I would say the nexus 4 is somewhat a success and Google broke new grounds in price, performance, and design. For most of us the nexus 4 meets all of our needs is near perfect. But still most of the world knows nothing about a nexus or what stock android is. I encounter a lot of what I would consider the average customer and to explain to them what stock is and why its better and why you should want a nexus its a lot for them to take in. Most people still know apple and getting a new phone requires a contract.
I think Google should have two nexus phones one high end one low end. Not this 8gb and 16gb 50 dollar price difference its just pointless. I am sure we could all agree a nexus 4 a little bit higher end and not so fragile at 400 dollars unlocked would still sell like hotcakes.
Now since its 2013 I would have to believe they could build a cheaper 150 - 200 dollar 4.3 screen size dual core basic spec phone and totally take over the prepaid market. Even take the iPhone route have one design keep it for 4 years. I mean why should stock android be the smallest group in android phones.
Last when did training videos go out of style. There is so much to learn in android average people will just not figure it out. Make a 20 min video showing how to do all the new features. Put it on the phone or link to right when they activate the phone. Apple is going to make a cheaper iphone might as well beat them to its so it doesn't look like you copied.
I think everyone should have an unlocked phone seeing how now its illegal. I don't see any advantage of being locked into a contract. And if Google really wanted to make an impact make Google voice support WiFi calling ( carriers will go ape **** ). People would pay for this at a low price. Any I'm not buying the argument that carriers could not handle the data usage in 2013. Or if dreams really come true buy T-Mobile. Its crazy to me what people are paying for phone bills and watching minutes and bandwidth.
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I'd be happy if they just brought their accessories like their Wireless Charging Orb. This phone isn't even complete yet.
Yeah wireless orb feels like its never coming, must have some issues. But also having 2 nexus phones one being cheaper would really push NFC. And I don't know why they are not using Motorola to make some of their devices. Didn't they buy the hardware side?
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I think we can all agree on 2 things this phone needed to make it legendary.
1. Better quality camera sensor
2. At least 3000 mAh battery
& I'm still waiting for that wireless charging orb!!!
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Yeah wireless orb feels like its never coming, must have some issues. But also having 2 nexus phones one being cheaper would really push NFC. And I don't know why they are not using Motorola to make some of their devices. Didn't they buy the hardware side?
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They JUST bought Motorola. It will take at least 18-24 months from time of purchase for you to see anything that has been "Google" driven. First few months they will probably restructure the company so you can count those months out already.
AttachedSilver said:
I think we can all agree on 2 things this phone needed to make it legendary.
1. Better quality camera sensor
2. At least 3000 mAh battery
& I'm still waiting for that wireless charging orb!!!
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And LTE
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Yeah wireless orb feels like its never coming, must have some issues. But also having 2 nexus phones one being cheaper would really push NFC. And I don't know why they are not using Motorola to make some of their devices. Didn't they buy the hardware side?
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Android needs Samsung HTC Sony and LG to succeed. If they start showing Motorola favoritism, other OEMs might move away from Android. At this point they are playing safe.
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Android needs Samsung HTC Sony and LG to succeed. If they start showing Motorola favoritism, other OEMs might move away from Android. At this point they are playing safe.
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Move away to what I think its the other way around.
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They need to make a phone from scratch instead of doing slight mods to everybody elses old parts. Every Nexus device has been like a kit car. They need to carry out their plans fully, if the part doesnt exist then make it.
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They need to make a phone from scratch instead of doing slight mods to everybody elses old parts. Every Nexus device has been like a kit car. They need to carry out their plans fully, if the part doesnt exist then make it.
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But thats the more expensive way to do it. Its much harder to completely design and manufacture a phone from the ground up than it is to take an already existing phone and modify it to fit your needs. Plus google doesn't build phones, they just worry about software and design aesthetics. They leave the hardware and major designing to the larger companies.
Better battery life indeed.
And they need to work better with the app making companies out there cause a lot of them has issues with android, specially the issue about the phone not going to deep sleep.
I think all day have to do is to be a perfectionist, focus on every little thing and make sure everything works great, and keep it at a low price.
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And LTE
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LTE works fine for me
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LTE works fine for me
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Show off, I got 35 Mbps down on hspa+
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Move away to what I think its the other way around.
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If the manufacturers wanted to make a big push for Tizen OS, it COULD be the next big thing. Also, there is WP8.
Don't forget that people scoffed at Android in it's infancy; some still do. But look at it now.
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They JUST bought Motorola. It will take at least 18-24 months from time of purchase for you to see anything that has been "Google" driven. First few months they will probably restructure the company so you can count those months out already.
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Does anyone here really think Google cares how many N4's are sold or whether people get served up ads or buy content from Play on a non-Nexus device? Those things are why Android exists. Samsung's sold 100MM Galaxy devices compared to about 3MM Nexus phones Google will have sold which includes the lifetime run of the N4. To the non-XDA world TW is Android. And at $299/349 the N4 is $100/150 higher than a subsidized better spec'd phone via a carrier. And the 90% of the U.S. not using an MVNO could care less if their device is locked. The enthusiast community (us) make up 5% of device purchasers. What we want and what's commercially viable or important are two different things.
And the whole "AOSP is fantastic" thing is getting a bit old. Back in the days of single core ships, 512K of RAM, and overlays the size of a house AOKP and AOSP drastically improved device performance. As it stands the h/w is ahead of the s/w so any improvements in fluidity and transitions are measured in milliseconds. And there are a ton of usability features in TW, Sense, and the like that make devices easier to use than stock. Here's a list of TW features from the N2 that have nothing to do with the pen. So you'll get updates faster on a Nexus device but as it stands Samsung's JB wireless stacks work where AOSP is borked. AOSP isn't the slam dunk it used to be. And it's doubtful you'll see the dramatic enhancements we've seen from 2>3>4 in future Android versions simply because the OS is matured now. So it’s cool as enthusiasts to have some Nexus options but naked Android on more than a small percentage of shipping devices is a train that’s left the station.
The ability to turn off the capacitive button lights so if you're navigating or watching flash-based video in a browser they don't distract you.
Long pressing a function in the notification bar open that function. (EG: short press Wi-Fi = toggle, long press=open Wi-Fi settings) so you have quick access to most used settings no matter where you are in the UI or an app.
Customize which functions appear in the notification bar and reorder them.
Unlock the device via voice including separate commands to unlock via voice directly in to various apps.
Use voice to control the music player, take a picture, snooze or shut off the alarm, or accept or reject an incoming call.
Launch the camera while the device is locked by holding a finger on it and rotating it from vertical to horizontal.
Smart Stay to keep the device awake when looking at it and Smart Rotation to keep it at the same orientation as your eyes if you change position.
Music Hub subscription service with locker storage (matched) for your own music and the ability to download unlimited songs (while subscribed) to the device's SD card and have them all show up in the stock music player.
Music Square which determines the "mood" of all your stored music and allows you to instantly create playlists based on the mood of a song you're currently listening to.
S Voice to control a much broader list of functions by voice than what’s supported by Google Now and dial by name or number via BT including sending MMS and e-mail.
Quick Glance to see time, date, weather, battery life, missed calls/messages, and new e-mail by waving your hand over the device without unlocking it.
Customize your e-mail signature in the stock e-mail client including different fonts, colors, and graphics.
Direct call to automatically dial a number from an open contact, MMS, or e-mail message.
Palm touch to mute the device by covering it with your hand.
Driving mode to read incoming MMS and e-mail aloud.
And since Motorola is a mainstream high-volume manufacturer, to mayurolla’s point, I’d be willing to bet anyone here their new devices have an overlay because that’s what mainstream consumers (volume) dictates. The GN was available on the carriers at the same subsidized price as other overlayed devices and it only sold 750K units while the SGS2 and SGS3 sold in the tens of millions. That pretty much sums it up.
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Now since its 2013 I would have to believe they could build a cheaper 150 - 200 dollar 4.3 screen size dual core basic spec phone and totally take over the prepaid market. Even take the iPhone route have one design keep it for 4 years. I mean why should stock android be the smallest group in android phones.
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That's too low to be possible or feasible, but $250 or $300 maybe. I would definitely settle for one. I am not fond of oversized phones these day, and 4.2 - 4.5" 720p screen would do. However, I don't think this is the business model or plan of Google, they only want to release a single device with flagship spec and make it a development platform (imo), I don't think they are in the 'selling phones for profit' game like other manufacturers. Though I really wish the idea would come true, I don't like obese phones.
- Improve software optimization
- Get kernel to 3.8, up from current 3.4
- Improve customer service
- Release full source faster
- Allow preorders always
- Discourage devs from making ported apps, encourage only natively written
- More gestures
- Improve camera software
- Ui theme must be synced in all apps, can't have gingerbread look in some and holo in others
- Improved CPU logic for multicores, throw out mpdecison
- improve thermal logic
- throw out project butter, start fresh for 5.0
- lower GPU api access like on consoles, devs should have full access
- built in color settings
- new ui for 5.0
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Ace42 said:
- Improve software optimization
- Get kernel to 3.8, up from current 3.4
- Improve customer service
- Release full source faster
- Allow preorders always
- Discourage devs from making ported apps, encourage only natively written
- More gestures
- Improve camera software
- Ui theme must be synced in all apps, can't have gingerbread look in some and holo in others
- Improved CPU logic for multicores, throw out mpdecison
- improve thermal logic
- throw out project butter, start fresh for 5.0
- lower GPU api access like on consoles, devs should have full access
- built in color settings
- new ui for 5.0
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Start fresh...as in break compatibility?
longebane said:
Start fresh...as in break compatibility?
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Fresh as in their concept of project butter not android, that would be very dangerous and risky.I wanna see the type of speed bump you see when upgrading windows 7 -> 8.
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Fataldesain said:
Yeah wireless orb feels like its never coming, must have some issues. But also having 2 nexus phones one being cheaper would really push NFC. And I don't know why they are not using Motorola to make some of their devices. Didn't they buy the hardware side?
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I think the problem they have with the orb is it's entirely wireless, in the original image it's just an orb with no wires.
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Hey guys.
So here us it, I have a nexus one. Should I get a iPhone 4 or no.is it worth it for a iPhone 4 or would the iPhone 5 be very better. If not then the iPhone 4 would be nice.is it worth going from a nexus one to a iPhone.
I like it.
Or if not am iPhone then what?
The iPhone have 32gig internal while the nexus have 512megs.
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you should be burnt at the stand to even mention the iphone here LOL
Shivammcool said:
Hey guys.
So here us it, I have a nexus one. Should I get a iPhone 4 or no.is it worth it for a iPhone 4 or would the iPhone 5 be very better. If not then the iPhone 4 would be nice.is it worth going from a nexus one to a iPhone.
I like it.
Or if not am iPhone then what?
The iPhone have 32gig internal while the nexus have 512megs.
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Most people on xda don't really like the iphone. Im just wondering why you want to switch to the iPhone now? Is it the storage space for apps? There are fixes for that.
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Most people on xda don't really like the iphone. Im just wondering why you want to switch to the iPhone now?
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...because it's pretty! xD
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danger-rat said:
...because it's pretty! xD
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And it has the *wifis*
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Shivammcool said:
Hey guys.
So here us it, I have a nexus one. Should I get a iPhone 4 or no.is it worth it for a iPhone 4 or would the iPhone 5 be very better. If not then the iPhone 4 would be nice.is it worth going from a nexus one to a iPhone.
I like it.
Or if not am iPhone then what?
The iPhone have 32gig internal while the nexus have 512megs.
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I agree 512megs sucks I cant even keep a year worth of calendar without my phone running out of memory. If your willing to put up with hardcore restrictions and such a basic plain interface then why not. I played with the iphone for a day and I can't stand the simple UI its like eating a garden salad with no dressing just simple plain and tasteless in my opinion but doesnt mean I would never get one.
If you get the iphone, make sure to get the one with the bigger GBs .
Seriously, I think one of the biggest drawback of iphone is having to use itunes. to sync and having to deal with itunes/iphone restrictions on copying DRM music and limiting the number of computers that an iphone can sync with. Just such a hassle in my experience. Android allows you to mount as usb storage and just drag over what you want with no restrictions.
Another item I don't like is the enclosed battery. If the battery in my Nexus dies, I can swap it out for a back up battery. When my battery reaches end of life, I can just buy a new battery. I believe Apple requires you to send the phone to them and pay a substantial fee to have the battery replaced.
Additionally, you have the antenna problem which was supposedly fixed by free cases. And you are limited to only the Apps that Apple approves.
512mb of internal storage is a small amount, but music and other data can be stored on the microSD card. 32Gb microSD cards are readily available and 16Gb cards are really becoming affordable.
I personally think that the iphone has good hardware and easy-to-use software, but the idea that Apple/AT&T limit what you can do with your device is a deal breaker. Why should anybody be able to tell me which music I can listen to, which PCs I can sync to, or which apps I can install on my phone.
Nexus
My Nexus is reliable. I can't say that about iPhones, also, Android is the best mobile OS by far for multitasking
LOL...do you really want to leave XDA & not have it's support & development
tech338 said:
If you get the iphone, make sure to get the one with the bigger GBs .
Seriously, I think one of the biggest drawback of iphone is having to use itunes. to sync and having to deal with itunes/iphone restrictions on copying DRM music and limiting the number of computers that an iphone can sync with. Just such a hassle in my experience. Android allows you to mount as usb storage and just drag over what you want with no restrictions.
Another item I don't like is the enclosed battery. If the battery in my Nexus dies, I can swap it out for a back up battery. When my battery reaches end of life, I can just buy a new battery. I believe Apple requires you to send the phone to them and pay a substantial fee to have the battery replaced.
Additionally, you have the antenna problem which was supposedly fixed by free cases. And you are limited to only the Apps that Apple approves.
512mb of internal storage is a small amount, but music and other data can be stored on the microSD card. 32Gb microSD cards are readily available and 16Gb cards are really becoming affordable.
I personally think that the iphone has good hardware and easy-to-use software, but the idea that Apple/AT&T limit what you can do with your device is a deal breaker. Why should anybody be able to tell me which music I can listen to, which PCs I can sync to, or which apps I can install on my phone.
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I think with every platform and company you get will have their big downsides and their big advantages and its up to the user which one he/she is willing to put up with. Apple restrictions are insane sometimes but they still manage to move crazy units and theirs hardly any competition for their app store. While android theirs more freedom and choices companies are killing the experience with their lack of updates and its sad that I cant pick up a beautiful nice looking x10 and streak or the t-mo defy because the companies wont be updating their devices and Google wont do anything about it. As my opinion I wouldn't pay AT&T those insane plan prices for the iphone.
I would say Android platform will very soon beat i-stuff, and Nexus One will soon get 2.3 OTA.
Nexus One is ... 4 months older than iPhone4? But till now I personally find nothing that iPhone4 can do but Nexus One can not.
Go with Android man
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I would say Android platform will very soon beat i-stuff, and Nexus One will soon get 2.3 OTA.
Nexus One is ... 4 months older than iPhone4? But till now I personally find nothing that iPhone4 can do but Nexus One can not.
Go with Android man
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as far as phone pretty much the same as far as app store no. Right now I'm looking for a real carbon fiber case for nexus one theirs none while iphone has alot of them ok so im looking for a nice metal case their only like 2 and their bulky as hell and ugly while iphone even has a bamboo case Im not a hater but I'm hating on iphones case selection their to die for.
tech338 said:
If you get the iphone, make sure to get the one with the bigger GBs .
Seriously, I think one of the biggest drawback of iphone is having to use itunes. to sync and having to deal with itunes/iphone restrictions on copying DRM music and limiting the number of computers that an iphone can sync with. Just such a hassle in my experience. Android allows you to mount as usb storage and just drag over what you want with no restrictions.
Another item I don't like is the enclosed battery. If the battery in my Nexus dies, I can swap it out for a back up battery. When my battery reaches end of life, I can just buy a new battery. I believe Apple requires you to send the phone to them and pay a substantial fee to have the battery replaced.
Additionally, you have the antenna problem which was supposedly fixed by free cases. And you are limited to only the Apps that Apple approves.
512mb of internal storage is a small amount, but music and other data can be stored on the microSD card. 32Gb microSD cards are readily available and 16Gb cards are really becoming affordable.
I personally think that the iphone has good hardware and easy-to-use software, but the idea that Apple/AT&T limit what you can do with your device is a deal breaker. Why should anybody be able to tell me which music I can listen to, which PCs I can sync to, or which apps I can install on my phone.
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Yeah that's the thing I don't like about the iPhone. Everything about iTunes. But that's just the only thing, in everything else, I Like the iPhone.
PS. I had experience before in jailbreaking the iPhone so I can make it very customizeable. But when I would get the iPhone I wont jb it right away, well not for about 2 months.
Then again, ya Can root the n1, which I need help for frg83d, and install cm.
So for both phones the customization is basically the same.
So which phone should I get, the iPhone 4 or the nexus one?
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Right now, the Ipwn 4 ... in a few months - dual core Tegra2 Androids with Gingerbread.
Shivammcool said:
So which phone should I get, the iPhone 4 or the nexus one?
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I say Nexus, but obviously, I am not quite objective. Really, if you want to stand out in a crowd... How many iPhone 4's have you seen out in the wild? 10, 20, 50? How many Nexus's have you seen? Personally, I have never seen anyone else with a Nexus One. People ask me all the time what kind of phone I have...
iPhone 4 is a very good phone. I just don't think that it buys you much compared to a Nexus... Front Camera? Cooler Design? Slightly Crisper screen? More accessories and apps? Not worth those few improvements for me to go through the hassle of using itunes and having to switch phones, get accustomed to a new OS, get new apps, ect.
I just don't see why you should switch unless you have the bug to get something new. Why don't you wait until CES and see if any new Android phones are coming out? At least wait until Gingerbread comes out and see if that changes your mind.
No way am I going to tell you to get an iPhone... But then again, I have never used one long term...
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My Nexus is reliable. I can't say that about iPhones, also, Android is the best mobile OS by far for multitasking
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I'd personally have to give that award to webOS
tech338 said:
I say Nexus, but obviously, I am not quite objective. Really, if you want to stand out in a crowd... How many iPhone 4's have you seen out in the wild? 10, 20, 50? How many Nexus's have you seen? Personally, I have never seen anyone else with a Nexus One. People ask me all the time what kind of phone I have...
iPhone 4 is a very good phone. I just don't think that it buys you much compared to a Nexus... Front Camera? Cooler Design? Slightly Crisper screen? More accessories and apps? Not worth those few improvements for me to go through the hassle of using itunes and having to switch phones, get accustomed to a new OS, get new apps, ect.
I just don't see why you should switch unless you have the bug to get something new. Why don't you wait until CES and see if any new Android phones are coming out? At least wait until Gingerbread comes out and see if that changes your mind.
No way am I going to tell you to get an iPhone... But then again, I have never used one long term...
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I pretty much agree with this post. Either way--iOS or Android--I'd definitely wait until the next model (Tegra-based Android or iPhone 5).
I attend a fairly large school (around 20,000 students) and have yet to see another Nexus One. It is nice to be different.
Also, although screen size is certainly personal preference, the 3.5" iPhone screen is starting to look a bit cramped compared to 4/4.3" screens. Having used the 3.5" iPhone 3G, the 3.7" Nexus, and the 4" Samsung Vibrant (each for several months or more), I can say that an extra half inch or more can make quite a bit of difference.
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I pretty much agree with this post. Either way--iOS or Android--I'd definitely wait until the next model (Tegra-based Android or iPhone 5).
I attend a fairly large school (around 20,000 students) and have yet to see another Nexus One. It is nice to be different.
Also, although screen size is certainly personal preference, the 3.5" iPhone screen is starting to look a bit cramped compared to 4/4.3" screens. Having used the 3.5" iPhone 3G, the 3.7" Nexus, and the 4" Samsung Vibrant (each for several months or more), I can say that an extra half inch or more can make quite a bit of difference.
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Yeh I guess.
I like being the only one with a nexus.
If I have to wait for the next Gen phone I might not have enough money. I could get an unlocked or Rogers (yeah I'm in Canada) iphone 4 for a cheap price.
And think about it, the next gen might not be that good. When I was going to by the n1 people was telling me to wait for the iPhone 4 or other phones but little did they no that the n1 could rival with the best phones that are out now
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I will try to help you a little since i have both phones.
Nexus One:
- goods:
- Android with all it comes (easy to customize, real multi tasking between applications, widgets, etc)
- bigger screen
- easy to install custom ROM's
- a lot of applications (most of them free or with free versions)
- good network signal
- you can use it as USB mass storage
- good picture quality
- Flash support in browser
- text re-flow support in browser
- good music player
- music sounds better than on the iPhone
- bads:
- sometimes it becomes sluggy, it feels like it needs a restart.
- with the default firmware, the ringtone sound is a little weak. There are situations when you will not hear it (ie: when it is in your pocket in its case and there is some noise around).
iPhone4:
- cons:
- very nice design
- a lot of applications (most of them not free)
- good battery life
- front camera
- good quality for pictures and movies
- good music player
- bads:
- connection problems (yes it is true, if you are not holding it right you will have signal loses and calls dropped)
- you will have to use iTunes for everything (you can not copy music or films on the device and just play them, you have to synchronize them through iTunes)
- you can not use the device as USB mass storage
- no real multi tasking. For a lot of games or applications if you get out of it to check something else, when you go back it will start again.
- very intrusive notification system. They always are in your way. If you are playing a game or reading a website and a notification pops up you are interrupted. And as i said above, this makes some application to restart from the beginning
- the default internet browser misses flash support and text re-flow
- the camera interface has no settings (you can not stop the sound, change the picture format, or anything else)
- no file browser
- the settings interface looks for me more complicated than on Android
- the sound quality is not that good
Of course, everything above reflects my personal experience and opinions. You can always search on google for some comparisons and choose whatever you thinks it is better for you.
dancat said:
I will try to help you a little since i have both phones.
Nexus One:
- goods:
- Android with all it comes (easy to customize, real multi tasking between applications, widgets, etc)
- bigger screen
- easy to install custom ROM's
- a lot of applications (most of them free or with free versions)
- good network signal
- you can use it as USB mass storage
- good picture quality
- Flash support in browser
- text re-flow support in browser
- good music player
- music sounds better than on the iPhone
- bads:
- sometimes it becomes sluggy, it feels like it needs a restart.
- with the default firmware, the ringtone sound is a little weak. There are situations when you will not hear it (ie: when it is in your pocket in its case and there is some noise around).
iPhone4:
- cons:
- very nice design
- a lot of applications (most of them not free)
- good battery life
- front camera
- good quality for pictures and movies
- good music player
- bads:
- connection problems (yes it is true, if you are not holding it right you will have signal loses and calls dropped)
- you will have to use iTunes for everything (you can not copy music or films on the device and just play them, you have to synchronize them through iTunes)
- you can not use the device as USB mass storage
- no real multi tasking. For a lot of games or applications if you get out of it to check something else, when you go back it will start again.
- very intrusive notification system. They always are in your way. If you are playing a game or reading a website and a notification pops up you are interrupted. And as i said above, this makes some application to restart from the beginning
- the default internet browser misses flash support and text re-flow
- the camera interface has no settings (you can not stop the sound, change the picture format, or anything else)
- no file browser
- the settings interface looks for me more complicated than on Android
- the sound quality is not that good
Of course, everything above reflects my personal experience and opinions. You can always search on google for some comparisons and choose whatever you thinks it is better for you.
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Padfone or G-Nexus-7 combination
I've been using a SIM-free (unlocked and rooted) Motorola Atrix 4G with the lapdock everyday as my "daily-driver" phone/laptop solution since April of last year. I used the webtop, and later on, a modded version of Gentoo with Google Docs and Libre Office to get things done. I work at a university, so if I need something other than regular office software, I just use one of the hundreds of workstations I have access to on our campuses-- I've never experienced the so-called limitations that the lapdock+phone combo presents, and the fact that I ride very crowded trains in Tokyo precludes me from bringing my $1500+ laptop around everyday.
So when the Asus Padfone came out, I was sure that this would be my upgrade path! A phone that goes into a tablet that clips onto a keyboard. Brilliant! But hang on-- now there's the Nexus 7... Pure Google, and OPEN... That plus a Galaxy-Nexus... hmmmmm.... Could that also do the trick??
Well, there's always "let's wait and see a few more months..." But the obvious happened a week ago-- my Atrix's screen gave up the ghost... Sure I can plug it into HDMI, and use the lapdock just fine, but I can't use it as a phone... GRRRR!! Oh, and check out my location to the left-- I live in JAPAN, but I travel a lot, and go back to the US every year; actually, I'm going home in a week for a month!! So I NEED a phone either just before I go, or when I get there....
REQUIREMENTS:
- SIM Free (unlocked): I travel. A lot. Internationally. I needs my unlock!
- Multi-band support: Japan uses 2100MHz for HSPA+, and so does most of Asia. The US is 850, 1900, 1700... I'd like to find a phone that supports both of these... The Padfone will only support the Asian frequency, but nothing in the States-- I'd be stuck on 2G back home for a month... I can tolerate that though because I'll at least have AT&T hotspot support. The G-Nexus of course has a PENTABAND 3G radio (why the F don't other phones <other than the iPhone> have this same radio?!) so it'll work with whatever network I throw at it.
- Open bootloader/Rooted: One of the things I really enjoyed about my Atrix was being able to tweak tweak tweak. The Nexus devices don't need an explanation here-- They're designed to root and tweak. The Padfone can be rooted now--but it's bootloader is locked... But with the exotic tweaks made to get the tablet and phone UI to work, I doubt I'd use a custom ROM anyhow.
- Tablet/Phone combo: I got spoiled by my Atrix. Being able to use a physical keyboard to respond to an incoming text message is really habit-forming. Especially if I need to type it in Japanese. Of course the Padfone would win here... Not sure if there's an app that lets you see the text and MMSs on a phone through a tablet though. The other obvious thing here is that the Padphone *IS* the tablet, once docked into the PadStation. No tethering, no separate data plan, no hotspot needed. The G-Nexus-7 combo would see me tethering the G-Nex to the Nex-7. Is there a simple app that can make an on-demand data connection between the two happen at will?
- Updates: This is what pissed me off about Motorola. The OG Atrix's Tegra 2 processor can more than handle ICS, but here it is almost 6 months later, and nothing. Luckily I can get Kang builds, but certain things just don't work for me--for example Chrome crashes ALL the time. Camera sucks, etc. Hence, I'm over using another Moto device. Obviously the Nexus duo will ALWAYS get the latest and greatest; no-brainer there. Asus? The TF series got their updates to ICS within the first 3 months IIRC. Since Jelly Bean is just a point update, perhaps the Padfone will see an update in the fall sometime--I can live with that.
- Ease of use: Not the OS, but the physical pieces... The G-Nex-7 combo is easy in the way that both are able to use the same charger (micro USB). Padfone just nests together. I like how the Padfone keyboard has USB ports and an SD card slot... Not to mentin BATTERIES galore. It's hard as hell trying to find a place to charge my phone all the time, and sometimes I'd just use the Moto's lapdock as a battery charger!
- Price: this is the kicker... The Galaxy Nexus/ Nexus 7 Combo will come out to less than US$600 when bought from the Google store. Even buying from a grey-market distributor in Taiwan, I can't buy the Padfone/PadStation/Keyboard combo for less that US$1000... I have barely that much to spend though.
Friends, I need some help deciding! Here are my pros and cons for each device as it stands today. I'm posting this in the Padfone, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7, and my old Motorola Atrix forums as well. I want some good honest and thoughtful opinions-- no haterism, flaming, or retardedness please. This is an extremely important purchase for me, and needs to be done ASAP.
As always, thank you so much for your opinions!
Your answer is in the OP. You're welcome.
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Not sure if there's an app that lets you see the text and MMSs on a phone through a tablet though
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apdroid.tabtalk
And if you need a physical keyboard you can get a compact Bluetooth one off eBay for like $35 (maybe less?)
I own the Prime. Asus is TERRIBLE with their software support. Absolutely terrible. Go with the Nexus and enjoy quality software support from Google.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apdroid.tabtalk
And if you need a physical keyboard you can get a compact Bluetooth one off eBay for like $35 (maybe less?)
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Thanx for that app tip! That's going on the "save" list. I can go to Akihabara (the famous Tokyo electronics shopping area) and get one for maybe even less--that's definitely part of my solution if I do the G-Nex-7 thing.
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I own the Prime. Asus is TERRIBLE with their software support. Absolutely terrible. Go with the Nexus and enjoy quality software support from Google.
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And I've heard about ASUS's bad support at times... One of the reasons I switched from using an HP laptop to an Apple one, was because I can walk into any Apple store worldwide and get help with it. (I'm just as mad about them suing everyone into oblivion, and I'm not that flattered with iOS the way I am with Android, but I loves me some OSX for sure.)
Keep the opinions coming y'all. Thanx!
I've owned more than enough Android devices and the thing that always leaves me disenchanted with them in the end is the update fragmentation. I have the n7 on preorder and my x2 is set to be replaced by the g-nex in August. This is just my opinion but I think it's insane that I have to keep flashing roms that may or may not have all of my hardware working correctly just to get an update. Nexus devices represent what I feel google should have done at Androids launch to combat Apple. I plan to use my n7 as an iPad alternative until Windows Surface launches and I can get a tab with fully featured office for productivity.
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nyijedi said:
I own the Prime. Asus is TERRIBLE with their software support. Absolutely terrible. Go with the Nexus and enjoy quality software support from Google.
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Ya i've been waiting for the new asus infinity to come out but i know it will never get updated and i can at least get a bluetooth keyboard or some extra keyboard hooked up to the nexus 7 and type away
Gnex + N7 combo hands down.
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Gnex + N7 combo hands down.
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Nexcellent said:
Gnex + N7 combo hands down.
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Exactly this. If for nothing else, these two solid reasons:
A GNex + a Nexus 7 are cheaper than a Padfone
And the battery on the GSM model of the GNex is excellent compared to its LTE counterpart.
Treat yourself to some delicious Jelly Bean. =]
Not to mention, you can just buy the $70 3800mAh extended battery from Seidio with NFC if you are worried about battery life, and you'll still be paying way less than the Padfone. I ordered one for my dad's Verizon GNex the other day, and will finally be able to put in his phone when he comes home on sunday, since no other battery has been good enough, even with the Gummy ROM on his phone. =[
Hmm. Good point. One of my main concerns is battery life since I'll be tethering with this combo a lot. I forgot the NFC chip is in the battery and not the body... also I wonder if NFC is compatible with the Felicia systems used here in Japan for things like train passes and e-money.... the phone I'm using now has it... not a necessity though.
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seff5677 said:
Ya i've been waiting for the new asus infinity to come out but i know it will never get updated and i can at least get a bluetooth keyboard or some extra keyboard hooked up to the nexus 7 and type away
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I wouldn't just worry about timely updates. I'd worry about decent performance. My Prime is a quad core device and it sucks total ass at playing games, browsing, and just about everything else. Constant lags and crashes. It's enraging. Do yourself a favor and stay away from Asus devices (the Nexus 7 will likely be different since it's a google device). You'll save yourself some huge headaches.
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I think it's incredibly odd that there is so much Asus hate yet the N7 is an Asus device itself. Performance-wise with the N7, i'd imagine apps would perform similarly to the transformer prime seeing as it uses the same processor...
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I think it's incredibly odd that there is so much Asus hate yet the N7 is an Asus device itself. Performance-wise with the N7, i'd imagine apps would perform similarly to the transformer prime seeing as it uses the same processor...
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The reason for the Asus hate is not their hardware, it's how they bloat up the OS after google passes it off to them. With the n7 Asus has nothing to do with the OS, they just make the hardware.
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So far most responses seem to support the Nexus combo.
I, however, when reading how you use your devices was thinking PadFone all the way. It seems like a better fit for you.
But just my 2 cents.
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So far most responses seem to support the Nexus combo.
I, however, when reading how you use your devices was thinking PadFone all the way. It seems like a better fit for you.
But just my 2 cents.
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The problem is, I think most of the benefits he would get from the padfone would be too minor to justify a $300-$400 price premium. And I am also not sure how well the phone part of it does by itself etc, Ive yet to check some reviews of the padfone. For all that extra money he could by himself some nice cases, screen protectors, bluetooth headsets etc. Even a pack of those little nfc coin things he might be able to put to good use.
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I think it's incredibly odd that there is so much Asus hate yet the N7 is an Asus device itself. Performance-wise with the N7, i'd imagine apps would perform similarly to the transformer prime seeing as it uses the same processor...
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Believe me, I was super pissed when word leaked that Asus was making the Nexus tablet. I'm not buying one solely for that reason. However, I do think the N7 should be okay since Google is taking care of the software instead of Asus and oversaw the hardware. Asus is completely incompetent. Google is not.
And as a Prime owner, if apps on the N7 perform similarly as the Prime, I'd suggest throwing it in the garbage. All browsers, Google Earth, tegra games - they're god awful on the Prime. Some of them are literally unusable. With that said, I'm sure apps on the N7 will run great thanks to Google.
Have I mentioned how awful Asus is?
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I also use the Atrix + Laprtock as my entire molbile solution. And this includes "real" work which needs substantial typeing and screen real estate.
For me, dropping down to 10 inch would be a killer. I have tried using 10 inch netbooks, and it is a real pain. But maybe the OP can get away with this (younger eyes on a higher res screan, perhaps smaller fingers/hands).
But no way in the world can one work like this on a 7 inch screen.
If one is using the pair for light browsing + media then I cerrtainly see the GN + N7 as a sound choice. But for a working laptop replacement, not for me. Alas I am not certain a padphone works either (though I like the concept). I would certainly be concerned about the phone itself (there are a lot of deatils in this area that do not show up in specs, ask Apple).
A shame the OP just busted his scrreen. I suspect the right answer is to wait several months.
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I also use the Atrix + Laprtock as my entire molbile solution. And this includes "real" work which needs substantial typeing and screen real estate.
For me, dropping down to 10 inch would be a killer.
But no way in the world can one work like this on a 7 inch screen.
A shame the OP just busted his scrreen. I suspect the right answer is to wait several months.
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I had exactly that same question, so I trekked over to the local electronics shop near my home here in Yokohama, and they have an Asus TF201 set up there on wifi. The tablet's dimensions are Padfone sized-- 10 inches. They also had the keydock there too, so I got to test that out as well... Wow. Color me impressed. Remember, the 10" IPS screen has more pixels and a much wider and brighter viewing angle than the Moto OG Lapdock. The keyboard was also easy to type on, and I love the fact that there are actual keys for Home, Back, Volume, Menu, Play/Pause and so on.
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So far most responses seem to support the Nexus combo.
I, however, when reading how you use your devices was thinking PadFone all the way. It seems like a better fit for you.
But just my 2 cents.
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You're right-- It does seem like a better fit to me too, the more I think of it. Going and actually futzing with the TF201 yesterday didn't help though...
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The problem is, I think most of the benefits he would get from the padfone would be too minor to justify a $300-$400 price premium. And I am also not sure how well the phone part of it does by itself etc, Ive yet to check some reviews of the padfone. For all that extra money he could by himself some nice cases, screen protectors, bluetooth headsets etc. Even a pack of those little nfc coin things he might be able to put to good use.
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The phone part did pretty well according to Anandtech and Engadget--
Bear in mind that this is supposed to be saving me the cost of getting a netbook to take to work with me everyday as well too... As far as accessories, well I already have 2 bluetooth headsets just sitting on my desk in front of me now, along with a microUSB to USB port adaptor and micro HDMI M/F cables. All this was from me using the Atrix in various situations.
And while the Nexus Duo is a powerful combo, there are 2 things that I absolutely need to have in a device for the way I work-- SD card adaptor and Ethernet Adaptor.
I work in the Media faculty at the university and also teach photojournalism classes; I also freelance a lot too, and one of the things that helps me a lot, is being able to yank my SD card out the camera, snap it into a USB card reader and plug it into the Lapdock and have the Atrix see it, mount it, and access it. I can then do whatever I need to do to the pix while sitting on the train (Did you know the Bullet Trains here all have Wifi onboard, and can be used while in tunnels? I once wrote and uploaded 2 magazine articles, pix and all while on a 3 hour train ride!) The Padfone's keyboard dock has a full sized SDXC card adapter built in...
Also, while my university has wifi almost everywhere on campus, I cannot access the secured parts of the network where we house our common files for grading and such. We can only use the PC labs, office PC pools, or the ethernet ports in the staff rooms. Currently I use a small wifi adapter in bridge mode sometimes-- of course with the SSID not broadcast. But a better solution would be to get a USB Ethernet adaptor. I know the Transformer series has this baked into their kernels-- I think the Padfone can do it too. But I need to do some checking.
Can the Nexus Duo do some/any of these? Let me know how, so I can check off the boxes!
I wouldn't touch an android or ios tablet after the specs of the Microsoft surface the other windows 8 tablet with ivy bridge processors were revealed. Im done with android on anything but my smartphone. Only thing I need to know is the batter life on those beast.
I had to do it.. It was needed specially after the iphone 5 comparison video I got a lot of pms and requests so I had both of them at home and said..why not?
Remember..this is not stock vs stock, however a ROM'd s3 but for the purpose of the video I think it works just fine
Well enjoy
http://youtu.be/yVnT-s5gzlA
Galaxy s3 is for a general population who are inclined to buy stuff form ads but have no idea what an Android is.
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I had to do it.. It was needed specially after the iphone 5 comparison video I got a lot of pms and requests so I had both of them at home and said..why not?
Remember..this is not stock vs stock, however a ROM'd s3 but for the purpose of the video I think it works just fine
Well enjoy
http://youtu.be/yVnT-s5gzlA
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Great review. Wow, the nex 4 screen looks beautiful.
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Call me superficial but I don't think I could go back to using a phone with logos on the front.
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Galaxy s3 is for a general population who are inclined to buy stuff form ads but have no idea what an Android is.
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Its not only for them. Also for the android enthusiasts. It has an unlock boot loader and great Dev support.
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If it wasn't for the nex 4 I would have gotten either an gs3 or a note2. The GS3 is definitely a decent phone. Still for the money I think the nex wins.
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Galaxy s3 is for a general population who are inclined to buy stuff form ads but have no idea what an Android is.
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SO DAMN TRUE!!!
And you see people saying oh look how fast it is, and the previous device was a nokia with flashlight or an iphone
WTH! -_-
For my two pence worth I had the s3 went back to my gnex awaiting the n4. I love just stock. Also I agree with the comment above about going back to operator logos on handsets. Its hideous. I know why they do it but its horrid. As for the s3 it was very very fast and more than enough for most but after 4 months of use and adding all my stuff to the device it did slow a bit. Not a huge amount by any means but for hard core users it was there plus I couldn't live with the dismal redraw issue when coming out of apps yo the home screen . I know the Gnex is far from perfect but besides battery life I would have the Gnex as my every day phone anytime. So I decided to go for the n4 as my main phone for the next year as it should perform just the same but look better and have a bit more use with the bigger battery although I know tests don't show it being much better. A little would do me. Anyway awesome video and thank you for taking the time to do it
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manlisten said:
Call me superficial but I don't think I could go back to using a phone with logos on the front.
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+1 on this.
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Galaxy s3 is for a general population who are inclined to buy stuff form ads but have no idea what an Android is.
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I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. For a user like myself in the states, the lack of LTE was the deciding factor for me between the GSIII and N4. I wouldn't call myself general population and I know what Android is, lol.
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Galaxy series is brilliant, but touchwiz is a piece of shyte next to stock android. Also there's no substitute for getting updates on time.
The Nex 4 looks nice, but not having a removable battery like my old EvoLTE and only having 16GB of storage without the ability to upgrade are killers for me. The GS3 development community is Legit as well. I only have 4GB left on my microSD and 3GB left on my onboard 16GB GS3. The battery and storage issues are a Fail IMHO for the Nex4. There is no way I could use it as my everyday camera, video recorder, offline music player, and document storage device. Also, when traveling out of town, you realize how much having extra batteries around makes things a whole lot easier, especially when you are using your phone as a GPS and listening to your offline music on flights (I did have the mobile battery juice device when I had the EvoLTE but it really didn't help).
I use Nova Launcher and HD Widgets so no need for TouchWiz. I will say the Sense and TouchWiz Calendar and Appointments look and function way better than the stock Android Calendar.
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That is truly one of the most ignorant statements I've seen on xda in quite some time...and there have been a bunch lately. Besides having more storage, LTE, removable battery, nicer camera and more options...yea, I'll stick with my "general population" phone...Lol. I had the Galaxy Nexus for a while and just left the One X for the Note 2 (similar to the S3...that's why I chimed in)...the first thing I do with any of my Android phones (this is my 6th) is change to Nova Launcher...so while pure Android had it's advantages a year or more ago, that is far from the case now with the heavy duty processors being offered in combination with these launchers. I have debloated my phone, run Nova and also have all the little motion gadgets that are actually useful that are not options on pure Google. It's nice to be able to call someone within a text conversation just by putting the phone to your face or to have the screen automatically stay on as long as you're looking at it. These are features that I actually consider highly useful in the real world. Flame away, but with today's processing power and Samsung's openness to bootloader unlocking and dev community, I actually consider pure Google to be a step backwards FOR ME.
Glad that you guys are starting to get your phones though. I canceled after I received the bo email.
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I got a SGH-I747 from Telus. Paid $0 for it.
It's "only" a dual core, but it has 2 gigs of RAM. And not a single logo on the front.
I'm running CM10 on it. With the 4.2 keyboard and camera/gallery. So maybe I don't know what Android is all about.
I might still get a N4 if Google ever allows me to buy one. But for now, I'm enjoying my S3 very much.
I can't wait for my n4 please please let it arrive this week!!
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I love my Nexus and exclusively buy Nexus brand phones ever since the Nexus S, but I wouldn't call the GS3 just a device for the general consumer. Its component sheet is very good and is still considered a high end phone several months after its release. It does have some good dev support (though Samsung could be a lot more helpful with getting more info about their processors out there) and considering many chose that device after the Galaxy Nexus failed to impress when it was finally announced. Personally I prefer stock Android but there are a couple features I wouldn't mind cherrypicking from the S3 like screenshots, tap to top, and not having the screen go to sleep when you're looking at it. Having sais that, the phone I chose is definately the right one for me and I belive it to be superior to the S3. Also it will be supported longer than the S3 from Google and the dev community.
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That's exactly what I just thought.. Though I don't have the nexus 4 right now, I will never go back to a device with a ****ty logo on the front.
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Its not only for them. Also for the android enthusiasts. It has an unlock boot loader and great Dev support.
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Yeah, no. How is that Exynos 4 without any kind of documentation treating you?
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That is truly one of the most ignorant statements I've seen on xda in quite some time...and there have been a bunch lately. Besides having more storage, LTE, removable battery, nicer camera and more options...yea, I'll stick with my "general population" phone...Lol. I had the Galaxy Nexus for a while and just left the One X for the Note 2 (similar to the S3...that's why I chimed in)...the first thing I do with any of my Android phones (this is my 6th) is change to Nova Launcher...so while pure Android had it's advantages a year or more ago, that is far from the case now with the heavy duty processors being offered in combination with these launchers. I have debloated my phone, run Nova and also have all the little motion gadgets that are actually useful that are not options on pure Google.
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i have played around with my friend's Note 2 for a whole day and i decided to install Nova to see if stock Android isn't worth it anymore. it turns out it is. Nova + Touchwiz was not as stable or fast (by that i mean touch responsiveness) as my Galaxy Nexus. i wanted to believe it since i am paying almost as much for the Nexus 4 and i really appreciate the Note 2's battery but i just wasn't convinced.
Hmmm... I've sold my SGS2 and waited for N4 but.... SOLD OUT...
This gave me more time to think about and I've realized that getting N4 was like step back to me.. Didn't want to end up like all iPhone users... Easy to break glass all around, very limited storage and non-removable battery.. I'm Not saying N4 is bad but it's Not perfect... (to me not even close to perfect...)
Android Support will be better for N4 and the Hardware is slightly better but I'm very happy with what I've got. It runs super smooth, using GO launcher, 2GB RAM makes a huge difference comparing to S3 tho.
To me GT-I9305 FTW
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Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.
Eh low resolution screen is kinda a deal breaker, anything lower than 720p is a pain to use.
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Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.
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That link doesn't have the most detailed info. I found; http://www.gsmarena.com/hp_slate_7-5317.php
Honestly disappointing screen kills it right there. The cam is better, but really I don't think 3.5mp means anything compared to a 1.2 both were good10 years ago.
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Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.
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I think the slate looks good and is more of an alternative or maybe a compromise between some of the very cheap tablets and the nexus 7.
For me the smaller battery would be the killer. HP quote 2AH where as the N7 has a 4.3AH battery with 3 hours more use available. A four hour flight to Lanzarote would be marginal with the Slate by the time you take time at the airport into account, it will be used to keep my 2 year old entertained.
The expandable storage isn't an issue for me as I have the 32GB version. Not interested in holding a tablet up to take picture, I have a phone and a camera for that. HDMI; had that on my Nokia N8 and used it once to try it, I have used dlna to stream to the telly though.
To me it looks like someone at HP has bought a N7, looks at the pros (cheap, light,size) and cons (fixed storage, no back camera) and used it as a starting point and tried to beat it. Good luck to them but I think it will suit a slightly different market to the N7.
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Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.
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It looks good... but I think you're probably right about it being too late to the game. If HP can market/advertise this as aggressively as Google has with the N7, then it might stand a chance. Google are repostioning themselves as 'content providers' - music, books, magazines - and the 'cheap-as-chips' N7 is a loss leading gateway, somewhat similar to Amazons Kindle.
Hewlett Packard are a tech company first and foremost, and don't have a similar repository of IP content that they can push to make this 'slate' a compelling purchase. In this digital age, people buy their tech based on what they can watch, read or listen to.
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Still, having said all that... it's an intriguing device... I like the microSD card slot (something sorely lacking on the N7).
If it has an easily unlockable bootloader (I don't know what HP's track record is on that), then I might consider getting one.
Rgrds,
Ged.
No GPS either.
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I had it with HP a long time ago. Laptops dropping dead all over the place for no apparent or discoverable reason. And then tech support being worse that shoving a cactus in my rear end. So no. HP is just. No.
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Screen aucks no GPS thick and ugly silver plus HP logo on there automatically kills it. The HP brand is no longer a symbol of cutting edge got to have technology. It is a symbol of a relic technology company that is holding on to its last strong hold which is server technology and enterprise.
I think it's a good timing. with N7 2.0 coming soon, ppl will consider this one as a cheap alternative to the N7 2.0 instead of the old N7.
rather be a Guinea pig and get more regular updates than to be stuck with something that will 99% of the time will never see the latest is update. plus don't have to worry about all the bloat that other companies seem to love to fill phones/tablets up with. Google has also shown even with older nexus devices they have been kept updated to atleast ICS where as other devices you could forget about it. I am sure when keylime pie comes out the nexus 7/10 will see it. how many tablets the same age or newer will see that?
like the genie off Aladdin said often imitated but never duplicated.
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I don't feel the HP Slate is anywhere near a competitor for the N7.
HP Slate 7 Android Tablet Review
Uhhh.. The Slate 7 is a stinker.
This is a quick unboxing and review of HP's latest attempt at an Android tablet.
I can't say a whole lot of good things about this tablet. I was sorely disappointed in the overall build quality. The screen was almost rubbery to the touch and it appeared to be warped and separated on the edges. The screen was odd and had almost a glazed look to it. The back camera is decent, but the front camera is not even adequate for video conferencing, let alone the occasional "selfie". The specs are sub par for the price, in my opinion. I wouldn't spend more than $99 US for a tablet like this. I have seen off brand, generic tablets that are build better. I suppose the one saving grace is the stock Jelly Bean 4.1.1. For what you would spend on this tablet ($170 US), you should jump on a Nexus 7 or a Kindle Fire HD.
This thing is starting to make the HP Touchpad look like a great success.
These are my opinions, of course.
not a bad tablet but hp customer support is pretty crap. That and the fact that there laptops are gone really bad lately.
I think if they priced it at $99 you'd have a real alternative for people don't wanna spend $200 for a quality tab. But its only $30 less than the nexus 7, with considerably weaker specs. Who wouldn't just cough up the extra cash?
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It beats the nexus 7 in all benshmarks exept gl
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It's better to look at the Fonepad.
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I was considering getting one of these, but then all the specs fell below what the Nexus 7 had in store for me so I went with the Nexus.
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Doesn't even compete just look at the specs.
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yousef8824 said:
It beats the nexus 7 in all benshmarks exept gl
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Look at the wild benchmark differences on exact same devices!! Depends on a lot what you score. So benchmarks are basically meaningless. Anyone can sacrifice battery and smoothness to put up a good score!
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No GPS either.
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Got one today. It appears it does have a GPS. It pinned me right down to my house in Google Maps.
I will say this, it doesn't seem laggy at alll. The problem is that some apps (Instagram, SiriusXM, Foursquare, UPS Mobile, Jetblue, and others) are marked incompatible in the Play Store. Apps like Twitter, Facebook, Angry Birds Friends, etc. work fine.
I'm not sure what the delimiting factor is, but it may have something to do with the resolution and how the apps were built.
Now that HTC announced a Google Edition of it's flagship phone 'HTC One',
Who is planning to sell their N4 for the One?
Price:$599 Availability: June 26th via Google Play
Full Statement for HTC: http://blog.htc.com/2013/05/htc-one-google-nexus-experience/?gb25
100% getting it, but not until it's in the UK...upgrade is end of July, out of contract in October. The Nexus 5 will have to be something special for me not to get the One
Will it be in aosp
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Will it be in aosp
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I suppose that's the $64,000 question...
http://briefmobile.com/google-announces-htc-one-google-edition
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Will it be in aosp
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I'd like to know this as well.
Also will Samsung release aosp for the s4 nexus edition?
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I want one!
I think if the one and s4 aren't in aosp that's where the nexus experience ends.
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Don't get whybit wouldn't be aosp. Isn't that what google labels as the "nexus experience? It'd bebpointless for themto sell it that way only for it to not be aosp
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If it doesnt have nexus logo on the back and onscreen buttons it is not Nexus for me. :laugh:
Might as well get the 64gb dev edition now and flash an aosp rom when it's released.
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I think if the one and s4 aren't in aosp that's where the nexus experience ends.
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Yeah I agree. the best part of nexus is the fact that there's so much development due to it being open source. If samsung/ HTC don't release the source it would be disappointing.
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I'm still planning on buying the N4 and re-evaluating my options when the Motorola X phone comes out. The N4 is just cheap enough to do that. If I dropped $600 on a phone, I'd feel like I have to keep it for a few years.
I'm definitely keeping my Nexus 4. I just love this phone too much. I'm still not clear as to why anyone would buy the Google Edition of any of these phones. If you want that phone, buy it. If you want the Nexus experience, buy a Nexus. Some will argue they want stock Android on that phone's hardware, but I don't get why.
"Expandable storage!"
Is 64gb of expandable storage really worth $300?
"Better hardware!"
Has anyone really maxed the Nexus 4 out yet? We're getting diminishing returns on our hardware nowadays. Now, I can understand future-proofing, but you could get a Nexus 4 now, and a Nexus 5 when it comes out and still be around the price you'd pay for the GE of the One.
Those are the main points. There are always things like screen, speakers, hardkeys, and heck, even location of the audio jack that could sway the decision. I just don't think those minor differences are worth doubling the price of the phone. The Nexus 4 is by far the most bang for your buck, which is why I will be staying in the Nexus line until I don't have the option to.
To each his own, I guess. Plus, with the GE of the phones, ROM developers can develop their ROMs for these phones easier I suppose. That's assuming the OEMs will release the source code for their version of stock Android, since it isn't technically AOSP. And think about it: do you think these companies are willing to release their proprietary drivers and kernels to the general public for development reasons? Maybe, but I've grown cynical over the years.
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I'm definitely keeping my Nexus 4. I just love this phone too much. I'm still not clear as to why anyone would buy the Google Edition of any of these phones. If you want that phone, buy it. If you want the Nexus experience, buy a Nexus. Some will argue they want stock Android on that phone's hardware, but I don't get why.
"Expandable storage!"
Is 64gb of expandable storage really worth $300?
"Better hardware!"
Has anyone really maxed the Nexus 4 out yet? We're getting diminishing returns on our hardware nowadays. Now, I can understand future-proofing, but you could get a Nexus 4 now, and a Nexus 5 when it comes out and still be around the price you'd pay for the GE of the One.
Those are the main points. There are always things like screen, speakers, hardkeys, and heck, even location of the audio jack that could sway the decision. I just don't think those minor differences are worth doubling the price of the phone. The Nexus 4 is by far the most bang for your buck, which is why I will be staying in the Nexus line until I don't have the option to.
To each his own, I guess. Plus, with the GE of the phones, ROM developers can develop their ROMs for these phones easier I suppose. That's assuming the OEMs will release the source code for their version of stock Android, since it isn't technically AOSP. And think about it: do you think these companies are willing to release their proprietary drivers and kernels to the general public for development reasons? Maybe, but I've grown cynical over the years.
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I agree with you 100% on all of your points. I dont know why people complain about storage. You just have to be smarter about what you have on your phone, be realistic about it. You don't need 10 HD movies and 40,000 songs and 150apps at the same time. I've been smart with my 8GB N4 and i don't regret it at all.
Yes also, the nexus 4 is worth every penny. Great hardware and software at a fraction of the price. I'm staying Nexus from now on.
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I'm definitely keeping my Nexus 4. I just love this phone too much. I'm still not clear as to why anyone would buy the Google Edition of any of these phones. If you want that phone, buy it. If you want the Nexus experience, buy a Nexus. Some will argue they want stock Android on that phone's hardware, but I don't get why.
"Expandable storage!"
Is 64gb of expandable storage really worth $300?
"Better hardware!"
Has anyone really maxed the Nexus 4 out yet? We're getting diminishing returns on our hardware nowadays. Now, I can understand future-proofing, but you could get a Nexus 4 now, and a Nexus 5 when it comes out and still be around the price you'd pay for the GE of the One.
Those are the main points. There are always things like screen, speakers, hardkeys, and heck, even location of the audio jack that could sway the decision. I just don't think those minor differences are worth doubling the price of the phone. The Nexus 4 is by far the most bang for your buck, which is why I will be staying in the Nexus line until I don't have the option to.
To each his own, I guess. Plus, with the GE of the phones, ROM developers can develop their ROMs for these phones easier I suppose. That's assuming the OEMs will release the source code for their version of stock Android, since it isn't technically AOSP. And think about it: do you think these companies are willing to release their proprietary drivers and kernels to the general public for development reasons? Maybe, but I've grown cynical over the years.
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Indont get the logic in peoplebhere saying if you want the nexus experience buy a nexus. Tunnel vision anyone? Google would fail if they labeleed these devices as "nexus '' experience and available only from playstore only to not be aosp. Where isbthere documentation that itbis NOT aosp or it won't get frequent updates lkke nexus devices? There also isn't evidence for aure thst they will get prompt updates but think about it.
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I would have loved to buy the one but since I live in Asia and not in the US, I could not. but I love the software of the camera of the one and if it isnt there, it would just have a better hardware than the nexus which I do not really find appealing since the Nexus 4 already is fast enough. expandable storage might be one to consider though.
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nfl46 said:
I'm good. I'll wait on the Nexus 5 for $299!
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If it came at tyat price I'd get it. Itll be a miracle ifn theybadded sd card support. Somenofnus take pics of their kids
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Improvements over Nexus 4
-Built material (aluminum/plastic vs glass/plastic)
-Superior front facing speakers
-Better low light camera performance
-Optical image stabilization on camera
-1080p res screen
-IR blaster (assuming it ships with API for it...don't think it's in stock android)
-capacitive buttons (giving more usable screen)
-Larger battery (2300 mAh vs 2100 mAh)
Minuses vs Nexus 4
-no wireless charging
-possibly less development support
-higher price than N4
Am I missing anything?
Not at that price. I'd consider it @ $400... maybe $450. While I like HTC's build quality and materials, it's just not much of a value for me over the N4.