and sticking them on an SD card

orangespoon said:
Sony's skin/bloat-ware isn't as bad as Samsung and avoids having tro root and mess with ROMs etc
still undecided between Z2 and Tab S
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I'm not pro or anti Sony. But their bezels are just huge on all their devices. The Z2 tablet being waterproof is its only advantage over Samsung's tablets. You get a 1/2 larger display on the S in a smaller footprint. Until I see posts like yours I forget Sony even makes tablets.

yes but...
BarryH_GEG said:
I'm not pro or anti Sony. But their bezels are just huge on all their devices. The Z2 tablet being waterproof is its only advantage over Samsung's tablets. You get a 1/2 larger display on the S in a smaller footprint. Until I see posts like yours I forget Sony even makes tablets.
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everyone has their own requirements
we have a 2.5 year old in the house and larger bezels would be useful

Sadly I'm returning mine today. I was so caught up in media consumption with the screen I neglected the web browsing experience which is less than subpar imo. My Asus tf700t did a better job web browsing and that was a piece of **** for lack of a better term. I'm loving the screen and battery life but I've tried all the tricks to get chrome running smoothly and it just suffers. Other web browsers aren't any better either so so long my love, I enjoyed the pleasure while it lasted :crying:

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My Asus tf700t did a better job web browsing
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If the N10.1-14 on 4.3 was faster than the TF-701 on 4.4 there's something amiss. AnandTech's Sunspider scores for the 8.4/10.5 were 1,082/1,015. That's pretty poor considering they and the N10.1-14 share h/w. Hopefully updates will improve things. As for Chrome, for whatever reason, it's a slug on all Samsung's high-end tablets and has been widely discussed on all their forums.

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Sadly I'm returning mine today. I was so caught up in media consumption with the screen I neglected the web browsing experience which is less than subpar imo. My Asus tf700t did a better job web browsing and that was a piece of **** for lack of a better term. I'm loving the screen and battery life but I've tried all the tricks to get chrome running smoothly and it just suffers. Other web browsers aren't any better either so so long my love, I enjoyed the pleasure while it lasted :crying:
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Did you try Maxthon HD Tablet browser? It is amazingly fast and full featured. Regardless for me Chrome ran perfectly albeit I don't care for how it handles bookmarks so I switched to Maxthon. Nevertheless, lag was never a problem and Web pages always looked great and loaded fast.
When I hear these reports of terrible responsiveness in something as basic as Web browsing I have to wonder if you have a defective unit or some sort of software causing a resource conflict. Are you still using Touchwiz? Did you try another launcher such as Nova or GO? There is simply no way a tablet with this level of hardware should struggle at Web browsing at all.

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twistedumbrella said:
So two huge improvement could be made to truly capture the VR effect and reduce the need for everyone to have a 128 GB card:
Add a passthrough camera mode.
Support streaming video locally.
Yes, MilkVR lets you load videos, but it is boring. Adding the functionality to Cinema would allow you to enjoy all those little touches.
Passthrough should be obvious. Instead of void theater, you could watch a projection TV in your room without buying a projection TV and not get startled when the cat jumps on you just as something happens in the movie.
The Cinema app is open source, so the only question is whether it would be worthwhile to patch in the features.
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Those are some great ideas, and I'm definitely thinking we're going to see apps that offer these features when the paid appstore launches. Would also like to add more controls for placement relative to the screen and experience (some of the cardboard apps have more control/exeriences than the oculus cinema app).

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Those are some great ideas, and I'm definitely thinking we're going to see apps that offer these features when the paid appstore launches. Would also like to add more controls for placement relative to the screen and experience (some of the cardboard apps have more control/exeriences than the oculus cinema app).
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I have gotten the impression some developer used the paid store as a scapegoat and it's spiraled into an excuse for most. It's not the user's fault for accepting it, since it sounds logical. The only reason I don't buy into it is how little advertising is being done for upcoming paid apps. It would be one thing to say Blockbuster is waiting for it, but Johnny Noname needs all the preemptive marketing he can rally.
The cardboard apps aren't so different in the design. It's the SDK that does all that fancy latency stuff. I'll have to dig around and see if any are interested in converting.

16:9 Apps

Hi everybody. I'm very interested in buying this tablet, but I have read some reviews on Amazon where users say some 16:9 apps don't work because of this 4.£ screen.
I'm also a huge gamer, so can someone tell me if it's true and if you tried these 3 apps:
Springfield tapped out
- Blood brothers
- clash of clans.
I don't want to buy this tablet and then discover that I can't use my favourite apps/games

There's a simple solution, you simply use an app like rotation lite to force all apps to portrait mode.
It's what I do to force portrait apps to landscape on my S.

There's only one app (game) that I've had an issue with. Every other app I've used has adjusted to the correct resolution. The game is Wild Blood which I bought yesterday on sale for a buck or two and it reminds me of when I used to live in a Medieval Castle and slice fools up for fun and sport... ... ...decent game, just a "now and then" type thing. Anyway, it's really unplayable on the S2. Even the text and everything is centered down and to the right, and oddly when the gameplay starts the top half of the screen is entirely blank.
That is, however, the first and only time I've ever seen anything like that. Every other app/game I've used (many of which I also had on my Note 4) resizes perfectly. I am kind of curious about other Gameloft games though, because I deleted all of them when the permissions started getting out of control (I think it was Gangstar Vegas requesting "microphone" (???) that prompted that).
IMO the resolution isn't a problem or anything to worry about. If you have a decent phone and ever come across something where it's an issue then you're covered anyway. There are plenty of excellent games that are ideal for the tablet.

asusgarb said:
Hi everybody. I'm very interested in buying this tablet, but I have read some reviews on Amazon where users say some 16:9 apps don't work because of this 4.£ screen.
I'm also a huge gamer, so can someone tell me if it's true and if you tried these 3 apps:
Springfield tapped out
- Blood brothers
- clash of clans.
I don't want to buy this tablet and then discover that I can't use my favourite apps/games
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There is a slight glitch with Tapped Out at the moment, that it over-zooms slightly on some of the fixed screens. On the main screen it starts a bit more zoomed than normal, but you can zoom out by pinching. But screens like the friend town screen (the one with three Springfields side by side) are zoomed so that the left and right hand ones are half cut-off (but still selectable).
It's cosmetic (the game is still fully playable, indeed aside from the above it runs very sweetly on my S2 T710) and EA have been made aware of it via their forums. As yet it hasn't been resolved, but it's not a showstopper by any means.