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[Q] Apps Running by Themselves

Hey folks,
I understand that Android keeps apps in available ram and frees them up as needed, but what I don't understand is how come when I run adv. task killer, there are always apps running that I never loaded (like social hub, email, etc.).
Does the galaxy s load up particular apps based on previous usage history or something?

shadoslayer said:
and frees them up as needed,
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that was the original idea, but in reality it doesn't work that way
chances are you run out of RAM before it frees up anything if at all
the only certain way is to use AutoRunKillers apps and Task Managers apps to keep the software under control

I agree with AllGamer. Yes its supposed to load and unload tasks and services as it needs and thinks it needs but as AllGamer pointed out it doesn't work so well.
The best thing ive found so far and i'm sure it was AllGamer who put me on to this in his recommended apps list, is to use Autokiller Memory Optimizer. You will need to be rooted though, the program tweaks how the already built in task manager works in android. Ive set mine to moderate in the presets of the program, been running it for about a week and its been absolutely great.
The main thing to remember with good task managers and android is that you are not trying to 'free up ram' but to use it more effectively

[q] best autorun task killer

Please tell my which is best software that stops applications to run automatically at startup
tell me the application which works

no one is using any app. to stop unnecessary start up of tasks

try autostarts its very good
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Ditto on Autostarts. Also, Autokiller Memory Optimzer works really well, it doesn't kill tasks itself, it tweaks the Android function thar does it to work better.

auto killer mem optimizer workd well for me.but now i simply don use any of those batt saving app,mem apps etc i jus kill apps in inbuilt task killer...iam using my phone to the peek cause at the end ill b getting a 2ghz dual core by selling sgs.......cant stick to old things lol........cheeerz

tarunagg said:
Please tell my which is best software that stops applications to run automatically at startup
tell me the application which works
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... what?
Do any of you even understand how Android works?

so mind sharing ur exp wiv us on how it works???

manosv said:
try autostarts its very good
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+1 Autostarts. It amazes me what runs on the phone after start-up, after you switch states or update apps. The perfect cure for batt draining nonsense

rocky23 said:
so mind sharing ur exp wiv us on how it works???
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Google it. Android is Linux based. Its memory management is not the same as Windows. I'd explain further, but you're the 4,753,857,195 person to ask.

I spent 10s and googled it for you. Here's a quick link that explains it in simple terms.
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Basically having applications in RAM is a GOOD thing. Constantly killing them is likely to WORSEN PERFORMANCE AND BATTERY LIFE.

Shanakin said:
I spent 10s and googled it for you. Here's a quick link that explains it in simple terms.
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Basically having applications in RAM is a GOOD thing. Constantly killing them is likely to WORSEN PERFORMANCE AND BATTERY LIFE.
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That's right. On the other hand - permitting almost every app to load at startup isn't the best approach, as you will soon run out of memory - therefore using apps like autostart makes sense imho. But constantly killing everything isn't the right approach either. Android removes "old" apps automatically.
Bottom line:
- just letting those apps load at startup, which you use on regular basis, is fine
- using a "ram tweaker", auto-kill app, etc. is not
Kind regards,
ww

webwude said:
That's right. On the other hand - permitting almost every app to load at startup isn't the best approach, as you will soon run out of memory - therefore using apps like autostart makes sense imho. But constantly killing everything isn't the right approach either. Android removes "old" apps automatically.
Bottom line:
- just letting those apps load at startup, which you use on regular basis, is fine
- using a "ram tweaker", auto-kill app, etc. is not
Kind regards,
ww
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And when you run out of memory, Android will free memory by automatically killing cached (unused) apps. Therefore, I don't see the point of stopping apps from running at start--unless they're actually doing something in the background and not letting your phone sleep.
RAM tweaks (or memory management), on the other hand, is the only thing I use. I adjust OOM settings to adjust which apps Android closes to free memory, as well as how much free RAM Android should keep open in various situations.

upichie said:
And when you run out of memory, Android will free memory by automatically killing cached (unused) apps. Therefore, I don't see the point of stopping apps from running at start--unless they're actually doing something in the background and not letting your phone sleep.
RAM tweaks (or memory management), on the other hand, is the only thing I use. I adjust OOM settings to adjust which apps Android closes to free memory, as well as how much free RAM Android should keep open in various situations.
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Well actually I don't see the point that an app, that I hardly use once per month should be loaded everytime I start the phone or change my internet connection. Also more apps at startup increase the time when the phone is available...
But on the other hand, you are certainly right, after a while, only the latest apps are still in background / memory. What I have recognized nevertheless: if you use a lot of apps with push functionality and load on startup, the phone runs out of memory...
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ww

RAM is mostly over 600 MB even when i am not using

Hi People
My GNote has 1GB of RAM and when i am not using it it still shows only 300 to 200 MB of RAM left, i am using ES task Manager, i have checked the running applications but nothing seems to eat all that RAM..
I do have games installed but i make sure to close them after finish playing them.
Secondly when i uninstall a Game, what happens to the data it downloaded to internet and if that data is not deleted by uninstalling how to delete it?
Thanks for you help

ram
humadoon said:
Hi People
My GNote has 1GB of RAM and when i am not using it it still shows only 300 to 200 MB of RAM left, i am using ES task Manager, i have checked the running applications but nothing seems to eat all that RAM..
I do have games installed but i make sure to close them after finish playing them.
Secondly when i uninstall a Game, what happens to the data it downloaded to internet and if that data is not deleted by uninstalling how to delete it?
Thanks for you help
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Wouldnt worry bout the ram, 300 is prob an average of what people have left after filling up with apps, also you should remember, lots of the stock apps are running and restarting most of the time which eats ram
I use Task killer pro, good way to set it on autokill and let it kill those unwanted apps that are running.
Another way is download a startup manager and audit what you want to run and not to run when your phone boots, you will need to be rooted to do that.
The phone has a built in task manager, long pressing the home button or look in ur apps, there is a task killer of sorts built in to free up mem, or u could root and install cassies extralight rom, that way you have a basic system with all the crap taken out.
When you uninstall an app, always be sure to click the cache clear and stop button before uninstalling but generally when it uninstalls it only leaves fragments behind, nothing major.
You still have 2 to 300 meg of ram, its nothing to worry about, most phones dont even have that left after installing apps so try not to worry, just be sure to clear ya memory every now and then.

Thanks i am little worried to root the device yet as i only had it for a month.
I installed games such as internal legacy and back stab but after uninstalling them still my phone had the data in the gameloft folder which i had to manually delete...
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humadoon said:
Thanks i am little worried to root the device yet as i only had it for a month.
I installed games such as internal legacy and back stab but after uninstalling them still my phone had the data in the gameloft folder which i had to manually delete...
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Dont worry bout rooting, just use the initial root flasher and the matching cfroot kernel found here in the same link, it gives full easy instruction and includes an root uninstaller in case you need to take it off, dont even need to use the cfroot if ya dont want too.
Rootings not that big a deal, easy to dispose of in case of return and the guides here on XDA are the best ones ya could use, its all solid stable advice.

graemeg said:
Dont worry bout rooting, just use the initial root flasher and the matching cfroot kernel found here in the same link, it gives full easy instruction and includes an root uninstaller in case you need to take it off, dont even need to use the cfroot if ya dont want too.
Rootings not that big a deal, easy to dispose of in case of return and the guides here on XDA are the best ones ya could use, its all solid stable advice.
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thanks mate you have been a great help ..bless you

just hit clear memory under ram in task manager to free from time to time.

Its pointless clearing your ram, your phone will run smoother if most of your most used apps are ready for loading in ram. If you clear you ram all the time, when you load Apps they have to load from storage instead which takes longer and takes more CPU usage.

Alexanderbooth said:
Its pointless clearing your ram, your phone will run smoother if most of your most used apps are ready for loading in ram. If you clear you ram all the time, when you load Apps they have to load from storage instead which takes longer and takes more CPU usage.
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good point, though some apps like the ones from stock doesn't let you uninstall them (eg. Social Hub, Samsung Apps)

Having a rooted device, you can use
Nitrality (free) or
Titanium Backup
to remove unwanted system applications.
You have to learn how to do a Nandroid backup first before you start uninstalling system apps. But.. if you really just stick to rooting and uninstalling KiesCrap etc. you'd still be fine.

once you install root then u can use titanium backup to remove all the unwanted apps

How to stop "running" and "cashed processes"?

I know that android is very good at handling background processes and ram but I have so many apps that I don't use at all. They consume big amount of ram and for instance, sometimes browser loads pages again when I get back to it from another app. I assume this is because of ram. So I guess, if I can shut down some running apps in the background, available ram would be more.
I can see them at settings-apps-running(or cached processes).
For example, right now in "running" section I have 9 processes and 3 of them are poweramp, awesome beats, accuweather.com and in "cached processes" I have 10 processes and 6 of them are beautiful widgets,calendar storage,google account manager, google search, calendar, google play store. Other processes are system services that I have no problem with. When I go to developer settings-background process limit and block them, there are no cached processes anymore but that probably has a side effect. I wish I could choose which apps I want in the background.
I can shut down these apps manually but every time I restart the phone, they are there again. How can I stop them?

if you rooted, you can use Autostarts or ROM toolbox from the playstore. it can change the receivers of the apps not to start at boot

CooLasFcuK said:
I know that android is very good at handling background processes and ram but I have so many apps that I don't use at all. They consume big amount of ram and for instance, sometimes browser loads pages again when I get back to it from another app. I assume this is because of ram. So I guess, if I can shut down some running apps in the background, available ram would be more.
I can see them at settings-apps-running(or cached processes).
For example, right now in "running" section I have 9 processes and 3 of them are poweramp, awesome beats, accuweather.com and in "cached processes" I have 10 processes and 6 of them are beautiful widgets,calendar storage,google account manager, google search, calendar, google play store. Other processes are system services that I have no problem with. When I go to developer settings-background process limit and block them, there are no cached processes anymore but that probably has a side effect. I wish I could choose which apps I want in the background.
I can shut down these apps manually but every time I restart the phone, they are there again. How can I stop them?
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The simple answer is that you don't need to stop them!
As you say, Android is already very good at keeping track of background processes, to the extent that if a new program needs more RAM, Android itself will kill a background process that hasn't been used for a while to free up RAM for the new program.
The Cached processes screen SHOULD be full of recently used programs; it shows that Android is doing what it is supposed to do and is shifting inactive processes out of active RAM in case you want to load it again, without completely dumping the process memory.
Now, as for the side effect you mentioned, that would be a significant hit on battery life. By holding programs in RAM as it is supposed to do, the OS can load the program quickly and cleanly and more efficiently by simply reading the RAM rather than reading flash, writing to RAM, then reading from RAM. The general mantra for UNIX based systems is that unused RAM is wasted RAM.
Another thing to note is that if you do not close tabs when switching active programs (including going to homescreen) then the Browser is designed to hold that tab in memory. Even if you close the Browser (excluding closing the tab specifically with the "little x"). Even if you reboot the damn phone, it will still load the tabs/pages you had open last. The pages are not held in memory as such, just what was open and what tab order, so if you do open the browser after a while, it will load the last page from scratch.
TL;DR version: The running and the cached processes will remain exactly where they are until a new program needs more RAM than is available, at which point Android will kill something to make room. You do not need to do this manually. It will cause more power drain by making very inefficient use of RAM/Flash memory. Empty RAM is wasted RAM.

whilst Chaos is right, I notice severe performance drops when ram is filled, despite Androids theoretical advantage. It doesnt work...
Best to prevent from loading altogheter.
Root, lose warranty, backup apps, uninstall or freeze apps so the bloatware is removed.
For others, change autostart settings in Romtoolbox. So they wont start on boot.
Search for safe stuff to delete. There are lists for that
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Or just dont install the apps that you dont really need.
Via GtN7000

LoVeRice said:
Or just dont install the apps that you dont really need.
Via GtN7000
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Lol, even then you might still need to remove bloatware lol
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Thanks so much for detailed answers.

Memory Management for CM

Hello,
I'm a little behind the times as I just installed cm 12.1 on my Nook HD+.
I'm running into available RAM problems with my Nook HD+.
First, I've tried reducing the number of apps that start at boot,
either through the Boot Manager app or by turning off "run at startup"
in the app's info. Boot Manager does not list all of my apps, and
turning off "run at startup" is not present as an option in many app info's.
Also, many apps seem to magically reclaim RAM after being shut down
by a task manager. I have a few questions.
What are the best apps available for boot management? Are there better ones
than Boot Manager?
Does the RAM reclaiming happen irregardless of the task killer?
What are the memory management "secrets" of Lollipop (or Marshmallow)?
Do I have to live with fewer apps on my Nook HD+?
Is there a good source that describes memory management for Android?
Thanks

You should never have to manually manage apps that are in RAM with Android. It does it automatically and efficiently. What makes you think there is a problem? The HD+ has 1GB of RAM and android keeps it automatically full so that apps can start quickly.
You might be confusing RAM with available storage space and with a 16GB device you can run out of storage space very quickly if you install many apps and a lot of media.
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Hello again,
NO, I am definitely talking about RAM. I've installed Advanced Task Manager
and it reports available memory. After boot, available RAM is approximately
150-250MB only. At 150MB apps start crashing. It's hard to keep the browser
running without a crash after a few minutes. Right now, to prevent trouble
I have to "boost" to get back over 200MB. After a minute in an app,
other apps have restarted and RAM drops from that 200MB quickly. I don't
like to boost so often. If you need the specific .zip I installed, I can post
that for everyone . I guess development of CM 12.1 has finished.

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