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[EVENT] Mass Return of our HTC Vivid

If enough people are interested, I had an idea that DFW XDA members all return their Vivids at the same time for a mass return at the AT&T HQ store in order to make a statement. This is the heart of their operation. We can discuss this, but what I and others came up with so far is:
AT&T Mass Return
Tuesday December 6th at 1:00pm
208 S Akard Street
STE 110
Dallas, TX 75202
Customer Parking Available for 2 hours at:
1600 Commerce Street
Dallas, TX 75201
Everyone is invited. Whether you have a Vivid or not. I understand not everyone lives here, but all are welcome none the less.
Thanks to Radi0chik
What do you guys think of this idea?

Reclaim said:
If enough people are interested, I had an idea that DFW XDA members all return their Vivids at the same time for a mass return at the AT&T HQ store in order to make a statement. This is the heart of their operation. We can discuss this, but what I and others came up with so far is:
AT&T Mass Return
Tuesday December 6th at 1:00pm
208 S Akard Street
STE 110
Dallas, TX 75202
Customer Parking Available for 2 hours at:
1600 Commerce Street
Dallas, TX 75201
Everyone is invited. Whether you have a Vivid or not. I understand not everyone lives here, but all are welcome none the less.
Thanks to Radi0chik
What do you guys think of this idea?
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great idea.
Returned it already though.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using xda premium

I bought mine from Amazonwireless... and I've already asked for an exchange to the skyrocket.
Plus the fact that I have school then doesn't help, but if I could come, I would.

can some one help me decide on what phone to get on sunday once i return mine?
i think that lg nitro hd is nice, but ive heard the ui sucks on it... so i was thinking either that new google nexus phone (sorry, im new to android and cant remember all these pohones) or the gs2... id rather have the og gs2 cause its faster than the skyrocket and i dont care to have lte

randrewm97 said:
can some one help me decide on what phone to get on sunday once i return mine?
i think that lg nitro hd is nice, but ive heard the ui sucks on it... so i was thinking either that new google nexus phone (sorry, im new to android and cant remember all these pohones) or the gs2... id rather have the og gs2 cause its faster than the skyrocket and i dont care to have lte
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Yea if your going to go with a gs2 Definitely get the OG. The Skyrocket has issues with screen resolution and such. As far as the LG Nitro goes I think that is up in the air considering it is going to have a full 720p screen. I am actually slightly leaning toward the LG just because of that but I still need to research it a little bit more.

Yes. I am wondering the same. Though I'm not sure if it will be rooted... New to thus android world. Also, I'm not sure how the devs will take the phone. I heard the lg ui is like touchwiz but retarded... Not meaning to insult. I'm hoping someone will do a good overview of the nitro by sunday
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I heard the lg ui is like touchwiz but retarded...
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IMO, both of those UIs are on par with excrement. On day 1 of owning my Captivate, I switched launchers. Even on Froyo/GB, I could not put up with it and just went full AOSP launcher-wise. If the LG launcher is the same, I know that I won't like it for sure.
Sense is the only aftermarket UI that I like, hence why I ended up with this phone.
EDIT: Also, what's even the point of this? Sending a message to AT&T about this phone would do nothing with you guys mass-returning it. After the event, you wouldn't even care what happened to this device's development life anyway, while you guys all go for Nitros or Skyrockets or whatever phone fits your fancy.

Occupy AT&T....not a chance
You mad cause you have no root...?
Root doesn't allow you to do much anyway other than to either overclock your CPU, make a complete backup of your rom, flash any random rom you want etc...
All the phones have the same CPU chipset, you're just paying for different screen resolutions and plastic shells that cover everything
Samsung couldn't even use its custom CPU because it lacked the ability to incorporate LTE technology, so they chose the Snapdragon S3 APQ8060 dual-core CPU...the same one in the Vivid, and the same one is in the LG Nitro.
Its the only CPU capable of allowing AT&T's 4gLTE service to run smooth for the end user
So go ahead, boycott the Vivid, youre only benefit is a screen with a smaller resolution or a screen with a higher resolution, plus youre still gonna pay the difference plus a $35 restocking fee is applicable...

It seems to me that the problem isn't the Vivid. It's AT&T. If you really want to make a statement then keep this amazing phone, cancel your contracts with AT&T, and allow the devs to continue working on unlocking and fully rooting the device which you know they will. This will do two things. One: send a message to AT&T that will cost them BIG-TIME. Two:Once the devs see how many people are willing to SACRIFICE their wireless mobility for such a great device, they may release a carrier unlock and varying radio support for the different competitors for the vivid. There are some major competitors that offer much better rates and data packages with full LTE support that DON'T lock bootloaders.
It seems silly to put such a serious and damaging halt to great development just because you're unwilling to sever the head of the snake, whereas mass returns will accomplish nothing. Well, not nothing, but if you REALLY want this problem addressed, make AT&T pay with the sudden loss of income. HTC isn't the problem. The Vivid isn't the problem. Big corporations have insurance policies to protect them when there's a problem with inventory/product defects/returns etc. But losing customers.. That just plain sucks for ANY business. Hit them where it hurts. The Next big awesome phone you want will just be locked up tight as well unless you send a CLEAR message they CAN'T ignore.
The Vivid counterpart in Canada (Raider) has already had great roms and kernels that work and are supported/updated every couple of days. I love this phone more and more and would switch carriers in a heartbeat if the company I pay my hard earned money to EVERY Month wasn't treating me like a VALUED customer. AT&T KNOWS what they're doing. They KNOW that what they're continuuing to do is WRONG. But they aren't listening becuase the customers aren't willing to lose they're precious contract they've worked so hard for.
Yes, it means going without the ability to use your nice phone for a little while. Yes it will suck having NO cellphone at all with all it's nice features at your disposal and whim. Maybe getting a junker from a better provider and waiting for the devs is asking too much.
Either that or stop and realize you've had your phone for ONE month. Forget everything I've said about teaching your carrier a lesson, and show some support for xda (maybe a little faith and gratitude as well) because they LOVE tinkering with HTC's products. I wonder sometimes if there would even BE an XDA team without HTC. Be patient, or teach them a REAL lesson in customer service. The alternative is YOU losing out, and feeling all proud and happy for giving up something you once loved. But then again nobody wants to admit they're ACTUALLY PAYING AT&T to treat us like prisoners. Stripping you of your right to DO WITH YOUR PROPERTY THAT WHICH YOU FEEL LIKE DOING.
While we're at it let's all go buy REALLY nice houses where we're not allowed to decorate, hang pictures, change the layout of the livingroom, or park our cars anywhere near.

Been following these forums since the beginning of this week when I ordered the phone through amazon. Now that it has finally shipped today after being backordered, I'm seeing this
and returning this, which I got for a penny, would mean I would have to pay full price for the phone I exchange for, correct?
I wish the morale in this forum didn't seem like it is dying away, but I understand that many of us are almost at the 30 day limit on exchanges and two years is an awful long time to go without an unlocked bootloader.
My first htc phone, after going through LG and blackberry.... which might be exchanged like all of yours....

I think a lot of you are missing the point. This is not just about the bootloader. everyone's reasons are different so I can only share my own. So if you have been paying attention to this forum at all you might get that. Personally my reasons are in no particular order: Carrier IQ, locked bootloader..not just because of development, but because you can't get rid of Carrier IQ while the bootloader is locked, being throttled by AT&T with normal use only halfway through my Billing cycle at only 3.6gb while I still have to pay full price even though I'm on an unlimited plan, their lack of answers, their silencing of our voices on forums, and those are just a few reasons. This is beyond "you mad about no root". And if you think I won't care about what happens after this, then you really haven't been paying attention. My plan is to import a phone or stick with my streak until I figure out a better option. If I use a phone they don't have on file for me, then I can at least not be throttled or be affected directly by Carrier IQ.
This idea isn't JUST for vivid users, and no one is occupying anything. This is for the returns to occur in one fell swoop so they can feel the hit they have caused themselves. As paying customers, most of us are tired of being treated like this. If you're having trouble understanding why and how this would matter, then you haven't been following this forum.

Returned mine already

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Returned mine already
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everyone Ganged up on me last time when I politely said 'bye bye vivid' not even a week back. Even my thread got deleted and I can't find it on vivid general section anymore.
I think it's worth sticking to Samsung for a while. Eventhough I love sense interface so much, I enjoy having good debloated ROMs that give me full potential of the phone.
I'm back to galaxy s2 and it's totally worth it.
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ceo.mtcl said:
everyone Ganged up on me last time when I politely said 'bye bye vivid' not even a week back. Even my thread got deleted and I can't find it on vivid general section anymore.
I think it's worth sticking to Samsung for a while. Eventhough I love sense interface so much, I enjoy having good debloated ROMs that give me full potential of the phone.
I'm back to galaxy s2 and it's totally worth it.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using xda premium
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You might have been ahead of the game sir.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19946984&postcount=173

Reclaim said:
I think a lot of you are missing the point. This is not just about the bootloader. everyone's reasons are different so I can only share my own. So if you have been paying attention to this forum at all you might get that. Personally my reasons are in no particular order: Carrier IQ, locked bootloader..not just because of development, but because you can't get rid of Carrier IQ while the bootloader is locked, being throttled by AT&T with normal use only halfway through my Billing cycle at only 3.6gb while I still have to pay full price even though I'm on an unlimited plan, their lack of answers, their silencing of our voices on forums, and those are just a few reasons. This is beyond "you mad about no root". And if you think I won't care about what happens after this, then you really haven't been paying attention. My plan is to import a phone or stick with my streak until I figure out a better option. If I use a phone they don't have on file for me, then I can at least not be throttled or be affected directly by Carrier IQ.
This idea isn't JUST for vivid users, and no one is occupying anything. This is for the returns to occur in one fell swoop so they can feel the hit they have caused themselves. As paying customers, most of us are tired of being treated like this. If you're having trouble understanding why and how this would matter, then you haven't been following this forum.
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The Carrier IQ situation will allow you to break free of your contract, not happy with AT&T, maybe it wasnt for you, not the first time a subscriber switched carriers. AT&T just got LTE when other carriers had it for longer and unthrottled, what stopped you from leaving then?, I have a bandwidth monitor on my vivid, the HTC IQ AGENT ( Carrier IQ ) doesn't take up gigs of your data plan, matter of fact it takes less than 1/10th of a MB. It is very freaky what this app is capable of and was pretty shocked when I saw the youtube vid. Did you know that uploads are also counted as well!. AT&T will soon realize that 4GB just isnt enough to satisfy customers.
Propose this, you have the ability to break free of your contract pretty soon cause of this whole CIQ debacle, if you want AT&T to keep your business, tell them you want unthrottled unlimited data on your grandfathered plan, they cant do that then just leave without penalty.
Its not HTC's fault AT&T has some weird business practices and contract practices that show up in forums / media from time to time, returning any carriers devices hurts sales and manufacturer reputation. Take the fight where it belongs, tell it to Al Franken..lol

penguinfishies said:
Been following these forums since the beginning of this week when I ordered the phone through amazon. Now that it has finally shipped today after being backordered, I'm seeing this
and returning this, which I got for a penny, would mean I would have to pay full price for the phone I exchange for, correct?
I wish the morale in this forum didn't seem like it is dying away, but I understand that many of us are almost at the 30 day limit on exchanges and two years is an awful long time to go without an unlocked bootloader.
My first htc phone, after going through LG and blackberry.... which might be exchanged like all of yours....
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I'm in the same boat as you got mine for .01 and it's a nice phone. The only thing I'd like to do is remove some bloat apps, but honestly who cares. Everything I've thrown at it works way better than it did on my EVO 4g on Sprint.
Its not like I have unlimited data with ATT and I pay for 4gig of data.
I'm keeping mine root or no root.

EDIT: I misread an article that I thought had said that HTC promised it unlocked in a month. Either way, you people are so impatient.
EDIT2: If this is for Carrier IQ then I totally agree, but for a phone that doesn't have an unlocked bootloader That's just stupid.
If you guys are seriously going to "occupy AT&T" then you are idiots. A few hundred people won't make that huge of a difference when they have nearly 100 Million customers.
In the end you're only hurting the development community because when it does get unlocked everyone would have left.
That's my $0.02. Good day.
Sent from my HTC Vivid.

8125Omnimax said:
The Carrier IQ situation will allow you to break free of your contract, not happy with AT&T, maybe it wasnt for you, not the first time a subscriber switched carriers. AT&T just got LTE when other carriers had it for longer and unthrottled, what stopped you from leaving then?, I have a bandwidth monitor on my vivid, the HTC IQ AGENT ( Carrier IQ ) doesn't take up gigs of your data plan, matter of fact it takes less than 1/10th of a MB. It is very freaky what this app is capable of and was pretty shocked when I saw the youtube vid. Did you know that uploads are also counted as well!. AT&T will soon realize that 4GB just isnt enough to satisfy customers.
Propose this, you have the ability to break free of your contract pretty soon cause of this whole CIQ debacle, if you want AT&T to keep your business, tell them you want unthrottled unlimited data on your grandfathered plan, they cant do that then just leave without penalty.
Its not HTC's fault AT&T has some weird business practices and contract practices that show up in forums / media from time to time, returning any carriers devices hurts sales and manufacturer reputation. Take the fight where it belongs, tell it to Al Franken..lol
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You raise some really good points. Though I do feel HTC does have some degree of responsibility because it's on their branded product with their name attached to the actual app.

Infinimint said:
Wow... HTC already said they were going to unlock the bootloader for this phone. You people are so impatient.
If you guys are seriously going to "occupy AT&T" then you are idiots. I few hundred people won't make that huge of a difference when they have nearly 100 Million customers.
In the end you're only hurting the development community because when it does get unlocked everyone would have left.
That's my $0.02. Good day.
Sent from my HTC Vivid.
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Can I get a link to where they said they were going to unlock the bootloader?
Sent from my HTC PH39100 using xda premium

The Waiting Room - Off-Topic Chat

While everyone is waiting for their phones, I thought I would start a thread where we could just talk without worrying about going off-topic. If you want to talk about how other phones compare to the Sprint HTC One, rant about rotten fruit and the vegetables that use them, etc, than this is the place.
Just please remember that all of the forum rules still apply here though.

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Hi everybody, I am one of the mods on the team, welcome to the forums. If you post a question thread here in the General forum and notice it is missing, please check the One Q&A forum and you might just find it there.
If you posted a placeholder thread simply to gain thanks for doing nothing, you might have to keep looking...
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So what phones are everyone going to be coming from? I'm happy to say I won't be using my Nexus S 4G anymore. The thing was great for the time, but it's definitely showing its age now. Actually being able to take advantage of Network Vision now is gonna be great as well.

will be coming over from the evo lte.

EVO 3D. It is a solid phone but ready for something new.
Biggest worry with this phone is going to be the camera and how hard will it be to get working on ASOP or CM ROMS. This was the biggest frustration with the 3D. Finally they got the camera working but without 3D which I am fine with.

srb7215 said:
EVO 3D. It is a solid phone but ready for something new.
Biggest worry with this phone is going to be the camera and how hard will it be to get working on ASOP or CM ROMS. This was the biggest frustration with the 3D. Finally they got the camera working but without 3D which I am fine with.
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The camera on the 3D was difficult to get working because of the drivers needed because there were two cameras. If there is only one I think it would have been more straightforward as Sensation never had quite that difficulty.
Hopefully this means devs will not have as much problem with getting the camera to work on Non-Sense based ROMs.

I'll be coming from my good ole GNex. I always try to buy a new phone every year around my birthday. GNex was last year, Evo3D before that, and OG Evo before that.

Coming from EVO 3D. My battery barely lasts 1/2 a day without actually using it. It will literally be at 20% from fully charged within approximately 4-5 hours without using the phone. At all. For anything. It wasn't as bad when it was new, but it was never good to begin with. It also heats up quite a bit which was really nice when it was cold. Now that Spring has arrived, I really don't want hot pants. I know the HTC One's battery ain't great, but it's gotta be better than the EVO 3D. I know I could just get a new battery or look for which one of my 200 apps I've installed causing the drain, but then I saw the HTC One...
Anyone else keep checking their pre-order progress? I click on my Newegg Wireless (Simplicity LLC) confirmation email for my Black 32GB like 4 times a day to check on the status.

raptoro07 said:
The camera on the 3D was difficult to get working because of the drivers needed because there were two cameras. If there is only one I think it would have been more straightforward as Sensation never had quite that difficulty.
Hopefully this means devs will not have as much problem with getting the camera to work on Non-Sense based ROMs.
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Yeah, this is what I am hoping for. When the One first was announced, I was reluctant to go that way because the camera seemed like it might be a hindrance again.
I have heard people say that HTC is going to try and release code quicker which should help as well.

to recoup some cost of buying fullprice >.> i sold my e4gt on glyde for about 170. I'm thinking i underpriced it cuz it sold in a matter of hours

If I can somehow talk myself into buying off contract and pay the full price I'll be coming from the EVO 4G LTE. Still mulling over it; $549 is a lot of dinero.

acme64 said:
to recoup some cost of buying fullprice >.> i sold my e4gt on glyde for about 170. I'm thinking i underpriced it cuz it sold in a matter of hours
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I had a G-NEX for a few months before switching over to my Fiancee's account on Sprint (Figured I would cut down on monthly costs) and at the time the only monetarily valuable phone was the iPhone 5... I've been patiently waiting for something to come out and so I finally sold that and Pre-Ordered yesterday.
Right now I am using my fiancee's EVO Design 4g and I am going crazy with how slow it is. I just installed Evolvr Rom with an older kernel and overclocked it to 2ghz... hopefully that will hold me over until this comes out next week, but my fingers are still crossed for early delivery.

Coming from the EVO 4G LTE :good:

Will be switching from my trusty Samsung Epic 4G! I'm so excited to finally get rid of that darned physical keyboard...

Kinda lusting after either the One or the Galaxy S4. I hear multiple gasps and the sound of torches being lit, let me explain....
My biggest concern isn't so much battery life, screen resolution, storage, etc., but more: when I get to rooting and installing ROMs, whenever something's gone wrong with my trusty ol' OG EVO, there's few things that a battery pull and boot into recovery/reflash/restore couldn't fix. If the One locks up, no removable battery.
Having said that, I'm sure there's a good many people with Nexuses (Nexes? Nexii?) and other non-removable batteries out there who're flashing ROMs and have a way to get out of a bootloop or freeze. All else being equal, I think I'll shoot for the One once it's time to upgrade. HTC's done well for me with my first Android/smartphone, and it sounds like it'll be a great phone.

Joshmccullough said:
Kinda lusting after either the One or the Galaxy S4. I hear multiple gasps and the sound of torches being lit, let me explain....
My biggest concern isn't so much battery life, screen resolution, storage, etc., but more: when I get to rooting and installing ROMs, whenever something's gone wrong with my trusty ol' OG EVO, there's few things that a battery pull and boot into recovery/reflash/restore couldn't fix. If the One locks up, no removable battery.
Having said that, I'm sure there's a good many people with Nexuses (Nexes? Nexii?) and other non-removable batteries out there who're flashing ROMs and have a way to get out of a bootloop or freeze. All else being equal, I think I'll shoot for the One once it's time to upgrade. HTC's done well for me with my first Android/smartphone, and it sounds like it'll be a great phone.
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You don't have to worry about pulling the battery if you no boot or bootloop. There is a hardware key combination that phones with non-removable batteries use to force reset. This is hardwired in not software.

Joshmccullough said:
Kinda lusting after either the One or the Galaxy S4. I hear multiple gasps and the sound of torches being lit, let me explain....
My biggest concern isn't so much battery life, screen resolution, storage, etc., but more: when I get to rooting and installing ROMs, whenever something's gone wrong with my trusty ol' OG EVO, there's few things that a battery pull and boot into recovery/reflash/restore couldn't fix. If the One locks up, no removable battery.
Having said that, I'm sure there's a good many people with Nexuses (Nexes? Nexii?) and other non-removable batteries out there who're flashing ROMs and have a way to get out of a bootloop or freeze. All else being equal, I think I'll shoot for the One once it's time to upgrade. HTC's done well for me with my first Android/smartphone, and it sounds like it'll be a great phone.
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No big deal with the non removable battery. Iirc power and volume up and down simulate a battery pull at least on the Evo lte.
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Joshmccullough said:
Kinda lusting after either the One or the Galaxy S4. I hear multiple gasps and the sound of torches being lit, let me explain....
My biggest concern isn't so much battery life, screen resolution, storage, etc., but more: when I get to rooting and installing ROMs, whenever something's gone wrong with my trusty ol' OG EVO, there's few things that a battery pull and boot into recovery/reflash/restore couldn't fix. If the One locks up, no removable battery.
Having said that, I'm sure there's a good many people with Nexuses (Nexes? Nexii?) and other non-removable batteries out there who're flashing ROMs and have a way to get out of a bootloop or freeze. All else being equal, I think I'll shoot for the One once it's time to upgrade. HTC's done well for me with my first Android/smartphone, and it sounds like it'll be a great phone.
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I had the same worry. Similar experiences with the SD Card. Forget to dealt the right file in the bootloader menu it was very easy just to pull the sd card and delete the file.
But I also think this is where the industry is going and I like the look of the phone too much to go to Samsung. Just can't enjoy TouchWiz. While i tend to have CM or ASOP running, I do enjoy Sense as well. Nice to have options. So I figure it is time to learn a new way of doing things.

So, I checked with Best Buy and, while they won't match the pre-order price at Sprint (full device price, not upgrade price), they will match at release date. With that being said, think Sprint will retain the existing price at least 1 or 2 days after it's released? I'd hate to spend the inflated BB price to lock in the pre-order only to be unable to get that $150 refund.

Query
Getting One tomorrow (can't wait) and i will, of course be rooting it and flashing a customer rom. However I can only find topics the AT &T and Sprint version in the main forum index page. I live in the UK, and please forgive if this is stupid question, but is there a developed for the UK version?

Nexus 5 Love thread

Well... I'm going to try and balance the score sheet here, as it seems to me, only the people who are dis-satisfied take to the internet to tell people how they feel, I thought it needs to be shown that there are many more who are happy with their device, and so I'm going to share my experience so far... Ok, so just a mere 2 full days in to ownership.
Firstly, I mentioned in another thread somewhere, that the absolute best thing about buying a new phone is the wait. The anticipation for it to arrive. That feeling of excitement is the best that being an owner of the device is ever going to be... and to me, that remains true. I for one, loved how this device was "announced" the leaks, the rumours... everything. Pure genius from Google.
So, it arrived first thing yesterday morning. My first thoughts were how nice the device felt, solid build quality, a perfect size, and very understated. Just what I was looking for.
As the day went on, I started to worry about battery life. Coming from a Note 2, which with some custom kernel and rom, I could use it all I liked all day and by the time I was going to bed I was at like 30-40% remaining, it was never a doubt for me that this was going to be an issue.... and compared to that, yes, it is an issue.... I'd like it to last all week, who wouldn't? At around 8-9 hours of ownership, I had a feeling that perhaps I should have bought the LG G2... but more on that later. Id be in heaven if that G2 battery would actually fit in there, but alas, it looks as though I'll be rocking 2300mAh for a while.
With my personal battery life reservations aside, the speed, the smoothness, and silkyness of the phone is amazing. If I picked up something with better battery life, I doubt i'd experience the same joy that this thing gives the user. I repair phones etc as a side hobby, so I see a great many of different devices (including the latest from apple) and this is the first time I can say that an android device can match, even the iphone 5s in smoothness, and that is saying a lot.
Hardware wise, I'm not seeing any negatives as I've seen reported by other users here. My screen is vibrant and clear. It beats all my previous devices, and seems to be as vibrant as anything else otherwise touted as "better"
The camera.... well, I'm no photographer. In this department, I guess I'm what you would call the average user. In phones I've actually owned, my favourite camera has been the galaxy S3. Overall image quality aside, the thing that won me on it was the shutter speed. Zero lag. On that thing, I clicked the screen, and that was the picture I got, no messing. Not so fast with the N5, but image quality wise, I can't fault it... It certainly knocks socks off my wife's galaxy nexus, and it is high quality enough to make me feel that I have no need for an actual camera for all my photoing needs. In fact, this video: http://youtu.be/Qp6clWG-b5c seems to mirror my experience with the camera here... not too shabby by my standards. I'm exceptionally pleased with the low light shots without a flash.... just the typical real life situation I find myself in when I want a photo!!
So... as the end of day 2 draws to a close, my battery life woes seem to be fading... stats like those in the attachments really give me hope... and that is still on the standard kernel and rom, although it is now rooted.
At the end of the day, when I made the choice for my next phone, my last two choices were between the N5, and LG G2... I made my N5 decision without viewing anything official through fear of it selling out. I pulled the trigger on this little sucker as soon as it went live in the play store (No way was I selling out to CPW for a 16gb) At the back of my mind, having the nexus device where I could play with all the dev's work won me over, compared to the only benefit I could see in the G2, the battery, and I'm happy to say that all feelings of doubt over whether I should have bought the G2 have gone. I'm happy with my nexus, and I feel that I will be for a long time to come. In fact, id go as far as to say, that despite the "development scene" being a major factor in my purchasing, the user experience is so good at this point, that I don't even want to flash any ROMs yet... I know the time will come for that, and that will provide me with good longevity for the device, but for now, the pure Google experience has it all... and at a bargain price too

With you, love the device.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

I'm really loving the device as well. Google did a hell of a job with 4.4. Can't wait for more custom roms!

Unlike so many others, I know how to keep my expectations in check. This phone is amazing for the money, nothing even comes close. In fact, even if it cost the same thing as my Xperia ZL ($600) it's still better.

Finally a thread that praises the Nexus 5
I swear all the threads in the last 2 days have been so depressing-- thank you for this man
ps. am also in love with Nexus 5

I think a lot of the negativity is coming from people that have the ability to buy a new phone four times a year so they're really not happy with anything. These people coming from the Moto X baffle me. I guess if you have the money to spend that's your prerogative, but it skews your perception of value. I'm coming from a One X that I bought on launch day and I'm still not eligible for an upgrade so the Nexus will be a nice bump up.
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I also get the feeling that there are a lot more new people who are hear to complain, much more than before. I got mine today and love everything about it. As much as I love my 2012 Nexus 4 & 7, this year's 5 & 7 have been outstanding.
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ComposMentis said:
I think a lot of the negativity is coming from people that have the ability to buy a new phone four times a year so they're really not happy with anything. These people coming from the Moto X baffle me. I guess if you have the money to spend that's your prerogative, but it skews your perception of value. I'm coming from a One X that I bought on launch day and I'm still not eligible for an upgrade so the Nexus will be a nice bump up.
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i bet you 100 dollars that the one x had better viewing angles lol

I upgrade three or four times a year.. But I think this is the greatest phone I've used yet. It helps to resell old devices to offset costs
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I dont know why you guys need 54543 threads to both praise and hate the device. There should not be a "Love" thread because nobody cares if you guys like it or not. People who like it will get it. And for this matter, you can write reviews in amazon or anyother place where people will actually care about what you say.
A nexus 5 review thread could be useful here but hey, I am no mod, just keep "lovin"!
Anyway, smart people usually wait and see the reviews-issues before they buy a device, you wont convince them to anything and the ones who buy the phone immediately usually dont care about opinions.
I am a potential buyer but I am rather interested to buy it much later, thats why I lurk here.

^ Well said.. Who cares if someone else likes it or not.
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I didn't think I was going to be as impressed as I actually am with this device. It is like a work of art. This is totally a flagship device. The build, screen quality and 4.4 what can be better then that. This is probably the first Nexus I would really recommend to someone wanting to try Android or even leave iOS. Usually I would always tell an older person to stick with their iPhone and a not so techy person who wants to go with Android to try an S4 or HTC One. Not this time. This device is the whole package.
Anyway, to much positive talk going on in here....This phone truly sucks.

shadowcore said:
I dont know why you guys need 54543 threads to both praise and hate the device. There should not be a "Love" thread because nobody cares if you guys like it or not. People who like it will get it. And for this matter, you can write reviews in amazon or anyother place where people will actually care about what you say.
A nexus 5 review thread could be useful here but hey, I am no mod, just keep "lovin"!
Anyway, smart people usually wait and see the reviews-issues before they buy a device, you wont convince them to anything and the ones who buy the phone immediately usually dont care about opinions.
I am a potential buyer but I am rather interested to buy it much later, thats why I lurk here.
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Nicely said. Have Nexus 4, loving it. This Friday, Nexus 5, can't wait.

I have to say for all the trash being talked about the camera, I just took some low light pictures and was greatly impressed. Blew my S3 away.
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shadowcore said:
I dont know why you guys need 54543 threads to both praise and hate the device. There should not be a "Love" thread because nobody cares if you guys like it or not. People who like it will get it. And for this matter, you can write reviews in amazon or anyother place where people will actually care about what you say.
A nexus 5 review thread could be useful here but hey, I am no mod, just keep "lovin"!
Anyway, smart people usually wait and see the reviews-issues before they buy a device, you wont convince them to anything and the ones who buy the phone immediately usually dont care about opinions.
I am a potential buyer but I am rather interested to buy it much later, thats why I lurk here.
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Why not practice what you preach and keep your opinions to yourself?

Most definitely will love it specially when I get a custom ROM on it and add that pie control. I also would wish I had that control from the movie click which I could just click to November 8th on Friday already
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i dont get whats not to love about the device. you get top hardware for 300+ dollars. KitKat which is so fluid and a joy to use. i am loving every minute of having this phone. i had the lg g2 awesome phone sucky skin. note 3. awesome phone sucky unstable skin. overprices. wayyyyy over priced.
but yet instead of enjoying the device. they take it out of the box start shaking it. wiggling buttons. tapping on it. swinging there arms. taking it apart and putting paper inside LOL. i put a spigen case on it. with rubber buttons. no rattles no shakes. no nothing. and even if it did. i loveeeeeee this nexus. best yet. enjoy your phones people.

shadowcore said:
I dont know why you guys need 54543 threads to both praise and hate the device. There should not be a "Love" thread because nobody cares if you guys like it or not. People who like it will get it. And for this matter, you can write reviews in amazon or anyother place where people will actually care about what you say.
A nexus 5 review thread could be useful here but hey, I am no mod, just keep "lovin"!
Anyway, smart people usually wait and see the reviews-issues before they buy a device, you wont convince them to anything and the ones who buy the phone immediately usually dont care about opinions.
I am a potential buyer but I am rather interested to buy it much later, thats why I lurk here.
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Nobody cares that you don't care about this thread.
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Nobody cares that you don't care about this thread.
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I never said that. I only said, nobody cares if you love it. People wiho care already know why they care and anyone of you can name those things.
Its like buying a porsche and saying: "I might aswell go in a forum and praise it!". Everybody knows why its good. You know, its also a part of sending a message. Maybe goog and LG should withhold the selling of the devices to "Fix" them, and release a revision. Like the Nexus 4 did with a bumper in the back.
You will get over it eventually....eventually.
But hey, I know the feeling. Having to praise the phone and others agreeing with you and boosting your self esteem. Yep, magical. Except that when you think about it, you kinda lose the charm when you realize that you are doing so because you are unsure if you have made the right decision. So you need some external confirmation.
Hey, if I could buy this phone, I would not complain about wiggly buttons, 1-2 dead pixels and so on, because how amaizing it is. I prefer to wait after Christmas.

Would have been nice if google wasn't that cheap to save on the speaker and wifi antenna.

Conflicted

I've been reading the several threads on this forum, and on the regular Verizon S6 forum, yet still remain on the fence about forking over a large sum of money for this device. Forgive me for my rambling but any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
I've been using smartphones since 2007, starting with my windows mobile XV6800 (htc). Been tinkering with them, and unlocking my phones even before Android devices were available. Touch Pro II, Dinc, Tbolt, GSIII, and now HTC one (m7) Of all these phones, by far, the GSIII was my favorite. It had such great dev support, and root/bootloader unlock was achieved within a few months of it being out. M7 was a bit of a hassle to root, and gain S-off, but still doable. But now, all I am reading is that it is very likely GS6 will never get rooted (at least us poor saps on Verizon). Another caveat: I still have unlimited data, and have been paying full price for my phones since GSIII so don't want to make an impulsive purchase by any means. So my question is this: given the technology that is available now, is there any advantage to unlocking this phone other than flashing cleaner debloated ROMS, or custom kernels? The WiFi tether can be accomplished via FoxFi, and there is a working debloat tool floating around. For some reason, I cannot wrap my head around paying a large sum of money for a device and not being able to modify it to my liking. Considering other phones such as M9, or LGG4, that might be more rootable but I'm just not feeling the coolness factor on those as much as GS6.
What I remember about the GS3 is that root was achieved before the bootloader unlock. It took quite a bit of time but eventually we were able to flash an unencrypted aboot.img to the appropriate partition when it was leaked by an insider, and voila, we were unlocked. I'm assuming that resource is not available to us anymore.
I'd love to hear some opinions on this from other flashaholics that have taken the leap and gone with this locked down device.

morrowa2 said:
I've been reading the several threads on this forum, and on the regular Verizon S6 forum, yet still remain on the fence about forking over a large sum of money for this device. Forgive me for my rambling but any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
I've been using smartphones since 2007, starting with my windows mobile XV6800 (htc). Been tinkering with them, and unlocking my phones even before Android devices were available. Touch Pro II, Dinc, Tbolt, GSIII, and now HTC one (m7) Of all these phones, by far, the GSIII was my favorite. It had such great dev support, and root/bootloader unlock was achieved within a few months of it being out. M7 was a bit of a hassle to root, and gain S-off, but still doable. But now, all I am reading is that it is very likely GS6 will never get rooted (at least us poor saps on Verizon). Another caveat: I still have unlimited data, and have been paying full price for my phones since GSIII so don't want to make an impulsive purchase by any means. So my question is this: given the technology that is available now, is there any advantage to unlocking this phone other than flashing cleaner debloated ROMS, or custom kernels? The WiFi tether can be accomplished via FoxFi, and there is a working debloat tool floating around. For some reason, I cannot wrap my head around paying a large sum of money for a device and not being able to modify it to my liking. Considering other phones such as M9, or LGG4, that might be more rootable but I'm just not feeling the coolness factor on those as much as GS6.
What I remember about the GS3 is that root was achieved before the bootloader unlock. It took quite a bit of time but eventually we were able to flash an unencrypted aboot.img to the appropriate partition when it was leaked by an insider, and voila, we were unlocked. I'm assuming that resource is not available to us anymore.
I'd love to hear some opinions on this from other flashaholics that have taken the leap and gone with this locked down device.
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I have had quite a number of phones (as you can see from my signature lol) and flashed more than you see there. I enjoy toying around and changing to my liking. With that being said, I went and got this device because I loved the edges and the look. I think the themes that Samsung has allowed give you some of that customization ability. Though you can't uninstall apps or alter some things, Idk, there was just something about it I loved.
I don't think we are going to see an unlocked bootloader anytime soon, or a root either, but it's still a great device in my eyes.
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eorsini said:
I have had quite a number of phones (as you can see from my signature lol) and flashed more than you see there. I enjoy toying around and changing to my liking. With that being said, I went and got this device because I loved the edges and the look. I think the themes that Samsung has allowed give you some of that customization ability. Though you can't uninstall apps or alter some things, Idk, there was just something about it I loved.
I don't think we are going to see an unlocked bootloader anytime soon, or a root either, but it's still a great device in my eyes.
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Thanks! That's the direction I'm leaning.

I always say if you are conflicted, then the answer is no. Pretty much always.

JasonJoel said:
I always say if you are conflicted, then the answer is no. Pretty much always.
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Life isn't about being safe and reserved, it's about throwing yourself out there, getting banged up, and then doing it all over again.
I say, if you're conflicted, then go for it... It's always better to have learned from an experience than to say 'what if' or 'I should've'...
Yeah it's cash but so what, the biggest risk here is disappointment; you can always sell the device.
*If you want an example, ask me about the time while on vacation I got stranded in Reno after someone stole the entire contents of my bank account... So with no money, gear, or a plan, I decided to hitchhike to Burning Man with an Irishman, an Mexican and a polyamorous Swiss couple I met at a grocery store. I can assure you good times were had and yes... At the beginning I was most assuredly conflicted.

Could not disagree more. But whatever, I don't really care of he buys an S6 or not. Lol

I'm open to all opinions here. I'm currently on m7 and I abhor the stock software, while the latest aosp ROMs have been incredibly buggy. Just itchy to get a new phone that is actually functional. Thanks for the advice.
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I don't know if this is the best phone I've ever had but it's by fast the best Samsung device I've ever had. Go for it!

I posted earlier but wanted to give an update:
After 2 weeks this is definitely the best Samsung Galaxy I've ever had. It's fast, responsive, and I still oogle the screen and it's curves. I don't even think about rooting or anything because with the themes and Nova Launcher it's a whole new phone. My battery is actually really good too which is just another bonus. I say try it if you are conflicted. Worst case you can return it on the 13th day and you only lose a little money.
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I came from some rooted stuff myself, but aside from a few things that I had on my Galaxy Nexus with Sourcery ROM, the main advantage that root gave me was the tethering. FoxFi solved that on the Edge. If I want to change up the look on my phone, I can throw another launcher on whenever, icon packs, etc, and none of those require root. So I was also sitting on the fence until launch, and then it dawned on me ... what would root REALLY give me, that I can't find a workaround not anyway? Do I want root just for the sake of being able to? Sure there are still some apps you can't take off altogether, but with the 64g version, I'm not going to see a huge chunk of space taken out by them, and with a 3rd party launcher, I can just hide them altogether. That's actually the only main complaint about stock, is that I can't hide them in the stock drawer.
All that said, I'm VERY happy with the phone as it sits. Such an improvement over my G2 (which was still a great phone for me til the day I traded in), that giving up root options (at least for now, even if forever) was a trade-off well worth taking.

Thanks for all the feedback. I broke down and ordered the 128 GB model in black. Trading in my old smartphones will help with the cost. They said I'll receive it on Friday ☺
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morrowa2 said:
Thanks for all the feedback. I broke down and ordered the 128 GB model in black. Trading in my old smartphones will help with the cost. They said I'll receive it on Friday ☺
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Good deal man. Hope you like it as much as I do.
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morrowa2 said:
Thanks for all the feedback. I broke down and ordered the 128 GB model in black. Trading in my old smartphones will help with the cost. They said I'll receive it on Friday ☺
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You made a good choice, as far as I'm concerned. I've been crash flashing a hell of a lot longer than my "joined xda" date would lead you to believe, and while I will ALWAYS miss the days of uninhibited GS3 flashing and I found myself doing it less and less as phones got better.
That being said, I still want root - and will still hold out hope that we'll get it. I imagine we will, but it will be a while and I think it's important for all of us to temper our expectations when it comes to that. Just enjoy this beautiful, unique device and try not to let it get you down.
Not to mention there's still plenty of new(er) devices (tablets, phones, etc) that can and will always be unlockable/rootable ... so you can get your kicks with them while you wait!
Welcome to the GS6E family!

Root is dead

tiny70thomas said:
Root is dead
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Not according to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=60546194
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Is this forum still active?

Been seeking questions and looking for answers and wondering if anyone is even alive on here anymore.

RussianSolja said:
Been seeking questions and looking for answers and wondering if anyone is even alive on here anymore.
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Yes!
This forum is still active!
Please be polite. [emoji4]

I'm quote polite... Just had a question about the nexus 6 to see if it's was worth buying still?

RussianSolja said:
I'm quote polite... Just had a question about the nexus 6 to see if it's was worth buying still?
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at the prices that its available for nowadays, its VERY MUCH worth it. as it still butts heads with the best of ths smartphones
and i think that i remember you, either from the g1 or nexus one..

Until another 6inch AMOLED phone comes along, I'm never giving up my n6.

Eh, I love my Nexus 6 for many reasons, but honestly, I got an lg g flex 2 for a really good deal and switched back to a "carrier phone" and man, as far as processors, night and day difference. Now I haven't really run into the overheat thing that plagues the sd810. But day to day things, even just restating my device is snappier. The only thing I will say, not having access to update whenever I want (at least when google gives us factory images) sucks big time. I forgot how bad it is to wait on carriers/manufacturers

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and i think that i remember you, either from the g1 or nexus one..
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I know I remember him. We both had, or have in my case, the Dell Streak. Just to briefly reminisce, more than a few of us loved that device to the point we swore we'd never go back to anything with a smaller screen. Keep in mind that this is 2010-2011, when the average screen was between 3 and 3-1/2 inches. In 2011 5-inch screens weren't common and unlocked devices sold directly by the manufacturer were unheard of. The Streak had both, but poor marketing and flawed expectations on Dell's part helped kill it.

Take a look at the development pages... It's a Nexus! There's still work on the GNexus
tApPeD fROM mY nExUs 6

All. Rom developers waiting for official N firmware to upgrade their Roms . After that all Roms will be active.