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Does xperia z has oleophobic coating or any kind of coating?
From experience of xperia T, scratch easy with stock screen protector, taking off screen protector attracts finger prints and smudges. Also hard to get off unless use glass cleaner. The glass has a resistant vs oleophobic coating.
With Galaxy S3 oleophobic coating, its smooth and easy to get finger prints off without glass cleaner.
It will be a deal-breaker for me, as much as i love the design and material on xperia z.
Some kind gentleman take off screen protector and tell me how is the glass it self feels like? does it feels like the xperia T?
I dont care about which glass is stronger, i want a smooth screen without screen protector.
tvp480 said:
Does xperia z has oleophobic coating or any kind of coating?
From experience of xperia T, scratch easy with stock screen protector, taking off screen protector attracts finger prints and smudges. Also hard to get off unless use glass cleaner. The glass has a resistant vs oleophobic coating.
With Galaxy S3 oleophobic coating, its smooth and easy to get finger prints off without glass cleaner.
It will be a deal-breaker for me, as much as i love the design and material on xperia z.
Some kind gentleman take off screen protector and tell me how is the glass it self feels like? does it feels like the xperia T?
I dont care about which glass is stronger, i want a smooth screen without screen protector.
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It is the same glass. So I think it should feel about same.
Xperia Z ruined for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GzYnDnZDRg
They apply a shetterproof film on the screen. If you don't want it - you can replace it with any other screen protector - or apply a second one on it. It doesn't affect looks or screen responsivness - so what's the problem here ?
Jeez... I think I might cancel my pre-order. How could they get this so wrong?!
mwatson said:
Jeez... I think I might cancel my pre-order. How could they get this so wrong?!
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This video is about Xperia T. There is no evidence that Xperia Z is the same other than "she said so".
Also, a shatterproof film is suddenly a bad thing...i'm confused
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This video is about Xperia T. There is no evidence that Xperia Z is the same other than "she said so".
Also, a shatterproof film is suddenly a bad thing...i'm confused
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If you've been using a mobile phones which include a oleophobic coating for 5 years its quite a backwards step to use one without. The screen is the interface to the eye and the finger after all. Did you see the way that screen protector got scratched?
Personally I don't like screen protectors, for others that don't mind then all is good
Some people like salted nuts, others dry roasted. Nothing too confusing I hope! :silly:
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If you've been using a mobile phones which include a oleophobic coating for 5 years its quite a backwards step to use one without. The screen is the interface to the eye and the finger after all. Did you see the way that screen protector got scratched?
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I honestly don't care as i always use a screen protector and am quite used to them. If i can have both antishatter and antiscratch protectors on at the same time, without compromising display's clarity and responsiveness - it's even better.
Having just glass would be nice - but i don't believe in Gorilla Glass anymore. Had 3 phones with GG1/2 and they all got scratched very easily before i started to use protectors - so yeah, if you don't like screen protectors, Xperia Z might not be the best option as it most likely will scratch without one due to not-so-scratch-resistant antishatter film.
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I honestly don't care as i always use a screen protector and am quite used to them. If i can have both antishatter and antiscratch protectors on at the same time, without compromising display's clarity and responsiveness - it's even better.
Having just glass would be nice - but i don't believe in Gorilla Glass anymore. Had 3 phones with GG1/2 and they all got scratched very easily before i started to use protectors - so yeah, if you don't like screen protectors, Xperia Z might not be the best option as it most likely will scratch without one due to not-so-scratch-resistant antishatter film.
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TBH the best thing is to go into a "3" store and have a look. They already have them on display in some stores.
mwatson said:
I think I might cancel my pre-order.
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You shouldn't be on the internet if you made that decision just by that video.
brambizimski said:
You shouldn't be on the internet if you made that decision just by that video.
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You must be a school child with comments like that
If you look carefully in videos on youtube it would seem that the back of the handsets attract more prints. Perhaps the front and back use different layers on the glass.
Bare in mind these are all pre-production models.
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brambizimski said:
You shouldn't be on the internet if you made that decision just by that video.
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mwatson said:
You must be a school child with comments like that
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Guys, don't do this, seriously...
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Guys, don't do this, seriously...
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Sure.. Ended! maybe someone who has seen one in the flesh can confirm if it has one of these weird build in screen protectors on?
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Sure.. Ended! maybe someone who has seen one in the flesh can confirm if it has one of these weird build in screen protectors on?
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Yes it does have it on. You can see it here:
3 UK Hands on
I'm pretty sure that all Sony phones have had it on though.
Akiainavas said:
They apply a shetterproof film on the screen. If you don't want it - you can replace it with any other screen protector - or apply a second one on it. It doesn't affect looks or screen responsivness - so what's the problem here ?
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Screen looks and touch experience is my problem. I had both, xperia T, S3 and note 2. S3 screen looks very nice, feels very nice and smooth. I use swype, so i swipe alot. Using xperia T is nice too, but its not the same experience as oleophobic coating on it(S3).
If xperia z has the same glass as the xperia T, then its a deal breaker for me.
Hoping Xperia Z will be using a different glass and some kind of coating under that stock screen protector.
Note- I dont use screen protector, so replacing stock screen protector doesnt work for me.
Waiting patiently for a retail version Screen review.
Here's a good durability test from a different sony device. Hmmm seems pretty durable to me....
This negates the Xperia T video posted few posts back.
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Here's a good durability test from a different sony device. Hmmm seems pretty durable to me....
This negates the Xperia T video posted few posts back.
Riyal said:
Here's a good durability test from a different sony device. Hmmm seems pretty durable to me....
This negates the Xperia T video posted few posts back.
This negates the Xperia T video posted few posts back.
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note screen size and device name Xperia ACTIVE
Still note that Xperia is still Xperia. Unless Sony decides to downgrade their screen technology... And size may affect durability but not in that type of tests.
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You must be a school child with comments like that
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Come on guys, it did ruin Xperia Z for me too. BTW gorilla glass's purpose is to prevent shattering. Oleophobic layer is done above it and that catches scratches. Same vlogger did a detail video explaining Gorilla Glass's myths of being scratch proof.
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From all the prototype xperia z, it seem like it uses the same screen as xperia T. Hopefully it doesnt use the same screen as xperia T. I had both phone and xperia T is disappointing. If its the same screen then its a deal-breaker. Still waiting for retail, Somehow xperia z upgrade there phone, dont put on stock protector and put a layer of oleophobic on it, they they score gold. If not, then lots of people will be disappointing, unless your a screen protector type.
So I am planning on buying this magnificent phone but did some thinking while i was showering. Got all these text messages and tempted to text back in the shower. Since the Xperia Z is nearly made out of glass materials; according to Sony viet, I've been wondering is the same thing going to happen to the Xperia Z like the Nexus 4?
For those who already owns the Xperia Z:
It would be a huge problem for those who will have to do imports from another country. How durable are these glass? It can survive heights but how about sudden temperature change?
and one more question, there's no point applying screen protectors if you plan on getting the phone wet right?
As far as I know the Xperia Z's glass should be a bit more durable than the Nexus 4's, but until it hits the market in more countries we won't really know. I'd be surprised if the glass would crack because of temperature changes though.
Applying an extra screenprotector on top of the shatter-proof sheet shouldn't be a problem. It might loosen faster if it gets wet but I don't think you'll notice much difference.
The only difference between them is that Nexus uses Gorilla Glass, and Sony uses tempered glass. As great as Gorilla Glass is, it's hardened properties don't make it temperature resistant. The process of glass tempering, in theory, makes it resistant to sudden temperature changes - they use the same technology to make glass for ovens etc. So I think it shouldn't happen with Xperia, but we'll never know unless somebody takes time and money to make a test.
Screen protectors shouldn't be bothered by water. If they're static, then they'll stay on. Those that use glue might start to peel off after a while.
Ambroos said:
As far as I know the Xperia Z's glass should be a bit more durable than the Nexus 4's, but until it hits the market in more countries we won't really know. I'd be surprised if the glass would crack because of temperature changes though.
Applying an extra screenprotector on top of the shatter-proof sheet shouldn't be a problem. It might loosen faster if it gets wet but I don't think you'll notice much difference.
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Just wondering, have you tried taking it to the shower with you? lol
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The only difference between them is that Nexus uses Gorilla Glass, and Sony uses tempered glass. As great as Gorilla Glass is, it's hardened properties don't make it temperature resistant. The process of glass tempering, in theory, makes it resistant to sudden temperature changes - they use the same technology to make glass for ovens etc. So I think it shouldn't happen with Xperia, but we'll never know unless somebody takes time and money to make a test.
Screen protectors shouldn't be bothered by water. If they're static, then they'll stay on. Those that use glue might start to peel off after a while.
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well according to that link, the back glass of the Z is made out of Gorilla glass, and the front is made out of Dragontrail.
I forgot where i read it from, some Sony employee stated that the front and the back uses the same glass. >_____>
Accordingly the glass front of the Xperia Z Dragontrail glasses of Japanese with tremendous strength capacity of about 60kg or sharp objects directly on the screen. On the back of a click-toughened Gorilla Glass scratch-resistant and finally the other components of the body using Polycarbonate material and fiberglass (glass fiber polymer) normal 300 times more durable plastic.
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Just wondering, have you tried taking it to the shower with you? lol
well according to that link, the back glass of the Z is made out of Gorilla glass, and the front is made out of Dragontrail.
I forgot where i read it from, some Sony employee stated that the front and the back uses the same glass. >_____>
Accordingly the glass front of the Xperia Z Dragontrail glasses of Japanese with tremendous strength capacity of about 60kg or sharp objects directly on the screen. On the back of a click-toughened Gorilla Glass scratch-resistant and finally the other components of the body using Polycarbonate material and fiberglass (glass fiber polymer) normal 300 times more durable plastic.
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http://www.eprice.com.hk/mobile/talk/4551/49606/1/rv/sony-xperia-z-L36h-review/
If those are genuine Sony slides, than we finally have a confirmation:
Front: Dragontrail Glass
Back: Gorilla Glass
Sides: Polycarbonate
Body: Glass Fiber Polyamide
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Just wondering, have you tried taking it to the shower with you? lol
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Nope, not yet I have washed it in the sink a few times and it just ain't bothered by any water! It's a very, very weird feeling and part of my brain was screaming "Nooooooooooo!" but it's all fine
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http://www.eprice.com.hk/mobile/talk/4551/49606/1/rv/sony-xperia-z-L36h-review/
If those are genuine Sony slides, than we finally have a confirmation:
Front: Dragontrail Glass
Back: Gorilla Glass
Sides: Polycarbonate
Body: Glass Fiber Polyamide
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Why would they have gorilla on the back and dragontrail on the front though?
Isn't Nexus 4 gorilla on the back or is that some kind of weaker glass? (Was thinking about the crackings due to sudden changes in temp)
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Why would they have gorilla on the back and dragontrail on the front though?
Isn't Nexus 4 gorilla on the back or is that some kind of weaker glass? (Was thinking about the crackings due to sudden changes in temp)
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No idea. Heard that Nexus 4's back is not gorilla glass though. Also, Nexus 4 wasn't the first phone to use glass back, and this problem seems to be bugging mostly Nexus 4 users ( not often found in any other brand ) so maybe it's some kind of LG specific defect.
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No idea. Heard that Nexus 4's back is not gorilla glass though. Also, Nexus 4 wasn't the first phone to use glass back, and this problem seems to be bugging mostly Nexus 4 users ( not often found in any other brand ) so maybe it's some kind of LG specific defect.
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I have a faint memory about the back not being gorilla on nexus 4 and now that you mention it i haven't hear anything about other phones with cracks (except iphones but they're meant to break just by looking at it..)
I have spoken to a Sony Rep and apparently Sony uses Gorilla Glass 2 as well as DragonTrail. Devices will come with either one installed. (you might have the front panel made of GG2 and back from DT) and consumers will not have a choice of the glass used. The back panel of the phone has an additional layer on the glass which provides some glare effect (so that could be the layer that is being scratched and not the actual glass). On the front there will be a screen protector preinstalled.
Users will not have an option to select the glass used in their phone, so we will either have GG2 or DT on the front and either GG2 or DT on the back. I think that this should also clarify the on going debate about which glass is used in Xperia Z.
Omg that's so bad. Might have to hold back on this one.
I still don't understand why Sony would do such a thing. Wouldn't it be easier for them to use both DT? Or are they cheaping out on the glass?
May I ask which sony you asked? Europe? Hong Kong?
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Omg that's so bad. Might have to hold back on this one.
I still don't understand why Sony would do such a thing. Wouldn't it be easier for them to use both DT? Or are they cheaping out on the glass?
May I ask which sony you asked? Europe? Hong Kong?
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I am from Poland and I spoke to official Sony rep. I got his number from a Sony Store in Poznan, Poland after I asked them if I could do a scratch test on their display device in store
Sv: [Q] Xperia Z Dragontrail, Gorilla Glass, Polycarbonate, glass fiber
I was concerned about the glass on the Nexus 4 until I dropped it once and then a couple more times... so far it is intact... in my opinion Sony has far bettef manufacturing than LG but will see what happens. Phonewise I am not impressed by the Nexus 4 but for tha price you cannot complain ...
Skickat från min Nexus 4
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I have spoken to a Sony Rep and apparently Sony uses Gorilla Glass 2 as well as DragonTrail. Devices will come with either one installed. (you might have the front panel made of GG2 and back from DT) and consumers will not have a choice of the glass used. The back panel of the phone has an additional layer on the glass which provides some glare effect (so that could be the layer that is being scratched and not the actual glass). On the front there will be a screen protector preinstalled.
Users will not have an option to select the glass used in their phone, so we will either have GG2 or DT on the front and either GG2 or DT on the back. I think that this should also clarify the on going debate about which glass is used in Xperia Z.
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I don't think you can use two types of glass like that, with one device getting one or another... XZ wouldn't be certified for release ( by the likes of FCC etc ) if that were true. You need to provide one, particular specification for each device to be allowed to even release it on the market. You could file a class law suit for selling randomly inferior devices as the same model and for the same price - Sony certainly wouldn't do that. There might be some regional differences, but it's certainly not GG or DT at random. I think they might have made a mistake or didn't know this at all.
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I don't think you can use two types of glass like that, with one device getting one or another... XZ wouldn't be certified for release ( by the likes of FCC etc ) if that were true. You need to provide one, particular specification for each device to be allowed to even release it on the market. You could file a class law suit for selling randomly inferior devices as the same model and for the same price - Sony certainly wouldn't do that. There might be some regional differences, but it's certainly not GG or DT at random. I think they might have made a mistake or didn't know this at all.
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Why would the FCC give a crap what glass is used? They are a communications regulator not a design regulator.
It is highly unlikely that the glass would cause communication issues, or interference with other electronics
Hi,
Is it usefull to add a Foil on the Foil from Sony? Or is it Possible when it is too much Damaged, Replace/Let it Replace ? Or is it to expensive?
What is the best way, to handle it for future Scratches
It's best to apply the 2nd screen protector that Sony gives you in the box. The one that comes pre-installed is the anti-shatter film, it's not that scratch resistant and it's not replaceable. Protect it and the screen with another screen protector - and then replace it when needed. It won't affect your screen's visibility or responsiveness and you'll be protected from both scratches and shattering.
Can you advise a good screen protector? None in the box.
Please check out the accessories section. Plenty suggestions there.
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Yep, was just about to say "right, there is the accessories section", but too late
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Can you advise a good screen protector? None in the box.
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I've always used Brando. Can't say anything about XZ protectors though as I'm using those provided by Sony - and they're great so far, both the front and the back.
Spigen and atFolix create very good protectors, atFolix gave me 6 (3 front and back) at a lower price however! Shop around on Amazon, or invest in the Glas.t
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The"shatterproof" film is useless. It only prevents the glass from splintering into various pieces if it happens to break. It won't strengthen the glass or prevent breakage. I've since removed the film on my phone and the screen's colours have improved significantly, as well as the touch response.
Sony
Hi,
i just asked Sony how much would a "Repair" cost.
They said about 25 € but for the exact Price i must asks their Repair Firms
The Response ist
Firm1: Not They only Replair Hardware, a Scrath on the Foil is no Hardware error
Firm2: Sony Experia Z is so new, they dont know how its done, so i have to send it to them, they will have a look, and then tell me how much it will cost....
Since its a Work Handy, Vodavon Replaces Business Handys for 35 €.
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Hi,
i just asked Sony how much would a "Repair" cost.
They said about 25 € but for the exact Price i must asks their Repair Firms
The Response ist
Firm1: Not They only Replair Hardware, a Scrath on the Foil is no Hardware error
Firm2: Sony Experia Z is so new, they dont know how its done, so i have to send it to them, they will have a look, and then tell me how much it will cost....
Since its a Work Handy, Vodavon Replaces Business Handys for 35 €.
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Bs.
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re: Useless?
Sepulture said:
The"shatterproof" film is useless. It only prevents the glass from splintering into various pieces if it happens to break. It won't strengthen the glass or prevent breakage. I've since removed the film on my phone and the screen's colours have improved significantly, as well as the touch response.
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I don't know about useless. Any small item that abraides or scratches the glass (like a piece of sand on your table) weakens it and makes it easier to break later. The screen protector has more "give", so the it won't scratch - and if it does, then you just replace it. If the glass scratches then, well, you're screwed.
It's interesting that everyone is noticing the "built in" screen protector as if it's something new, though. It's very common among Japanese manufacturers (as is waterproofing, btw.), and my older Sharp phones had it as well.
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I don't know about useless. Any small item that abraides or scratches the glass (like a piece of sand on your table) weakens it and makes it easier to break later. The screen protector has more "give", so the it won't scratch - and if it does, then you just replace it. If the glass scratches then, well, you're screwed.
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It's useless in the sense that it does not help to strengthen the display glass of the phone at all, it only prevents the glass from shattering all over if it does indeed break. Its marketed term "anti-shatter" or "shatterproof" Is misleading.
Of course, I wouldn't recommend removing the film if you don't intend to apply a screen protector. Not unless you're not bothered about scratches. The "anti-shatter" film isn't intended to be a screen protector. So the best course of action would be to remove the film and apply a screen protector of your choice.
Respect that it's your opinion, but certainly not a "best course of action".
The anti-shatter film placed on the Xperia Z is applicated using a heat treament. As the film cools it contracts and provides an additional "stiffness" against the "brittleness" of the glass, all while remaining slightly soft itself. As such, the kinetic energy from any sharp impacts is slightly dispersed, increasing the chance - slim as it is - that the screen won't shatter.
If anything, "it would be advisable" to leave the film on and place a screen protector over it.
I'm in doubt buy a protective film to use the Xperia Z, but I'm afraid to lose touch sensitivity and screen brightness too!
The anti-shatter that comes standard is very easy to scratch? I mean just scratch with normal use of the fingers!
On my Xperia S, the original film it was only scratching with normal use! I removed the film and left without!
But the Xperia Z to remove the film, the Sony comes out soon too and I did not want to lose it!
1) You left without anti-shatter film, only with him or bought another protective film?
2) Someone found to sell a new film with the logo of Sony?
You could remove the file to give it a cleaner look and then you can put on a screen protector that doesn't scratch like spigen ultra thin screen protector. But if you don't want to lose the logo put another screen protector on top. You won't lose screen responsiveness unless you get really bad quality screen protectors.
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I bought Zagg Invisible Shield, is it good?
I have a minimal scratch on the back , used the phone very carefully but I don't know how I got it ( it's very small but it is) so it's scratches very quick ( at least in my case ) so I bought a film for the back. I will buy for the front too , but I will wait a little bit cause here in my stupid country we don't have alternatives
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I bought Zagg Invisible Shield, is it good?
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Is it good? I'm wondering about replacements for mine.
I am interested in changing from my z3c to Xperia X Performance or just X.
But I have some concerns about camera lenses. The last two xperia phones (Arc S and current Z3C) I had did have terrible lenses. Not glass, or gorilla glass or some equivalent so it would get scratched and damaged very fast. I had it replaced on my Z3C.
Wonder if anyone knows if its a different story this time? Thanks
Not sure what the lens or the protective glass is made of. However, I keep my Z3C in the back pocket all the time without taking any special care since about 1.5 years without any damage whatsoever... Certainly not a common issue you're having.
Well it's not that uncommon. There is a YouTube video were they test phone lenses to scratch resistance. Samsung, iPhone, LG i think, have it in glass. Sony have it made from plastic scratches very easily. And it's more like air or moisture trapped between the layers in the lense protection that causes problems. Just Google images z3 compact scratches and you will see it pretty common.