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HTC pushes back Android Eclair update again [link]? Also questions on ROMs! TIA!

http://www.androidspin.com/2010/03/12/android-2-1-for-htc-hero-now-due-in-april/
i'm a n00b to the Android scene and my question is: does this affect the ability to update cooked ROMs here or do people here just work off 2.1 from a different phone... and does that create more hurdles than if the ROM were 'made for Hero' i.e. any unique handset dependencies, etc?
I'm in this dichotomy stage right now where I've read upteen hundred interviews, reviews, posts, comparisons, etc. of HTC Hero and Samsung Moment, and still can't decide, but am leaning to the Hero because of the excellent development that goes on here and because of Sense, even though I'm really yearning for that snappier processor, AMOLED screen, etc., I can't justify it if development is lukewarm compared to here and it seems updated ROMs for Moment are sketchy at best, in terms of getting full functionality out of the handset.
What I don't get is this... you folks here (devs, enthusiasts, etc), are constantly building new roms, but are they derivative of cupcake, or eclair? More so, despite whatever Sprint and HTC do or don't do (as it seems HTC is more concerned w/ the rollout of Desire), can I still get my 2.1 Eclair fix here, albeit original Sense, and is it mostly bug free/usable as a day phone w/o losing any *features* that I would get from a Sprint Stock Cupcake Hero?
I have a half mind to wait for a Sprint Snapdragon but no telling when that will be plus I can get a Hero for $60 now w/ free activation, and a Moment for the missus for $20 more, also no activation. That's a hard deal to beat, imo. But I find it vexing that there might never be an official Eclair update for the Hero, more so the Moment if it's incumbent upon Samsung to deliver as they have a track record of abandoning phones upon delivery.
Thanks in advance a million times for your response!
I have to act quick if I'm to get this deal, but these decisions are killing me.

if you can wait, wait for the supersonic.
otherwise it is really a matter of preference. my brother has the moment. he loves it because of the keyboard. otherwise the processor may be snappier but i can't tell a difference...
he doesn't run any roms, nothing worthwhile out there. And I am running 2.1 already thanks to our great devs.

For me it's really a matter of cost and time. I really need new phones and the time it takes to get a healthy discount on a 2 yr contract could be months from now.
The Processor in the Moment would come in most handy (I would think) in future Android updates; flash if it hits; and certain apps, etc.
But if there's not pushed updates to Moment, then it's totally dependent on the community and i don't think it's as strong as here, or rather it's in a much earlier stage...
I see there are two forums but upon initial investigation, I don't see these ROMS viable as day phones, more for testing and development
http://www.samsungmomentforum.com/rooting/?PHPSESSID=8c9ead9a3ee984137fea7bf4b21ad46d
sdx-developers.com
In any case, I don't want to deviate too far into Moment in a predominantly HTC board, which brings me back to my initial questions regarding how update cycle/process works here. Wondering what base platform devs work from, and if anyone cares about the potential 'official' 2.1 update and whether or not that changes a thing here.
Thanks in advance.

maybe this will help....
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hakujin said:
http://www.androidspin.com/2010/03/12/android-2-1-for-htc-hero-now-due-in-april/
i'm a n00b to the Android scene and my question is: does this affect the ability to update cooked ROMs here or do people here just work off 2.1 from a different phone... and does that create more hurdles than if the ROM were 'made for Hero' i.e. any unique handset dependencies, etc?
I'm in this dichotomy stage right now where I've read upteen hundred interviews, reviews, posts, comparisons, etc. of HTC Hero and Samsung Moment, and still can't decide, but am leaning to the Hero because of the excellent development that goes on here and because of Sense, even though I'm really yearning for that snappier processor, AMOLED screen, etc., I can't justify it if development is lukewarm compared to here and it seems updated ROMs for Moment are sketchy at best, in terms of getting full functionality out of the handset.
What I don't get is this... you folks here (devs, enthusiasts, etc), are constantly building new roms, but are they derivative of cupcake, or eclair? More so, despite whatever Sprint and HTC do or don't do (as it seems HTC is more concerned w/ the rollout of Desire), can I still get my 2.1 Eclair fix here, albeit original Sense, and is it mostly bug free/usable as a day phone w/o losing any *features* that I would get from a Sprint Stock Cupcake Hero?
I have a half mind to wait for a Sprint Snapdragon but no telling when that will be plus I can get a Hero for $60 now w/ free activation, and a Moment for the missus for $20 more, also no activation. That's a hard deal to beat, imo. But I find it vexing that there might never be an official Eclair update for the Hero, more so the Moment if it's incumbent upon Samsung to deliver as they have a track record of abandoning phones upon delivery.
Thanks in advance a million times for your response!
I have to act quick if I'm to get this deal, but these decisions are killing me.
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Personally I hated the moment, felt like I was carrying an Abrams Tank in my pocket, and its kind of ugly. But the HUGE issue I had with it was battery life. Litterally only got about 5 hours of LIGHT use. and only about 12 hours IN STAND BY! We had two seperate moments with 4 batteries and the ALL did that. Not to mention the OS feels so heavy on it and it is vanilla as possible. Now given they are supposed to release a "Moment2" that has an ASTC TV Tunner built in, but really? Do you want to carry around an antena and watch OTA TV on a 3inch screen? Come on. Ok, So it has an AMOLED screen and the Hero doesn't...bfd the Resolution is the same, you just have more colors...again do I need to bring up the 3" screen? Your not watching High Def movies on this thing.
When typing the moment can't keep up when you use the on screen key board, you really have to use the hardware keyboard even for short texts.
Onto the Hero:
We have fully working 2.1 Roms now, given they are buggy. Most of these guys will have it figured out in a week or so for a fully functional less buggy than Sprints 2.1 ROM. Personally I am still running 1.5 just because I don't see anything that 2.1 brings me that I can't live with out. And Ill be damned if im using a password to get into my exchange email everytime.

Read the article. I saw two issues.
1 - is Sweden CDMA?
2 - the Swedish release doesn't have to impact ours (US).
But then what do I know.
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A member of Swedroid received a reply from HTC Sweden with another date! They state that the Android 2.1 is expected sometime in April but this release is not set in stone.
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Samsung has great hardware, but they've historically SUCKED at providing firmware upgrades, and are infamous for hacking proprietary, undocumented extensions onto ancient firmware... then refusing to tell anyone how it works. Ask anyone who ever owned one of their Sprint PalmOS phones (SPHi300, SPHi330, SPHi500). The end result (at least with their PalmOS phones) was a phone that couldn't run most new mainstream software (because they were at least a whole version behind), but developers couldn't even write apps that took advantage of the phones' native features because they were all undocumented and incompatible with Palm's own official way of doing it.
Put another way, don't even THINK about buying any Samsung Android phone that's not already rootable and shipping with 2.1, because community-built new releases are the only upgrades they're ever likely to see. The Moment will probably get 2.1 eventually due to pressure from Google, but I really think that will be the Samsung exception rather than its new future policy.

The Cupcake ROMs are very mature and good for essentially bug-free daily use.
The Eclair ROMs are just starting (I mean, the last 2-3 days) to get there. Both of the good ones (Flipz and Danger) are still a bit buggy. Danger appears to be, at the moment, the one farther along (I think Flipz is on vacation) and might just be good enough for daily use. Definitely not quite 100% though, as it's still a Verizon ROM and missing a couple of things like Visual Voicemail.

I came frfom a Moment, let me tell you to each his own. If you prefer a hardware keyboard, and better colors, get the moment.
If you don't mind the virtual keyboard and want to be able to flash 3-4 times a week from development community, get a hero.
The Moment currently ONLY has a cooked kernel to flash that was made by someone who started at samsungmomentforum.com and moved to sdx-developers.com.
With the CL14 kernel update the battery drain issue was solved, after putting on that update I would get a day and a half on my phone with light use, it has vanilla android with no extra interface options, which could be a plus or minus on which way you look at it.
I enjoyed my moment, but was left "wanting more", so I traded it for a TP2, which has a huge development community. The TP2 left me "wanting more" because it couldn't do the things that Android could, so I traded it for a Hero and now I am completely happy.
To each his own, sir..To each his own ;]

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way too be a ****

Sporkman said:
way too be a ****
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Wow. I was going more for pointedly funny than dickish (you'll notice that I took the time to make sure that the results were relevant to his question, as 4 of the top 5 hits are recent 2.1 threads, most -if not all- of which have a description of what is and isn't working in the first post). If I was being dickish I would have just advised him to use the search function as some others are wont to do.
edit: Pardon. 4 of the top 6.

Wait for the Supersonic. Upgrade deals will come and go, that deal doesn't even sound that good to me.... your phone has made it this far, what's a few more months (hopefully... )
You will regret it if you don't once that phone comes out.

tejasrichard said:
Wow. I was going more for pointedly funny than dickish (you'll notice that I took the time to make sure that the results were relevant to his question, as 4 of the top 5 hits are recent 2.1 threads, most -if not all- of which have a description of what is and isn't working in the first post). If I was being dickish I would have just advised him to use the search function as some others are wont to do.
edit: Pardon. 4 of the top 6.
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Made me laugh... And was helpful! (thanks for making my day)
Go for the Hero.. you will love it!

I love the people that say "wait for the supersonic". They have NO idea when it's coming out. The thing could come out in April, or it could come out in December, or it could come out any month in the middle. There's been no statement saying when the thing's coming out, and your guess is as good as mine (mine happens to be late August or September, to catch the Hero crowd wanting to upgrade).
If you like the phone you have now and want something with a snapdragon processor, then you obviously have to wait. I honestly don't see what difference a faster processor is going to make when it comes to the overall use of the phone. The 2.1 ROM's that are out now are so insanely fast that a faster processor would be overkill for the general use. It would certainly help with some of the processor intensive apps/widgets, but for general functions, I really don't think it'd make a huge difference.

tatonka_hero said:
There's been no statement saying when the thing's coming out, and your guess is as good as mine (mine happens to be late August or September, to catch the Hero crowd wanting to upgrade).
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That is my thought also. And frankly, my fervent prayer. I'm due for upgrade in December, and I'm hoping the Supersonic will be fully rooted and kickin' 3G butt by then, lol!

tatonka_hero said:
I love the people that say "wait for the supersonic". They have NO idea when it's coming out. The thing could come out in April, or it could come out in December, or it could come out any month in the middle. There's been no statement saying when the thing's coming out, and your guess is as good as mine (mine happens to be late August or September, to catch the Hero crowd wanting to upgrade).
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Personally, I signed a new contract when I got my Hero's. So I am stuck for another 2 years or what ever the time period is for an upgrade. I will be drooling over a supersonic, but hopefully by the time mine comes around I'll be able to get one of the dual-core 1.5 ghz snapdragon phones. Hell, I may bite the bullet on one when they do drop one on Sprint instead of waiting. I think I'll skip the current phase of 1 ghz devices though.

Kcarpenter said:
Personally, I signed a new contract when I got my Hero's. So I am stuck for another 2 years or what ever the time period is for an upgrade. I will be drooling over a supersonic, but hopefully by the time mine comes around I'll be able to get one of the dual-core 1.5 ghz snapdragon phones. Hell, I may bite the bullet on one when they do drop one on Sprint instead of waiting. I think I'll skip the current phase of 1 ghz devices though.
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you're not a premium customer (premier customer? I can't remember the specific term)? I thought like 90% of Hero owners ended up in that category, simply due to the price of the plan.
Guess I'm not entirely certain, being that I'm not on a contract, and am eligible for upgrades every year (or so I'm told by my girlfriend lol)

tatonka_hero said:
you're not a premium customer (premier customer? I can't remember the specific term)? I thought like 90% of Hero owners ended up in that category, simply due to the price of the plan.
Guess I'm not entirely certain, being that I'm not on a contract, and am eligible for upgrades every year (or so I'm told by my girlfriend lol)
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Individual plan of 69.99 or more, family plan of 99.99 or more, or someone who has been a customer for 10 or more years.
So, yes..most hero owners should qualify for Sprint Premier, as long as your account is in good standing.

scriz said:
Individual plan of 69.99 or more, family plan of 99.99 or more, or someone who has been a customer for 10 or more years.
So, yes..most hero owners should qualify for Sprint Premier, as long as your account is in good standing.
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Yeah...see I didn't know that.
I'm on the 129.99 Unlimited plan x2 lines. I guess that qualifies me, assuming I don't drink all my money away and can't pay the bill.
I guess I will requalify around the begining of december. Good thing too, cell phones don't usually last me more than 7 months or so. They habitually end up in the toilet.

thank you so much folks! You have a been a world of help in final decision... I too feel the moment is too big, and realize samsung's lackluster handset support in updates over the years... i am definitely getting myself a hero.
funny that one or two of you mentioned battery life. I was reading a very verbose conversation on that on the moment board just yesterday between engineers but thought it was related to cooked roms. this concerns me now as wifey likes the hw keyboard of moment and she's also not a tweaker so cupcake/moment will do her just fine, even if eclair doesn't make it. She simply needs pictures, video, and mobile access to facebook for android and a decent browser as well as gmail, google calendar and such and she's golden; prettiness of gui is not a concern. But this battery problem is in the stock Sprint 1.5 Roms? She would not dig 5 hrs of battery life and I'd therefore have to waste the $35 fee in getting her over to another phone!
Say it ain't so! Does this affect all stock Moments if so?
Also... this Sprint Premier... is the reason for getting it similar to TEP i.e. upgrade options faster? What are the perks and is this a request i need to make?! More details please! I'm coming off 4 years of T-Mobile (although had sprint prior to), and am looking at the $129.99 Everything Messaging (unl. data, text, mms) - 25% monthly corp. discount so ~ $97/mo before taxes when all said and done. I would like to transfer asap as our phones are ancient; plan sucks @ 700 min (although very cheap at ~$52 before taxes/fees after discount); 2 years of contract doesn't bother me so much, but if I see the potential which happens from time to time (ETF change recently) I'll jump at breach of contract and void my contract. However, I don't mind not having a snapdragon at all. It's more important to get TX numbers (for discount and lower taxes/fees) before moving west. Frankly, I've been putting of the upgrade for far too long, invariably waiting for something better, or that next great thing. I was going to go HTC TP2 because of the excellent support from this community in the past, but w/ the announcement of win 7 and tegra and the cost of the tp2 i changed my mind.
Thanks!

Should I buy the samsung captivate?

hey guys how are you?, I would like your thoughts on this phone( if y'all don't mind) how easy is to root? what are the best roms available? you guys think it will be waste of money buying it?? all the feedback about this phone is welcome, (good and bad)... I am planing on the gifts I will be buying for x-mas , (I know a bit to early) and I was thinking buying this phone for my lil sis, she currently has the motorola flip which I got her last year, I am planning on spending $200 refurbished, out of contract, used in mint condition..I seen so many reviews but we all know that reviews are just eh, the best way is to ask an actual user,I am a sprint user so I don't know nothing about AT&T phones, well thank you guys, i am eager to hear your thoughts on this phone, and or should I consider getting a better one (more recent phone) thank you again!!

Its alright. Check the build number, GPS, and other specifics off the phone. Development makes it amazing
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If you are comfortable with HTC modding, then modding SGS is usually mind boggling (at least for most people). I find it much much better, but thats just me. Look at Build number since the newer ones have better GPS and don't suffer from sleep death.

Devs make this a great phone that is very fast with an amazing screen. There are many great custom ROMs here...
If it's a refurbed early model it might have fixed GPS (or not). GPS performance is a crap shoot in general...Otherwise, it's solid.
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For 200 bucks this phone is worth it. The roms are great and stable as well as good support incase something goes wrong with flashing or what not, and I think it will still be a good phone in a years time (if you are going on a yearly cycle with new phones for your sister).

pretty much as stated above the phone is a great phone with the exception of the gps , sometimes it works great other times , not so much- if you sister doesn't nee the phone for the gps it is def. a phone she will enjoy using especially with a custom ROM to cater to her likes- bottom line go for it im planning on getting one for my daughter

I'm going to go ahead and list the issues I have with the Captivate off the top of my head and let you decide off that.
As has been stated previously the GPS is generally pretty crappy, but mine's actually been pretty good on the latest leaked firmware KI2.
The cache by default is only around 30M so if you want to download anything larger then that you'll have to flash a modded PIT file or fine some other means to give you a larger cache (see the Cache link in my sig).
Phones tend to have their own individualism so what works for me may not work as well for you
I wish you the best of luck with whatever phone you decide to go with.

I got my Cappy on release day. Never had a single problem with it. Kernel updates are coming to a close and ROMs for 2.3.5. are following closely. Best phone I've ever owned hands down. Development makes it better. I wish my Glock was this perfect! I will be upgrading to Galaxy S II in January when im due, but I will always keep this phone as backup.
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Jumping ship

As much as i have loved my revolution, ill have to make due with parting. Between my career field, situation and the issues I'm going to a Gnex. Permavibe, reboots more constant than a 10 time repeat prison offendor every few hours, lost calls due to above, and performance (me being a game developer) I need to move on lol. Wanted to say how great of a support this place has been with keeping an everything but dor (dead on release) phone alive this long. Ill keep popping in to help where I can (i mildly realize I'm not exactly prevalent here) thanks to the help I've gotten, but at these prices a Gnex is (very!) hard to pass up. Thank you all thus far!
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Long time no see... Like since I was first battling crap out with Cubed! Anyhow, good luck with the new device... Hopefully you don't run into any more crap!

majorpay said:
Long time no see... Like since I was first battling crap out with Cubed! Anyhow, good luck with the new device... Hopefully you don't run into any more crap!
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About the only problem with the GNex is the signal issues otherwise the phone is perfect

Gel Pen6 said:
About the only problem with the GNex is the signal issues otherwise the phone is perfect
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I find that odd, its the best thing Ive ever made a call on. Maybe its denver though, the 4g is quite consistent here, and the 3g comes in spades. There was one point (for maybe 2 hours before a party) that on my OG droid I was hitting 2.6mbps on 3g, when the theoretical limit is 3.1, I was shocked. Now to try some of the "hot" spots Ive found. These are just areas Ive found that make my 4g speeds spike, and where I can consistently get 40-50mbps.
Right off the bat with 2-3 bars I got 25mbps down and 14 up, which is twice what my revo might get (same app + server even). Plus this was in a Denver Verizon store, so you know they show off the 4g to whomever comes in lol.

I certainly wish I could jump ship, but I'm not due an 'upgrade' until february... Unless I can convince big red to push it early due to my phone being a giant pile, I'm stuck with the vibration of death, slow performance, reboots, and screen freezing for another 8 months

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I find that odd, its the best thing Ive ever made a call on. Maybe its denver though, the 4g is quite consistent here, and the 3g comes in spades. There was one point (for maybe 2 hours before a party) that on my OG droid I was hitting 2.6mbps on 3g, when the theoretical limit is 3.1, I was shocked. Now to try some of the "hot" spots Ive found. These are just areas Ive found that make my 4g speeds spike, and where I can consistently get 40-50mbps.
Right off the bat with 2-3 bars I got 25mbps down and 14 up, which is twice what my revo might get (same app + server even). Plus this was in a Denver Verizon store, so you know they show off the 4g to whomever comes in lol.
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I've never once hit above 8mbs on my Revo even on Wifi so hopefully it's just the phone since that's a big jump.
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I certainly wish I could jump ship, but I'm not due an 'upgrade' until february... Unless I can convince big red to push it early due to my phone being a giant pile, I'm stuck with the vibration of death, slow performance, reboots, and screen freezing for another 8 months
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Well, if you hate the phone that much might as well just pay the early termination fee and get a new phone. Luckily I have till August might try and get the S3 when it comes out and give myself a birthday present.

Seriously.....dig deep, sell some crap on Craigslist, donate at the plasma bank....whatever. Just bite the bullet, scrape together $400 and buy a RAZR Maxx off of Ebay. Revo is at a dead end. I finally quit b!tching and just replaced the damn doorstop POS. When I went into VZW store to get the micro SIM to activate the RAZR, the staff confirmed the Revo is by far the most hated model in their 4G lineup, and they all hated selling it. Moving on was the smartest thing I've done.
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Danzdroid said:
Seriously.....dig deep, sell some crap on Craigslist, donate at the plasma bank....whatever. Just bite the bullet, scrape together $400 and buy a RAZR Maxx off of Ebay. Revo is at a dead end. I finally quit b!tching and just replaced the damn doorstop POS. When I went into VZW store to get the micro SIM to activate the RAZR, the staff confirmed the Revo is by far the most hated model in their 4G lineup, and they all hated selling it. Moving on was the smartest thing I've done.
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Why RAZR Max over SGSIII?

teh Phil said:
Why RAZR Max over SGSIII?
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Probably the battery. But I'd take the more development and better specs of the S3 over the better battery.

Well...for people looking to jump ship who have concern about the money, there's about a $250 difference.
Battery life is huge for me, and I've missed that battleship-solid build quality I always had with Motorola. For my $400, it made no sense to suffer with a C-minus phone any longer.
I run rooted stock ICS...so beyond rooting it, I don't need much dev --- although there is quite a lot for the RAZR....far, far more than there will ever be here...for a younger phone. 'nuff said.

Danzdroid said:
Well...for people looking to jump ship who have concern about the money, there's about a $250 difference.
Battery life is huge for me, and I've missed that battleship-solid build quality I always had with Motorola. For my $400, it made no sense to suffer with a C-minus phone any longer.
I run rooted stock ICS...so beyond rooting it, I don't need much dev --- although there is quite a lot for the RAZR....far, far more than there will ever be here...for a younger phone. 'nuff said.
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The build quality of Motorola phones in my opinion are pretty good since my brother has the Droid X (first one not the X2) and it's decent but I'm going to go to Samsung and give them a chance until more high end Motorola and HTC phones hit Verizon.

Found a great deal! GNex, dual incipio case, 3 anti glare screen protectors, 1 very nicely pre applied, and extended battery for $258. Does everything my revo did and then some, and I haven't even rooted it yet. Wifi tether included.
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Nexus 5 Love thread

Well... I'm going to try and balance the score sheet here, as it seems to me, only the people who are dis-satisfied take to the internet to tell people how they feel, I thought it needs to be shown that there are many more who are happy with their device, and so I'm going to share my experience so far... Ok, so just a mere 2 full days in to ownership.
Firstly, I mentioned in another thread somewhere, that the absolute best thing about buying a new phone is the wait. The anticipation for it to arrive. That feeling of excitement is the best that being an owner of the device is ever going to be... and to me, that remains true. I for one, loved how this device was "announced" the leaks, the rumours... everything. Pure genius from Google.
So, it arrived first thing yesterday morning. My first thoughts were how nice the device felt, solid build quality, a perfect size, and very understated. Just what I was looking for.
As the day went on, I started to worry about battery life. Coming from a Note 2, which with some custom kernel and rom, I could use it all I liked all day and by the time I was going to bed I was at like 30-40% remaining, it was never a doubt for me that this was going to be an issue.... and compared to that, yes, it is an issue.... I'd like it to last all week, who wouldn't? At around 8-9 hours of ownership, I had a feeling that perhaps I should have bought the LG G2... but more on that later. Id be in heaven if that G2 battery would actually fit in there, but alas, it looks as though I'll be rocking 2300mAh for a while.
With my personal battery life reservations aside, the speed, the smoothness, and silkyness of the phone is amazing. If I picked up something with better battery life, I doubt i'd experience the same joy that this thing gives the user. I repair phones etc as a side hobby, so I see a great many of different devices (including the latest from apple) and this is the first time I can say that an android device can match, even the iphone 5s in smoothness, and that is saying a lot.
Hardware wise, I'm not seeing any negatives as I've seen reported by other users here. My screen is vibrant and clear. It beats all my previous devices, and seems to be as vibrant as anything else otherwise touted as "better"
The camera.... well, I'm no photographer. In this department, I guess I'm what you would call the average user. In phones I've actually owned, my favourite camera has been the galaxy S3. Overall image quality aside, the thing that won me on it was the shutter speed. Zero lag. On that thing, I clicked the screen, and that was the picture I got, no messing. Not so fast with the N5, but image quality wise, I can't fault it... It certainly knocks socks off my wife's galaxy nexus, and it is high quality enough to make me feel that I have no need for an actual camera for all my photoing needs. In fact, this video: http://youtu.be/Qp6clWG-b5c seems to mirror my experience with the camera here... not too shabby by my standards. I'm exceptionally pleased with the low light shots without a flash.... just the typical real life situation I find myself in when I want a photo!!
So... as the end of day 2 draws to a close, my battery life woes seem to be fading... stats like those in the attachments really give me hope... and that is still on the standard kernel and rom, although it is now rooted.
At the end of the day, when I made the choice for my next phone, my last two choices were between the N5, and LG G2... I made my N5 decision without viewing anything official through fear of it selling out. I pulled the trigger on this little sucker as soon as it went live in the play store (No way was I selling out to CPW for a 16gb) At the back of my mind, having the nexus device where I could play with all the dev's work won me over, compared to the only benefit I could see in the G2, the battery, and I'm happy to say that all feelings of doubt over whether I should have bought the G2 have gone. I'm happy with my nexus, and I feel that I will be for a long time to come. In fact, id go as far as to say, that despite the "development scene" being a major factor in my purchasing, the user experience is so good at this point, that I don't even want to flash any ROMs yet... I know the time will come for that, and that will provide me with good longevity for the device, but for now, the pure Google experience has it all... and at a bargain price too

With you, love the device.
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I'm really loving the device as well. Google did a hell of a job with 4.4. Can't wait for more custom roms!

Unlike so many others, I know how to keep my expectations in check. This phone is amazing for the money, nothing even comes close. In fact, even if it cost the same thing as my Xperia ZL ($600) it's still better.

Finally a thread that praises the Nexus 5
I swear all the threads in the last 2 days have been so depressing-- thank you for this man
ps. am also in love with Nexus 5

I think a lot of the negativity is coming from people that have the ability to buy a new phone four times a year so they're really not happy with anything. These people coming from the Moto X baffle me. I guess if you have the money to spend that's your prerogative, but it skews your perception of value. I'm coming from a One X that I bought on launch day and I'm still not eligible for an upgrade so the Nexus will be a nice bump up.
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I also get the feeling that there are a lot more new people who are hear to complain, much more than before. I got mine today and love everything about it. As much as I love my 2012 Nexus 4 & 7, this year's 5 & 7 have been outstanding.
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ComposMentis said:
I think a lot of the negativity is coming from people that have the ability to buy a new phone four times a year so they're really not happy with anything. These people coming from the Moto X baffle me. I guess if you have the money to spend that's your prerogative, but it skews your perception of value. I'm coming from a One X that I bought on launch day and I'm still not eligible for an upgrade so the Nexus will be a nice bump up.
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i bet you 100 dollars that the one x had better viewing angles lol

I upgrade three or four times a year.. But I think this is the greatest phone I've used yet. It helps to resell old devices to offset costs
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I dont know why you guys need 54543 threads to both praise and hate the device. There should not be a "Love" thread because nobody cares if you guys like it or not. People who like it will get it. And for this matter, you can write reviews in amazon or anyother place where people will actually care about what you say.
A nexus 5 review thread could be useful here but hey, I am no mod, just keep "lovin"!
Anyway, smart people usually wait and see the reviews-issues before they buy a device, you wont convince them to anything and the ones who buy the phone immediately usually dont care about opinions.
I am a potential buyer but I am rather interested to buy it much later, thats why I lurk here.

^ Well said.. Who cares if someone else likes it or not.
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I didn't think I was going to be as impressed as I actually am with this device. It is like a work of art. This is totally a flagship device. The build, screen quality and 4.4 what can be better then that. This is probably the first Nexus I would really recommend to someone wanting to try Android or even leave iOS. Usually I would always tell an older person to stick with their iPhone and a not so techy person who wants to go with Android to try an S4 or HTC One. Not this time. This device is the whole package.
Anyway, to much positive talk going on in here....This phone truly sucks.

shadowcore said:
I dont know why you guys need 54543 threads to both praise and hate the device. There should not be a "Love" thread because nobody cares if you guys like it or not. People who like it will get it. And for this matter, you can write reviews in amazon or anyother place where people will actually care about what you say.
A nexus 5 review thread could be useful here but hey, I am no mod, just keep "lovin"!
Anyway, smart people usually wait and see the reviews-issues before they buy a device, you wont convince them to anything and the ones who buy the phone immediately usually dont care about opinions.
I am a potential buyer but I am rather interested to buy it much later, thats why I lurk here.
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Nicely said. Have Nexus 4, loving it. This Friday, Nexus 5, can't wait.

I have to say for all the trash being talked about the camera, I just took some low light pictures and was greatly impressed. Blew my S3 away.
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shadowcore said:
I dont know why you guys need 54543 threads to both praise and hate the device. There should not be a "Love" thread because nobody cares if you guys like it or not. People who like it will get it. And for this matter, you can write reviews in amazon or anyother place where people will actually care about what you say.
A nexus 5 review thread could be useful here but hey, I am no mod, just keep "lovin"!
Anyway, smart people usually wait and see the reviews-issues before they buy a device, you wont convince them to anything and the ones who buy the phone immediately usually dont care about opinions.
I am a potential buyer but I am rather interested to buy it much later, thats why I lurk here.
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Why not practice what you preach and keep your opinions to yourself?

Most definitely will love it specially when I get a custom ROM on it and add that pie control. I also would wish I had that control from the movie click which I could just click to November 8th on Friday already
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i dont get whats not to love about the device. you get top hardware for 300+ dollars. KitKat which is so fluid and a joy to use. i am loving every minute of having this phone. i had the lg g2 awesome phone sucky skin. note 3. awesome phone sucky unstable skin. overprices. wayyyyy over priced.
but yet instead of enjoying the device. they take it out of the box start shaking it. wiggling buttons. tapping on it. swinging there arms. taking it apart and putting paper inside LOL. i put a spigen case on it. with rubber buttons. no rattles no shakes. no nothing. and even if it did. i loveeeeeee this nexus. best yet. enjoy your phones people.

shadowcore said:
I dont know why you guys need 54543 threads to both praise and hate the device. There should not be a "Love" thread because nobody cares if you guys like it or not. People who like it will get it. And for this matter, you can write reviews in amazon or anyother place where people will actually care about what you say.
A nexus 5 review thread could be useful here but hey, I am no mod, just keep "lovin"!
Anyway, smart people usually wait and see the reviews-issues before they buy a device, you wont convince them to anything and the ones who buy the phone immediately usually dont care about opinions.
I am a potential buyer but I am rather interested to buy it much later, thats why I lurk here.
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Nobody cares that you don't care about this thread.
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Nobody cares that you don't care about this thread.
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I never said that. I only said, nobody cares if you love it. People wiho care already know why they care and anyone of you can name those things.
Its like buying a porsche and saying: "I might aswell go in a forum and praise it!". Everybody knows why its good. You know, its also a part of sending a message. Maybe goog and LG should withhold the selling of the devices to "Fix" them, and release a revision. Like the Nexus 4 did with a bumper in the back.
You will get over it eventually....eventually.
But hey, I know the feeling. Having to praise the phone and others agreeing with you and boosting your self esteem. Yep, magical. Except that when you think about it, you kinda lose the charm when you realize that you are doing so because you are unsure if you have made the right decision. So you need some external confirmation.
Hey, if I could buy this phone, I would not complain about wiggly buttons, 1-2 dead pixels and so on, because how amaizing it is. I prefer to wait after Christmas.

Would have been nice if google wasn't that cheap to save on the speaker and wifi antenna.

Switching from the S5...

Ok so..
Its been about 12 days since I have had this phone. I thought I could be patient enough with it to maybe wait for a root (if developers are even still working on it.)
Turns out I am not so patient.. I would rather switch to a company like HTC who is kind enough to give tools to their customers who want the option to do what they want with their own ****ing cell phone that they purchased. :highfive:
Anyway..
My question is: Is anyone familiar with the return policy? I am pretty sure that it is 14 days and I can trade it back in hopefully for an M8, but if someone that has experience or knowledge with this can shed some more light I would be very grateful.
Second question would be do you guys think the HTC One M8 is the best option for me right now? Ill be going through at&t and I want to be able to root and flash roms. Preferably some of the more popular ones like AOKP or Pac-Man etc..

PunchLick said:
Ok so..
Its been about 12 days since I have had this phone. I thought I could be patient enough with it to maybe wait for a root (if developers are even still working on it.)
Turns out I am not so patient.. I would rather switch to a company like HTC who is kind enough to give tools to their customers who want the option to do what they want with their own ****ing cell phone that they purchased. :highfive:
Anyway..
My question is: Is anyone familiar with the return policy? I am pretty sure that it is 14 days and I can trade it back in hopefully for an M8, but if someone that has experience or knowledge with this can shed some more light I would be very grateful.
Second question would be do you guys think the HTC One M8 is the best option for me right now? Ill be going through at&t and I want to be able to root and flash roms. Preferably some of the more popular ones like AOKP or Pac-Man etc..
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just go do it. why do you need to ask about it when you already know the terms. simply call them or go to the store.

Later.

I am not sure about the terms, that's why I posted on these forums asking. That's why I said "I'm pretty sure" and asked if someone who knew for sure could give me more details. :good:

PunchLick said:
I am not sure about the terms, that's why I posted on these forums asking. That's why I said "I'm pretty sure" and asked if someone who knew for sure could give me more details. :good:
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what's the point of posting anything here. whats the point of even sharing your thoughts of switching. if you made your decision, just go and do it. why ask us when you can ask AT&T? just leave man

Because I bought it on launch day and I am not sure how many days you get before you can return the phone. A lot of people are switching too or getting the TMO version, so I think a topic like this could become helpful to others as well.
Not sure why you are being rude, if you aren't going to help or say anything worth reading just stop typing. I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings in showing that I think owning a locked down device isn't for me anymore.. it's still a great phone. I just thought I would be more patient or enjoy stock more, but I was wrong.

PunchLick said:
I am not sure about the terms, that's why I posted on these forums asking. That's why I said "I'm pretty sure" and asked if someone who knew for sure could give me more details. :good:
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14 days from purchase to return and a $35 restocking fee are basically the terms.
Personally, I wouldn't switch. I think the S5 is a superior device even without root (for now). but you gotta do what's best for you. Good luck.

peaster3 said:
14 days from purchase to return and a $35 restocking fee are basically the terms.
Personally, I wouldn't switch. I think the S5 is a superior device even without root (for now). but you gotta do what's best for you. Good luck.
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Thank you for a real reply and for the information, its really appreciated.
I think the S5 is a superior device too, but I really need root for certain apps. Not to mention flashing roms can be pretty fun.
Also sooo much bloat I just want to remove, not a big deal, but prefer a clean device.

Pretty sure mine will be going back in the next few days as well. I love the camera and the water resistance is great, but for the price, with the ehh battery life I've been getting and some annoying software stuff, it can't do anything that my international Note II can't.
In the future if/when someone can find an exploit and get root, I would definitely give it another shot.

hlb3 said:
Pretty sure mine will be going back in the next few days as well. I love the camera and the water resistance is great, but for the price, with the ehh battery life I've been getting and some annoying software stuff, it can't do anything that my international Note II can't.
In the future if/when someone can find an exploit and get root, I would definitely give it another shot.
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Yea I completely agree. The cons just outweigh the pros for me personally in this situation!

The bloat you can disable until root comes out
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Daxxer2007 said:
The bloat you can disable since root won't come out
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Ftfy

I'm enjoying all these people giving up its really quite amusing. I had a backflip and an atrix your puny 12 day wait has nothing on the wait for those phones to have root.

cyberace1985 said:
I'm enjoying all these people giving up its really quite amusing. I had a backflip and an atrix your puny 12 day wait has nothing on the wait for those phones to have root.
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Well the reason for the rush is I can return it for something that already has root and more development. I'd rather get more enjoyment now rather than hope and wait. Although if the return policy stated like 2 months or something, I'd honestly probably still wait those 2 months because I do enjoy this phone.
It's also the principal of the situation too though. I'm not ALL FOR companies that sell overpriced phones that, when bought, are just so locked down that i don't even feel like it's actually fully mine.

I've got a week to decide, I may stop in to have a look at the competition.

I've been seeing a lot of people posting that they aren't getting that great of battery life. I'm getting about 36 hours uptime with about 6 hours screen. Is that better or worse than what you guys are seeing? TIA.
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Josborne6 said:
I've been seeing a lot of people posting that they aren't getting that great of battery life. I'm getting about 36 hours uptime with about 6 hours screen. Is that better or worse than what you guys are seeing? TIA.
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There only seems to be a handful complaining, even on other forums people are getting crazy good battery life. Heck I can have on screen time of 4-5+ hours, tons of email, text, phone calls etc, all sync is on, gps is on etc.... and still have plenty life left at the end of the day, actually as I type this in similar situation I have 22% life left and been off the charger for 33 hours, and even browsing I still have 4 tabs open. First phone where the thought of not having enough battery doesn't even occur to me, going to be nice on trips lol.
Far as the OP, do what you have to do, though I don't know why you'd think root would've been available by now on this phone, this isn't the old days where people could crack same day. I liked the M8 but couldn't put up with the camera and bulkiness plus no water proofing.

I have the M8. If you like flashing and customizing it is a no brainer. I myself am running stock and still enjoy the device.
My wife has a S5. It's pretty and white and shimmers like nail polish. Perfect phone for a beautiful girl.
Also as far as the discussion of superiority of either device. It's an opinionated one. Each excels at their own intended goals.
If the camera of the M8 is scaring you, just ask yourself . " will I be on assignment for national geographic where I will need to take epic photos on the go?"
If you answered no, then this camera should be good enough for your personal use.
It seems like you're just asking for that little push for you to make the trade.
I am giving you that "push". Everything will be okay in HTC land....be free...
Oh yeah. Have fun with the raised speaker grills. The gamble on receiving two variations of the LCD screen and ... Yeah that's about it.
HTC UltimEight ?

It really depends on where you bought the device. Typical return policy would be 14 days. Some vendors do not charge a restocking fees on returns but "I heard" AT&T can charge you. This was forwarded to me from the sales rep. I got my S5 at Target and returned it. I was not charged with a restocking fee by them or At&t that I am aware of.
I got myself the M8 since I wanted root.

Jooosty said:
I have the M8. If you like flashing and customizing it is a no brainer. I myself am running stock and still enjoy the device.
My wife has a S5. It's pretty and white and shimmers like nail polish. Perfect phone for a beautiful girl.
Also as far as the discussion of superiority of either device. It's an opinionated one. Each excels at their own intended goals.
If the camera of the M8 is scaring you, just ask yourself . " will I be on assignment for national geographic where I will need to take epic photos on the go?"
If you answered no, then this camera should be good enough for your personal use.
It seems like you're just asking for that little push for you to make the trade.
I am giving you that "push". Everything will be okay in HTC land....be free...
Oh yeah. Have fun with the raised speaker grills. The gamble on receiving two variations of the LCD screen and ... Yeah that's about it.
HTC UltimEight ?
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I have both, a gunmetal grey m8 and shimmery white tmo s5 sim unlocked for ATT, The m8 is great if you like to mod/customize, you can run Sense, GPE, or AOSP (cm is already being worked on)...The s5 (ATT) obviously is locked down....both phones are very nice it just depends if you need the ability to customize.