Hi. Im a noob i know. I checked the forums. But i did not find what i was looking for.
So. Its really annoying, everytime i clear my ram then in less than 15 seconds its full again. Which drains my battery and takes ages to charge. With this i get overheating. My battery heats ut self up to 60c° and the screen is nearly untouchable as it burns. I use a fan and it cools it down to 33c°. Any help?
Repcak3 said:
Hi. Im a noob i know. I checked the forums. But i did not find what i was looking for.
So. Its really annoying, everytime i clear my ram then in less than 15 seconds its full again. Which drains my battery and takes ages to charge. With this i get overheating. My battery heats ut self up to 60c° and the screen is nearly untouchable as it burns. I use a fan and it cools it down to 33c°. Any help?
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Use this or this & block unnecessary apps frm loading during boot time..which rom u r using & which kernel?
are you rooted? if not the do that first and install titanium and remove u wanted apps
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I have the latest rocketrom and hydracore kernel
May be do a full format and flash the rom again.
Full ram isn't always wasted. Its not like a windows pc.
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Full ram isn't always wasted. Its not like a windows pc.
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yes. But it drains my battery and makes my phone really hot. Ill maybe just have to go and look for software thatll stop my apps from restarting as soon as i clear RAM. Thanks for help though
Repcak3 said:
yes. But it drains my battery and makes my phone really hot. Ill maybe just have to go and look for software thatll stop my apps from restarting as soon as i clear RAM. Thanks for help though
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no, that's wrong. Clearing the RAM and forcing all the apps to load from scratch is heating the phone and wasting the battery!
The heat is generated by the CPU and the WiFi chip, NOT the RAM!
Android (and most Unix systems) use all available RAM to run more efficiently. It's not a power waste due to using the RAM in a very different way to Windows systems. I can't remember where I read it now, but an Android developer (either at Google or elsewhere) explains this better than me, but this is the general summary.
Short version: DO NOT USE RAM CLEANERS, Android is MEANT to use all available RAM, the CPU is heating the phone BECAUSE it has to load things from scratch rather than pull from RAM.
edit to add: even when something has outrun its usefullness (old program still in RAM, for example) then Android has a very good built-in cleanup system that unloads programs that have not been run for a while. This means that you don't even need to kill old programs that you no longer need!
Repcak3 said:
everytime i clear my ram then in less than 15 seconds its full again. Which drains my battery and takes ages to charge. With this i get overheating. My battery heats ut self up to 60c° and the screen is nearly untouchable as it burns. I use a fan and it cools it down to 33c°. Any help?
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Actually hte system uses the unused ram to cache other apps so they open faster when you need them..soeven though you clear the ram,it gets full after sometime.You need not worry about that because android can manage it well
And using some task killers could cause you battery drain and even leads to heat your phone
Try formating and reflash the rom
Let's go the crazy analogy route, 'cos they're always fun!
Say you're listening to music on some CDs. You have, say 5 CDs and on each CD there are a only couple of songs you want to listen to, so on a HiFi you'd have to keep switching CDs to get your play list. Let's say that they are also your favourite songs so you play them frequently. Let's call these top 5 songs "Messaging", "Gallery", "Camera", "Phone" and "Music".
So, you rip the CDs to MP3 and create a playlist. The songs are all strung together and they load and play significantly faster than switching discs repeatedly. This is what Android does with programs in RAM. To change between "Messaging" and "Phone" you just double click the file.
Now, you use a task killer to clean your RAM: What you have just done is delete all the MP3s from your computer, put the CDs back in their cases and put the cases back on the shelf. When you next go to play one of your frequently played songs you now have to go to the shelf, find the CD, put the CD in the drive, wait for it to load, then play the song.
Clearly the former is more efficient. The MP3s are not wasting power by being there, they're cached and pre-loaded so they load much more efficiently next time. Clearing everything away and reloading from scratch is much more processor intensive and that is what is generating that heat.
Thanks guys. Its not heating anymore. Thanks for all the help. You guys all get a thanks button clicked
You learn something new everyday. I actually didn't know about the specific way Android deals with ram. I've always cleared ram in the device settings in Airdroid (wifi file transfer app). Never get any battery drain/heatup issues though, but good to know about this, and will now refrain from being OC with clearing ram
First of all I would like to say that I have searched the forums and Google but to no avail. Hence I am starting this thread.
First of all the RAM, the free RAM on 4.3 (stock .205) is awful, sometimes I am down to about 70mb even after a clean boot I have around 250-300mb free. This is ****, my 2011 Xperia had better RAM management. Is there anything that can be done to fix this or does anyone know what uses so much RAM (I have de-bloated the ROM and have minimal apps, none of which eat significant RAM).
Secondly battery drain, whenever the alarm (stock Sony app) is on I get horrible battery drain and the android os uses excess mobile data which causes the battery drain (device never deep sleeps). It is a very annoying issue that I haven't been able to fix, I typically lose between 23%-30% over night at a rate of ~3% per hour.
What do you guys think? Any suggestions?
Any input is appreciated.
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First of all I would like to say that I have searched the forums and Google but to no avail. Hence I am starting this thread.
First of all the RAM, the free RAM on 4.3 (stock .205) is awful, sometimes I am down to about 70mb even after a clean boot I have around 250-300mb free. This is ****, my 2011 Xperia had better RAM management. Is there anything that can be done to fix this or does anyone know what uses so much RAM (I have de-bloated the ROM and have minimal apps, none of which eat significant RAM).
Secondly battery drain, whenever the alarm (stock Sony app) is on I get horrible battery drain and the android os uses excess mobile data which causes the battery drain (device never deep sleeps). It is a very annoying issue that I haven't been able to fix, I typically lose between 23%-30% over night at a rate of ~3% per hour.
What do you guys think? Any suggestions?
Any input is appreciated.
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Wow, free RAM under 70 mb maybe u should check all of your running apps, each apps have a different memory usage and there is one app with much memory usage, and as we know, the bloatware is also use the memory even though they are not using it. When i'm on stock, i had never get free RAM under 150 mb, my phone is rooted and i'm using root uninstaller app to freeze some bloatware apps and uninstall them :good:
ShinOrochiX said:
First of all I would like to say that I have searched the forums and Google but to no avail. Hence I am starting this thread.
First of all the RAM, the free RAM on 4.3 (stock .205) is awful, sometimes I am down to about 70mb even after a clean boot I have around 250-300mb free. This is ****, my 2011 Xperia had better RAM management. Is there anything that can be done to fix this or does anyone know what uses so much RAM (I have de-bloated the ROM and have minimal apps, none of which eat significant RAM).
Secondly battery drain, whenever the alarm (stock Sony app) is on I get horrible battery drain and the android os uses excess mobile data which causes the battery drain (device never deep sleeps). It is a very annoying issue that I haven't been able to fix, I typically lose between 23%-30% over night at a rate of ~3% per hour.
What do you guys think? Any suggestions?
Any input is appreciated.
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The RAM issue is a pretty common issue with our SP.
You can try some different custom ROMs in the development thread (Out of the ones I've tried OmniRom seems to have the most free RAM so far). Also, if you have root and you don'y want to remain on the stock ROM, try using Greenify for apps you don't want to constantly run.
WLD (wakelock detector) is another app you can install to see what apps are misbehaving and destroying your battery life
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The RAM issue is a pretty common issue with our SP.
You can try some different custom ROMs in the development thread (Out of the ones I've tried OmniRom seems to have the most free RAM so far). Also, if you have root and you don'y want to remain on the stock ROM, try using Greenify for apps you don't want to constantly run.
WLD (wakelock detector) is another app you can install to see what apps are misbehaving and destroying your battery life
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Yeah, I tried some ROMs, including eXistenZ but to no avail. As for the battery issue it has something to do with the alarm/google play services/android os, but the funny thing is that eXistenZ does not have the battery drain.
You might check what xposed framework can bring you. Has some nice add-ons to handle wakelocks in a better (w.r.t battery life) way
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I'm not an expert, but I'm under the impression that "unused RAM is wasted RAM" and therefore high RAM usage does not imply that there is a problem (in fact it implies there isn't)
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I'm not an expert, but I'm under the impression that "unused RAM is wasted RAM" and therefore high RAM usage does not imply that there is a problem (in fact it implies there isn't)
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You are correct but the ram management is atrocious on the s6. Can't even go back and forth and between apps right away. Frustrating as bell with lots of apps I use. Wish I returned my s6 and stuck with note4 awhile longer.
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I'm not an expert, but I'm under the impression that "unused RAM is wasted RAM" and therefore high RAM usage does not imply that there is a problem (in fact it implies there isn't)
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While in theory this seems right... but RAM should not be used, especially at such a high amount with nothing running; for battery and smoothness sake. RAM of this caliber should be idle and quickly used when things are launched. Furthermore apps in RAM shouldnt have to be relaunched and slowed down by RAM, the whole RAM situation is ****ed.
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You are correct but the ram management is atrocious on the s6. Can't even go back and forth and between apps right away. Frustrating as bell with lots of apps I use. Wish I returned my s6 and stuck with note4 awhile longer.
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This totally makes sense.. my point wasn't that RAM management isn't poor but rather that RAM used/available isn't the right metric to be looking at.
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RAM should not be used, especially at such a high amount with nothing running; for battery and smoothness sake.
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Really? No seriously REALLY? Would you rather that crap gets cached on the storage? Ram should not be used is probably my all time favorite quote now. Ram management is poor yes but it using around 85% ram is a good thing, any modern day operating system should do this, especially android for reasons that should be pretty clear.
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Really? No seriously REALLY? Would you rather that crap gets cached on the storage? Ram should not be used is probably my all time favorite quote now. Ram management is poor yes but it using around 85% ram is a good thing, any modern day operating system should do this, especially android for reasons that should be pretty clear.
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Makes sense... Let me open AutoCAD on my computer which chews 16GB of RAM, close it out, and then have 99% RAM usage because of caching; on my modern day operating system. /s
While I understand RAM Management as a big issue, Im saying RAM should not be at 85% with NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, running. Android shouldn't be any different, not EVERYTHING gets kept in volatile space until you reboot or just so happen to go back to that one thing that could sit there cached for days.
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Makes sense... Let me open AutoCAD on my computer which chews 16GB of RAM, close it out, and then have 99% RAM usage because of caching; on my modern day operating system. /s
While I understand RAM Management as a big issue, Im saying RAM should not be at 85% with NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, running. Android shouldn't be any different, not EVERYTHING gets kept in volatile space until you reboot or just so happen to go back to that one thing that could sit there cached for days.
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If you are using a app that uses 16gb of ram chances are you have 32GB of ram, so windows would use what 10% of the ram with nothing running? Get where I'm going with this? When I say 85% is good I mean if you have 3 or 4gb of ram. Ram management is the only culprit here. My g3 used the same amount of ram and worked just fine. I should have been clearer sorry.
It using most of the RAM isn't a bad thing. It just has to manage what is being used, better. After running 5.1.1. In my use I have noticed that it's more agressive. Apps are constantly reloading when sometimes I switch to one app and then go back to the one I was previously using. On top of that when I go back to my home screen the icons and weather clock widget have to reload as well. I've got hope that this issue is resolved either officially via Samsung or the great people on this forum.
FatalIll said:
Makes sense... Let me open AutoCAD on my computer which chews 16GB of RAM, close it out, and then have 99% RAM usage because of caching; on my modern day operating system. /s
While I understand RAM Management as a big issue, Im saying RAM should not be at 85% with NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, running. Android shouldn't be any different, not EVERYTHING gets kept in volatile space until you reboot or just so happen to go back to that one thing that could sit there cached for days.
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I think the thing most people miss is that there is NEVER nothing open. I can reboot my phone right now, and within 10 seconds of booting there is over 30 apps in memory, usually 40 or more. Touchwiz is awful, there is so much crap that runs and since something depends on it you cant disable or remove it. And, lets face it. There is something wrong with the S6 in particular. Im not saying its hardware, but something isn't right. Maybe it's because its arm64, maybe it's the new octo processor. Only Samsung really knows.
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If you are using a app that uses 16gb of ram chances are you have 32GB of ram, so windows would use what 10% of the ram with nothing running? Get where I'm going with this? When I say 85% is good I mean if you have 3 or 4gb of ram. Ram management is the only culprit here. My g3 used the same amount of ram and worked just fine. I should have been clearer sorry.
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Youre right, the way Android handles memory is a bit different than a PC. 85% being used is typical across most devices with 3gb of ram. The problem is that even with 2-300mb free (literally free, not counting cached) the S6 takes a huge hit in performance. Which is why Samsung set memory management so aggressive. I think it can be fixed, but I don't expect Samsung to do it.
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It using most of the RAM isn't a bad thing. It just has to manage what is being used, better. After running 5.1.1. In my use I have noticed that it's more agressive. Apps are constantly reloading when sometimes I switch to one app and then go back to the one I was previously using. On top of that when I go back to my home screen the icons and weather clock widget have to reload as well. I've got hope that this issue is resolved either officially via Samsung or the great people on this forum.
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Don't get me started on 5.1.1. Wait til other variants start getting it and more people see how much more aggressive Samsung set memory management. It's a nightmare. I've spent 3 days, probably 20+ hours trying different dha settings and nothing works except very very aggressive values. It's ****.
Unused ram is bad when I use apps they get the ram they need. I have apps OPEN, plenty are open right now and I have half used by the system the other 1.5 gigs half is used by my current apps the other half of that is empty. Nothing is wrong a bunch of you need to understand that unused resources is bad, the system lets go of cached processes when an active processes needs ram again nothing is wrong. This is the same line of thinking people use with task killers just to see a higher amount of empty ram and slowing down their system thinking its faster because they see a higher % of free ram.
This is the best phone I have ever had and I always own the next big flagship every 3-6 months everyone is saying there is a performance issues. Where? Please show me because I dont see it dual screen multitasking is smooth as butter I never close a single app. Right now I have netflix, need for speed, unblock me, google maps, email, camera, web browser, my-tmobile, a live wallpaper, s health, youtube in my active app list and my hotspot is currently on. What are you all going on about??? I came from an iphone 6 with one gig of ram and I saw ram issues daily I had to be conscious of leaving apps running,not with this phone.
lonewolf5460 said:
Unused ram is bad when I use apps they get the ram they need. I have apps OPEN, plenty are open right now and I have half used by the system the other 1.5 gigs half is used by my current apps the other half of that is empty. Nothing is wrong a bunch of you need to understand that unused resources is bad, the system lets go of cached processes when an active processes needs ram again nothing is wrong. This is the same line of thinking people use with task killers just to see a higher amount of empty ram and slowing down their system thinking its faster because they see a higher % of free ram.
This is the best phone I have ever had and I always own the next big flagship every 3-6 months everyone is saying there is a performance issues. Where? Please show me because I dont see it dual screen multitasking is smooth as butter I never close a single app. Right now I have netflix, need for speed, unblock me, google maps, email, camera, web browser, my-tmobile, a live wallpaper, s health, youtube in my active app list and my hotspot is currently on. What are you all going on about???
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LOL. And every one of those apps reloads when you switch to it.
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LOL. And every one of those apps reloads when you switch to it.
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I only noticed one that really does that the play store, I really have not lost my place in many apps. I think its up to app programers to fix that though because only certain apps have that issue. My games stay where they were the internet app just refreshes my last page, youtube is still on the video I have not finished since this morning, netflix is still where I left it.
lonewolf5460 said:
I only noticed one that really does that the play store, I really have not lost my place in many apps. I think its up to app programers to fix that though because only certain apps have that issue.
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Unfortunately oom adj values are assigned to apps by services.jar. doesn't matter what app developers do, Samsung places priority on their own stuff. If you haven't tweaked any memory stuff and you're honestly able to switch between all that stuff you have a special device. We haven't all been freaking out about the crappy memory management for nothing, I assure you.
mikeyinid said:
Unfortunately oom adj values are assigned to apps by services.jar. doesn't matter what app developers do, Samsung places priority on their own stuff. If you haven't tweaked any memory stuff and you're honestly able to switch between all that stuff you have a special device. We haven't all been freaking out about the crappy memory management for nothing, I assure you.
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I hear you, I wish I had time to make a video to show you guys. I just have a lot of the stock apps disabled on the latest OTA update. Maybe it is happening frequntly with apps I dont use. 5.1.1 fixed all my problems with this phone which was mostly battery related the idle battery life is actually normal now. I think I can legit get two days out of one charge now with light use, I am at 74% since this morning I am going to sleep and leaving it off the charger tonight so I will see soon. I just know that plague inc and the play store is the only ones that loses its place for me.
I did flash 5.1.1 over a rom and it kept the hotspot hack from that rom so maybe it kept the roms memory tweaks as well. If thats the case I am not touching this phone anymore and keeping it as is.
lonewolf5460 said:
I hear you, I wish I had time to make a video to show you guys. I just have a lot of the stock apps disabled on the latest OTA update. Maybe it is happening frequntly with apps I dont use. 5.1.1 fixed all my problems with this phone which was mostly battery related the idle battery life is actually normal now. I think I can legit get two days out of one charge now with light use, I am at 74% since this morning I am going to sleep and leaving it off the charger tonight so I will see soon. I just know that plague inc and the play store is the only ones that loses its place for me.
I did flash 5.1.1 over a rom and it kept the hotspot hack from that rom so maybe it kept the roms memory tweaks as well. If thats the case I am not touching this phone anymore and keeping it as is.
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There's no way anything from the ROM is left. Especially if you updated via Odin. If the hot spot hack is still working it could be because you didn't wipe data, only possible explanation. As far as batter life goes, I've always consistently lost less than .25% an hour, pre and post update. I sleep 8ish hours a night and never lose more than 2%. Which is astonishing considering the size of the battery in this phone, and the CPU.
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There's no way anything from the ROM is left. Especially if you updated via Odin. If the hot spot hack is still working it could be because you didn't wipe data, only possible explanation. As far as batter life goes, I've always consistently lost less than .25% an hour, pre and post update. I sleep 8ish hours a night and never lose more than 2%. Which is astonishing considering the size of the battery in this phone, and the CPU.
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My phone left alone burn up battery before the last update. I used odin and yes it left my apps and settings, ringtones, themes ect and i dont know why and the hotspot hack is very much working at 23 gigs last check. I restored 5.0.1 on odin said it failed but booted and root was missing then updated anyways. I wished my battery was that good before the update now I got 2 days 7 hours off charger with 3 hours 40 minutes screen on with 13% left on my last charge.
I've only been really using my S6A for a few months, and in that time it has been getting exponentially slower, now to the point that it lags several seconds before showing the home screen. Upon checking the stats, I noticed that the RAM was almost topped out, and even a ram cleaner couldn't keep more that 200Mb free. I've heard this may be a problem with touchwiz, but I'm curious, is it really a common problem, and is there a fix? P.S. I only have two user apps running in the background, and they usually take up 50Mb of RAM between them, so it's not that.
My old Samsung galaxy express had an issue like this to the extent where I got annoyed and switched to the moto g3. If you use any app such as clean master, you may think it works, but it actually doesn't help, it makes performance worse.my suggestion is to uninstall any cleaner apps if you have any and restart your device.
Hi so I keep noticing my RAM begins to run low after a couple days. I sit around 2 or below free with no apps open.
Is this how the phone operates normally? I have nearly every app put to sleep when not using under the batter settings.
What's your available RAM after a few days?
Thanks
Completly normal situation. That how Ram memory works. You will not fell better perfomence seeing more free ram, but you feel boost when ram is used. (to start app quicker)
WelldonePL said:
Completly normal situation. That how Ram memory works. You will not fell better perfomence seeing more free ram, but you feel boost when ram is used. (to start app quicker)
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I see. Thanks for the clarification. Ive been going through all settings to try and"fix." Glad it's normal. Phone def seems fast.
If you want to free ram just reboot phone
I usually see between 3 and 4.1 ram available, I have setup auto reboot in the device care, my ram used to be consistently about 4 available until the last update.
daveparki said:
I usually see between 3 and 4.1 ram available, I have setup auto reboot in the device care, my ram used to be consistently about 4 available until the last update.
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How often do you reboot?
Set it up for once a week as you can only have once but you can also setup auto optimisation and have this every other day