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http://www.rethink-wireless.com/2012/11/07/att-confirms-pricing-wp8-devices.html
... AT&T is going to be offering it (920) for just $99.99 on a two-year contract and is even willing to throw in a free wireless charging pad....
... Lumia 820 is still a decent piece of kit. And not surprisingly it's cheaper still than the 920 at $49.99....
... HTC's 8X is set to start at $99.99 for the 8GB version, going up to $199.99 for the model with 16GB of memory....
ok, I guess microsofts' explanation of surface pricing (too high) to make it not seem like a cheap product doesn't apply to subsidized phones through the carrier.
if we don't see microsoft bragging about "x million sold first weekend !!! weeee !!! " next week, we never will at these great prices.
AT&T is more than 70% iPhone.
They have no choice but to have aggressive pricing with this carrier. I wouldn't be surprised if these phones were free during the holidays.
Other news Office is confirmed for ios and Android.
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This is crazy. Seems like every other day something happens that make me change my mind. Initially i was going with the 920 the when i heard it was only coming out for ATT I changed to the 8x since it's on Verizon. ATT really sucks out here in Long Island and it doesn't offer LTE in my area while Verizon does. But the 920 at $99 is something that i can't ignore. Hopefully Verizon will come out with their pricing fairly soon.
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http://news.softpedia.com/news/Veri...dows-Phone-8X-Emerge-at-Best-Buy-305223.shtml
Apparently Best Buy already has the Verizon price for the 8x at $199 for the 16gb version. Now the question is, are these prices going to be better on black friday.
How much money do you guys think the nexus 5 would be? i would love a two year 16gb model for 200$.
I'm thinking $400 for the base model, off contract. They're not going to retain the same pricing as the N4 in all likelihood given those "leaked" specs.
hopefully.that would be a good deal for those specs
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How much money do you guys think the nexus 5 would be? i would love a two year 16gb model for 200$.
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Maybe one day UNICEF will get into the smartphone business...
But really $200 for the specs we have seen? That would be giving it away. Im guessing something like $349 for 16GB and $399 for 32GB.
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I am eagerly waiting for the release of N5, if the No - Contract price is 400$ or above then it is out of my reach.
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How much money do you guys think the nexus 5 would be? i would love a two year 16gb model for 200$.
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999.00
Hopefully no more than $350 USD...
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I'm thinking $400 for the base model, off contract. They're not going to retain the same pricing as the N4 in all likelihood given those "leaked" specs.
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Don't forget that a year ago the Nexus 4 specs were considered top of the line....
It really is the only bump they can go with the N5 otherwise they would just be repackaging the N4.
lets also guess how many people will get their hands on n5
I'll definitely fork out $349 or $399 for the 16GB or 32GB models respectively. Anything more than that, I might think twice.
But I'll still probably take it. Nexus S was my first android phone and I've never regretted my decision of getting that (even if I don't have it anymore since I lost it on my way to work)
But yes, take my money please :victory:
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like $349 for 16GB and $399 for 32GB.
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Sounds real
349/399 for the 16 and 32 gb respectively, 200 is just impossible, google is not a charity.
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I think the OP meant $200 on contract, which would be the absolute most it would cost on contract, and even that would be a ripoff. If it's $349-$399 off contract, then on contract it should be free.
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Why does everyone assume the pricing can't be the same as the N4 last year? The N4 was basically the Optimus G, which at the time was the best of the best, as far as specs go.
This time around, the N5 is basically the G2, which, again, currently has the highest specs on the market. The situation looks identical to me, and I see no reason the price should not be identical as well.
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-N...different-battery-size-for-each-model_id48068
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im so pumped because my mom has never used her upgrade so im gonna steal it the second the N5 is released on sprint and give her my lgog, which will probably be too much for her to even handle lol
"We are told by our source that the 16GB LG Nexus 5 will feature a 2300mAh battery and will be priced lock, stock and barrel for $299. The 32GB LG Nexus 5 will be powered by a 3000mAh cell and will be priced at $399."
I'm weary of anon tipsters. Hurry up and make an official announcement.
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if the 32gb really had the g2-battery, then thats the only version to go for! \m/
I seriously hope it`s gonna be priced like the N4
299$ / 349$ for 16GB/32GB or 8GB/16GB I dont really mind the Flash size as long as it`s cheap
Surely the 2 version of batteries cant be right as this would mean the dimensions would be different??
I wish this was the case but I cant see it myself.
Ill be getting it regardless, just had a tax rebate so nicely timed with the launch of the phone
Hey now,
As a citizen of a country called Belgium, i have found it very difficult to purchase the Nexus devices. I wonder what your experience has been on the previous nexus devices, and where you traveled to to get one. I myself went to Denmark to search over 4 different provider stores to finally get one without a contract.
Shealpi said:
Hey now,
As a citizen of a country called Belgium, i have found it very difficult to purchase the Nexus devices. I wonder what your experience has been on the previous nexus devices, and where you traveled to to get one. I myself went to Denmark to search over 4 different provider stores to finally get one without a contract.
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I live in Hungary, so no Play Store devices for me as well. Here, I could get it from bigger stores like Media Markt or buy it from the provider for a really high price. Either way, it's more expensive than buying directly from Google.
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Pipusz said:
I live in Hungary, so no Play Store devices for me as well. Here, I could get it from bigger stores like Media Markt or buy it from the provider for a really high price. Either way, it's more expensive than buying directly from Google.
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Media Mart in Germany was selling for only an additional 50 euro, so perhaps worth the trip?
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Media Mart in Germany was selling for only an additional 50 euro, so perhaps worth the trip?
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Might worth a trip. My only concern would be the warranty. I always take care of my phones, but if something happens, I guess I would have to send it back to Germany for instance.
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Where I come from, while Nexus devices are available, but the release date varies a lot.
Nexus S was released about 7 months after US.
No clue about Galaxy Nexus, didn't follow the news.
Nexus 7 was released like 8 months after US.
Nexus 4 was released like 3 months after US.
And the price is just insane. I mean, when Nexus 4 came out, it was priced about $550 for the 16GB unlocked (off-contract) version if I convert it to USD.
Nonetheless, I'm hoping the Nexus 5, which is to be released by LG. follow suit with the Nexus 4. I think 2-3 months is an "okay" time range. 7-8 months? Hell no.
I live in Belgium too and for my mobile I go in Germany (Aachen-Aix la Chapelle) which is 30 minutes from my place. It's cheaper then Belgium and the mobile are unlocked. For example for my GS3 it was 100euros cheaper in Germany.
For my future Nexus 5 I will go there.
I had to order the Nexus 4 via eBay from the UK. I even had to use forward2me service because the seller couldn't deliver to my address. Heck, I paid about $620 in total, but it was well worth it! I got it like 2 weeks after the release. I live in Latvia by the way.
I just hope Nexus 5 won't have stock problems like it was with Nexus 4.
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I'm from belgium too.
I'm wondering about the warenty.
Do we have to go back to germany for this warenty?
I really want to buy the nexus 5
I hope it's available from Amazon.com or similar. Then I'm gonna import it from the US and although there's gonna be taxes and stuff, the price is gonna be like $650. Still cheaper than bying say a SGS4 here, it costs more than $900.
I'll wait until it's available on ibood.com. Nexus 4 were sold there on several occasions.
I may also ask friend from UK to get me one when it's available at UK play store.
ranadylt said:
Where I come from, while Nexus devices are available, but the release date varies a lot.
Nexus S was released about 7 months after US.
No clue about Galaxy Nexus, didn't follow the news.
Nexus 7 was released like 8 months after US.
Nexus 4 was released like 3 months after US.
And the price is just insane. I mean, when Nexus 4 came out, it was priced about $550 for the 16GB unlocked (off-contract) version if I convert it to USD.
Nonetheless, I'm hoping the Nexus 5, which is to be released by LG. follow suit with the Nexus 4. I think 2-3 months is an "okay" time range. 7-8 months? Hell no.
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You think that's insane? Media Market, in Portugal, is selling it (right now) for ~683$
Thats f insane.
I found no problem of buying it in England for 160 pounds new boxed but receipe on a third person so warranty not void. Flashed a custom kernel after 2 weeks anyway, as overheating issues was killing me and the battery as well. In poland U can get it with 24months of warranty for 250 pounds no problem on auctions.
You can buy the Nexus 5 for 399 euros on coolblue (dot) be , you can also buy the Nexus 4 there and the Nexus 7.
Hope I helped you in time.
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You can buy the Nexus 5 for 399 euros on coolblue (dot) be , you can also buy the Nexus 4 there and the Nexus 7.
Hope I helped you in time.
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Thank you for the information, however I still find it outrageous to sell a 16GB version for 399 EUR about 539 USD, when the google play store price is 345 USD.
I am also living currently in Belgium and find the best prices to be on amazon.de or amazon.fr, depending on the products. The warranty is generally as good as when buying through a physical store and the price difference compared to other stores like Media Markt / Fnac or / Vandenborre is usually at least 100 EUR cheaper.
Lets hope that Google stops with this nonsense and starts selling in other EU countries too and while their at it they can also include a micro sd card slot in their future Nexus devices
MadsBen said:
I hope it's available from Amazon.com or similar. Then I'm gonna import it from the US and although there's gonna be taxes and stuff, the price is gonna be like $650. Still cheaper than bying say a SGS4 here, it costs more than $900.
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If you are in Belgium you can order S4 from the well known Netherlands https://www.4launch.nl/shop/#p-4-productid-137091
It doesn't cost $900
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Otherwise Nexus 5 16Gb for 400 euros
https://www.studentmobiel.nl/lg-nex...Los&TRANSID=1037186895&m4n_aid=13119&_df=true
I bet they deliver to Belgium
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Johev said:
Thank you for the information, however I still find it outrageous to sell a 16GB version for 399 EUR about 539 USD, when the google play store price is 345 USD.
I am also living currently in Belgium and find the best prices to be on amazon.de or amazon.fr, depending on the products. The warranty is generally as good as when buying through a physical store and the price difference compared to other stores like Media Markt / Fnac or / Vandenborre is usually at least 100 EUR cheaper.
Lets hope that Google stops with this nonsense and starts selling in other EU countries too and while their at it they can also include a micro sd card slot in their future Nexus devices
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First of all, $345 is not a real price, as you forget to add sales tax.
Second thing, you can blame silly european governments that imposed 21% VAT.
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As an example, here was my bill for 32gb model:
Nexus 5 (32GB, White) $399.00
Shipping (3-5 business days): $9.99
Tax: $37.83
Total: $446.82
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First of all, $345 is not a real price, as you forget to add sales tax.
Second thing, you can blame silly european governments that imposed 21% VAT.
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European prices are usually (always) shown with VAT included..N5 16/32 are 349/399, VAT included..plus 9.99 for ship.
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European prices are usually (always) shown with VAT included..N5 16/32 are 349/399, VAT included..plus 9.99 for ship.
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N5 16/32 are 349/399 - are US prices, not European.
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N5 16/32 are 349/399 - are US prices, not European.
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I'm in europe, italy..and in play store prices are 349/399 EURO (vat included)
Now available in Russian;(
But,as i konw,itll be available in december-january
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@andQlimax Thanks for backing up my information. Unfortunately I was not able to get the information directly from Google play store, as I am in Belgium.
@jodvova don't forget that 345 EUR is way more than 345 USD even if you need to add the 21% VAT tax .
We know that other retailers will be carrying the Nexus 5 sooner or later.
For those of us with memebership in the primeverse or for those that prefer to save on shipping & save *ahem* file our own taxes, avoid the google play limbo experience and/or use our chase amazon visa's, I present to you the Nexus 5 Amazon thread.
Let's keep on the lookout for nexus 5 developments relating to amazon and post any information here!
I've heard rumors that amazon will be stocking somewhere between 3-7 days.
However, the rep that I spoke to didn't appear to have any information about upcoming nexus 5 availability.
Here's my chat with the rep:
http://goo.gl/DMza0n
I also believe the stock alerts in this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2503657 added amazon to it's monitor list.
i have prime but still paid for expedited shipping and tax from the play store. i dont mind paying more to receive it earlier than to wait.
Pearl sure was useless. You should have told her a joke. Maybe ask her out on a date or something. Better luck next time bro.
I would have waited to purchase it from Amazon, however, I'll still get dinged with sales tax and only save $10 on shipping.
So, I'll just say the $10 was used for help out with the "instant gratification."
I put myself down for a 32GB black that ships in 2-3 weeks, if Amazon gets it before then I will cancel and order from Amazon.
If amazon sells the nexus 5 everything will be perfect
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In case anyone missed it, at the end of the blog post http://googleblog.blogspot.com/201... :good:
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will the nexus 5 work on wind or mobilicity?
1700/2100 frequency?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus5/comments/1pmrrr/nexus_5_amazon_release_monitoring_cooperative/
It looks like the alert in that thread isn't set up yet. i followed the comments in the reddit topic about using page monitor. hopefully that works. Did we want to set up a hangouts or something? not sure of the best way.
Please Amazon, please please please sell the international version D821. PLEASE!
Sure we can definitely start a hangout if we have enough people/interest.
I think quite a few people just bit the bullet and bought the nexus 5 on google play.
When do you guys expect the N5 on Amazon?
I didn't follow the N4 when it came out. What do you think are we looking at days or weeks?
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I didn't follow the N4 when it came out. What do you think are we looking at days or weeks?
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AFAIK, the N4 was not sold by Amazon. The only Google devices they sold were the Chromecast and the Nexus 7 (2013), which were both sold at the same price as the Play store and listed on Amazon on release day.
If I don't get my damn shipping notice by Tuesday like I should I will hope that Amazon has it by then and order it overnight shipping and cancel/resell the playstore order, smh
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AFAIK, the N4 was not sold by Amazon. The only Google devices they sold were the Chromecast and the Nexus 7 (2013), which were both sold at the same price as the Play store and listed on Amazon on release day.
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Best Buy has an insane markup — hopefully Amazon doesn't follow suit.
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Best Buy has an insane markup — hopefully Amazon doesn't follow suit.
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I have a feeling that the $800 markup is a Sprint thing to "encourage" people to buy it on contract.
I hope they will sell the Unlocked version at the same price as the Play Store since they didn't put a markup on the Nexus 7, Chromecast, or Chromebooks.
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I have a feeling that the $800 markup is a Sprint thing to "encourage" people to buy it on contract.
I hope they will sell the Unlocked version at the same price as the Play Store since they didn't put a markup on the Nexus 7, Chromecast, or Chromebooks.
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I really hope so. Come to think of it, has Amazon ever officially sold an unlocked Nexus phone? I know they didn't sell the Nexus 4, I'm pretty sure they didn't sell the Galaxy Nexus, and I'm vaguely remembering them not carrying the Nexus S or Nexus One.
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I really hope so. Come to think of it, has Amazon ever officially sold an unlocked Nexus phone? I know they didn't sell the Nexus 4, I'm pretty sure they didn't sell the Galaxy Nexus, and I'm vaguely remembering them not carrying the Nexus S or Nexus One.
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This will be their first time officially selling a Nexus phone I believe.
HOWEVER! What has me some what worried is that the pre-order page for Amazon UK's Nexus 5 is extremely overpriced. I really hope it's just a placeholder and they'll fix it when they get it in stock. http://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-Nexus-5-...E&s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1383328580&sr=1-3 I would prefer using Amazon to get the phone since I have gift cards.
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I have a feeling that the $800 markup is a Sprint thing to "encourage" people to buy it on contract.
I hope they will sell the Unlocked version at the same price as the Play Store since they didn't put a markup on the Nexus 7, Chromecast, or Chromebooks.
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With BB selling the N5 for $800 and Amazon UK selling it for 520 GBP (~845 USD), I think it's unlikely Amazon US will sell it at the Play Store prices.
one of the posts on that reddit says they plan on pricing it like google. hopefully thats true.
So note 4 will be officially released in US on October 17, and pre-orders start tomorrow 9/19
So who's gonna pre-order? I think I'm gonna wait and just go buy it in the store
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-4-pre-orders-kicking-tomorrow
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Damn the 17th. I was ready for the 3rd. Oh well
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verks said:
Damn the 17th. I was ready for the 3rd. Oh well
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Yeah no kidding. Wonder why so late? It's like a week after the note 3 was released last year
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The only explanation for this messy launch is some sort of supply chain issue. I wonder what happened?
Those prices though!
In Canada, I can only imagine the price with the exchange rate and taxes will put it well over $1000. Not sure how I feel about this.
Lol way to botch a launch. So much Samsung in my house you know they ship tons of stuff.... So why can't they get it right? Could also be a difference in culture. I know in America we want the latest and we want it now... Maybe over there things don't get as much interest?
Any news on UK and Asia launch
EP2008 said:
Those prices though!
In Canada, I can only imagine the price with the exchange rate and taxes will put it well over $1000. Not sure how I feel about this.
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I'm not spending over $1k, that's insane. To me there is no phone worth that much. Especially when I consider the features of Touchwiz that I don't use. I have always said that I wouldn't buy a phone that did not include both a micro SD slot and removable battery after owning an S3. If prices are this high the Nexus 6/X will move way up my list and I'll hold off to see what it offers. Here's to hoping they offer it to us for $850 maximum.
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Any news on UK and Asia launch
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No pricing yet but check out gsm arena.
saj2001ind said:
Any news on UK and Asia launch
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for UK it will be Oct 10th.............
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/09/18...go-up-for-pre-order-in-the-uk-on-september-19
I'll just wait to see if a new Nexus announcement mid-October like rumored. I don't see point in pre-ordering, never had a problem walking in and buying a Note the day of release.
$200 trade in from samsung
https://samsunggalaxypromotions.com/Note4/
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aulwes said:
$200 trade in from samsung
https://samsunggalaxypromotions.com/Note4/
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Hmm, so it says in fine print you're trade in phone needs to be worth $10 or more, and you'll get check for difference between $200 and your trade-in value.
So glad I kept my Galaxy S2 Skyrocket in a drawer for the last couple years. Shows it's worth $26 trade in. So can get a check for $174, and can get the Note 4 for really cheap.
How do you find out how much your phone is worth? I got my old fascinate.
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$200 trade in from samsung
https://samsunggalaxypromotions.com/Note4/
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Yes how did u check
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Yes how did u check
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http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...ecycling.jsp?intcmp=SearchBanner:trade in:Top
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http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...ecycling.jsp?intcmp=SearchBanner:trade in:Top
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AT&T Galaxy S4 trade-in value is $104?!
Shoot, that's worth a couple hundred or more on Craiglist/eBay/Swappa.
http://swappa.com/prices/samsung-galaxy-s-4-att/
really samsung...
i usually give Samsung a pass, but this month long delay after the intro is ridiculous. so you beat apple to the punch in announcing but can't beat them to the shelves?!? not impressed at all. still getting one but not pleased.
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i usually give Samsung a pass, but this month long delay after the intro is ridiculous. so you beat apple to the punch in announcing but can't beat them to the shelves?!? not impressed at all. still getting one but not pleased.
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Lolololol. Its just a phone. And its just a month. Who cares which one comes out first? Apple fans will buy Apple products, Samsung fans will buy Samsung products, etc. Not pleased but yet you're still getting one? Who are you kidding.
P.S. Verizon has the pre-order for only the white note 4. Sprint starts on Sept. 26th. AT&T has white and black for pre-order now.
and the verizon note 4 ships on Oct. 23.
I got a different (and better) trade in value by going to
trade-in.vzw.com
I traded in an old (and unused for the past several years) iphone 4.
They appraised it at $65.
I really didnt care about the trade in price as long as it was more than $10.
They are sending the shipping materials, then I will just have to wait for the Note 4 to arrive so I can fill out the form on the Samsung webpage to get the $135 balance.
Bottom line is that the Note 4 only cost me $99 !
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Delakit said:
Lolololol. Its just a phone. And its just a month. Who cares which one comes out first? Apple fans will buy Apple products, Samsung fans will buy Samsung products, etc. Not pleased but yet you're still getting one? Who are you kidding.
P.S. Verizon has the pre-order for only the white note 4. Sprint starts on Sept. 26th. AT&T has white and black for pre-order now.
and the verizon note 4 ships on Oct. 23.
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The black and white models are both available on VZW for pre-order.
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CZ Eddie said:
AT&T Galaxy S4 trade-in value is $104?!
Shoot, that's worth a couple hundred or more on Craiglist/eBay/Swappa.
http://swappa.com/prices/samsung-galaxy-s-4-att/
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I just sold my S4 for $300.
Even though VZW is only giving you $104 Samsung will also send you $96
billinaz said:
I got a different (and better) trade in value by going to
trade-in.vzw.com
I traded in an old (and unused for the past several years) iphone 4.
They appraised it at $65.
I really didnt care about the trade in price as long as it was more than $10.
They are sending the shipping materials, then I will just have to wait for the Note 4 to arrive so I can fill out the form on the Samsung webpage to get the $135 balance.
Bottom line is that the Note 4 only cost me $99 !
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The black and white models are both available on VZW for pre-order.
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I just sold my S4 for $300.
Even though VZW is only giving you $104 Samsung will also send you $96
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It wasn't when I posted.