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Is it necessary to charge my phone for 8 hrs?

Is it really necessary to charge my phone for 8 hrs before the first use? I just got my phone and i dont know whether or not charge for 8 hrs or just use it right out of the box. thanks guys!

It's not 'necessary', your phone won't brink if you don't do it.
However, if you condition your battery - charge for 8 hours on first use and then drain it until it's dead, and repeat 2 or 3 times, the battery will have a much better life and useage time (in my experience). This is because all batteries have memory, even ones that say they don't.

xconradx said:
It's not 'necessary', your phone won't brink if you don't do it.
However, if you condition your battery - charge for 8 hours on first use and then drain it until it's dead, and repeat 2 or 3 times, the battery will have a much better life and useage time (in my experience). This is because all batteries have memory, even ones that say they don't.
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Are you sure what you are talking able? Li-ion don't have memory effect. And if fact "A stand-alone Li-ion cell must never be discharged below a certain voltage to avoid irreversible damage." (quote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery)

so its not necessary? im confused what did everyone else do when you first received your phone?

I work in the business... I'm sure.
First off, wikipedia is not the most reliable source. Second, your phone won't let you discharge your battery that far, it will shut off long before the battery gets that dead. Lithium Ion batterys can lack the 'memory effect' (effect being the keyword), but they do have memory.
Either way, no need to get up in arms about it. Just charge your phone up all the way, use it till the kaiser tells you to recharge, something like "Replace or recharge your battery to avoid data loss". It's like 10 or 15 percent. When you get there plug it in and charge it all the way up.
You arnt going to hurt your battery as posted above. Correct, if you get way too low you may have issues (why batteries go dead when they sit for a long time), but your kaiser won't let that happen. It will shut itself off first.

xconradx said:
I work in the business... I'm sure.
First off, wikipedia is not the most reliable source. Second, your phone won't let you discharge your battery that far, it will shut off long before the battery gets that dead. Lithium Ion batterys can lack the 'memory effect' (effect being the keyword), but they do have memory.
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Thanks for the info. If they don't have the effect, then what's that memory going to hurt us?

jackleung said:
Thanks for the info. If they don't have the effect, then what's that memory going to hurt us?
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I'm not completely sure what you are asking... but...
The memory won't hurt you. True, you could probably take it right out of the box and use it however you wanted. The memory just helps tell the battery know when it's completely full (to switch to trickle charging if supported by the application), or when it's dead and in danger.
I'm too lazy to try and explain it, so I copied this... I should have refered to it earlier as "digital memory" earlier because it's not at all the same as NiCAD memory which is what most people understand - hope this clarifies.
From - http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
"Although lithium-ion is memory-free in terms of performance deterioration, batteries with fuel gauges exhibit what engineers refer to as "digital memory". Here is the reason: Short discharges with subsequent recharges do not provide the periodic calibration needed to synchronize the fuel gauge with the battery's state-of-charge. A deliberate full discharge and recharge every 30 charges corrects this problem. Letting the battery run down to the cut-off point in the equipment will do this. If ignored, the fuel gauge will become increasingly less accurate." ...
"Batteries with fuel gauge (laptops, *cell phone {added by me}) should be calibrated by applying a deliberate full discharge once every 30 charges. Running the pack down in the equipment does this. If ignored, the fuel gauge will become increasingly less accurate and in some cases cut off the device prematurely. "
Hope this helps. There is a reason why the manufacturer recommends this. Battery performance as well as the accuracy of your gauge can somewhat depend on this sort of conditioning. This is the reason you may see your battery gauge go up after a restart, or when you charge your phone it may say 90% one second and 100% a few later.
Regardless, this is a crash course in batteries.

Anyone Have a Battery Discharge App???

i am one of those anal people who likes to keep his battery in good condition by always letting it empty completely before recharging and i have noticed alot that i run into a situation where i need the phone fully charged for some reasion or another but dont have the time to sit around with all the nic's turned on waiting for it to die. i have seen a battery discharge feature on some devices that will rapidly drain the battery to 0 so it doesent develope memory when you plug it back in i was wondering if anyone has made one of these for the raphael?? any links would be apreciated.
i have already rtfw'ed and searched everyone seems so obsesed with prolonging battery life not draining it so i have had no luck

You are actually doing more damage to the battery draining it all the way then if you'd just charge it when you can if you are indeed doing this every single time.
All HTC devices use a Li-ion (Lithium Ion) battery, which do not get a charge memory in the cells like rechargeable batteries of yesteryear.
Instead their life cycle is based on number of discharges and recharges and the batteries age. If you're needlessly discharging your battery and recharging it, you are dramatically shortening it's life.
You should read up...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion#Advantages
...they may be irreversibly damaged if discharged below a certain voltage.
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Like many rechargeable batteries, lithium-ion batteries should be charged early and often.
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Lithium-ion batteries should not be frequently fully discharged and recharged ("deep-cycled"), but this may be necessary after about every 30th recharge to recalibrate any electronic charge monitor (e.g. a battery meter). This allows the monitoring electronics to more accurately estimate battery charge.
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It is clearly stated in the Fuze manual that it is SUGGESTED that you fully discharge your battery and fully recharge to get the most out of it.

thanks for the advice i will look into it but i would still apreciate someone answering my origional question as to wether or not anyone has actually made one of these apps

PwnCakes193 said:
It is clearly stated in the Fuze manual that it is SUGGESTED that you fully discharge your battery and fully recharge to get the most out of it.
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This is almost certainly suggested so the battery meter maintains a good calibration. As GldRush points out, you are not doing any damage to the battery or shortening its life by short-cycling it. You could also harm it by deep-cycling it. Allowing the phone to go to 0% is not, however, deep-cycling the battery. For the phone, 0% is the point at which the operating voltage of the battery has dropped to a level that is approaching the lower limit for the board set (with a safety factor included). That's almost certainly nowhere near a discharge level that could damage the battery.
So if you want to let/make your phone go to 0% before every charge you are probably wasting your time (except for the slight benefit of frequent battery meter calibration), but also probably not harming the battery.

After the 2nd battery warning notification comes up, I end up just launching youtube and running a video. The use of 3g coupled with video playback gives me an auto shutdown of the unit with 5 mins or so.

Turn on the GPS. That should drain it in less than an hour.

I haven't seen any discharge apps but I do know that the biggest battery vampire is palringo...start palringo and join a group with a lot of members and your battery will drain at least 20% in about 10 minutes...even if there are no conversations going on you will still get a dramatic battery drain running palringo in the background

Haha, or use an older version of S2U That drains your battery like crazy too.

Way to discharge a full battery within an hour:
- Start Wifi and let it stay on (no need to connect).
- Start Bluetooth and keep it on (also no need to connect).
- Open Google maps and let it use GPS
- Put Google maps in the background and start playing Teeter.

it's almostly no necessary......

mikeloeven said:
i am one of those anal people who likes to keep his battery in good condition by always letting it empty completely before recharging and i have noticed alot that i run into a situation where i need the phone fully charged for some reasion or another but dont have the time to sit around with all the nic's turned on waiting for it to die. i have seen a battery discharge feature on some devices that will rapidly drain the battery to 0 so it doesent develope memory when you plug it back in i was wondering if anyone has made one of these for the raphael?? any links would be apreciated.
i have already rtfw'ed and searched everyone seems so obsesed with prolonging battery life not draining it so i have had no luck
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These batteries actually get hurt by completely discharging - you're not supposed to do that - you'll kill the battery by bringing it down to 0% too often..
(but to answer you - that's easy.. turn it on.. this phone's a battery hog..)
-m

There's an interesting artice in The Reg about lithium battery maintenance (albeit more related to netbook and laptop batteries).
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/05/07/beginners_battery_maintenance/

not needed, but just run palringo and google maps while listening to music streamed from di.fm in Kinoma. (pretty much what I run day in and out )

Try the following link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=516458

Jouke74 said:
Way to discharge a full battery within an hour:
- Start Wifi and let it stay on (no need to connect).
- Start Bluetooth and keep it on (also no need to connect).
- Open Google maps and let it use GPS
- Put Google maps in the background and start playing Teeter.
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this works for me

Phone Died at 50% Power.

Here I was, just using BlinkFeed, doing a bit of web browsing... I didn't have the battery's state in my mind, as I saw a half-full icon on the top right. Suddenly, beep, scrolly animation, cutoff. What? I rebooted the phone while tethered to power after waiting for the blinking orange LED to glow steady, and opened my task manager app, which also tracks battery life. It had died at around 50%. I've read other threads of people's battery things being ill-calibrated and missing 10-20%... but 50%? Really?
But then again, I haven't normally been charging the device fully. The same task manager reports 100% power being 4.3 volts, and I've read that 4.3 volts on a li-poly chemistry reduces its useful life by 50% when compared to 4.2 volts, so I've typically been charging to 80-85%. But I've had this happen several times, and I do charge to 100% after it does happen. I wouldn't think that 5-10 incomplete charge cycles like this would be enough to throw the gauge off so drastically.
This, in addition to the perpetual-suiciding problem my phone has had since the second-to-most-recent minor OTA Sprint update...

Wipe battery stats?
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flyboy21141 said:
Here I was, just using BlinkFeed, doing a bit of web browsing... I didn't have the battery's state in my mind, as I saw a half-full icon on the top right. Suddenly, beep, scrolly animation, cutoff. What? I rebooted the phone while tethered to power after waiting for the blinking orange LED to glow steady, and opened my task manager app, which also tracks battery life. It had died at around 50%. I've read other threads of people's battery things being ill-calibrated and missing 10-20%... but 50%? Really?
But then again, I haven't normally been charging the device fully. The same task manager reports 100% power being 4.3 volts, and I've read that 4.3 volts on a li-poly chemistry reduces its useful life by 50% when compared to 4.2 volts, so I've typically been charging to 80-85%. But I've had this happen several times, and I do charge to 100% after it does happen. I wouldn't think that 5-10 incomplete charge cycles like this would be enough to throw the gauge off so drastically.
This, in addition to the perpetual-suiciding problem my phone has had since the second-to-most-recent minor OTA Sprint update...
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The battery stats have nothing to do with battery life. They are just statistics used to diagnose. Lithium ion batteries also do not have a memory and don't really need calibrating. The type of issue you are having stems from one of two things; Bad charger or bad batter. Bad batter would most likely be something straight from the mfr. Bad charger would be obvious. Try using the standard HTC charger in a wall outlet only for a few days or a week and see if it happens again. Sometimes this could be a one time thing meaning what I call a "bad charge." It will go away after a "good charge." Just eliminate variables by using the same charger in the wall every time and charge for the same amount of time and if the problem goes away in a week then you have your answer : )
Btw i'm a long time Sprint tech and I specialize in battery life. Just in case you need educated advice.

After the phone-death that I captured above, I charged the device to 100%, and then left it to drain until death again. It lasted about two days with very light use, dying when it reported 10%, again with zero warning other than the ~15% low battery indication. I know that deep-cycling these batteries isn't healthy for them, but it seems to me that the cycle helped a bit.
However, I do still feel concern about the reported full-charge voltage, ~4.3 volts. Does such a voltage not severely reduce the number of cycles the battery can go through in its lifetime? Also, what is supposed to be the cutoff voltage for this battery chemistry? I thought it could go down to ~3.0 volts? My phone seems to be cutting off at a reported 3.5 volts.
That, and my perpetual-suiciding problem. Though, I'm about to encounter a change of scenery that will take me downtown, so I'll hold off on complaining more about that until I see whether or not the signal strength influences that.

[Q] Weird Issue, phone auto shutdown when the battery is like 5% on Lollipop ?

My XT1092, recently got updated to Lollipop i.e. Android 5.0
Two of my battery runs, starting from 100% full charge came down to like 5% and the phone shut down automatically as if it was 0%
Also on a side note, i did not put any mode on the battery saver mode for those two runs.
Now to test it, i kept my battery saver to start at 5% but i am not sure if it will run at 5% or just shut down
Anyone got an idea/solution for this issue ??
P.S. Even Motorola care chat, does not have an answer, all they said is to keep my phone in safe mode for a day and check it out....

Mine just did this the other day. When I pressed the power button it showed the battery with a little red fill and a huge yellow triangle with an exclamation mark in it. Also happened last night.

I have also had the same issue xt1092 and on lollipop.

well...
yea man, so the thing is motorola support said that, keep ur phone in safe mode for a day and recheck the issue...
so idk... :/
i am checking my battery use and for now i have kept my battery saver on 5% so i hope it starts on battery saver itself.. rather than shutting down...

My XT1095 does the same thing. Really annoying! Its really lying to you about how much battery is left if its going to do that. I just know that if i'm going below 10% i better run to find a charger ASAP!

M3drvr said:
My XT1095 does the same thing. Really annoying! Its really lying to you about how much battery is left if its going to do that. I just know that if i'm going below 10% i better run to find a charger ASAP!
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it is quite misleading to say the least..
i did not have this issue with KitKat though..
might be a lollipop thing only

I'll join this list. Really annoying, and never happened on 4.4.4

I've never let my battery get that low honestly, but...
Keep in mind that your battery percentage is completely an estimate. Battery capacity is measured in mAh, but there's no way to measure the current charge capacity in mAh of a battery. The only way to do so would be to run all of the power out of the battery and record the power over time, but then you'd have a dead battery. As a result, the system estimates your remaining battery capacity as a percentage based on the current voltage of the battery. But that can be different depending upon how quickly you've drained the battery and other factors.

So, Android has methods built-in which automatically calibrate the battery, but they only work properly if you fully charge and discharge your device on a regular basis. A battery starts off weak, then it gains strength after a few charging cycles, finally over time it peaks and then begins to taper off as far as battery life goes.
You've likely not taken your device to 0% for a while. The android solution is to fully discharge and recharge your battery a few times to allow it to recalibrate. Slow charging is the best for recalibration. Plug it into a computer for 500mAh charging rather than using a charger. Chargers can charge quicker(1.5A) but do not allow the device to calibrate as well due to the high amperage.
So, just use your device and let it drain fully, and charge fully on a computer USB port and it should recalibrate itself.

InspectifierWrectifier said:
So, Android has methods built-in which automatically calibrate the battery, but they only work properly if you fully charge and discharge your device on a regular basis. A battery starts off weak, then it gains strength after a few charging cycles, finally over time it peaks and then begins to taper off as far as battery life goes.
You've likely not taken your device to 0% for a while. The android solution is to fully discharge and recharge your battery a few times to allow it to recalibrate. Slow charging is the best for recalibration. Plug it into a computer for 500mAh charging rather than using a charger. Chargers can charge quicker(1.5A) but do not allow the device to calibrate as well due to the high amperage.
So, just use your device and let it drain fully, and charge fully on a computer USB port and it should recalibrate itself.
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While it does help the calibration, it's very bad for your battery to do this deep discharge multiple times.

raptir said:
I've never let my battery get that low honestly, but...
Keep in mind that your battery percentage is completely an estimate. Battery capacity is measured in mAh, but there's no way to measure the current charge capacity in mAh of a battery. The only way to do so would be to run all of the power out of the battery and record the power over time, but then you'd have a dead battery. As a result, the system estimates your remaining battery capacity as a percentage based on the current voltage of the battery. But that can be different depending upon how quickly you've drained the battery and other factors.
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Sometimes you don't have a choice about letting battery drain get that far.
But regardless, its most definitely an issue with lollipop. Uncountable android devices, and this is the first time I've ever experienced this issue. Happens religiously at 5%. So its never happened before on any device I've used, including this moto x pure on KitKat, and it always happens at 5%.
If it were a true calibration issue, one would think it'd happen at different percentages. However I'm certain this is a bug.

qwerty12601 said:
Sometimes you don't have a choice about letting battery drain get that far.
But regardless, its most definitely an issue with lollipop. Uncountable android devices, and this is the first time I've ever experienced this issue. Happens religiously at 5%. So its never happened before on any device I've used, including this moto x pure on KitKat, and it always happens at 5%.
If it were a true calibration issue, one would think it'd happen at different percentages. However I'm certain this is a bug.
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I understand that you don't always have a choice, I just meant that I have no insight as to the possible bug since I've never experienced it. And to clarify, it's not really a "calibration" issue, it's a matter of there is no way to accurately measure the charge of the battery.
Honestly, Google could have even implemented this intentionally in order to prevent damage to the battery from a deep discharge.

raptir said:
I understand that you don't always have a choice, I just meant that I have no insight as to the possible bug since I've never experienced it. And to clarify, it's not really a "calibration" issue, it's a matter of there is no way to accurately measure the charge of the battery.
Honestly, Google could have even implemented this intentionally in order to prevent damage to the battery from a deep discharge.
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But android has been completely accurate in the past. Right down to 1 single percent.
And there's no way google implemented this as a safety feature. If they were legitimately trying to do this, they'd just have the battery monitor read less than actual capacity as to not confuse the operator.
As well as they have what they believed to be a big feature, "battery saver" which has the option to activate at 5%. So them killing your phone at 5% intentionally doesn't hold water.

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But android has been completely accurate in the past. Right down to 1 single percent.
And there's no way google implemented this as a safety feature. If they were legitimately trying to do this, they'd just have the battery monitor read less than actual capacity as to not confuse the operator.
As well as they have what they believed to be a big feature, "battery saver" which has the option to activate at 5%. So them killing your phone at 5% intentionally doesn't hold water.
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No it hasn't. It may not have shut down until after it read 1%, but it has not been accurate because there is no accurate way to measure the current charge of a battery.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_measure_state_of_charge
The fact that it consistently shuts down at 5% does seem like a bug, but it's a very odd bug since it seems like there would have to be some code to specifically tell the phone to shut down.

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No it hasn't. It may not have shut down until after it read 1%, but it has not been accurate because there is no accurate way to measure the current charge of a battery.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_measure_state_of_charge
The fact that it consistently shuts down at 5% does seem like a bug, but it's a very odd bug since it seems like there would have to be some code to specifically tell the phone to shut down.
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Every android device I've owned, probably 12, including the 3 still in service with me (moto x before lollipop, nexus 7, nexus 4) all have accurate battery meters right down to 1%. Now are they adjusting on the fly and lowering/raising battery percent to accurately match calculations? Probably. But it adjusts to where the battery meter will read down to the very last percent. No surprises.
The whole point of this thread us that some moto x pures are shutting down at 5%. Maybe the battery really is at 0%, maybe its at 5 or 10%, but its a "bug" that the phone is shutting off at 5%. Its rather a flaw in on the fly calculations where its not accurately adjusting at lower percentages, or a software flaw. But it's a bug either way. That's the complaint here.

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Honestly, Google could have even implemented this intentionally in order to prevent damage to the battery from a deep discharge.
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That is was Microsoft did with their Surface tablets, you can change it, I have mine set to power off at 10%

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While it does help the calibration, it's very bad for your battery to do this deep discharge multiple times.
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Wrong. this is the recommended way to use every mobile phone battery. A full charge and discharge is called a cycle, and cycles are how battery lives are rated.

InspectifierWrectifier said:
Wrong. this is the recommended way to use every mobile phone battery. A full charge and discharge is called a cycle, and cycles are how battery lives are rated.
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Please don't just post "wrong" without anything to back it up.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Table 2 provides details as to why what I said is correct. A 50% discharge will not degrade to 70% capacity for 3-4x as many cycles as a 100% discharge. That amounts to up to double the useful life of the battery assuming your usage stays the same.

InspectifierWrectifier said:
Wrong. this is the recommended way to use every mobile phone battery. A full charge and discharge is called a cycle, and cycles are how battery lives are rated.
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Have fun killing your battery very quickly by fully discharging all the time

raptir said:
Please don't just post "wrong" without anything to back it up.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Table 2 provides details as to why what I said is correct. A 50% discharge will not degrade to 70% capacity for 3-4x as many cycles as a 100% discharge. That amounts to up to double the useful life of the battery assuming your usage stays the same.
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Mobile device batteries are designed to be "fully" depleted. They are software controlled. You will never discharge a properly controlled battery 100%. This is why your device still has power to turn on and tell you that the battery is too low to turn on.
There are always exceptions to the rule. However, mainstream devices will almost always keep the battery at a safe level.
You cannot use a single chart on all lithium ion batteries. In fact, every one is different due to chemical and annode/cathode changes. This is why every battery has its own MDS for shipping purposes.
The small changes to batteries cause them to react differently to different usage patterns. When designing a battery these reaction patterns are supposed to be accounted for in the battery calibration.
A key engineering principal: a device should never be capable of destroying itself. Full discharge is normal operation for most devices.

Question Pixel 7 not charging all the way up

my new pixel 7 does not charge all the way up during the night, it usually stops at 40-50%
I'm using a 5v 2A charger and high quality cable (already tried swapping them ).
Do you think it could be an hardware default ?

Power if off and charge.
If it still shows 50% charge return it.
Not acceptable, especially if the actual SOT reflects that.

Nytronx said:
my new pixel 7 does not charge all the way up during the night, it usually stops at 40-50%
I'm using a 5v 2A charger and high quality cable (already tried swapping them ).
Do you think it could be an hardware default ?
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Did you try turning off adaptive charging?

hi
turn off the adaptive charging

I would return it immediately before you pass the window. I wanted to return mine for fingerprint reader issues, but I waited too long and now my only option is to swap it for a refurb device which is less than ideal.

Thats a good thing. Charging the battery to 100% stresses the battery, as does completely discharging it and reduces the longevity of the battery. I have mine set by ACCA to only charge to 90% and turn off at 5%.

gorilla p said:
Thats a good thing. Charging the battery to 100% stresses the battery, as does completely discharging it and reduces the longevity of the battery. I have mine set by ACCA to only charge to 90% and turn off at 5%.
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Bump that low to at least 20% especially if you fast charge. It's the higher current load/temperature at the first 20% that causes the stress. It's important the battery is at least 72F at charge start, preferably 82-90F to avoid Li plating which will permanently degrade the cell if it occurs.
I aim for 40-80% usage range. That said on this heavily used device I expect about a 1.5 year battery life. Replacing batteries is just part of routine maintenance, no big deal.
While I always fast charge however I do midrange power cycling, what Li's prefer; it's less stressful. I'll frequently do 20% amounts too. What's convenient for me at the time. Rarely go above 90% as it's rather pointless and disproportionally increases charging time vs usage time.

Yeah, my current setup isnt perfect, but it avoids the extreme stresses while still offering me a charge for a full day.
However, my phones have only ever seen a 5% shutdown on a few occasions so there is no need to set a hard cutoff at 20%. It rarely gets that low and if it does, its because I cant charge it.
Typically I charge it in the car on way home from work, then when I go to bed. So the cycle throughout the day still is pretty ideal.
90->40%->65%->40%->90%

gorilla p said:
Yeah, my current setup isnt perfect, but it avoids the extreme stresses while still offering me a charge for a full day.
However, my phones have only ever seen a 5% shutdown on a few occasions so there is no need to set a hard cutoff at 20%. It rarely gets that low and if it does, its because I cant charge it.
Typically I charge it in the car on way home from work, then when I go to bed. So the cycle throughout the day still is pretty ideal.
90->40%->65%->40%->90%
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If you resign yourself to changing out the battery when it's degraded (80% of its original capacity) it's not a big deal.
A battery failure is a big deal though; one I had came close to damaging the display on my N10+. That battery was degraded, lasted less then 1.5 years. I got lucky that time... not going to push my luck again especially over a cheap repair like a battery replacement.