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Do you leave your XDA charged when you are not using?

Does any one know if leave it charged is bad for the battery, or not? :?:

I read somewhere that li-ion batteries work better when charged often. It's to do with the way the batteries degrade. Mine is generally on charge more often than not and I have noticed no loss of life in nearly a year.
I do wish I could find a way to bypass that 72 hour rule though.

pug said:
I do wish I could find a way to bypass that 72 hour rule though.
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What 72 hrs rule?

The battery only drains to about 50% to allow for 72 hours main battery backup in case you are away from a charger for the weekend or something.
As I'm never away from a charging source for more than 2 hours, I want to disable this to allow extra usage at any one time.
Hope I answered your question earlier.
Pug.

From reading Li-Ion behavior over the internet, they said while Li-Ion battery provides a light weight, it is sensitive on the overcharging issue.
So, I was concern in overcharging mine.
But, perhaps the charger has a built-in mechanism to sense full charge and prevents overcharge the battery. :?
In any way, thank you for your input on charging the batter and the 72 hrs rule.

Some essential information on Li-Ion batteries:
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-5.htm
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm (charging Li-Ion batteries)
Contrary to popular belief, Li-Ion batteries DON'T have a memory effect like NiMh or NiCads do, you don't have to charge them for 10/12 hours when you first get them, you just give them a topup charge to make sure they're full and off you go.
Whenever I get back home, and I'm at my PC or in my room, I'll always charge my phone in. The XDA literally eats battery life, and I'm seriously debating buying one of those 2600mAh batteries to replace the supplied one, it sucks if you're using it for anything like Bluetooth and you're not using an in-car charger / you're walking around in a town or city for a fair while.

How many times you can charge a Diamond battery??

I red last week somewhere that a liion battery lifetime isabout 300 times charging, does anybody now or this is true?
Willem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
You can find there answer to your question..

The life span is dependent upon aging (shelf life). From time of manufacturing, regardless of whether it was charged or the number of charge/discharge cycles, the battery will decline slowly and predictably in capacity. This means an older battery will not last as long as a new battery due solely to its age, unlike other batteries. This drawback is not widely published.

Wilsas said:
I red last week somewhere that a liion battery lifetime isabout 300 times charging, does anybody now or this is true?
Willem
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i must charge my diamond 2 or 3 times a day duz that mean im gunna have to buy 3 batterys a year lol

mancsoulja said:
i must charge my diamond 2 or 3 times a day duz that mean im gunna have to buy 3 batterys a year lol
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same, my diamond is connected about the same amount of times per day, and then left on charge when im at home to ensure i have adequate battery, eek!

I think the 300 times charging is refer to 300 full complete cycle of charging. It need to be refer to complete a cycle from fully discharge to fully charge. If you charge your battery from 50% to 100%. It is only 1/2 cylce.
Anyone can correct if i'm wrong.

I think a complete discharge counts as 1. If you charge the battery now and then without letting it discharge completely it will last longer. This is quite Li-Ion specific.

In heavy usage a battery lasts for 2 years easy.

Riel said:
In heavy usage a battery lasts for 2 years easy.
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Even when you charge it 2 times a day? This should mean about 1400 charging?
Willem

Right, firstly, forget anything that has been written above. 300 is crap. (the film '300' isnt tho)
lithium ion batteries generally last longer when kept topped up, rather than cycled.
The batteries in out Diamonds are lith ion, but have been specifically designed for top up charging, therefore last longer.
you can expect your battery to last for 3 years of continuos use, unless there is a fault or it is damaged. It will slowely deteriorate over time.
I have just bought a new battery for my laptop, which is Lithium Ion, as was the original. This is after 10 years!

mugglesquop said:
... I have just bought a new battery for my laptop, which is Lithium Ion, as was the original. This is after 10 years!
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OK. I know it is out of the topic, but i still want to say: My laptop which is a precision workstation laptop's battery only last 1 year.
So, it is fair that if you discharge and charge frequently, it will deteriorate faster. This is fair enough.

Li-ion battery life - the facts
Skipping back to the facts for a moment.... the HTC Diamond standard battery is a Li ion battery with Co chemistry.
1. Li-ion batteries last between 300-500 deep cycles (from 0% to 100%).
2. Partial recharges are good. A partial recharge from ~25% to ~75% is less damaging than a recharge from 0-100%, and only counts (roughly) as around 1/4 of the impact of a deep cycle. Li ion technology has no charge memory effect, which means that the battery capacity is completely unaffected by partial charging (n.b. this is NOT the case for NiCad or NiMH technology).
3. Li-ion batteries also decay at a constant rate over time, dependent on temperature, and regardless of use. They lose around 20% capacity per year at 25C, but this is increased at higher temperatures. Shelf life is optimised by keeping unused batteries at 6C (fridge temp) and with ~40% charge. But do not freeze them!
4. 100% charge causes accelerated decay rates. So keep your battery below full charge.
5. Deep cycle the battery occasionally (~once per 30 charges), to recalibrate your charge meter. Otherwise the charge level shown will become inaccurate.
6. Key advantage for Co chemistry is high energy density - up to 200mWh/g. Key disadvantage is the charge/discharge limit, which is ~1.2 coulomb.
7. Conclusion is that you can expect your Diamond battery to last for ~3 yrs of hard daily use. If you take care of it, it will last for double that time.
More info can be found on http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm,
and at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery

[Q] When should i charge the battery?

hi!
guys, when should i charge the Galaxy S battery to maximize his life?
In my old phone, i only charge it when the phone shuts down himself. It can run for 7 days with no problems until i need to charge again.
Should i do the same thing with Galaxy S battery?
Well, when i need to connect the phone to the PC using USB cable, it will charge anyway. Is it bad? Should i do it only when i know the battery needs to be charged (when it has low battery)?

any time you want
it should always be topped up, there is no memory effect

Some people say that we should charge when the phone has 25% or 30% of the battery. And every month we should make a complete charge and discharge.
Is this a good method to keep the battery ok?

best way is to cycle through 2 or 3 batteries
charge them full
then use them down until you get the warning, and change to new battery pack, then take the used battery to the charger
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733705

Although I don't really have any definite sources to back this up, I've read several places that Li-Ion and Li-Polymer batteries can (and even should) be charged as often as possible. You should avoid letting them run flat, apparently.
What is certain though, is that they themselves have no memory effect like NiCd and NiMh batteries have.

our SGS will nag you to death as soon as it reaches 10%, and it will constantly annoys you to charge the battery at 5%
so, no worry about running flat

Technically to maximize the life (ie. capacity) of a Li-ion battery you should charge to full when it gets down to 40%.
The cooler the ambient temperature the better - A Li-ion battery operating at 25 degrees C will lose 20% of its capacity in one year. Higher temperatures drastically increase this degradation.
Given that most people will move to a newer phone after 2 years or so, and spare batteries are cheap as chips, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference.

So, people say that we should charge the battery when it has 30-40% of the capacity.
But what is the thechnical explanation?
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that's exactly what i would like to know as well at 30%-40% will make the battery totally useless if that is true
might as well take the phone with a super long extension cold with you if that were true
LMAO

AllGamer said:
best way is to cycle through 2 or 3 batteries
charge them full
then use them down until you get the warning, and change to new battery pack, then take the used battery to the charger
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733705
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I don't think that would be the best strategy, AFAIK (and read)
Li-ion packs prefer more frequent charges, even if after partial discharges, than full charge-discharge cycles.
Its also not good to store the pack fully charged. Best to store at 40% charge.
Following these 2 concepts, I imagine its better to charge the battery as often as possible, like every day, than to let it discharge until you get the warning.
Also, if you cycle through several packs, letting each one discharge almost completely, then charge it fully and move to a different pack like you suggested, that means you will be letting the battery unused at full charge for a longer period (the more packages you use, the longer the pack will stay stored at full charge).
Thats how I understand the behavior of those batteries. Just my 2 cents.
Paulo

I will say what the first reply said, charge as often as you feel you have time. Do not wait for any percentage of drain. There is no memory effect and yes about once a month do one full uninterrupted cycle. The point of which is to let the device's power management recalibrate where 0 (or thereabouts and 100% of the current fill are.
Cooler is better, this is also true.
All educated advice on Li-Ion batteries is that they remain healthier for longer the fuller they are, but the chemicals must be exercised occasionally, thus the full charge cycle in one go.
One charge cycle also actually counts over multiple charges, and not just uninterrupted ones. You can drain then charge 25% 4 times and that is counted as one cycle for these batteries.
I have always stuck to this advice since I learnt of it several years back and I find my batteries work better and longer than many people I know (who stick with drain, charge methods (lack of updated information).

i agree with nailerr

Simply charge it when you need to. It's better to have a fully charged battery when you need it, than run out of battery when an important call is coming through

So, the main reason to charge it with 30%-40% left is to avoid the battery heat too much?
I found this: h**p://batterycare.net/en/guide.html
It says more or less what you guys said here.
But you need to know that i always charge from 0% to 100% my old phone. It is 4 years old and it has no problems with the battery. It can run up to 7 days without any charge... Looks like charge it that way is not so bad anyway i guess...

Battery Heating Problem in Galaxy Ace S5830

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Most cell phone batteries are Lithium Ion now.
Although constant charging cannot hurt, it looks like you may want to periodically run the battery all the way down so the digital circuits can correctly calibrate:
Although lithium-ion is memory-free in terms of performance deterioration, batteries with fuel gauges exhibit what engineers refer to as "digital memory". Short discharges with subsequent recharges do not provide the periodic calibration needed to synchronize the fuel gauge with the battery's state-of-charge. A deliberate full discharge and recharge every 30 charges corrects this problem. Letting the battery run down to the cut-off point in the equipment will do this. If ignored, the fuel gauge will become increasingly less accurate.
As for battery life, temperature is apparently a factor -- the hotter the environment, the more capacity loss over time. And storing the battery at 100% charge is actually unhealthy for Lithium Ion batteries!
Avoid frequent full discharges because this puts additional strain on the battery. Several partial discharges with frequent recharges are better for lithium-ion than one deep one. Recharging a partially charged lithium-ion does not cause harm because there is no memory. (In this respect, lithium-ion differs from nickel-based batteries.) Short battery life in a laptop is mainly cause by heat rather than charge / discharge patterns.
Batteries with fuel gauge (laptops) should be calibrated by applying a deliberate full discharge once every 30 charges. Running the pack down in the equipment does this. If ignored, the fuel gauge will become increasingly less accurate and in some cases cut off the device prematurely.
Keep the lithium-ion battery cool. Avoid a hot car. For prolonged storage, keep the battery at a 40% charge level.
Consider removing the battery from a laptop when running on fixed power. (Some laptop manufacturers are concerned about dust and moisture accumulating inside the battery casing.)
Avoid purchasing spare lithium-ion batteries for later use. Observe manufacturing dates. Do not buy old stock, even if sold at clearance prices.
If you have a spare lithium-ion battery, use one to the fullest and keep the other cool by placing it in the refrigerator. Do not freeze the battery. For best results, store the battery at 40% state-of-charge.

When should you charge and unplug your battery.

For the last few years I've been reading that it's best to charge your battery at around 30-40% up to 80 or 85%.
Despite this possibly being the best practice, I don't see much point in paying for a $1200+ with a 4100mah battery and only using 40-50% of it's capacity.
So do you charge at around 10% and then go up to a hundred?
Generally I charge when I need to. I like to be topped up to a 100% when I leave the house. Maybe this isn't best practice. I could wait until it get to about 20% but I am wary about using all the battery cycles up.
PLUS I doubt you're going to get 6-7 out SOT if you charge at around 30 or 40%.
So what do you guys do with your s10e, 10s or s10 +?

Charge it whenever. Why the heck limit myself to 60% (say from 20-80% when even my usage pattern won't cause the battery to wear down to 80% capacity over that same time frame by my charging methods?
I also don't tend to keep my phones for more than a year, so wear level doesn't really affect me much

There is no way to "charge it best". Just use it and charge it when needed.
People take out of date "battery knowledge" from the NiCAD battery days and think that modern batteries develop "memories" and things and that hasn't been the case in decades... Just use it and don't worry about it. A battery is only gonna last 2 years at best anyways, so who cares if you shorten that by 2 months?

I normally charge my S10 from 25% to 90%.
The battery of my previous S7 Edge started suffering after almost a year and a half because I used to always keep it charging overnight.
If you don't intend to keep using your phone for more than a year, then don't limit charging your phone. Even in the case it wears off after a year, you can get your battery replaced by Samsung and start fresh again.

I charge mine around 20-30% all the way to 100% . Then unplugged it whenever I need to.

Is there a good "battery charge limit" app that doesn't require root or Magisk? I used Battery Charge Limit (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.slash.batterychargelimit&hl=en_US) and it works great, but requires root privilege. It allows you to set upper and lower limits for charging, so you don't overcharge or let your battery drain.

Batteries don't overcharge. They hit 100% and then trickle charge...

Li-Ion batteries are durable and easy to maintain, you can't overcharge them and also the charging cycles doesn't matter - when you use the integrated Charing electronics in your device. You can charge it for a few minutes over the whole day without losing any capacity. Only over the time the capacity will get lower and lower, but this is an issue you can't avoid.
The charging controller in your device cares about voltage and loading current, never put a current on a Li-Ion battery without current limiter and voltage regulator.
But Li-Ion are very sensitive to mechanical damages and production faults.

Thanks for all the advice guys. Nice to see that most of us feel the same way.

Agree with the others. Technically, for optimum life, they say it's best to be between 40%-80%.
But really, just charge it when you need to charge it. Don't worry about numbers or percentages. If you're only going to own the device for a few years, no matter how you charge your device, it's going to have absolutely no affect on the battery over that time. It'll still be holding almost the same amount of charge in a couple of years regardless of which "charging strategy" you use.
TLDR: don't worry about percentage, charge it when you feel like it or when it needs it.

Go here and follow these principles. End off.
https://www.apple.com/in/batteries/maximizing-performance/

I always stay in the range from 40/50% to 75/80% on my Galaxy Note 8 which I had for 18mos.
Accubattery shows it still has 97% capacity.
https://i.imgur.com/rOabELz.jpg

Neo3D said:
I always stay in the range from 40/50% to 75/80% on my Galaxy Note 8 which I had for 18mos.
Accubattery shows it still has 97% capacity.
https://i.imgur.com/rOabELz.jpg
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so you probably charge ur phone 6 times a day? no thanks

@SquireSCA I believe it's a narrow-minded approach to say that the phone battery will "last 2 years at best anyways, so who cares". I'm currently still rocking my Samsung Galaxy S5 which I bought brand new just over 5 years ago now on it's original battery. The battery is by no means like it was when it was new, but it will still last a day of light usage, and still runs perfectly fine with Android 5 installed. This preservation of the battery comes after years of charging it slowly on a charger outputting less than 1 amp and also making sure it rarely goes below 20%, spending most of it's time between 20%-80%.

If you you want to double your battery life you have to keep your li-ion battery between 3.7V and 4.2V. you have to stop the charge when the battery reach 4.2V so it means you have to keep your battery between 15%-85%.
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Personally I keep my battery between 15-85% which is sufficient to double it's battery life for a 3-year usage without big losses

Idk i heard ppl saying you should let it completely drain and recharge at least once a month. i charge at 15%. Oh well i only keep this phone for a year and then sell it.

It's mostly BS. There are hundreds of charging theories and no battery experts here so pick one and go with it. Pick the wrong one and instead of getting 8 hours on your batter 2 years down the road you'll probably only get 7.5 hours.